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Nigerian Islamists kidnap 200 schoolgirls, massacre hundreds (1 Viewer)

And here's Obama's contribution.

http://weaselzippers.us/185372-report-boko-haram-using-weapons-taken-from-libya-after-obama-helped-topple-gaddafi/

Add another drop of tragedy to the story of Americas reluctant, no-boots-on-the-ground operation in Libya in 2011: Weapons that were never secured after Muammar Gaddafis ouster made their way to Boko Haram, the Islamist terrorist organization now holding hundreds of Nigerian girls.
Wait- are you honestly suggesting we should have had American troops in Libya?
 
The conservative opposition to Obama and Hillary has become completely unhinged and incoherent, as witnessed by their rather bizarre attempt to place the blame for this kidnapping on them.

 
timschochet said:
The conservative opposition to Obama and Hillary has become completely unhinged and incoherent, as witnessed by their rather bizarre attempt to place the blame for this kidnapping on them.
You're doing it again. Jim11 is not "the conservative opposition". Jim11 is a lunatic and a caricature. "The conservative opposition" wishes he would stop helping.

 
timschochet said:
Jim11 said:
And here's Obama's contribution.

http://weaselzippers.us/185372-report-boko-haram-using-weapons-taken-from-libya-after-obama-helped-topple-gaddafi/

Add another drop of tragedy to the story of Americas reluctant, no-boots-on-the-ground operation in Libya in 2011: Weapons that were never secured after Muammar Gaddafis ouster made their way to Boko Haram, the Islamist terrorist organization now holding hundreds of Nigerian girls.
Wait- are you honestly suggesting we should have had American troops in Libya?
Read the bolded above.

 
timschochet said:
The conservative opposition to Obama and Hillary has become completely unhinged and incoherent, as witnessed by their rather bizarre attempt to place the blame for this kidnapping on them.
Yeah, I don't get it. I mean Michelle Obama has started a twitter campaign to rescue the kids. :shrug:

 
timschochet said:
The conservative opposition to Obama and Hillary has become completely unhinged and incoherent, as witnessed by their rather bizarre attempt to place the blame for this kidnapping on them.
You're doing it again. Jim11 is not "the conservative opposition". Jim11 is a lunatic and a caricature. "The conservative opposition" wishes he would stop helping.
Yeah, you keep repeating this, and I wish you were right. But I'm concerned that you're not. Right now the Jim11s of the world are dominating the conservative movement.

 
timschochet said:
The conservative opposition to Obama and Hillary has become completely unhinged and incoherent, as witnessed by their rather bizarre attempt to place the blame for this kidnapping on them.
You're doing it again. Jim11 is not "the conservative opposition". Jim11 is a lunatic and a caricature. "The conservative opposition" wishes he would stop helping.
Yeah, you keep repeating this, and I wish you were right. But I'm concerned that you're not. Right now the Jim11s of the world are dominating the conservative movement.
:yes:

 
Amazing what a terrible board this has become, when it comes to trying to talk about anything heavy. All stalkers and wingnuts. Are all the interwebs like this now?

 
timschochet said:
timschochet said:
The conservative opposition to Obama and Hillary has become completely unhinged and incoherent, as witnessed by their rather bizarre attempt to place the blame for this kidnapping on them.
You're doing it again. Jim11 is not "the conservative opposition". Jim11 is a lunatic and a caricature. "The conservative opposition" wishes he would stop helping.
Yeah, you keep repeating this, and I wish you were right. But I'm concerned that you're not. Right now the Jim11s of the world are dominating the conservative movement.
People on the left share these sentiments about you too. :shrug:

 
timschochet said:
timschochet said:
The conservative opposition to Obama and Hillary has become completely unhinged and incoherent, as witnessed by their rather bizarre attempt to place the blame for this kidnapping on them.
You're doing it again. Jim11 is not "the conservative opposition". Jim11 is a lunatic and a caricature. "The conservative opposition" wishes he would stop helping.
Yeah, you keep repeating this, and I wish you were right. But I'm concerned that you're not. Right now the Jim11s of the world are dominating the conservative movement.
Maybe if the rational folks on the left would stop feeding the trolls, they'd go away (the rational on the right are just as guilty of this, of course; they love to feed the left's trolls). Ignore the lunatics, engage the rational.

I get that it's easier to attack the lunatics. They're easy targets. But stretch yourself, and engage the rational instead.

 
So it seems the US offered help within the first 48 hours and it took Nigeria 3 weeks to accept. And they got repeated warnings that this was going to go down and did nothing. Corruption turned straight to evil.

 
The conservative opposition to Obama and Hillary has become completely unhinged and incoherent, as witnessed by their rather bizarre attempt to place the blame for this kidnapping on them.
You're doing it again. Jim11 is not "the conservative opposition". Jim11 is a lunatic and a caricature. "The conservative opposition" wishes he would stop helping.
Yeah, you keep repeating this, and I wish you were right. But I'm concerned that you're not. Right now the Jim11s of the world are dominating the conservative movement.
Maybe if the rational folks on the left would stop feeding the trolls, they'd go away (the rational on the right are just as guilty of this, of course; they love to feed the left's trolls). Ignore the lunatics, engage the rational.

I get that it's easier to attack the lunatics. They're easy targets. But stretch yourself, and engage the rational instead.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
Have any muslim countries outside Nigeria actually condemned Boko Haram, promised to aid in the girls' recovery, pledged to aid in the search and recovery, anything like that?

 
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While the situation is disgusting and very troubling - especially considering the type of multi-country effort there has been to find the missing plane - it's easy to forget that it wasn't that long ago that the USA was the home to this type of disgusting activity as well. You can't expect every country to move at the same speed as us so it's not surprising that this stuff still happens. It will reduce at some point but as long as we are supporting these oil/diamond/resource states and corrupt regimes there won't be much change. It is time for the first world to start talking with the biggest stick it has - money.
You are ignoring the Islamist element of this, which IMO is just as troubling as the slavery aspect.Islamism is an attempt to bring the whole world to radical, fundamentalist Islam through violent means. It is pure evil. It is the basis for most of the terrorism that occurs today, and most of the violence in the world today. There are no comparable movements in any religion other than Islam.
Radicalism is evil whether it is Islamic or Christian or Communist. The defining factor is the radicalism.
No, in this case the defining factor is Islam, which alone among religions in modern history allows this sort of thing to flourish.
A student of history like yourself should know better. You have said Islam is pure evil and the reason behind most of the violence in the world today. You should take a step back.

 
I did not say that. Please read what I wrote again. Islamism, not Islam, is pure evil. Islamism is an extreme sect of Islam. Islam is not evil.

 
The conservative opposition to Obama and Hillary has become completely unhinged and incoherent, as witnessed by their rather bizarre attempt to place the blame for this kidnapping on them.
Other than this thread I haven't seen anything from conservatives blaming this on Obama and Hillary.

 
Just a reminder - this has happened before:

"Survivors say they woke up to find gunmen pointing their guns at them", Will Ross reports from Lagos

At least 29 pupils and a teacher have been killed in a pre-dawn attack by suspected Islamists on a school in northeastern Nigeria, reports say.

Eyewitnesses said some of the victims were burned alive in the attack, in Mamudo town, Yobe state.

Dozens of schools have been burned in attacks by Islamists since 2010.

Yobe is one of three states where President Goodluck Jonathan declared a state of emergency in May, sending thousands of troops to the area.

A reporter from the Associated Press found chaotic scenes at the hospital in nearby Potiskum, where traumatised parents struggled to identify their children among the charred bodies and gunshot victims.

Survivors said suspected militants arrived with containers full of fuel and set fire to the school.

Some pupils were burned alive, others were shot as they tried to flee.

The BBC's Will Ross, in Lagos, says this area has frequently been attacked by the Boko Haram militant group.

More than 600 people were believed to have been killed in 2012 by the group, which is fighting to overthrow the government and create an Islamic state in Nigeria's predominantly Muslim north.
The area has been targeted by the Boko Haram militant group repeatedly. The sect’s name means “western education is sacrilege.”
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=683588&hl=boko

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-23209181

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/world/africa/militants-kill-students-and-teacher-in-nigeria.html?_r=0

That was July 2013.

 
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Have any muslim countries outside Nigeria actually condemned Boko Haram, promised to aid in the girls' recovery, pledged to aid in the search and recovery, anything like that?
Yes
Saudi Arabia's top cleric (following other 'religious leaders in the Muslim world') has strongly condemned them:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/10/us-nigeria-girls-saudi-idUSBREA480MU20140510
I saw this, this is great news.

Saudi Arabia's grand mufti, the top religious authority in the birthplace of Islam, has condemned Nigeria's Boko Haram as a group "set up to smear the image of Islam" and condemned its kidnapping of over 200 schoolgirls.

Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Sheikh said the radical movement, which says it wants to establish a "pure" Islamic state in Nigeria, was "misguided" and should be "shown their wrong path and be made to reject it."

His remarks came as religious leaders in the Muslim world, who often do not comment on militant violence, joined in denouncing Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau for saying Allah had told him to sell off the kidnapped girls as forced brides.

"This is a group that has been set up to smear the image of Islam and must be offered advice, shown their wrong path and be made to reject it," he told the Arabic-language newspaper al-Hayat in an interview published on Friday.

"These groups are not on the right path because Islam is against kidnapping, killing and aggression," he said. "Marrying kidnapped girls is not permitted."
 
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And also August 2011:

An Islamist sect claimed responsibility for a bomb attack on the U.N. headquarters in Nigeria that killed 23 people, demanding the release of prisoners and an end to a security crackdown to prevent further bombings.

Boko Haram, which has been behind almost daily shootings and attacks with homemade bombs in the remote northeast, was the prime suspect in Friday's car bombing of the United Nations' Abuja office -- one of deadliest attacks on the world body in its history.

"We are responsible for the bomb attack carried out on the U.N. building in Abuja," a Boko Haram spokesman calling himself Abu Kakah told local journalists in a statement over the weekend.

The bomb gutted a lower floor, smashed almost all of the building's windows and wounded 76 people, U.N. officials said. The driver was killed in what could be Nigeria's first suicide bomb attack.

President Goodluck Jonathan has condemned the strike but refused to be drawn on who could have carried it out. Security services in Abuja also declined on Monday to comment on who they believe was behind the bombing.

The spokesman also claimed responsibility for other attacks in northeastern Nigeria.

"(We did) the bombings at Gombi, Bauchi as well as the attempt at the police HQ in Maiduguri. (This was punishment) for the humiliating treatment meted out to our members by security agencies in various parts of the country," he said.

Boko Haram's usual representative, Abu Zaid, is out of the country, but local journalists who received the statement said he had contacted them to make Kakah spokesman in the interim.

"The government must release all our members detained in various prisons across the country unconditionally before we accept dialogue with the government. The identity of the Abuja U.N. building bomber will be revealed to the public soon."

The group -- whose name means "Western education is sinful,"

is loosely knit, with many claiming to speak on its behalf, which makes verifying responsibility difficult.

However, the U.N. bombing marks an increase in the sophistication of its attacks and an escalation from local to international targets.

This has led some analysts to suggest the group is developing global ambitions and may have linked up with al Qaeda's North African wing, already operating in Nigeria's neighbor Niger.

But Kakah's statement suggested local concerns were still at play. "I am using this opportunity to warn the security agencies in (the northern state of) Kano to stop persecuting our members otherwise they shall be our next target," he said.

Amnesty International has said brutalization by security forces, unlawful arrests, killings and disappearances have been the operating practice in Maiduguri, further radicalizing local residents against authorities.

Jonathan last month set up a seven-man committee led by Borno civil servant Usman Gaji Galtimari to investigate the causes of unrest in the northeast, where Boko Haram is based. It is due to submit its report this week.

"Boko Haram has no confidence in the Presidential Committee set up to dialogue as nobody has ever contacted us for any dialogue. That whole affair is just a huge joke meant to deceive us," Kakah said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/29/us-nigeria-bombing-claim-idUSTRE77S3ZO20110829

And this past September 2013:

Islamist Boko Haram militants killed 159 people in two roadside attacks in northeast Nigeria this week, officials said, far more than was originally reported and a sign that a four-month-old army offensive has yet to stabilize the region.

In the first attack, on Tuesday, Boko Haram guerrillas wearing army uniforms stopped traffic on a highway between the cities of Maiduguri and Damaturu, dragging people out of their vehicles and killing them, with 143 bodies recovered so far.

Violence in northeast Nigeria has intensified over the past two months, as the Islamists fight back against a military operation that President Goodluck Jonathan ordered in May to try to crush their four-year-old rebellion.

Tuesday's toll was initially given as "more than 20", but information often takes days to trickle out of the remote and sparsely populated region, where roads are bad, curfews are in force and the military has cut the phone network since May.

"We have been picking corpses off the roadsides all day, there are more in the bush," said Abdulazeez Kolomi, an Environmental Protection Agency official in Benisheik village.

"They are all travelers slaughtered by Boko Haram gunmen. We have so far picked up 143 corpses."

On Thursday, following a similar pattern, Boko Haram insurgents killed at least 16 people in an attack on travelers plying a highway from Maiduguri to Bamboa, a police source collecting bodies on the scene told Reuters.

Thousands have been killed since the shadowy sect launched its uprising against the state in 2009, turning itself from a clerical movement opposed to Western culture into an armed militia with growing links to al Qaeda's West African wing.

SURGING VIOLENCE

The military operation that started in May brought an initial lull to the violence, as the Islamists fled their bases in cities, forests and mountains across the northeast.

But the lull quickly gave way to revenge. First schools were targeted, as the Islamists thought they were hiding vigilantes. Then attacks on security forces resumed.

The orgy of violence over the past few weeks - several hundred people have been killed - suggests the offensive against Boko Haram has not worked and may have made things worse.

"They have taken to guerrilla tactics in rural areas, where the population are vulnerable," said Kole Shettima, Africa director of the MacArthur Foundation, based in Nigeria.

"The military were winning some battles, but military deployments cannot win the war. Boko Haram can simply adapt," he said, adding that a broader strategy including investment in the underdeveloped north and some kind of political solution was needed.

Boko Haram, whose name means "Western education is sinful" in the northern Hausa language, wants to revive the medieval Islamic kingdoms that used to rule northern Nigeria, before its amalgamation with the largely Christian south by the British colonial authorities.

They are seen as the gravest security threat to Africa's top oil producer. Although their activities are located hundreds of miles away from its southern oil fields, they have bombed the capital Abuja at least three times, including a deadly attack on the United Nations' Nigeria headquarters in 2011.

Nigeria's military said on Wednesday it had killed 150 insurgents, including a commander, in an operation against Islamist group Boko Haram in which 16 of its own forces were also killed.

The Nigerian army often says it killed large numbers of insurgents in battles in which a much smaller number of its own troops died. It is impossible to independently verify this.

Violence in the northeast is unwelcome news for Jonathan, who is suffering a split in his party over an assumed intention to run again in 2015 elections, and from an opposition coalition that seems better organized and funded than in the past.

He had been criticized for not quelling Boko Haram's insurgency, which worsened under his leadership. The state of emergency he declared in May was seen as a last ditch attempt to show he is on top of the crisis.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/20/us-nigeria-violence-toll-idUSBRE98J0SP20130920

 
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What ever happened to these girls?

Or does it not matter now that the story is over a month old?

 
Most of the girls are missing. They are being sold as slave wives. Some have turned up dead. More have been kidnapped. Some of the top ####faces have been arrested by the Nigerian police.

 

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