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NFLPA Reviews Eagles handling opf kolb/bradley (1 Viewer)

Eagles' Medical Staff Under ReviewEagles' training staff and doctors under review following concussions suffered by Kevin Kolb and Stewart BradleyTags: NFL, Philadelphia Eagles, Kevin Kolb, Stewart BradleyLearn More » Report a bug » Feedback »After an initial review, the NFL Players Association medical director said Monday that the Philadelphia Eagles' training staff and doctors followed the proper injury procedures in the cases of quarterback Kevin Kolb and linebacker Stewart Bradley, but the union is still gathering more information and the team "has not yet been cleared," according to George Atallah, assistant executive director of external affairs of the NFLPA.NFC East blogESPN.com's Matt Mosley writes about all things NFC East in his division blog.• Blog network: NFL NationKolb and Bradley both suffered concussions Sunday against the Green Bay Packers. Kolb was hurt in the second quarter when he was driven into the ground from behind by Packers linebacker Clay Matthews. Kolb, who fumbled the ball out of bounds, looked pained as he rolled over and rested his face on the ground. Later in the second quarter, Bradley was hurt when his head slammed into teammate Ernie Sims while they both tried to tackle Greg Jennings. Bradley struggled with his balance and collapsed. Both Kolb and Bradley returned to play with a head injury later in second quarter before being removed for good at halftime.Under the return to play guidelines adopted by the NFL in December 2009: "A player who suffers a concussion should not return to play or practice on the same day if any of the following symptoms or signs is identified based on the initial medical evaluation of the player ... including confusion as evidenced by disorientation to person, time or place."Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid was asked specifically about Bradley being allowed to return to the game after exhibiting those signs and says the team's medical staff did look at the linebacker."I will tell you that when he came off the field and went through the protocol and the testing there, that he was clear-minded and able to pass through," Reid said."We are still gathering more information" about the return of both players in the second quarter, Atallah said.Dr. Thomas Mayer, the union's medical director who spearheaded the implementation of new guidelines for head trauma, does not believe the Eagles were negligent when they allowed both Kolb and Bradley to briefly return to game action after it appeared both had suffered concussions.Mayer said he was watching the Eagles-Packers game when he observed the injuries to Kolb and Bradley. When he saw that both players had returned to the game, he called Dr. Elliot Pellman, a medical adviser whose duties include gathering information for the NFL's Brain, Head and Neck Medical Committee."I wanted to make sure we knew exactly what happened there," said Mayer. "The review so far shows they did follow the guidelines. Now, there's a matter of trust with the medical people on site. They know the guidelines. If the players' symptoms return to normal initially, they are allowed to return to the game if neither player has lost consciousness."The cases of Kolb and Bradley are different since Bradley may have shown evidence of disorientation on the field, Atallah said.Bradley's case was more complex than Kolb's because the Eagles' medical personnel never saw his injury because they were treating Kolb at the time, Mayer said.Mayer spoke with Eagles athletic trainer Rick Burkholder to review the team's treatment of Kolb and Bradley.Medical Guidelines For Head TraumaThe current medical guidelines established for head trauma are as follows:• Loss of consciousness, as determined by the team medical staff.• Confusion, as evidenced by disorientation to person, time or place; inability to respond appropriately to questions; or inability to remember assignments or plays. If a player experiences acute confusion, it may not be possible to conduct other aspects of the exam at that time.• Amnesia, as evidenced by a gap in memory for events occurring just prior to the injury (as determined by questioning by the medical staff); inability to learn and retain new information (such as three words); or a gap in memory for events that occurred after the injury (again, based on questioning by the medical staff).• Abnormal neurological examination (i.e., abnormal pupillary response; persistent dizziness or vertigo; abnormal balance on sideline testing (e.g., Romberg test)).• New and persistent headache, particularly if accompanied by photosensitivity, nausea, vomiting, or dizziness.• Any other persistent signs or symptoms of concussion.Asked what prompted the Eagles to reverse their decision by sitting out both players in the second half, Mayer said he was told the players regressed upon a second exam."I was told that [Kolb] had interval symptoms but returned to normal until halftime," Mayer said. "Kevin later showed some confusion when they talked about plays and [pass] coverages. They shut down Bradley, too, but the problem on him is that the medical people were all working on Kolb and never saw Bradley's injury; they never saw him stumbling and wobbling off the field. He returned to the field on his own -- they got him out once they realized what had happened and did the exam. Based on the information I have, it appears the appropriate guidelines were followed and subsequent actions were taken."Mayer said he and the league will continue to review the matter."Until we have had a chance to review all of the data, it is premature to say the care was appropriate," Mayer said.Reid said that the team has done a complete re-evaluation of the team's response to both players' injuries and insisted that the team trainer and doctors followed the new guidelines."I don't want to do anything that puts these guys at risk," said Reid. "That's not what we're here to do."Reid would not allow Burkholder to speak to reporters on Monday, saying: "I gave you everything that needed to be done."He staunchly supported Burkholder and the medical staff for the way they addressed the injuries."They go to the extreme to make sure that they follow the medical protocol that's set for everything and it's no different for this situation."Kolb and Bradley have begun a five-day evaluation process and will not practice until at least Friday, Reid said.Dr. Hunt Batjer, co-chairman of the NFL's Brain, Head and Neck Medical Committee, doesn't see four concussions sustained by players in the first weekend of the regular season as a trend. But Batjer says the rate of concussions is something the league and its medical staff will closely monitor throughout the season."One weekend doesn't make a trend," Batjer said. "It's certainly a number that caught everyone's eye."If this pace continues, it's either better reporting of the symptoms, or it is something else systemic. We must keep a close eye on this and we will."In addition to Kolb and Bradley, Panthers quarterback Matt Moore and Giants tight end Kevin Boss sustained concussions in their game, won by New York.Batjer says the injuries were properly treated in Philadelphia and East Rutherford, N.J., according to the guidelines set by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL Players Association."We are all comfortable with the fact the players received appropriate treatment," he said.Batjer believes players are so cognizant of the symptoms of concussions that they no longer try to hide such injuries."I think we are looking at a culture change that the players are aware and all the people on the field are aware and are taking them out of games," Batjer said.The follow-up on the latest NFL concussions came as researchers at Boston University said they have found early signs of a disease caused by hard hits in the brain of a University of Pennsylvania football player who killed himself in April. The New York Times reported that a brain autopsy on Owen Thomas showed he had chronic traumatic encephalopathy, an affliction primarily connected to NFL players who suffer depression and impulse control issues.Dr. Adam Shunk, a neuropsychologist at St. Vincent Sports Performance Center in Indianapolis, treats athletes who have had effects from head injuries. He believes the pressure on athletes to be in the lineup impacts their decisions."Some are very responsible with their own health and others are going back to play because it determines their salaries and bonuses," he said. "But athletes generally are aware now that they have to think about whether they should return to play or not."And the game they return to, Shunk says, is getting more dangerous."I think the game is unsafer," he said. "Just look at the physicalness of football now. Athletes are bigger and stronger and faster, and mass media has the effect of glamorizing big hits and it increases risks of concussions."Chris Mortensen is ESPN's senior NFL analyst. Sal Paolantonio is an NFL reporter for ESPN. Information from The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
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imo it should be a criminal offense to have put Bradley back in that game after the way he went down. I was stunned when i heard he was put back in the game after seeing the replay of the play he was hurt. He stumbled like he was stiff drunk before falling on his face.

btw..what does Matthews have to do with this?

 
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Yes I'm being trivial, but your thread title says Mathews when it should be Bradley.

 
Someone should lose a job for allowing Bradley to return. One of the worst things I've ever witnessed during a football game. Idiots, just complete and utter idiots on that sideline, and there is no valid excuse.

 
Bradley's return after concussion was failure to communicate

POSTED: September 14, 2010

Bradley's return after concussion was failure to communicate

By PAUL DOMOWITCH

Philadelphia Daily News

pdomo@aol.com

When Troy Aikman watched Eagles linebacker Stewart Bradley stagger and fall trying to get up following his concussioncausing collision with teammate Ernie Sims in the second quarter of Sunday's 27-20 loss to the Packers, the Fox analyst said what millions of viewers watching at home were thinking.

"I have to tell you, Joe," he said to his booth partner Joe Buck, "it's hard to imagine him coming back into this game in light of what we just saw. With all the attention being given head injuries, it's hard to imagine he'll be put back in."

But four plays later, there was Bradley, jogging back into the huddle.

A big reason the Eagles' medical and training staffs allowed Bradley to return to the game was because they didn't see what you and I saw. According to NFL Players Association medical director Thom Mayer, no one who treated Bradley on the sideline saw his drunken sailor routine after he collided with Sims.

"Apparently, the Eagles' trainers and team physicians didn't see Stewart's hit, and I'm not sure it was communicated clearly to them that he had struggled to get up and had fallen back down; that probably should've been communicated to them," Mayer said.

Mayer pointed out that the Eagles properly followed the return-to-play concussion guidelines developed by the league, the union and outside medical experts. But he said that if they had seen the whole episode with Bradley after he got hurt, it might've influenced their decision to let him go back into the game.

"It certainly raised my suspicion that he wouldn't be going back in the game," said Mayer, who was watching the game on TV when Bradley got hurt. "But from what we've heard from the trainers and the team physicians is that the [sideline] exam was normal."

Mayer said that the reason the trainers and doctors didn't see Bradley's injury or the aftermath of it was because they were tending to quarterback Kevin Kolb, who also had suffered a concussion six plays earlier when he was sacked by Packers linebacker Clay Matthews.

At his news conference yesterday, head coach Andy Reid admitted he didn't see Bradley stumble and fall to the ground until later when he saw a replay of it.

"I didn't see the whole event live there," he said.

Reid said the reason Bradley was later removed from the game was because "he was showing signs of symptoms [of a concussion] when he came back off, the second time [trainer] Rick [burkholder] evaluated him."

Reid wouldn't say what those symptoms were, but Mayer said the linebacker had amnesia.

"It turns out that he later had amnesia for the event," he said. "So that's part of the reason he was pulled from the game."

Amnesia is one of the concussion symptoms listed by the league for prohibiting a player from returning to a game.

Reid said both Bradley and Kolb were examined and tested by the team's training and medical staffs before returning to the game, and were tested again when they returned to the sideline.

"We didn't just stick them out there without having followed the [league] protocol," Reid said. "We also made sure we stayed on top of it when they came back off the field and made the decision [to remove them] when the symptoms were there."

Bradley initially sat out just three plays before briefly returning to the game. When he was checked again by Burkholder the next time he came back to the sideline, the amnesia was discovered.

"There's two pieces here," Mayer said. "One, were the guidelines followed? In general, they were. But the fact that they didn't know or have a description of what happened [with Bradley] probably needs to be looked at more carefully.

"Two, do the guidelines need to be changed to include things like this, so that if you don't happen to see it? . . . We need to make sure the people treating the player have a clear description of what happened when they're evaluating the player. So that may need to be strengthened over time."

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they should have lost their jobs if they saw what happened to Bradley, but the medical staff did not since they were treating Kolb. It's almost like you guys don't even read the articles, just straight for pointing fingers and bashing.

Pretty cut and dry case. It's up to the medical staff to make the determination for entering the game. They were treating Kolb when Bradley fell over. No way for them to know exactly what happened. Sounds like someone from medical needs to be monitoring the field and the whole staff should not have been treating Kolb. At least that's the solution that I see here...

 
they should have lost their jobs if they saw what happened to Bradley, but the medical staff did not since they were treating Kolb. It's almost like you guys don't even read the articles, just straight for pointing fingers and bashing.Pretty cut and dry case. It's up to the medical staff to make the determination for entering the game. They were treating Kolb when Bradley fell over. No way for them to know exactly what happened. Sounds like someone from medical needs to be monitoring the field and the whole staff should not have been treating Kolb. At least that's the solution that I see here...
It seems the best witnesses of symptoms are the players on the field. When Bradley fell over, Jennings and a couple of his teammates saw him stumbling. They should have let the staff know.
 

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