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Shutout
Footballguy
That is the kind of logic I used to see in dynasty leagues by the teams that never amounted to much. Unsurprisingly, the real life Bengals achieve the equivalent to those fake football dynasty teams.
The reality of it is that if you hold Green with that kind of logic then you are saying you truly think the Bengals, given their history, are going to be relevant enough to legitimately challenge for a Super Bowl run in just 2 seasons...with a 32+ WR, needing a new o-line, a new franchise QB, a new front-line defense, and they haven't seen ANYTHING (literally not even a first win) from this coaching staff. Unless AJ Green just wants to get paid at this point and call it a career and isn't interested in football championships, they are doing him in addition to their team and fans a great disservice.
This is like when you're in a ff dynasty and the 2-10 team has that one good player that could help you win it all. You go to him and offer a good, consensus up and coming franchise player, some good draft picks, whatever that is clearly better than this guy trying to run a one man show....but the owner is more interested in holding on to their 30 year "name" guy.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Obviously a future 1st is worth way more to the Bengals than AJ Green but it's moot anyone because there's no one that would offer anything near a 1st round pick for a 31 year old WR that is currently injured and on the last year of his deal.
This is the NFL. Even forgetting that he's 31 years old NFL teams are notorious for never being willing to give anything up for a guy they have even small injury concern over, much less one who could walk in FA before they ever even get healthy enought to play for them.
This is the NFL. Even forgetting that he's 31 years old NFL teams are notorious for never being willing to give anything up for a guy they have even small injury concern over, much less one who could walk in FA before they ever even get healthy enought to play for them.
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Footballguy
Which tells you SO much. I used to live in the area so I'm not just busting on other people's teams. I lived it and understand-The Bengals are notoriously CHEAP. They have no true commitment to winning and players know it. They only want to turn a profit. It really shouldn't be allowed but that's another story.
Players that are FAs aren't going to sign with the Bengals because they know they can't get the best money, especially if they are setting themselves up for that NEXT payday because the Bengals don't do business that way. They also know they are very unlikely to be on a good team with a good couple of years run. They see what we all see when they look at "franchise" QBs like Dalton that are kept far too long and sticking with players they shouldn't because of the salary instead of performance. They also know Mike Brown is exactly the type of owner who will slap a franchise tag on a player and use him up and kill his peak years vs. just flat out making that player the face of the franchise.
Even AJ Green, who they MIGHT pay just as a token sign of good will (and he would truly be the exception), is not a face of the franchise like other players are on their teams.
I have often kind of thought go AJ and Julio Jones as the same guy, due to their talent and when they came into the league, the markets of their teams, etc. I will fall off a chair and break my head open if AJ Green sniffs anywhere near the type of deal Julio did.
-OZ-
Footballguy
So, TJ Watt? Ryan Ramzcyk? Dalvin Cook, Curtis Samuel, Buda Baker? Maybe half of the next dozen players from 2017 are worth more, with their contracts, than Green with his.
Shutout
Footballguy
Yeah, kind of funny. Interesting in all this is how they kind of outlined (well done, actually) how Trent Williams effectively single-handedly derailed their entire season. In reality, it tells us just how bad this Redskins team truly is.
cheese
Footballguy
Definitely a better list than I was expecting, but The “with their contracts” caveat is only relevant to the extent the salary cap is relevant which it absolutely is not in relation to the Bengals.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
TJ Watt... I can't fit enough greater than signs on the screen even without factoring in contract
Using your philosophy, the Bengals will be terrible forever. They need to change their culture to that of a winning one instead of a perpetual dumpster fire if they want to attract FAs.
FAs are going to follow the money almost always unless the organization is a complete and total mess, so it shouldn't be THAT hard to get up off the mat in terms of attracting FAs with barely passable ownership and management...
It wont happen ever if they keep operating the way they do, and players shouldn't want to go there right now.
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cheese
Footballguy
For sure on Watt lol.TJ Watt... I can't fit enough greater than signs on the screen even without factoring in contract
Using your philosophy, the Bengals will be terrible forever. They need to change their culture to that of a winning one instead of a perpetual dumpster fire if they want to attract FAs.
FAs are going to follow the money almost always unless the organization is a complete and total mess, so it shouldn't be THAT hard to get up off the mat in terms of attracting FAs with barely passable ownership and management...
It wont happen ever if they keep operating the way they do, and players shouldn't want to go there right now.
Trust me, nobody wants this organization to somehow get passable ownership and management more than me. Players haven’t wanted to go there (and outside FAs don’t) in decades. A decision on AJG won’t sway that in either direction.
If anything, I think keeping AJ is exactly a step towards trying to show a culture of competing and trying rather than a perpetual dumpster fire.
In any case, I realize I’m on an island on this board and that’s fine. I wont keep boring everyone with the same opinion over and over.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Not at all in terms of the boring. I appreciate your perspective and enjoyed the discussions.
Bucs Turn Down Offers for OJ Howard
Jealously guarding toys that you really don't want to play with is understandable. When you're a 4-year-old.
Jealously guarding toys that you really don't want to play with is understandable. When you're a 4-year-old.
Doug B
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Dude's name is now mud on Saintsreport. Though Adam Schefter did tweet that the Saints put the full court press on the Bengals, but they weren't biting.
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
Oh yeah, I agree. The fact that other teams were interested means they have a valuable player under an inexpensive contract. We also don’t know what offers they were getting. Still frustrating; it costs them little to keep him and not use him as a receiver. Part of the article I cited uses DeSean Jackson as an example of the GM’s approach. They refused his trade requests at the deadline last year and then got almost nothing for him in the Philly trade. So it’s also a sign of a weak/uncoordinated front office perhaps.-OZ- said:
Don Hutson
Footballguy
OJ Howard is due $1.9 million next year and the Bucs have a 5th year option for 2021. His low salary is nice for a team with serious salary cap issues. So there is no hurry to deal him no matter much they don't want him. I'm sure if they had been offered a first round pick that they would have dealt him. If they have to accept a 3rd round pick for him, they can do that in a year or two.
And Arians might not dislike him as much as people are assuming. Just because Arians doesn't throw to him much doesn't mean that defenses don't need to respect his receiving skills. They can keep him in to block as long as the defense pays attention to him and then have him run a route if the defense starts sleeping on him. Not all things that impact the defense show up in the stats.
And Arians might not dislike him as much as people are assuming. Just because Arians doesn't throw to him much doesn't mean that defenses don't need to respect his receiving skills. They can keep him in to block as long as the defense pays attention to him and then have him run a route if the defense starts sleeping on him. Not all things that impact the defense show up in the stats.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Right. OJ wasn't a big time target in Alabama either, just a great blocker why helped the team win.
I haven't watched TB games other than against Tennessee, so I'm just assuming here, but he might be a very valuable piece of the offense. Just not as a receiver.
wlwiles
Footballguy
Lets say I have a truck that is both good in the mud, and can go fast. My neighbor wants my truck and is willing to pay me $10,000 for it. If I'm dead set on only using it in the mud and never going to use its speed, then I'm an idiot if I don't take his money, buy a $5,000 mud-only truck, and pocket the other $5,000.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
At the deadline maybe, but as a group Ramsey, Peters, Williams, Drake, Sanders, Sanu are either interesting players or players going into interesting positions. They were all trades made within a week or two of the deadline.Warhogs said:
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