Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Im thinking he is probably droppable but Im holding in case he makes it back for the playoffs. I have other options. fortunately enough WR is my teams strength.
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
Come on, what else can happen to my team as well? Nicks injury puts a real big hole in my playoff chances. Ugh!
And, you're welcome for the update on my team.
And, you're welcome for the update on my team.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Well this pretty much kills my playoffs hopes in 3 leagues. yikes
KillerToad
Footballguy
There is no way Nicks comes back in 3 weeks. Compartment syndrome is really bad, we mostly see it in work here after gunshot wounds to the leg. Basically his muscles in the leg are swelling and have no where to go but in, so they cut off all blood flow to the leg and foot.
The only way to treat this is pretty brutal, you basically filet the leg open all the way down so the muscles can swell outward and relieve pressure on the nerves and arteries. Infection is a huge risk with this procedure, there is no way he is back this season if they open his leg up like that.
The only way to treat this is pretty brutal, you basically filet the leg open all the way down so the muscles can swell outward and relieve pressure on the nerves and arteries. Infection is a huge risk with this procedure, there is no way he is back this season if they open his leg up like that.
KillerToad
Footballguy
Well I just read that he indeed have a faciotomy (slicing his leg open) on Monday night. So now it's just how fast he heals, I guess theoretically he could be back in 3 weeks if they closed it up with no infections and his wound heals enough to clear him to play.
So don't go cutting him just yet in your redrafts
So don't go cutting him just yet in your redrafts
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Wow...OUCH!!!How about long term? Is this somethng that could pop up again? Love Nicks but I've never heard of this happening to a WR or any player really. How did it happen?
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
I watched a lower leg fasciotomy video on youtube last night - Seriously gruesome. 
I'm keeping him on my roster and all, but if he's back in time for FF playoffs I'd be stunned.
I'm keeping him on my roster and all, but if he's back in time for FF playoffs I'd be stunned.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5839507
Based on this story it confirms that he had a faciotomy. And they also stated that in a few days he will be examined to determine if there are any dead muscles. If there are, then they could cut him open again and that would end his season. The 3 week return is heavily dependant on that. This situation is looking bad. Better have a backup plan if you are a Nicks owner like me. I personally am not expecting him to come back for the playoffs.
Based on this story it confirms that he had a faciotomy. And they also stated that in a few days he will be examined to determine if there are any dead muscles. If there are, then they could cut him open again and that would end his season. The 3 week return is heavily dependant on that. This situation is looking bad. Better have a backup plan if you are a Nicks owner like me. I personally am not expecting him to come back for the playoffs.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Biggest risk is muscle and nerve damage if they didnt get it quick enough. Alot of people have numbness in their lower legs afterwards, some temporary but some permanant. Have assisted in a half dozen or so of these, its not pretty and its usually related to trauma.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
This is a very bitter pill to swallow. How do your replace the best player on your team? What contingency plan is there this late in the FF season. Trade deadline passed, and the WW's look bleak. Nothing but a few lottery tickets left.
One of my teams I have the trio of Eli/Nicks/Bradshaw. That trio by themselves won me a few matchups this year. Now they are the weakness of my team. I'm 7-4, and was hopeful for the playoffs, but I wouldn't be shocked to finish 7-7 and out.
Some good opinions are in this thread that suggest this isn't a 3 week injury. If there's a chance he can return for the playoffs, I could keep him, but there is hardly anthing to pick up off waivers anyway.
Man this sucks! @#%@#$
One of my teams I have the trio of Eli/Nicks/Bradshaw. That trio by themselves won me a few matchups this year. Now they are the weakness of my team. I'm 7-4, and was hopeful for the playoffs, but I wouldn't be shocked to finish 7-7 and out.
Some good opinions are in this thread that suggest this isn't a 3 week injury. If there's a chance he can return for the playoffs, I could keep him, but there is hardly anthing to pick up off waivers anyway.
Man this sucks! @#%@#$
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netnalp
Footballguy
Moss was given an injury settlement, therefore he can't sign with the Giants this season.
Romofan
Footballguy
Looked into this injury as well. This is REALLY bad. Most of what I have read suggests that there is no way he is playing football in 3 weeks. He might only be starting to walk/run - let alone beat coverage. I predict he is done for the year....certainly in terms of Fantasy. I dropped him this morning.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
from a fantasy writer who's had it over at sportsgrumblings.com...
Hakeem Nicks, WR Giants – It’s being reported that Hakeem Nicks has a condition called Compartment Syndrome and had surgery to correct the problem. If that’s so then Nicks is done for the year. You know how I know that? I battled Compartment Syndrome for 15 years and had four surgeries on my two legs.
It’s this simple: you can’t run if you have Compartment Syndrome. When you try and run, the compartments in your lower legs fill up with fluid and it’s extremely painful. The condition only gets progressively worse. The only way to correct the problem is to have surgery to release the compartments. Some people decide to live with the condition and not have the surgery. They just choose not to run, like Jerry Seinfeld.
So, Nicks had the surgery and the Giants are saying he will be back in three weeks? Are you kidding me? I had the exact same surgery and I could barely walk three weeks later. Professional athlete or not, it’s going to take more than three weeks to recover from that procedure. That is a devastating surgery.
Trust me; this is a very rare and painful condition. If you want to see what Compartment Syndrome looks like after it’s corrected, check this out. And that was the good leg. I didn’t think to take a picture of the other leg but it was much worse. That was two weeks after surgery. Still think Nicks is coming back this year?
I had my first surgery in 2004. I had both compartments released. However, the doctor was an idiot and it came right back. This past summer, I had each leg done again and I was laid up for three months. That’s not all, after surgery you have to work back slowly. I had my surgeries in May and June. While I can work out and do cardio machines, I can’t physically run again until next May. That’s how serious this condition can be.
A running back for Washington State, James Montgomery, missed all of the 2009 season with Compartment Syndrome. The Giants can tell you Nicks is going to be out for three weeks all they want but they are kidding themselves.
The Giants aren’t fooling me. I don’t get the three week timetable. I know how much pain that surgery causes and how long it takes to get back to normal. Nicks is all done. I guarantee it.
Listen. I’ve battled this problem for almost half my life. I’ve done extensive research on it and talked to numerous doctors. I’m an expert on Compartment Syndrome. I used to walk slowly around the track and have to sit down with tears in my eyes the pain was so unbearable. That’s walking slowly around a track, not trying to run by Asante Samuel.
I’m officially reporting that Hakeem Nicks is done for the year. I will bet my life on it.
Hakeem Nicks, WR Giants – It’s being reported that Hakeem Nicks has a condition called Compartment Syndrome and had surgery to correct the problem. If that’s so then Nicks is done for the year. You know how I know that? I battled Compartment Syndrome for 15 years and had four surgeries on my two legs.
It’s this simple: you can’t run if you have Compartment Syndrome. When you try and run, the compartments in your lower legs fill up with fluid and it’s extremely painful. The condition only gets progressively worse. The only way to correct the problem is to have surgery to release the compartments. Some people decide to live with the condition and not have the surgery. They just choose not to run, like Jerry Seinfeld.
So, Nicks had the surgery and the Giants are saying he will be back in three weeks? Are you kidding me? I had the exact same surgery and I could barely walk three weeks later. Professional athlete or not, it’s going to take more than three weeks to recover from that procedure. That is a devastating surgery.
Trust me; this is a very rare and painful condition. If you want to see what Compartment Syndrome looks like after it’s corrected, check this out. And that was the good leg. I didn’t think to take a picture of the other leg but it was much worse. That was two weeks after surgery. Still think Nicks is coming back this year?
I had my first surgery in 2004. I had both compartments released. However, the doctor was an idiot and it came right back. This past summer, I had each leg done again and I was laid up for three months. That’s not all, after surgery you have to work back slowly. I had my surgeries in May and June. While I can work out and do cardio machines, I can’t physically run again until next May. That’s how serious this condition can be.
A running back for Washington State, James Montgomery, missed all of the 2009 season with Compartment Syndrome. The Giants can tell you Nicks is going to be out for three weeks all they want but they are kidding themselves.
The Giants aren’t fooling me. I don’t get the three week timetable. I know how much pain that surgery causes and how long it takes to get back to normal. Nicks is all done. I guarantee it.
Listen. I’ve battled this problem for almost half my life. I’ve done extensive research on it and talked to numerous doctors. I’m an expert on Compartment Syndrome. I used to walk slowly around the track and have to sit down with tears in my eyes the pain was so unbearable. That’s walking slowly around a track, not trying to run by Asante Samuel.
I’m officially reporting that Hakeem Nicks is done for the year. I will bet my life on it.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
WOWsounds like if not treated properly could cause longer term issues as well. man o man
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I had this very surgery. Eight years ago I cut a tendon in my hand and it became infected. The infection went into my forearm and caused the compartment syndrome. They caught it quite early but is was very painful and took 3-4 weeks to get complete movement back in my hand and forearm. In the lower leg it could be worse since you walk and run.
Not sure if the infection made it worse or not. I have Nicks on my main team and I am not counting on him back for at least 4-5 weeks. Would not be surprised to see him put on IR as well.
Not sure if the infection made it worse or not. I have Nicks on my main team and I am not counting on him back for at least 4-5 weeks. Would not be surprised to see him put on IR as well.
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Sir Psycho
Footballguy
I just Google "compartment syndrome fasciotomy" and its disgusting !
This is true for Fantasy purposes he could be done, but for NFL even if he doesn't come back until the playoffs the Giants would take that. Or maybe he comes back in week 16 or 17 if they are on the verge of playoffs and need that extra kick.
goldenchild
Footballguy
Okay, I'm no doctor, but just from a simple wiki search, it sounds like there are 3 grades of CS. How does this guy know exactly what grade Nicks had. For all we know, this dude had the worst grade, and Nicks is dealing with something more mild?I hope that person has life insurance if he's willing to bet his life on it.Franknbeans said:
The Jerk
Footballguy
Excellent memory.Washington Post/Redskins Insider: 2008 Jason Taylor Compartment Syndrome
Taylor's injury occurred in Week 3, September 21, 2008.
Like Nicks, his surgery was on Monday.
Taylor played in Week 6 and recorded 4 tackles.
This does not mean Nicks should be expected back by Week 14. There are any number of potential differences between the two cases. Clearly, there could be different severity of injury, different locations (i.e., anterior vs. posterior compartment), different surgical techniques, etc. And a WR may need more time to recover than a DE/LB.
Still, I wouldn't cut loose Nicks if I owned him, as it appears he could truly be out only three weeks. Will he immediately play well in Week 15? That's a different question than rostering him for the time being.
And with condolences to the prior poster who has struggled with compartment syndrome for years, the key difference in Taylor (and likely Nicks) and this poster is that his injury was acute while the poster has a chronic condition.
KillerToad
Footballguy
I talked to the head of vascular surgery at my hospital about Nicks today. Of course he had no idea who I was talking about hahahaha. He did say he highly doubts that any football player would be back on the field after only 3 weeks.
He told me that once the leg is cut open, it remains open and packed with gauze and constantly flushed until the muscle's swelling goes down enough for them to basically fit it back inside the skin and stitch it up. He also told me it's rarely just 1 compartment that needs to be relieved, and most of the time it's 2 to 4. That means 2 to 4 incisions all around the calf.
He told me that normally the swelling for blunt trauma (like a helmet to the calf) goes down in 7 to 10 days. Then the incisions are stitched up and need to heal while he's infused with IV antibiotics. This whole time he can't risk running or doing any exercise risking opening up the incisions to infection. The stitches are usually in for 2 weeks, then he can start exercising again.
So you can figure it out on your own. They are saying 3 weeks only counting the time his stitches come out with no complications whatsoever. Totally disregarding the fact that the guy will be sitting on his ### with no leg exercise that entire time, and that the risk of secondary infection is incredibly high.
I think we're all screwed for fantasy football, but there is hope for NYG fans that he may be back just in time for the NFL playoffs.
He told me that once the leg is cut open, it remains open and packed with gauze and constantly flushed until the muscle's swelling goes down enough for them to basically fit it back inside the skin and stitch it up. He also told me it's rarely just 1 compartment that needs to be relieved, and most of the time it's 2 to 4. That means 2 to 4 incisions all around the calf.
He told me that normally the swelling for blunt trauma (like a helmet to the calf) goes down in 7 to 10 days. Then the incisions are stitched up and need to heal while he's infused with IV antibiotics. This whole time he can't risk running or doing any exercise risking opening up the incisions to infection. The stitches are usually in for 2 weeks, then he can start exercising again.
So you can figure it out on your own. They are saying 3 weeks only counting the time his stitches come out with no complications whatsoever. Totally disregarding the fact that the guy will be sitting on his ### with no leg exercise that entire time, and that the risk of secondary infection is incredibly high.
I think we're all screwed for fantasy football, but there is hope for NYG fans that he may be back just in time for the NFL playoffs.
I was in the pool
Footballguy
Thanks for the great insight!I was skeptical when I heard three weeks because I know a little about the procedure, but this was very in depth and informative. The deeper you go in fantasy football, you actually get some good medical knowledge with all these injuries!
Hawk Fan
Footballguy
We don't have enough information to know when he'll be back. There is a range of severity, and I remember Jason Taylor being back after only 3 weeks. This has been mentioned before, but it depends on how the surgery went and how many compartments were involved. If you read about Jason Taylor, it sounds like the surgery went well and they didn't have to leave the wound open. Jason Taylor
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KillerToad
Footballguy
I agree, I'm just giving you what an expert in the field told me today. But the difference between a DL and a WR and how much they rely on their legs for speed and agility, let alone the amount of pure running they do on the field during a game, has me leaning more toward the 5 - 7 weeks recovery time that the surgeon gave me today, as opposed to the 3 weeks the NFL stated. I guess we will see.
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I am going to be at the University of Michigan hospital tommorow afternoon on a job we are doing there. I am going to see if I can meet up with the Chief of Staff and discuss Nicks prognosis if he is not too busy.Seriously though..when I had this surgery they cut a 3 inch incision in my wrist area, they never stitched it up so it was a gaping hole. It took quite some time for that to heal alone.
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notdarkyet
Footballguy
Doesnt sound promising at this point. Very depressing.
Hawk Fan
Footballguy
I asked my wife, who is a surgeon and does fasciotomies sometimes, what she thought about this and she was skeptical that it would only be 3 weeks. Though the 3 week time frame is possible if everything goes well and it was a limited procedure. We'll see. I wouldn't be dropping him unless we hear more bad news.
northwoods
Footballguy
CS can vary as mentioned. Surgery for the mildest type does not involve cutting the leg open to relieve pressure. A small incision is made at the top of the muscle in question and the fascia is cut from inside the skin with a special knife. Recovery for that surgery could feasibly be a few weeks depending on how well the incision and the muscle heals. It doesn't have to be season ending as previously posted. Only Nicks doctor knows the severity of his injury.
lynx4ben
Footballguy
I asked my friend who is a janitor but did stay at a holiday inn last night. He mentioned that Barbara Walters was skanky lady in her day. I didn't believe it as I think she looks like my grandma who is very classy. Oh, and he said after this injury Nicks is as good as trash (pointing towards his can). He did smell a little of booze tho so take this for what it's worth.
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
I posted this in the other Nicks thread. Might as well put it here, too.
http://twitter.com/NYPost_Schwartz/status/7488052008062976
Tom Coughlin said Hakeem Nicks "did very well'' with the surgical procedure Monday on his right lower leg. 3-week timetable still in play. about 1 hour ago via web
NYPost_Schwartz
Paul Schwartz
http://twitter.com/NYPost_Schwartz/status/7488052008062976
Tom Coughlin said Hakeem Nicks "did very well'' with the surgical procedure Monday on his right lower leg. 3-week timetable still in play. about 1 hour ago via web
NYPost_Schwartz
Paul Schwartz
As much as I like to read that quote. I seem to remember Coughlin is the same guy that kept listing Fred Taylor as questionable every week when he tore his groin muscle off the muscle way back when.
Fred Lane
Footballguy
Was this pun intended?
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Any word? what did you find out?
strong
Footballguy
hey if anyone can ask anybody they know in the medical industry about their experience with this procedure being performed on average human beings and then relay that information to us that would be very insightful for us to understand this special athlete's recovery time from a procedure performed by the most advanced surgeons in the world.
and please ignore any previous professional athlete's short recovery time after undergoing the same procedure. that is not the type of insight i'm looking for.
awesome! thanks.
and please ignore any previous professional athlete's short recovery time after undergoing the same procedure. that is not the type of insight i'm looking for.
awesome! thanks.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Sure hope Nicks can play week 16.
thehornet
Footballguy
Hakeem Nicks targeting return for Week 14
Hakeem Nicks (leg) revealed Wednesday that he is targeting a Week 14 return against Minnesota.
Nicks told reporters that his problem is no longer with the Compartment Syndrome of his lower leg, but with the wound itself. He plans to resume running next Wednesday, and called the possibility of a Week 14 return "realistic." Nicks is not going to be a fantasy option in his first game back, but could be an asset in Weeks 15 (versus Philadelphia) and 16 (at Green Bay). Dec. 1 - 2:09 pm et
Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter
Hakeem Nicks (leg) revealed Wednesday that he is targeting a Week 14 return against Minnesota.
Nicks told reporters that his problem is no longer with the Compartment Syndrome of his lower leg, but with the wound itself. He plans to resume running next Wednesday, and called the possibility of a Week 14 return "realistic." Nicks is not going to be a fantasy option in his first game back, but could be an asset in Weeks 15 (versus Philadelphia) and 16 (at Green Bay). Dec. 1 - 2:09 pm et
Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
woot!
thehornet
Footballguy
my thoughts exactly. heck i would be ecstatic with week 15.
