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Billy Bats said:
Can a Pens fan explain the Lovejoy/Depres swap? Still don't understand that one.
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Still scratching my head, especially considering the Pens traded Lovejoy for a 5th round pick and kept Bortuzzo.

The only thing I can think of re: Depres: his inconsistent play. He's been up and down the defensive pairings all season, which is kinda expected with a younger player, but maybe not a 23 yo...it's been waiting for something to materialize. I have seen Depres (too many times) not make a play that leads to a rush on goal (like last night). Maybe Rutherford and Co thought Lovejoy was more consistent.

I hate the trade. Other evidence suggests the same:

Dave Molinari @MolinariPG · 3 hours ago
Pittsburgh's Twitter reaction to Lovejoy-Despres deal seems evenly split. Some fans absolutely hate it. Others like it even less than that.
 
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AcerFC said:
I was just reading the media guide. Yandle is a -32. Hope that was bc he was on the yotes
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I think that's why he was left off the US Olympic roster. not that great in his own end. That number looks a lot worse than it would on most other teams though.

 
From Murray,

"The one comment I’d like to make, and I feel like I have to do this, is the way Ben Lovejoy found out he was traded is wrong…to go off the ice and see it all on Twitter. He knew before the call was even done. That’s wrong in our business today. It’s amazing to me. We’ve done deals in the last week with Montreal, Florida and Columbus today ahead of that deal, and no one ever knew a thing. That’s the way it’s supposed to happen. A player is supposed to find out he’s traded through the general manager because I owe it to the player to make that phone call. I wasn’t afforded that today. I’m very [upset] that Ben had to find out the way he did. He was a good soldier for us, and that wasn’t fair."

 
GM Jim R said in a conference call that Lovejoy wasn't on the market when he inquired earlier this season but things changed and be became available.

Despres has been inconsistent all season. He's young enough to change that but this is the second GM/coach who hasn't liked what they saw. Guy was always in Byslma's doghouse. He did pick up his physicality this season and now the Pens have traded their two most physical defenseman.

My thoughts on the trade is that GMJR liked Lovejoy over Despres for this playoff run and wasn't really looking toward the future. Pens have some great Dmen in the pipeline but it'd be nice if they got a little more for a former first rd pick.

How many new Dmen did the Ducks trade for?

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Bill Brasky said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 41s42 seconds ago

AHL deal coming too: Jared Knight (Boston prospect) for Zack Phillips (Minnesota prospect).
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His development never really got on track, has struggled mightily. One of not many whiffs by Fletcher.
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Russo said Phillips asked to be moved. Was going nowhere there, so maybe he'll turn things around with a change of scenery.
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I had forgotten about Phillips. Like John Carlson, he originally was headed to UMass before jumping to the Q. Will be interesting to see if he ever makes it with the B's.

 
RUSF18 said:
Getzlaf15 said:
RUSF18 said:
Very strong defensive effort by the Rangers tonight.
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Yandle was only minus on team...
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Ha he had the misfortune of being the only one back after a defensive zone turnover which led to a 2 on 1 in real close (and a beautiful play by Beck).He was very solid.
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The Rangers' forcheck was specatacular last night. I thought Yandle was good on the power play but overall wasn't overly impressed (but ican't judge on one game - especially the first with a new team).

Here is an article on the Yandle trade. One thing eveyone agrees on is that the Rangers gave up a lot to get him:

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/25089001/nhl-trade-deadline-winners-and-losers-rangers-go-all-in-and-thats-ok

The New York Rangers did not make a single trade on Monday ahead of the NHL trade deadline, mainly because they did all of their work on Sunday when they made three separate trades and re-signed one of their best players -- Mats Zuccarello -- to a new contract extension.

It was a bold in-season makeover for a team that was already one of the best in the NHL, and it has certainly raised a lot of eyebrows around the league, not only because of what it means in the immediate future, but what it might also mean several years down the line.

Whenever a team makes a significant trade at the deadline that forces them to give up prospects or draft picks there is always a concern that team has "mortgaged its future" in a desperate attempt to win right now. More often than not, teams do no such thing. Not every prospect pans out the way you expect. Most draft picks after the first ten picks (picks that are never traded at the deadline, for what it's worth) never see the NHL or become consistent regulars. This mindset is usually the result of fans -- and media, and even sometimes the teams themselves -- overvaluing their team's prospects and believing they will all develop as planned under the best-case scenario and never wanting to have the regret of trading a player or draft pick that later turned into a star.

Sometimes that does happen. But those mistakes are rare. They are the exception.

This long-term fear is kind of what the Rangers are hearing about after the changes they made at the 2015 NHL trade deadline......

 
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kentric said:
RUSF18 said:
Getzlaf15 said:
RUSF18 said:
Very strong defensive effort by the Rangers tonight.
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Yandle was only minus on team...
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Ha he had the misfortune of being the only one back after a defensive zone turnover which led to a 2 on 1 in real close (and a beautiful play by Beck).He was very solid.
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The Rangers' forcheck was specatacular last night. I thought Yandle was good on the power play but overall wasn't overly impressed (but ican't judge on one game - especially the first with a new team).

Here is an article on the Yandle trade. One thing eveyone agrees on is that the Rangers gave up a lot to get him:

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/25089001/nhl-trade-deadline-winners-and-losers-rangers-go-all-in-and-thats-ok

The New York Rangers did not make a single trade on Monday ahead of the NHL trade deadline, mainly because they did all of their work on Sunday when they made three separate trades and re-signed one of their best players -- Mats Zuccarello -- to a new contract extension.

It was a bold in-season makeover for a team that was already one of the best in the NHL, and it has certainly raised a lot of eyebrows around the league, not only because of what it means in the immediate future, but what it might also mean several years down the line.

Whenever a team makes a significant trade at the deadline that forces them to give up prospects or draft picks there is always a concern that team has "mortgaged its future" in a desperate attempt to win right now. More often than not, teams do no such thing. Not every prospect pans out the way you expect. Most draft picks after the first ten picks (picks that are never traded at the deadline, for what it's worth) never see the NHL or become consistent regulars. This mindset is usually the result of fans -- and media, and even sometimes the teams themselves -- overvaluing their team's prospects and believing they will all develop as planned under the best-case scenario and never wanting to have the regret of trading a player or draft pick that later turned into a star.

Sometimes that does happen. But those mistakes are rare. They are the exception.

This long-term fear is kind of what the Rangers are hearing about after the changes they made at the 2015 NHL trade deadline......
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I wasn't happy with the haul the Rangers gave up for Yandle initially. It's still obviously way too early to tell, but a deep playoff run with Yandle being a contributing factor will erase those doubts quickly. I get the valuation for Duclair, but at the end of the day, the Rangers are pretty deep at wing, both at the NHL level as well as in the pipeline. The emergence of Miller and Hayes made Duclair expendable as the Rangers would have no place to put him in the immediate future other than trapped on the 4th line getting 6-10 min a night. Furthermore - the list of highly regarded prospects the Rangers have dumped the last few seasons has yet to come back to bite them significantly. Just off the top of my head, guys like Al Montoya, Michael Del Zotto and Bobby Sanguinetti, all former first rounders, have yet to make any significant impact at the NHL level. The key is getting something in return for those assets to proves to be useful long term.

People get very hung up over trading first rounders - but as your article suggested, late (assumedly) 1st round picks are by no means a sure thing to materialize into much of anything. The way the Rangers have drafted and developed mid-late round picks in the last 5+ years, coupled with Sather's acquisition of young talent that has flourished here in NY leaves me feeling moderatey confident about the future - especially considering the core of the team is rather young and locked up for the next several years.

There is a small "win now" window that the Rangers are in, so I don't fault Sather at all for going for it with a move like this. In the past, this roster would be built with overpaid, underachieving, aging stars. Presently, this team is comprised predominantly of players either draft by, or developed in large part by this organization, and it is only now that Sather looks to fill in the missing pieces with a big trade/FA acquisition - a much better way of doing things, and one of the reasons they have as good of a chance as anyone at winning the Cup right now.

 
Agree with everything but your last paragraph is definitely spot on. Guys like Kreider and Stepan would have gotten dealt in another regime, for players that they'd be outperforming by now and would be coming at a much higher price (even a year ago, there was some talk about moving Stepan and significant assets for Kesler - you kidding me?). You wait to sell off your top prospect when the return is what could potentially put you over the top, not when it gets you from the bottom of the conference playoff picture to middle of the pack. And bonus points when the return is not just a better player, but it fills in what was a big gaping hole on this team.

You also have Yandle at a great price next year, so as much as this is about "win now", this team could and should be a potential favorite again.

 
Anyone else read Boy on Ice, about Derek Boogaard? What a tough read. You always hear "it's a business," but you really see it in that book.

 
Sabres are going to be on national tv tonight?

:lmao:

morning skate lines:

Moulson-Grigorenko/Varone-Ennis

Foligno-Larsson-Gionta

Deslauriers-Schaller-Hodgson

D'Amigo-Ellis-Dalpe

with Lindback in goal.

 
So the Flyers score a goal. They go to the booth to talk to Toronto. Then the ref announces "the goal is not reviewable, the Flyers player crashed into the goalie. No goal." How is a non reviewable goal overturned after being called a goal of its not reviewable. The NHL.

 
Billy Bats said:
So the Flyers score a goal. They go to the booth to talk to Toronto. Then the ref announces "the goal is not reviewable, the Flyers player crashed into the goalie. No goal." How is a non reviewable goal overturned after being called a goal of its not reviewable. The NHL.
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Tim Peel.

 
chet said:
How would the goalie coach be eligible to play?
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They can sign someone not on a contract with anyone else, as long as they can get there in a "reasonable amount of time".

If it was in Toronto there would be dozens of options, but not so much in Florida.

 
Montoya possibly coming back out!!! Reading Gallant's lips, just told Montoya "I don't want you to #### it up" (meaning the injury).

 
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