Nick Roach and Brad Jones (1 Viewer)

[BuckeyeChaos]

couple of sleeper types that seem to have stepped into starting roles. I didn't get to see their preseason games unlike Kiko's who looked great to me. How did they look? 3 down role? Roach didn't have a tackle but I didn't hear that he was sitting out.

thanks in advance for the insight

 

[EMoney]

I'm dying to hear more on Brad Jones. He's high up on the FBGs rankings and he may be one that I can get for cheap on draft day.

 

[massraider]

Roach is a MLB, surrounded by average and unproven players, a 3 down MLB on a bad team.

Think Kirk Morrison in his prime. He'll get little in the way of turnovers, but a million tackles, IMO.

 

[EMoney]

Roach is a MLB, surrounded by average and unproven players, a 3 down MLB on a bad team.

Think Kirk Morrison in his prime. He'll get little in the way of turnovers, but a million tackles, IMO.

Cool. I'm in a tackle heavy format so me likey.

 

[KellysHeroes]

i'd Take Roach over Jones

 

[Chaos Commish]

I was excited about Roach. The reports from camp have been good. Stepped into a leadership role and took over wearing the radio and calling the defense right away. Then I watched him play. It's early and maybe the plays I saw developed oddly but he was out of position, slow to react, and slower to run. I'm still watching but cooled off on him.

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

I was excited about Roach. The reports from camp have been good. Stepped into a leadership role and took over wearing the radio and calling the defense right away. Then I watched him play. It's early and maybe the plays I saw developed oddly but he was out of position, slow to react, and slower to run. I'm still watching but cooled off on him.

Is this why his name didn't show up in the box score week 1? Very unsettling if true.

 

[Go Blue]

Roach is a MLB, surrounded by average and unproven players, a 3 down MLB on a bad team.

Think Kirk Morrison in his prime. He'll get little in the way of turnovers, but a million tackles, IMO.

I can't get on board with this. Burnett is an above average LB in my opinion. I'm not saying very good, but above average. While Sio Moore is unproven, I'm loving him so far. At this point, I have no idea how you take either Burnett or Moore off the field in passing situations. Burnett is very good in coverage and Sio Moore has some very good pass rushing skills.

I know they acquired Roach to be a 3 down LB, but it may not work out that way. I do totally agree with close to a million tackles if it does though.

At this point, I go with Jones over Roach.

 

[The Claymaker]

I think week one preseason, I am not going to read too much into that considering what I have read and heard coming out of the Raiders camp all summer. I think Burnett is much closer to average (maybe above average in coverage), he's been dumped whenever real competition has come in to challenge for his spot, that is why your with 4 teams in 6 years, if you are good teams resign you. Moore is a rookie and will probably make some great plays and also be caught out of position on plays, I agree with MR's assessment of this situation, at least at this point. I think Jones and Roach will probably be close in IDP numbers at the end of the year provided they both stay healthy.

Week 2 and 3 of the preseason will give us a much better picture of how things will shape up in Oakland defensively this year at least from the LB'ers position. One other thing to look at, is the back-ups, there is not a lot there for Oakland right now, which means these guys should all be on the field a lot this year.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Also, I think Brad Jones is going to be excellent for our purposes.

 

[massraider]

I was excited about Roach. The reports from camp have been good. Stepped into a leadership role and took over wearing the radio and calling the defense right away. Then I watched him play. It's early and maybe the plays I saw developed oddly but he was out of position, slow to react, and slower to run. I'm still watching but cooled off on him.

Is this why his name didn't show up in the box score week 1? Very unsettling if true.

He played part of the 1st quarter, that's it. Reading a week 1 preseason box score should never be "unsettling."

 

[therokie0070]

I think the biggest risk in Oakland is there is no guarantee that any one LB will remain a starter at one position or as 3 down LB. if roach struggles you could see a lot of changes and we could end up with a mess like last year? I would not be shocked to see Burris in the mix messing up all Oakland LB chance at FF relevancy (spell check off) and we end up with Tyvon branch and Lamar Houston being the only solid options in Oakland.

 

[therokie0070]

I just can't imagine why the bears would let roach go if he is all that great!!

 

[Shutout]

I just can't imagine why the bears would let roach go if he is all that great!!

The Bears were always caught up in the aura of Urlacher and Briggs. To be honest, Roach coucd cover much better than Urlacher at the end but you know how it is; how do you keep Urlacher off the field. In my opinion, they made a mistake of letting him go.

The Raiders have said Roach is the MLB and the thing they have been clear about is he will be the guy covering too, so he's in there for the duration and on a bad team that will have its defense on the field a long time, that's fantasy friendly.

If he struggles, they won't pull him because they can't. This team is nothing but liabilties at depth in the LB department.

I wouldn't get too concerned about the week 1 boxscore for him. The Cowboys were running almost exclusively wide off tackle (I assume to give their edge guys some work or see how that was going as they moved their TEs to block). When they weren't doing that, they were googly-eyeing Dez down the field and nobody is crazy enough to send Roach out to cover Dez.

I don't think you will see Roach as a dynamic playmaker like Daryl Washington that does a lot of everything or Sean Lee that seems to be picking people off and forcing fumbles but I think you will see Roach as a great compiler who, at the end of the day, sits on 9-12 tackles, etc. So it will probably depend on your scoring but, at where you can likely draft him, he might be the cheapest 3 down LB you can get that will tally 85+ tackles.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

I just can't imagine why the bears would let roach go if he is all that great!!

scheme fit, coaching/gm changes, cost of resigning/salary cap...........you name it and teams make mistakes or difficult decesions letting players go that go off and flourish elsewhere. looking back the ravens probably could've used Priest Holmes but they wanted a big back and Jamal Lewis helped them win a super bowl. all priest did was have arguably the best 3-4year stint ever by a RB

just roughly looking at the numbers, Nick is making more than what the bears are paying DJ and Bostic this year. looks like a win win for both parties. Nick got to pursue a fulltime MLB job and get paid and the bears got a guy for the future they hope to be the next great Bear MLB and DJ to be a stopgap or depth.

 

[therokie0070]

Good stuff guys thanks!!