Nice work by NBC on Steve Foley from the San Diego Chargers (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

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I can't believe I am going to say good job by Andrea Kramer but this piece is well written and sure beats the heck out of her sidleine reporting. She actually asked Rivers after the game how he went from -2 yds in the 1st quarter to whateer the yds passing was he ended up with. Rivers without missing a beat SHOULD HAVE said..."I just showed you, what do you mean?"

Sounds like Foley has a really strong case against the city of Coronado.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

For those too lazy to hit the link button.

Foley still unable to walk after being shot by police

Posted: Oct.10, 2006, 12:06 am EDT

By Andrea Kremer

NBCSports.com

San Diego Chargers starting linebacker Steve Foley, shot by an off-duty policeman Sept. 3, has undergone multiple surgeries since the controversial incident and cannot walk.

The 31-year-old was released from the hospital on Sept. 27 after at least five surgical procedures. One of the bullets severed the main artery in his left leg and doctors had to graft a vein from his right leg to make sure the blood was flowing properly. (He also sustained a wound on his hand, which may be a grazing shot, but that is still unclear).

The 6-4 Foley is not suffering paralysis. He is being kept off his feet so he can heal and recover from extensive trauma. He performs rehab three times a week with a physical therapist at his home, getting manipulation to his leg to try to regain range of motion. He must use a walker to stand up during rehab. He has lost 20 pounds from his 265-pound frame.

Foley says he is "feeling fine" albeit in a lot of pain 24 hours a day.

How does he occupy his time? Watching every second of football he can. He says football is the best therapy and remains focused on playing again for the Chargers. Doctors are hopeful this will happen but it is too early to tell if he'll be able to do so. He is out for the season and has not been charged with any crime. His future, however, is highly uncertain.

Steve Foley was entering his third season with the Chargers when he was wounded by police.What is certain is that Foley was shot three times in the left leg by an off-duty Coronado, Calif., police officer, Aaron Mansker, who was out of uniform and driving a civilian car. Mansker tried to pull Foley over on the suspicion of drunken driving, near the players' home.

According to police reports, at 3:30 a.m. Foley was driving erratically when Mansker began to follow him. After Mansker reportedly observed the vehicle weaving and its speed ranging from 30 mph to 90 mph, he ordered Foley to pull over at a red light, but Foley drove away in his restored 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. For nearly 30 miles, Mansker followed behind in his black Mazda, ordering Foley's car to pull over to no avail. Mansker called the California Highway Patrol, but was told no units were in the area.

Finally, when Foley reached his home, he emerged from the car and was confronted by Mansker.

According to a taped interview with investigators obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mansker said Foley, "kept coming toward me," and that he identified himself as a police officer and told Foley to stop before drawing his gun and firing a warning shot. But Foley kept nearing, and reached into his waistband.

"I thought for sure he's going to pull his gun and I'm gone," Mansker told investigators. He fired his gun several times and hit Foley three times, twice in the lower left leg and once in the thigh.

But Lisa Maree Gaut, who was Foley's passenger, offered a different account. She told investigators that she never heard Mansker identify himself as a police officer, and said she and Foley were under the belief that Foley was being followed because he is a professional athlete.

Gaut, too, has been charged with drunken driving and assault. Prosecutors say she got behind the wheel of Foley's car and tried to run Mansker down after the shooting. She is out on bail and faces up to five years in prison if convicted of all charges. Mansker is on administrative leave from the Coronado Police Department, pending the results of an investigation into the shooting. Foley is out for the season and to date, has not been charged with any crime. However, his blood alcohol level has been reported at .233, almost three times the .08 legal limit for driving in the state of California.

Foley's agent, attorney David Levine, noted that none of the player's wounds are frontal -- they are all on the side or back of his leg. Levine believes this means that Foley may not have been shot walking toward the officer, as has been alleged.

The Chargers placed Foley on the non-football injury list, which means he is allowed to be with the team (as opposed to a suspended player who is not) if he is healthy enough to be there. Foley has three years remaining on his contract and was scheduled to make $1.6 million in salary this year, including $875,000 that was paid in March as a roster bonus.

The team has until Oct. 17 or 18 to file a grievance seeking full return of that money. Levine believes that would be punitive but General Manager A.J. Smith said the team "has full right to go after it.

"A player is responsible to take care of his own personal business," said Smith, who said he was "disappointed" when he got the news of Foley's shooting.

Foley has not been receiving game checks and Smith said they have not yet decided if the player will be paid for this season. "Typically, for any practice or game, you're paid," said Smith. "Anything off the field, you're not paid."

Do the Chargers want Foley back? If actions speak louder than words, Foley had many visitors in the hospital including team President Dean Spanos and Smith.

"First we have to see if he's healthy," said Smith. "All players are evaluated at the end of the season with respect to on and off the field issues."

Spanos added, "Right now, the guy is in a wheelchair and we don't even know how he'll recover. And there are so many unresolved issues with this matter."

One unresolved issue is whether Foley would bring a civil action against the officer who shot him and the city of Coronado, which is responsible for the actions of its officer and has "deep pockets." One Charger front office executive said, "From what we hear, Foley could end up owning the city of Coronado."

And then there is the overall well-being of the player to consider. Foley was in the NFL drug program in 1999 when he was with the Cincinnati Bengals, for alcohol issues. He is said to not be in the substance abuse program for steroids, although the notion that this incident is some form of "roid rage" has been circulated by the prosecution. Agent Levine feels that is something the police threw out there as part of a smear campaign against his client. Meanwhile, all of Foley's rehab at the moment is physical -- he is not getting any treatment for a possible alcohol problem.

Meanwhile, in the beginning of September, the team reportedly brought in a member of the San Diego Sheriff's Department to speak to the players about the incident involving Foley.

Some teammates envision a scenario where Foley thought he was being carjacked and have defended his decision to not pull over for the officer. There is also the underlying question as to what role race may have played; would there have been more outrage than condemnation if the player who was shot was white, not black?

So amid the euphoria of a 3-1 start for the Chargers, it would seem easy to forget about Foley. His teammates haven't.

"You can replace him on the field," fellow linebacker Shawne Merriman said. "But he's such a great guy in the locker room. We really miss his presence and what he meant as a friend and teammate. It's just shocking what happened."

So while the Charger defense continues to dominate, Steve Foley sits home healing. Improvement is the goal for all, but a long season remains ahead for both.

Andrea Kremer is a reporter for NBC Sports. She can be reached at kremer@nbcuni.com

I bolded the part I found interesting. MT and crew always defend the Chargers but I knew when they took back the money for this season that they sort of were assuming Foley was guilty...they didn't wait long at all...and this is a case in my mind i would want to hear the facts before I docked my player any gamechecks...if I owned the team I would not have handled it the same way. Not bashing the Chargers, promise.

When Foley is done with the City of Coronado he can go buy the San Diego Chargers.

 

[Mister CIA]

I got no sympathy at all last time I regsitered .233 bac and got shot three times by a police officer.

 

[Gr00vus]

I bolded the part I found interesting. MT and crew always defend the Chargers but I knew when they took back the money for this season that they sort of were assuming Foley was guilty...they didn't wait long at all...and this is a case in my mind i would want to hear the facts before I docked my player any gamechecks...if I owned the team I would not have handled it the same way. Not bashing the Chargers, promise.When Foley is done with the City of Coronado he can go buy the San Diego Chargers.

The lack of payment on the Chargers' part has nothing to do with guilt or innocence - it has to do with his inability to play football. It sucks, but that's NFL business. It's up to Foley to have an insurance policy in place and/or go after the City of Coronado for the money he's losing because one of their employees made him unable to perform in his job and thus lose his paychecks. This isn't even a workman's comp situation as Foley wasn't injured on the job. Granted we'd all like a feel good story about how the Chargers honor all their commitments even though the player can't hold up his end of the bargain for whatever reason, but that's just not how the pro-sports world works. It doesn't sound to me like they've totally abandoned Foley, it'll be interesting to see if a civil suit happens and how it is resolved. The reason Foley could "end up owning the City of Coronado" is because their servant made Foley unable to honor his employment commitments and thus could be on the hook for reimbursing him for lost pay, future earining ability he may have lost as a result as well as health costs, etc. - that's the minimum penalty they should encounter should they prove culpable in this situation. In that regard it doesn't really make sense for Foley to "get paid" by both the city and the Chargers.Does that clarify the Charger organization's actions in this matter a bit for you?

 

[Daywalker]

For those too lazy to hit the link button.

Foley still unable to walk after being shot by police

Posted: Oct.10, 2006, 12:06 am EDT

By Andrea Kremer

NBCSports.com

San Diego Chargers starting linebacker Steve Foley, shot by an off-duty policeman Sept. 3, has undergone multiple surgeries since the controversial incident and cannot walk.

The 31-year-old was released from the hospital on Sept. 27 after at least five surgical procedures. One of the bullets severed the main artery in his left leg and doctors had to graft a vein from his right leg to make sure the blood was flowing properly. (He also sustained a wound on his hand, which may be a grazing shot, but that is still unclear).

The 6-4 Foley is not suffering paralysis. He is being kept off his feet so he can heal and recover from extensive trauma. He performs rehab three times a week with a physical therapist at his home, getting manipulation to his leg to try to regain range of motion. He must use a walker to stand up during rehab. He has lost 20 pounds from his 265-pound frame.

Foley says he is "feeling fine" albeit in a lot of pain 24 hours a day.

How does he occupy his time? Watching every second of football he can. He says football is the best therapy and remains focused on playing again for the Chargers. Doctors are hopeful this will happen but it is too early to tell if he'll be able to do so. He is out for the season and has not been charged with any crime. His future, however, is highly uncertain.

Steve Foley was entering his third season with the Chargers when he was wounded by police.What is certain is that Foley was shot three times in the left leg by an off-duty Coronado, Calif., police officer, Aaron Mansker, who was out of uniform and driving a civilian car. Mansker tried to pull Foley over on the suspicion of drunken driving, near the players' home.

According to police reports, at 3:30 a.m. Foley was driving erratically when Mansker began to follow him. After Mansker reportedly observed the vehicle weaving and its speed ranging from 30 mph to 90 mph, he ordered Foley to pull over at a red light, but Foley drove away in his restored 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. For nearly 30 miles, Mansker followed behind in his black Mazda, ordering Foley's car to pull over to no avail. Mansker called the California Highway Patrol, but was told no units were in the area.

Finally, when Foley reached his home, he emerged from the car and was confronted by Mansker.

According to a taped interview with investigators obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mansker said Foley, "kept coming toward me," and that he identified himself as a police officer and told Foley to stop before drawing his gun and firing a warning shot. But Foley kept nearing, and reached into his waistband.

"I thought for sure he's going to pull his gun and I'm gone," Mansker told investigators. He fired his gun several times and hit Foley three times, twice in the lower left leg and once in the thigh.

But Lisa Maree Gaut, who was Foley's passenger, offered a different account. She told investigators that she never heard Mansker identify himself as a police officer, and said she and Foley were under the belief that Foley was being followed because he is a professional athlete.

Gaut, too, has been charged with drunken driving and assault. Prosecutors say she got behind the wheel of Foley's car and tried to run Mansker down after the shooting. She is out on bail and faces up to five years in prison if convicted of all charges. Mansker is on administrative leave from the Coronado Police Department, pending the results of an investigation into the shooting. Foley is out for the season and to date, has not been charged with any crime. However, his blood alcohol level has been reported at .233, almost three times the .08 legal limit for driving in the state of California.

Foley's agent, attorney David Levine, noted that none of the player's wounds are frontal -- they are all on the side or back of his leg. Levine believes this means that Foley may not have been shot walking toward the officer, as has been alleged.

The Chargers placed Foley on the non-football injury list, which means he is allowed to be with the team (as opposed to a suspended player who is not) if he is healthy enough to be there. Foley has three years remaining on his contract and was scheduled to make $1.6 million in salary this year, including $875,000 that was paid in March as a roster bonus.

The team has until Oct. 17 or 18 to file a grievance seeking full return of that money. Levine believes that would be punitive but General Manager A.J. Smith said the team "has full right to go after it.

"A player is responsible to take care of his own personal business," said Smith, who said he was "disappointed" when he got the news of Foley's shooting.

Foley has not been receiving game checks and Smith said they have not yet decided if the player will be paid for this season. "Typically, for any practice or game, you're paid," said Smith. "Anything off the field, you're not paid."

Do the Chargers want Foley back? If actions speak louder than words, Foley had many visitors in the hospital including team President Dean Spanos and Smith.

"First we have to see if he's healthy," said Smith. "All players are evaluated at the end of the season with respect to on and off the field issues."

Spanos added, "Right now, the guy is in a wheelchair and we don't even know how he'll recover. And there are so many unresolved issues with this matter."

One unresolved issue is whether Foley would bring a civil action against the officer who shot him and the city of Coronado, which is responsible for the actions of its officer and has "deep pockets." One Charger front office executive said, "From what we hear, Foley could end up owning the city of Coronado."

And then there is the overall well-being of the player to consider. Foley was in the NFL drug program in 1999 when he was with the Cincinnati Bengals, for alcohol issues. He is said to not be in the substance abuse program for steroids, although the notion that this incident is some form of "roid rage" has been circulated by the prosecution. Agent Levine feels that is something the police threw out there as part of a smear campaign against his client. Meanwhile, all of Foley's rehab at the moment is physical -- he is not getting any treatment for a possible alcohol problem.

Meanwhile, in the beginning of September, the team reportedly brought in a member of the San Diego Sheriff's Department to speak to the players about the incident involving Foley.

Some teammates envision a scenario where Foley thought he was being carjacked and have defended his decision to not pull over for the officer. There is also the underlying question as to what role race may have played; would there have been more outrage than condemnation if the player who was shot was white, not black?

So amid the euphoria of a 3-1 start for the Chargers, it would seem easy to forget about Foley. His teammates haven't.

"You can replace him on the field," fellow linebacker Shawne Merriman said. "But he's such a great guy in the locker room. We really miss his presence and what he meant as a friend and teammate. It's just shocking what happened."

So while the Charger defense continues to dominate, Steve Foley sits home healing. Improvement is the goal for all, but a long season remains ahead for both.

Andrea Kremer is a reporter for NBC Sports. She can be reached at kremer@nbcuni.com

I bolded the part I found interesting. MT and crew always defend the Chargers but I knew when they took back the money for this season that they sort of were assuming Foley was guilty...they didn't wait long at all...and this is a case in my mind i would want to hear the facts before I docked my player any gamechecks...if I owned the team I would not have handled it the same way. Not bashing the Chargers, promise.

When Foley is done with the City of Coronado he can go buy the San Diego Chargers.

Can you bold the parts that you think give Foley a good case? I don't see any.

 

[TheLaw]

Gaut, too, has been charged with drunken driving and assault. Prosecutors say she got behind the wheel of Foley's car and tried to run Mansker down after the shooting. She is out on bail and faces up to five years in prison if convicted of all charges. Mansker is on administrative leave from the Coronado Police Department, pending the results of an investigation into the shooting. Foley is out for the season and to date, has not been charged with any crime. However, his blood alcohol level has been reported at .233, almost three times the .08 legal limit for driving in the state of California

Does this mean he left the scene and she chased after him or that she tried to run him over?The cop is in an unmarked black mazda, how excatly did he try and ID himself and pull him over prior to getting to Foley's house?

 

[Daywalker]

If you think you are being followed by some maniac don't you call the police yourself or just drive to the police station?

Foley should be thanking the cop for shooting him in the leg and not the chest.

 

[Slinger]

If you think you are being followed by some maniac don't you call the police yourself or just drive to the police station?Foley should be thanking the cop for shooting him in the leg and not the chest.

Yes because you were there and know exactly what happened.

 

[Gr00vus]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

Was looking for that.

Suffice to say none of us know jack for sure -- but it's an interesting article MOP.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I bolded the part I found interesting. MT and crew always defend the Chargers but I knew when they took back the money for this season that they sort of were assuming Foley was guilty...they didn't wait long at all...and this is a case in my mind i would want to hear the facts before I docked my player any gamechecks...if I owned the team I would not have handled it the same way. Not bashing the Chargers, promise.When Foley is done with the City of Coronado he can go buy the San Diego Chargers.

The lack of payment on the Chargers' part has nothing to do with guilt or innocence - it has to do with his inability to play football. It sucks, but that's NFL business. It's up to Foley to have an insurance policy in place and/or go after the City of Coronado for the money he's losing because one of their employees made him unable to perform in his job and thus lose his paychecks. This isn't even a workman's comp situation as Foley wasn't injured on the job. Granted we'd all like a feel good story about how the Chargers honor all their commitments even though the player can't hold up his end of the bargain for whatever reason, but that's just not how the pro-sports world works. It doesn't sound to me like they've totally abandoned Foley, it'll be interesting to see if a civil suit happens and how it is resolved. The reason Foley could "end up owning the City of Coronado" is because their servant made Foley unable to honor his employment commitments and thus could be on the hook for reimbursing him for lost pay, future earining ability he may have lost as a result as well as health costs, etc. - that's the minimum penalty they should encounter should they prove culpable in this situation. In that regard it doesn't really make sense for Foley to "get paid" by both the city and the Chargers.Does that clarify the Charger organization's actions in this matter a bit for you?

If I own a football team I am a millionaire 10 x over and I want to be liked by my players...I think I would probably be a lot like Cuban who owns the Mavericks...maybe some of you do not like him but the fans do and he tries hard. I bet if Dirk was shot 3 times in the leg not 1 gamecheck would get docked by Cuban...he probably would hire his legal team for him.All that said I think the PR from the Chargers front office is questionable. I think Smith saying that basically they could be an even bigger ##### and take more money from the guy...why? It's not about business, it's about a human being that played his guts out for your football team. Would Phillip Rivers have been treated the same way?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Foley's agent, attorney David Levine, noted that none of the player's wounds are frontal -- they are all on the side or back of his leg. Levine believes this means that Foley may not have been shot walking toward the officer, as has been alleged.

Can you bold the parts that you think give Foley a good case? I don't see any.

How bout that? Did you even read the whole thing?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

 

[Daywalker]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

Don't think he'd be going after heavy duty criminals while off-duty. If you can't applaud an off-duty cop for going after some drunk using the freeway as his playground I don't know what to say.Wounds on the side and rear of leg? I'd imagine if someone starts shooting in your direction you'd turn away.

Sorry state of things if we are suppossed to feel bad for this guy.

 

[Daywalker]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

The article said he did but no units were available at the time.

 

[jonessed]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

Don't think he'd be going after heavy duty criminals while off-duty. If you can't applaud an off-duty cop for going after some drunk using the freeway as his playground I don't know what to say.Wounds on the side and rear of leg? I'd imagine if someone starts shooting in your direction you'd turn away.

Sorry state of things if we are suppossed to feel bad for this guy.

Foley is actually so fast he was able to turn around between the time the shot was fired and the bullet reached him. The guy is Superman, faster than a speeding bullet.

 

[jonessed]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

The article said he did but no units were available at the time.

He called the Coronado police which is on the other side of the county (his deparment) and the CHP. The Poway police, where Foley was shot, are denying that they were called before Mansker arrived at Foley's house. In fact, they claim they responded just minutes after they were contacted, but Mansker had already shot Foley.

 

[Daywalker]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

Don't think he'd be going after heavy duty criminals while off-duty. If you can't applaud an off-duty cop for going after some drunk using the freeway as his playground I don't know what to say.Wounds on the side and rear of leg? I'd imagine if someone starts shooting in your direction you'd turn away.

Sorry state of things if we are suppossed to feel bad for this guy.

Foley is actually so fast he was able to turn around between the time the shot was fired and the bullet reached him. The guy is Superman, faster than a speeding bullet.

Or the cop pointed the gun at him and shot. Foley turned right when the gun was aimed at him.I ask again why didn't Foley call the police?

Forget it, you're probably right the cop is the bad guy.

 

[pizzatyme]

Sounds like Foley was DUI. Should a DUI result in a 30 mile chase that ends in a shooting of the offender? For crissakes, let it go. May be the cop should be checked for roid rage?

Foley was wrong, but the cop went out of his way to be a hero!

That is a disgusting display of police work. It only shows what someone will do with a little authority and an attitude.

 

[BoulderBob]

Sounds like Foley was DUI. Should a DUI result in a 30 mile chase that ends in a shooting of the offender? For crissakes, let it go. May be the cop should be checked for roid rage?Foley was wrong, but the cop went out of his way to be a hero!That is a disgusting display of police work. It only shows what someone will do with a little authority and an attitude.

Of course, most of America has been brainwashed to think the police always have a right to attempt to kill someone.

 

[gman8343]

Sounds like Foley was DUI. Should a DUI result in a 30 mile chase that ends in a shooting of the offender? For crissakes, let it go. May be the cop should be checked for roid rage?Foley was wrong, but the cop went out of his way to be a hero!That is a disgusting display of police work. It only shows what someone will do with a little authority and an attitude.

Seriously. It's not like drunk drivers are ever a threat to innocent people...

 

[pgreenfan]

I thought the girl was driving the entire time? I could be wrong.

 

[ydub]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

Don't think he'd be going after heavy duty criminals while off-duty. If you can't applaud an off-duty cop for going after some drunk using the freeway as his playground I don't know what to say.Wounds on the side and rear of leg? I'd imagine if someone starts shooting in your direction you'd turn away.

Sorry state of things if we are suppossed to feel bad for this guy.

Foley is actually so fast he was able to turn around between the time the shot was fired and the bullet reached him. The guy is Superman, faster than a speeding bullet.

Or the cop pointed the gun at him and shot. Foley turned right when the gun was aimed at him.I ask again why didn't Foley call the police?

Forget it, you're probably right the cop is the bad guy.

Ridiculous. Mansker has already stated that his firearm was pointed at Foley and fired a warning shot before the suspect "reached into his waistband". "According to a taped interview with investigators obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mansker said Foley, "kept coming toward me," and that he identified himself as a police officer and told Foley to stop before drawing his gun and firing a warning shot. But Foley kept nearing, and reached into his waistband."

You appear positively ignorant. If you're not on a , you really should make some sort of attempt to read the material on which the topic is based. Better yet, why don't you just get the hell out of the thread. You've embarassed yourself enough.

 

[pizzatyme]

Sounds like Foley was DUI. Should a DUI result in a 30 mile chase that ends in a shooting of the offender? For crissakes, let it go. May be the cop should be checked for roid rage?Foley was wrong, but the cop went out of his way to be a hero!That is a disgusting display of police work. It only shows what someone will do with a little authority and an attitude.

Seriously. It's not like drunk drivers are ever a threat to innocent people...

30 miles for a possible drunk driver without ever getting backup??? Give me a damn break! They passed 10 stabbings, 18 rapes, 40 armed robberies, and 6 shootings along the way He could have gotten help!And, obviously he was able to drive well enough that he made it 30 miles without hurting an innocent person!

 

[norton17]

Sounds like Foley was DUI. Should a DUI result in a 30 mile chase that ends in a shooting of the offender? For crissakes, let it go. May be the cop should be checked for roid rage?Foley was wrong, but the cop went out of his way to be a hero!That is a disgusting display of police work. It only shows what someone will do with a little authority and an attitude.

Seriously. It's not like drunk drivers are ever a threat to innocent people...

30 miles for a possible drunk driver without ever getting backup??? Give me a damn break! They passed 10 stabbings, 18 rapes, 40 armed robberies, and 6 shootings along the way He could have gotten help!And, obviously he was able to drive well enough that he made it 30 miles without hurting an innocent person!

and if he fired a warning shot and Foley kept coming...why was he shot in the side and back of the leg...was Foley "moonwalking: towards him???

 

[AB in DC]

Ridiculous. Mansker has already stated ...

"According to a taped interview with investigators obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mansker said ...

You appear positively ignorant.

Yes, because police officers never lie.

 

[Flyin Pigs]

Ridiculous. Mansker has already stated ...

"According to a taped interview with investigators obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mansker said ...

You appear positively ignorant.

Yes, because police officers never lie.

There appear to be some that assume that we always lie. MOP - I know that we generally disagree on who is to blame here but I do thank you for posting the update. I was curious as to where this thing was. (I bolded that because I didn't want it to get lost in the mix)

My $0.02 (and I'm in the same boat as everyone in not knowing jack about what happened out there) - young cop was overzealous. He wasn't power hungry or maddened by his new authority. He saw someone breaking the law and tried to do something about it. He thought he was doing good, but didn't use his head. If that's the case, it was stupid. He didn't realize how over his head he was until everyone stopped and Foley got out.

IN RE the shooting - there are companies dedicated to explaining how a person can get shot in the side and back while remaining a threat to another person. They explain this to people who have never been involved in armed confrontation in which people actually have to shoot other people. Is it safe to say that the majority of this board has never been shot or has never shot someone? The body does some crazy self preservation things - all kinds of contortions. To be clear - this is not a defense of the cop - just an explanation that the fact that Foley caught a round or two in the side or back isn't exactly a smoking gun in his case against the city.

BS on Foley thinking he was getting car jacked. Unless its gone unreported, he didn't call 911, he didn't race away, and then he got OUT of his car. OR - he did think he was getting carjacked and his drunk self tried to confront the dude and he did reach into the waistband imitating the possession of a weapon to scare dude off. I don't know....spitballin' is all.

Anyhow - I'm sure that Coronado will be sued. I tend to believe that they will settle.

I'm going back to reading about fantasy football - or maybe I'll peruse the general discussion board...y'all have a good one...

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I got no sympathy at all last time I regsitered .233 bac and got shot three times by a police officer.

The .233 was misinformation. It was a .16 (which is still bad). (Kramer should have known this since the article is dated Oct 10.) And he was shot in the back.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I bolded the part I found interesting. MT and crew always defend the Chargers but I knew when they took back the money for this season that they sort of were assuming Foley was guilty...they didn't wait long at all...and this is a case in my mind i would want to hear the facts before I docked my player any gamechecks...if I owned the team I would not have handled it the same way. Not bashing the Chargers, promise.

1. They did not take back any money. (They will probably initiate steps to recover the bonus next week.)2. They are not assuming he's guilty of anything.3. There's absolutely no way Foley was ever going to receive game checks for this season. That was never an issue. The issue is whether he will be docked his signing bonus. The answer is most likely yes, and it has as much to do with Foley's claim against the city as anything else.

 

[switz]

Wounds on the side and rear of leg? I'd imagine if someone starts shooting in your direction you'd turn away.

Unless you are in MAtrix land there is no way you'd turn fast enough for _none_ to hit you in the front. If all of them hit him in the side or rear, he was not approaching the officer when the officer fired.And before you say he turned when the officer drew his gun, IF he turned away, WHY did the officer STILL fire?Yep... no logical answer, except the officer just wanted to shoot him.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

The article said he did but no units were available at the time.

You honestly believe in Southern California that there wasn't a cop within 30 miles...PLEASE!!!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

Don't think he'd be going after heavy duty criminals while off-duty. If you can't applaud an off-duty cop for going after some drunk using the freeway as his playground I don't know what to say.Wounds on the side and rear of leg? I'd imagine if someone starts shooting in your direction you'd turn away.

Sorry state of things if we are suppossed to feel bad for this guy.

Foley is actually so fast he was able to turn around between the time the shot was fired and the bullet reached him. The guy is Superman, faster than a speeding bullet.

Or the cop pointed the gun at him and shot. Foley turned right when the gun was aimed at him.I ask again why didn't Foley call the police?

Forget it, you're probably right the cop is the bad guy.

Why didn't he let Foley go into his house and then call the police...what was the difference? Why would he shoot a guy going into his house...Foley was not attacking him.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Sounds like Foley was DUI. Should a DUI result in a 30 mile chase that ends in a shooting of the offender? For crissakes, let it go. May be the cop should be checked for roid rage?Foley was wrong, but the cop went out of his way to be a hero!That is a disgusting display of police work. It only shows what someone will do with a little authority and an attitude.

 

[Gr00vus]

If I own a football team I am a millionaire 10 x over and I want to be liked by my players...I think I would probably be a lot like Cuban who owns the Mavericks...maybe some of you do not like him but the fans do and he tries hard. I bet if Dirk was shot 3 times in the leg not 1 gamecheck would get docked by Cuban...he probably would hire his legal team for him.All that said I think the PR from the Chargers front office is questionable. I think Smith saying that basically they could be an even bigger ##### and take more money from the guy...why? It's not about business, it's about a human being that played his guts out for your football team. Would Phillip Rivers have been treated the same way?

I hear you, and believe me I wish that was the way the whole world works. But (and I'm making an educated guess here) I think most if not all employers (not just NFL teams) would very likely stop paying you if you were unable to show up for work. You may eat through your sick time and vacation first, but after that you're somewhat on your own - it's up to your health insurance etc. after that. I don't see any reason to hold NFL teams to a higher standard. I don't think Spanos is near Cuban's class wealth wise either, so it probably isn't as easy for him to write checks for no return - besides that it's pure speculation as to how Cuban would handle such a situation. But also, I think you could do a bit of waiting and seeing how this whole thing plays out before passing judgement on how the Chargers handle it, they like us don't know what the outcome will be for Foley - they may help him out moreso than you seem to think they are at some point yet.Also of note: At no point to date have we heard Foley or his agent complain about how the Charger organization has handled things up to now, so it may be premature of us not in the loop to be casting aspersions at them if the most interested party isn't.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

Don't think he'd be going after heavy duty criminals while off-duty. If you can't applaud an off-duty cop for going after some drunk using the freeway as his playground I don't know what to say.Wounds on the side and rear of leg? I'd imagine if someone starts shooting in your direction you'd turn away.

Sorry state of things if we are suppossed to feel bad for this guy.

Foley is actually so fast he was able to turn around between the time the shot was fired and the bullet reached him. The guy is Superman, faster than a speeding bullet.

Or the cop pointed the gun at him and shot. Foley turned right when the gun was aimed at him.I ask again why didn't Foley call the police?

Forget it, you're probably right the cop is the bad guy.

Ridiculous. Mansker has already stated that his firearm was pointed at Foley and fired a warning shot before the suspect "reached into his waistband". "According to a taped interview with investigators obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mansker said Foley, "kept coming toward me," and that he identified himself as a police officer and told Foley to stop before drawing his gun and firing a warning shot. But Foley kept nearing, and reached into his waistband."

You appear positively ignorant. If you're not on a , you really should make some sort of attempt to read the material on which the topic is based. Better yet, why don't you just get the hell out of the thread. You've embarassed yourself enough.

Is your real name Mansker by chance?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

Don't think he'd be going after heavy duty criminals while off-duty. If you can't applaud an off-duty cop for going after some drunk using the freeway as his playground I don't know what to say.Wounds on the side and rear of leg? I'd imagine if someone starts shooting in your direction you'd turn away.

Sorry state of things if we are suppossed to feel bad for this guy.

I've heard third-hand that officers from the Poway sheriff's station arrived at the scene within three minutes of receiving a call -- and got there less than a minute after the shooting occurred. And that while they will try to protect Mansker, there are plenty of aspects to his story that just don't hold up.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Also of note: At no point to date have we heard Foley or his agent complain about how the Charger organization has handled things up to now, so it may be premature of us not in the loop to be casting aspersions at them if the most interested party isn't.

Right. I've heard (third-hand again) that Chargers officials met with Foleys lawyers and they all agreed on how to proceed. If the Chargers pay Foley, it hurts Foley's case against the city.I think MoP is seeing conflict where there isn't any.But my third-hand source could easily be wrong about this. (Basically, I've seen stuff posted on Chargers message boards where posters claim to know someone who knows someone, etc.)

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I've also heard third-hand that Mansker is a total nut. He's active in the Minutemen project and stuff. And there are rumors that he'd been stalking Foley since before this incident.

 

[B Maverick]

And SD Cops are NOTORIOUS for shoot first ask questions later tactics.

 

[ydub]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

Don't think he'd be going after heavy duty criminals while off-duty. If you can't applaud an off-duty cop for going after some drunk using the freeway as his playground I don't know what to say.Wounds on the side and rear of leg? I'd imagine if someone starts shooting in your direction you'd turn away.

Sorry state of things if we are suppossed to feel bad for this guy.

Foley is actually so fast he was able to turn around between the time the shot was fired and the bullet reached him. The guy is Superman, faster than a speeding bullet.

Or the cop pointed the gun at him and shot. Foley turned right when the gun was aimed at him.I ask again why didn't Foley call the police?

Forget it, you're probably right the cop is the bad guy.

Ridiculous. Mansker has already stated that his firearm was pointed at Foley and fired a warning shot before the suspect "reached into his waistband". "According to a taped interview with investigators obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mansker said Foley, "kept coming toward me," and that he identified himself as a police officer and told Foley to stop before drawing his gun and firing a warning shot. But Foley kept nearing, and reached into his waistband."

You appear positively ignorant. If you're not on a , you really should make some sort of attempt to read the material on which the topic is based. Better yet, why don't you just get the hell out of the thread. You've embarassed yourself enough.

Is your real name Mansker by chance?

Is "Daywalker" a MOP alias? I don't get it. My post clearly supports Foley's version of the events and dispels "Daywalker's" notion that "Foley turned right when the gun was aimed at him". This is impossible give that Mansker has stated(on the record) that Foley was progressively moving forward before, during, and after Mansker had drawn and pointed his firearm, and after a warning shot had been fired. Given this information, how could one possibly come to the conclusion that Foley had turned his back to Mansker before his weapon had been discharged. Like I said before...ridiculous.

If my real name is Mansker, why would I make a statement which supports the suspects version of events instead of my own. Here's a suggestion: Have a look at my advice to "Daywalker" and follow said advice.

 

[CalBear]

Seriously. It's not like drunk drivers are ever a threat to innocent people...

It's hard to call someone a drunk driving threat when his car is parked on his own driveway and he's not in it.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I got no sympathy at all last time I regsitered .233 bac and got shot three times by a police officer.

The .233 was misinformation. It was a .16 (which is still bad). (Kramer should have known this since the article is dated Oct 10.) And he was shot in the back.

Are you sure? ESPN is reporting tonight that it was .233.

Police said Foley, who had been partying in downtown San Diego, had a blood-alcohol level of .233 percent, nearly three times California's legal limit of .08 percent.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I got no sympathy at all last time I regsitered .233 bac and got shot three times by a police officer.

The .233 was misinformation. It was a .16 (which is still bad). (Kramer should have known this since the article is dated Oct 10.) And he was shot in the back.

Are you sure? ESPN is reporting tonight that it was .233.

0.23 is so September. 0.16 is the new 0.23. link 1

link 2

link 3

 

[jonessed]

Ridiculous. Mansker has already stated ...

"According to a taped interview with investigators obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mansker said ...

You appear positively ignorant.

Yes, because police officers never lie.

There appear to be some that assume that we always lie. MOP - I know that we generally disagree on who is to blame here but I do thank you for posting the update. I was curious as to where this thing was. (I bolded that because I didn't want it to get lost in the mix)

My $0.02 (and I'm in the same boat as everyone in not knowing jack about what happened out there) - young cop was overzealous. He wasn't power hungry or maddened by his new authority. He saw someone breaking the law and tried to do something about it. He thought he was doing good, but didn't use his head. If that's the case, it was stupid. He didn't realize how over his head he was until everyone stopped and Foley got out.

IN RE the shooting - there are companies dedicated to explaining how a person can get shot in the side and back while remaining a threat to another person. They explain this to people who have never been involved in armed confrontation in which people actually have to shoot other people. Is it safe to say that the majority of this board has never been shot or has never shot someone? The body does some crazy self preservation things - all kinds of contortions. To be clear - this is not a defense of the cop - just an explanation that the fact that Foley caught a round or two in the side or back isn't exactly a smoking gun in his case against the city.

BS on Foley thinking he was getting car jacked. Unless its gone unreported, he didn't call 911, he didn't race away, and then he got OUT of his car. OR - he did think he was getting carjacked and his drunk self tried to confront the dude and he did reach into the waistband imitating the possession of a weapon to scare dude off. I don't know....spitballin' is all.

Anyhow - I'm sure that Coronado will be sued. I tend to believe that they will settle.

I'm going back to reading about fantasy football - or maybe I'll peruse the general discussion board...y'all have a good one...

Mansker clearly states that Foley is coming towards him when he shoots. He then goes on to further state that Foley kept coming towards him forcing another two shots. Foley had to be shot at least once in the front or Mansker's story becomes a complete fabrication. Unless this research firm specializes in convincing juries that the laws of physics don't apply to cop shoots then they are SoL.I'm also going to take a wild guess and say Foley didn't call 911 because he was DUI.

How far are you willing to guy to defend Mansker? I realize that cops always defend cops regardless, but some of your statements here are ridiculous. You need to come up with some better stuff.

 

[ydub]

Ridiculous. Mansker has already stated ...

"According to a taped interview with investigators obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mansker said ...

You appear positively ignorant.

Yes, because police officers never lie.

I didn't catch this the first time around. My comment and subsequent commentarty was directed at "daywalker" and anyone who buys Mansker's version of the events. So let me clear a few things up...Police do lie

Mansker is lying

Foley's BAC is not relevent to a criminal proceeding in which Foley is a defendant. No way it'll see the light of day in a criminal hearing.

However, it would appear that Foley's erratic driving (nothing more at this point) and prior arrest record (which should not be available for public consumption) is the motive for Foley's unbridled aggression.

There is no place in American society for vengeance and vigilante justice, especially from a police officer.

Mansker should never again be granted the privilege of wearing a badge and carrying a firearm if the media's version of the events is accurate.

Mansker should serve time in prison if the above is true.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Before we get too far into a painful rehash of things people have already said, I'd suggest anyone new to this situation to read through this thread which will cover just about everything involving the Foley case known up to now.

That thread took a turn for the worse, I was hoping to not concentrate just on whether Foley was wrong or wronged...because IMO he was totally wronged by this off duty cop who should have been out catching the heavy duty criminals out here in SoCal...maybe in Nebraska a DUI at 3:30 in the morning is a capital crime but here in SoCal we got a lot more problems than Foley driving home.30 miles...that cop couldn't call for back up over a stretch of 30 miles...please!

Don't think he'd be going after heavy duty criminals while off-duty. If you can't applaud an off-duty cop for going after some drunk using the freeway as his playground I don't know what to say.Wounds on the side and rear of leg? I'd imagine if someone starts shooting in your direction you'd turn away.

Sorry state of things if we are suppossed to feel bad for this guy.

Foley is actually so fast he was able to turn around between the time the shot was fired and the bullet reached him. The guy is Superman, faster than a speeding bullet.

Or the cop pointed the gun at him and shot. Foley turned right when the gun was aimed at him.I ask again why didn't Foley call the police?

Forget it, you're probably right the cop is the bad guy.

Ridiculous. Mansker has already stated that his firearm was pointed at Foley and fired a warning shot before the suspect "reached into his waistband". "According to a taped interview with investigators obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune, Mansker said Foley, "kept coming toward me," and that he identified himself as a police officer and told Foley to stop before drawing his gun and firing a warning shot. But Foley kept nearing, and reached into his waistband."

You appear positively ignorant. If you're not on a , you really should make some sort of attempt to read the material on which the topic is based. Better yet, why don't you just get the hell out of the thread. You've embarassed yourself enough.

Is your real name Mansker by chance?

Is "Daywalker" a MOP alias? I don't get it. My post clearly supports Foley's version of the events and dispels "Daywalker's" notion that "Foley turned right when the gun was aimed at him". This is impossible give that Mansker has stated(on the record) that Foley was progressively moving forward before, during, and after Mansker had drawn and pointed his firearm, and after a warning shot had been fired. Given this information, how could one possibly come to the conclusion that Foley had turned his back to Mansker before his weapon had been discharged. Like I said before...ridiculous.

If my real name is Mansker, why would I make a statement which supports the suspects version of events instead of my own. Here's a suggestion: Have a look at my advice to "Daywalker" and follow said advice.

I must have read it to quickly...sorry.

 

[UCLAGIE]

Cop never showed his badge to Foley; Despite pre-trial admission, Charger's companion will face trial

By: TERI FIGUEROA - Staff Writer

SAN DIEGO -- The rookie off-duty police officer who shot Chargers linebacker Steve Foley last month said Wednesday that at no point did he show his badge to Foley or his companion as he tried to get the NFL veteran to pull over on suspicion of drunken driving.

The ensuing confrontation on Foley's quiet cul de sac in Poway left the 31-year-old player with three .40 caliber bullet wounds that would sideline him for the season.

The testimony from Aaron Mansker came during a pre-trial hearing for Foley's companion, Lisa Maree Gaut, who is accused of trying to run down the officer in Foley's car during the clash.

At the end of the hearing, Superior Court Judge Frederick Maguire sent Gaut's case to trial; the 26-year-old San Diego woman will be formally arraigned on Nov. 1.

Mansker was in street clothes and driving his own car while heading home from work just after 3 a.m. Sept. 3, when he came across Foley driving erratically on State Route 163. Suspecting he was a drunken driver, Mansker stayed at a distance but followed Foley north up to Interstate 15 and then Pomerado Road, he said.

Once they were on surface streets, the linebacker allegedly rebuffed Mansker's repeated attempts to get him to pull over during a series of stops and shouting matches among Foley, his companion and the off-duty officer.

Foley was unarmed during the incident.

Prosecutor James Koerber argued to Judge Maguire that Foley and Gaut should have known Mansker was a cop and heeded his commands; Gaut's attorney, Raymond Vecchio, contended Mansker never showed his badge and the duo didn't know he was an officer.

"Wouldn't it have been better to show (Foley) your badge?" Vecchio asked the officer during cross-examination.

"It would have been, yes," Mansker replied.

Later, Vecchio asked Mansker if he could have done anything to "avoid the horrific event."

"At the time, no," Mansker responded.

Vecchio then asked if, in hindsight, Mansker thought he should have done something different.

"Again, there's many possibilities that could have happened, things that could have changed," Mansker replied.

Many of the stops on the street, Mansker testified, were initiated by Foley, with the football player stopping his car in the middle of the road, getting out and approaching Mansker, who drew his gun and pointed it at Foley.

During one such encounter, Mansker said, Foley walked up to him, looked at his firearm, said "that's a BB gun," and walked back to his car.

Gaut ---- who was primarily a passenger in Foley's car, but allegedly got behind the wheel and drove slowly up Foley's residential street during the final minutes of the confrontation ---- faces up to five years in prison if convicted. She is charged with two felony counts of assault with a deadly weapon and a misdemeanor count of driving under the influence.

Gaut was in court this week for a preliminary hearing, in which a judge decides if there is enough evidence to send the defendant to trial.

In deciding to send the case on to trial, Maguire said both sides made good arguments.

"Even though there is a legitimate defense ... both of what you say could be true," Maguire said to the attorneys.

Maguire also took notice of Mansker's courtroom demonstration of the volume and tone of voice the officer used when shouting the commands he said he gave to Foley and Gaut.

"He's got a booming voice," Maguire said of Mansker, "and frankly, if anybody looks like a cop, it's Mansker."

On Monday, Foley pleaded not guilty to misdemeanor drunken-driving charges, including an allegation that his blood-alcohol level was more than 0.15 percent.

Foley's agent, David Levine, said this week that Foley recently returned home from the hospital and is still on the mend.

One day after the shooting, the Chargers placed the Foley on the inactive list for the 2006 season; Foley could forfeit an estimated $800,000 in base salary if the Chargers choose not to pay him.

-- Contact staff writer Teri Figueroa at (760) 631-6624 or tfigueroa@nctimes.com.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/10/19..._2010_19_06.txt

 

[tommyGunZ]

ya gotta show the badge, dog.

to this kid.