Niners offseason thread (1 Viewer)

[AnonymousBob]

Thanks for posting that Fanatics. If the Niners take a non-Crabtree wr with their first pick I may very well break my tv. We already have two burners to stretch the field.

I'd be very happy with Andre or Oher. I've said several times I wouldn't be shocked if they took Rey, and while it's not their biggest need, I do believe Singletary is a fan of the kid and he would really improve our LB's.

Tyson is one I hadn't thought about too much but it seems as though that would be a good pick.

 

[facook]

After looking at that depth chart, here's my wish list:

1. WR Crabtree

2. DT Raji

3. DE Maybin

4. DE Orakpo

5. RT Andre Smith

6. RT Michael Oher

Admittedly Crabtree should be gone (though I heard McShay make a compelling argument today as to why Crabtree might make it to 10). Raji almost HAS to be gone. Which probably leaves us with Maybin. I'd be happy with him as the rush end opposite Manny Lawson. Pretty swift pass rushers off the edge.

I wouldn't cry if they somehow drafted Sanchez, but just doesn't seem like what the 49ers need is to be staring at ANOTHER 4 years of rebuilding.

So if Maiocco's input is sound, Raji and Maybin are no-goes. I hadn't considered Tyson Jackson either (and by now it looks like there's no shot of him being there at 10) but I could see them pulling that off. With Maiocco's info in mind, here's my revised wish list:

1. WR Crabtree

2. RT Smith

3. RT Oher

4. DE Jackson

5. DE Orakpo

6. LB Maualuga

If I had to make a prediction, I'd say SF ends up with Oher.

 

[sentr]

I agree our defense needs DL help but the biggest needs for the niners for the past few years has been obviously offense. When you have a castoff player, years from his glory days, leading the WR corps (and he is better than everyone else by a mile), you need help at that position. Then QB must be addressed some time but recent 1st round QB history worries me.Also, you can improve your defense by sustaining drives and that is something the niners have had trouble doing the past few years, they were better with Hill at QB late in the season. But, get another weapon or two on offense and this could just improve the defensive QB pressure due to fresher legs. It has seemed for the past two seasons for sure, the niners defense starts games very strong but 2nd & 4th Quarters are a nightmare.

Crabtree would be a great pick for us but I don't know I'm that comfortable with any of the other guys going that early.

I agree and I do not believe he will be there, I know stranger things have happened, but I don't see that happening. I believe they should try to trade back if Crabtree is not available and maybe pick up an extra pick or two. Although, I do like Jeremy Maclin's speed and 6'1" frame...they do need a WR that can stretch the field a bit. BTW, I am not crazy about drafting OL in the 1st round as it usually takes 3-4 years to groom them and then they are free-agents, I would rather sign the adults and let some one else raise the kids.JAA, I agree with you and you can also throw in JJ Stokes, who I believe was a #10 overall pick.

That's why I say defense with the early pick - it just seems that it's a harder miss than some other positions- (WR's that early kinda' scare me). While it's not impossible and I would certainly admit that there are no guarantees with any player, D line seems to hit more than miss once the work is done. I have always been more of a proponent of taking the more proven players, and letting someone else pay huge sums to a Rookie in that guessing game. The Smith pick a few years back really hurt, and that was a terrible draft to be saddled with the #1 overall pick. I remember our draft party in Orlando that year and me screaming at the TV to not pick Smith....anyone else woudn't have set us back so far. He, along with our front office at the time, have done a lot of damage to the franchise and it's time we start to move the other direction.

We still have the same front office. Our GM is no Pioli.

??? Unless I am mistaken, Donahue is long gone....he's the putz that set us back....Since he left, we have had at least some solid picks to stop the slide. And after further review of the team, Offensive tackle would be a nice spot to fill as well.

 

[derek19]

I'd really like Crabtree to fall to the 10th pick. Probably not going to happen. other than that, best Oline or Dline player available and i would be happy. Wouldn't mind them trading up into the 1st round to grab harvin or an OLB.

As long as they don't pick sanchez, whoever they pick i'll be happy with.

 

[derek19]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e133/mug0mug/500newuni.jpg

The new unis and helmet. they have a video on 49ers.com if u can get to the site.

 

[AnonymousBob]

If we're aiming for Crabtree, I'd rather them call the Cardinals and see exactly what it would cost to trade Boldin within the division. I'd happily give up their #10 to land Anquan.

 

[derek19]

49erswebzone has a chat up if anyone interested..

http://www.49erswebzone.com/chat.php

 

[derek19]

CRABTREE BABY!!!!!!!

 

[AnonymousBob]

I think most of us are okay with Crabtree here.

:confetti:

GB Al Davis.

 

[Brutis]

Good pick niner fans

 

[pollardsvision]

Congratulations.

 

[blackjack23]

shadyridr here. Im ####### ecstatic (yes Im a ninerfan)

 

[derek19]

YES!!!! YES!!!!

Can't believe he fell to us.

 

[millertyme1]

Congrats on the gift. I think the QB need (mocks w/ Sanchez) was overrated. The team can win with Hill.

 

[blackjack23]

Id try to get Quinn but that might just be me.

 

[thecatch]

Lots of options at WR now. Crabtree, Morgan, and Hill are all young guys that need to play. Plus they brought back Bruce and signed Jones.

 

[derek19]

I'd like the 49ers to trade up and get oher. But i think pats are going to grab him.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I'd like the 49ers to trade up and get oher. But i think pats are going to grab him.

Well, so much for that one. I would like to see them trade up for Rey. Either way, a whole lot of value is dropping.

 

[derek19]

According to Matt Maiocco (via facebook), 49ers head coach Mike Singletary says that the newest Niner, wide receiver Michael Crabtree (Texas Tech), will only participate in walkthroughs at the next mini-camp as he needs to fully recover from stress fracture surgery.

not any surprise.

 

[EBF]

 

[AnonymousBob]

According to Matt Maiocco (via facebook), 49ers head coach Mike Singletary says that the newest Niner, wide receiver Michael Crabtree (Texas Tech), will only participate in walkthroughs at the next mini-camp as he needs to fully recover from stress fracture surgery.not any surprise.

I'm glad they're not rushing him back from injury. I'm loving the idea of him studying under Bruce.

 

[facook]

After looking at that depth chart, here's my wish list:

1. WR Crabtree

2. DT Raji

3. DE Maybin

4. DE Orakpo

5. RT Andre Smith

6. RT Michael Oher

Admittedly Crabtree should be gone (though I heard McShay make a compelling argument today as to why Crabtree might make it to 10). Raji almost HAS to be gone. Which probably leaves us with Maybin. I'd be happy with him as the rush end opposite Manny Lawson. Pretty swift pass rushers off the edge.

I wouldn't cry if they somehow drafted Sanchez, but just doesn't seem like what the 49ers need is to be staring at ANOTHER 4 years of rebuilding.

So if Maiocco's input is sound, Raji and Maybin are no-goes. I hadn't considered Tyson Jackson either (and by now it looks like there's no shot of him being there at 10) but I could see them pulling that off. With Maiocco's info in mind, here's my revised wish list:



1. WR Crabtree

2. RT Smith

3. RT Oher

4. DE Jackson

5. DE Orakpo

6. LB Maualuga

If I had to make a prediction, I'd say SF ends up with Oher.

Thank you Al Davis!ANY shot Rey or Ebon Britton or Everette Brown last another 6 picks? If SF gets any of the three, I'm going to flip.

 

[AnonymousBob]

After looking at that depth chart, here's my wish list:

1. WR Crabtree

2. DT Raji

3. DE Maybin

4. DE Orakpo

5. RT Andre Smith

6. RT Michael Oher

Admittedly Crabtree should be gone (though I heard McShay make a compelling argument today as to why Crabtree might make it to 10). Raji almost HAS to be gone. Which probably leaves us with Maybin. I'd be happy with him as the rush end opposite Manny Lawson. Pretty swift pass rushers off the edge.

I wouldn't cry if they somehow drafted Sanchez, but just doesn't seem like what the 49ers need is to be staring at ANOTHER 4 years of rebuilding.

So if Maiocco's input is sound, Raji and Maybin are no-goes. I hadn't considered Tyson Jackson either (and by now it looks like there's no shot of him being there at 10) but I could see them pulling that off. With Maiocco's info in mind, here's my revised wish list:



1. WR Crabtree

2. RT Smith

3. RT Oher

4. DE Jackson

5. DE Orakpo

6. LB Maualuga

If I had to make a prediction, I'd say SF ends up with Oher.

Thank you Al Davis!ANY shot Rey or Ebon Britton or Everette Brown last another 6 picks? If SF gets any of the three, I'm going to flip.

We're looking good to get one of them.I might cry depending who falls.

 

[facook]

Rey just went to Cinci. I'd take Butler from UConn too. Jax, NE, and Buf in front though...might be a long shot to get Butler, Brown, or Briton.

 

[derek19]

Damn, we traded...

 

[AnonymousBob]

So we passed on Everette Brown but got their first rounder next year. I'm happy with this move.

 

[derek19]

49ers trade their 2nd round pick this year to the panthers for their first round pick next season.

ETA: Beat me to it. I'm happy about the move as well. Thats a tackle and hopefully a badass CB/SS.

 

[Gadfly]

Well, I guess that's worth giving up on Brown.

 

[thecatch]

Several reports had the Niners selecting a RB in the 3rd/4th round. Wonder if they'll still go that route without having addressed the OLB and OT positions yet (which I thought were their 2 biggest areas of need)

 

[facook]

Pasquino says 2nd and 4th this year for Carolina's 1 next year. Too much, IMO for what will probably be a pick in the 20s next year.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Pasquino says 2nd and 4th this year for Carolina's 1 next year. Too much, IMO for what will probably be a pick in the 20s next year.

I don't like us giving up the 4th rounder as well.

 

[facook]

So SF has what picks left in the '09 draft?

 

[Gadfly]

Pasquino says 2nd and 4th this year for Carolina's 1 next year. Too much, IMO for what will probably be a pick in the 20s next year.

I don't like us giving up the 4th rounder as well.

I'm good with it. It's a bit of a risk, but it could be a <15 pick next year.

 

[facook]

So SF has what picks left in the '09 draft?

A 3rd, 2 5ths, a 6th, and 2 7ths.They better make that 3rd and at least one more pick count. I was ecstatic about Crabtree. Giving away two of our next three picks for next year is pretty disheartening, though.

 

[Gadfly]

So SF has what picks left in the '09 draft?

A 3rd, 2 5ths, a 6th, and 2 7ths.They better make that 3rd and at least one more pick count. I was ecstatic about Crabtree. Giving away two of our next three picks for next year is pretty disheartening, though.

The Niners are building for years down the road, not next season, so the risk is worth it.

 

[Fanatics]

So SF has what picks left in the '09 draft?

A 3rd, 2 5ths, a 6th, and 2 7ths.They better make that 3rd and at least one more pick count. I was ecstatic about Crabtree. Giving away two of our next three picks for next year is pretty disheartening, though.

The Niners are building for years down the road, not next season, so the risk is worth it.

I agree they are trying to build but giving up the extra 4th is too steep for a 1st next year, which will be in the 20's, probably mid to late 20's. Is it just me or does it seem like certain teams are better traders than others. All day long Cleveland was trading 1st rounds for a lower first and a 6th pick. Then NE starts trading and they were getting lower pick and 5th round. I also see teams trading top 2nd for next years 1st but niners have to throw in the 4th to complete the deal...I would of rather had Brown.

 

[AnonymousBob]

They could have moved up a few spots in this draft for the same thing they gave up to get Carolina's first...so we'll see how great this really was.

 

[Gadfly]

So SF has what picks left in the '09 draft?

A 3rd, 2 5ths, a 6th, and 2 7ths.They better make that 3rd and at least one more pick count. I was ecstatic about Crabtree. Giving away two of our next three picks for next year is pretty disheartening, though.

The Niners are building for years down the road, not next season, so the risk is worth it.

I agree they are trying to build but giving up the extra 4th is too steep for a 1st next year, which will be in the 20's, probably mid to late 20's. Is it just me or does it seem like certain teams are better traders than others. All day long Cleveland was trading 1st rounds for a lower first and a 6th pick. Then NE starts trading and they were getting lower pick and 5th round. I also see teams trading top 2nd for next years 1st but niners have to throw in the 4th to complete the deal...I would of rather had Brown.

I certainly think you're being pessimistic to say Carolina's pick will be mid-to-late 20s.

 

[chinawildman]

Carolina's sched in 2009 looks tough... I think the only team they play that had a losing record last year is the Bills. Their division is tough and they still have to face the giants, cowboys, pats, eagles, and vikes. I'd say a sub 20 pick is a definite possibility.

 

[facook]

So SF has what picks left in the '09 draft?

A 3rd, 2 5ths, a 6th, and 2 7ths.They better make that 3rd and at least one more pick count. I was ecstatic about Crabtree. Giving away two of our next three picks for next year is pretty disheartening, though.

The Niners are building for years down the road, not next season, so the risk is worth it.

I agree they are trying to build but giving up the extra 4th is too steep for a 1st next year, which will be in the 20's, probably mid to late 20's. Is it just me or does it seem like certain teams are better traders than others. All day long Cleveland was trading 1st rounds for a lower first and a 6th pick. Then NE starts trading and they were getting lower pick and 5th round. I also see teams trading top 2nd for next years 1st but niners have to throw in the 4th to complete the deal...I would of rather had Brown.

I certainly think you're being pessimistic to say Carolina's pick will be mid-to-late 20s.

As to the 1st bolded: If it's Singletary who is building for the future, great. But if it's the Yorks doing the building, and Singletary and Ray are just going to be turned over next year, it's junk. Pretty tired of "putting off" success. Am I being pessimistic? Sure. Do I have a reason to be, given the Yorks track record? Yes.As to the 2nd bolded: Carolina will have a tough schedule, but they still have a fantastic o-line, two great RBs, one world class receiver, and if Peppers stays a very good D. It all hinges on Delhomme. If he's solid, the 1st next year from Carolina will be somewhere in the 20s, maybe later. If he's terrible, than you're right - we were just being too pessimistic.

 

[derek19]

For the panthers to have a pick in the 20's, they would have to make the playoffs. I believe for them to make the playoffs, they have to win their division. They have ATL, Saints and Bucs in their division. Don't think the Bucs will be all that good this year but ATL and Saints will be tough this year. If they don't win their division, I don't think they will get the wild card spots. Too many good teams in the NFC. Pack, Bears, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, ATL, Saints, Cards and some others that could surprise everyone this year.

If they don't make the playoffs, the highest pick they can get is the 20th pick. 32 teams - 12 playoff teams = 20th pick.

Doesn't seem to be a bad deal to me.

 

[Fanatics]

The Niners are building for years down the road, not next season, so the risk is worth it.

I agree they are trying to build but giving up the extra 4th is too steep for a 1st next year, which will be in the 20's, probably mid to late 20's. Is it just me or does it seem like certain teams are better traders than others. All day long Cleveland was trading 1st rounds for a lower first and a 6th pick. Then NE starts trading and they were getting lower pick and 5th round. I also see teams trading top 2nd for next years 1st but niners have to throw in the 4th to complete the deal...I would of rather had Brown.

I certainly think you're being pessimistic to say Carolina's pick will be mid-to-late 20s.

As to the 1st bolded: If it's Singletary who is building for the future, great. But if it's the Yorks doing the building, and Singletary and Ray are just going to be turned over next year, it's junk. Pretty tired of "putting off" success. Am I being pessimistic? Sure. Do I have a reason to be, given the Yorks track record? Yes.As to the 2nd bolded: Carolina will have a tough schedule, but they still have a fantastic o-line, two great RBs, one world class receiver, and if Peppers stays a very good D. It all hinges on Delhomme. If he's solid, the 1st next year from Carolina will be somewhere in the 20s, maybe later. If he's terrible, than you're right - we were just being too pessimistic.

 

[5Rings]

I'm thrilled to get a playmaker in Crabtree. A-#######-Men.

As for dealing our 2nd for Car's 1st next year, I'll take it.

Next years draft is to be better, and honestly...who would you have taken there? I would have taken Loadholt to compete with Marvel Smith, and he's no sure thing either. I think CAR's pick will be far more valuable--especially if we do need to bite the bullet and draft a QB next year. 2 #1s should give us the ammo to move up where we need to be.

 

[Fanatics]

For the panthers to have a pick in the 20's, they would have to make the playoffs. I believe for them to make the playoffs, they have to win their division. They have ATL, Saints and Bucs in their division. Don't think the Bucs will be all that good this year but ATL and Saints will be tough this year. If they don't win their division, I don't think they will get the wild card spots. Too many good teams in the NFC. Pack, Bears, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, ATL, Saints, Cards and some others that could surprise everyone this year.If they don't make the playoffs, the highest pick they can get is the 20th pick. 32 teams - 12 playoff teams = 20th pick.Doesn't seem to be a bad deal to me.

As a niner fan, I think you are being over optimistic. Yes the panthers have a tough road to the playoffs but doesn't everybody. They are a talented team and I don't see the playoffs being out of the realm. Sorry for being a pessimist but after being on the bottom for so long, I find it difficult to have a positive outlook. I am definitely hoping that you are correct and Carolina sucks but I just do not see it.

 

[5Rings]

Congrats on the gift. I think the QB need (mocks w/ Sanchez) was overrated. The team can win with Hill.

The people that had us taking a QB at 10 showed their lack of undersanding of Mike Singletary and his visions of this team. Those of us who follow this team knew better all along. :( Hill is fine in this offense.

 

[Fanatics]

I'm thrilled to get a playmaker in Crabtree. A-#######-Men.As for dealing our 2nd for Car's 1st next year, I'll take it. Next years draft is to be better, and honestly...who would you have taken there? I would have taken Loadholt to compete with Marvel Smith, and he's no sure thing either. I think CAR's pick will be far more valuable--especially if we do need to bit the bullet and draft a QB next year. 2 #1s should give us the ammo to move up where we need to be.

Hopefully you are right and we are so good that we have a lower first round pick next season.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Thrilled with getting Crabtree and moving a 2nd for a 1st next year. :(

 

[5Rings]

Several reports had the Niners selecting a RB in the 3rd/4th round. Wonder if they'll still go that route without having addressed the OLB and OT positions yet (which I thought were their 2 biggest areas of need)

I disagree on OLB being a need position. Admittedly--I'm a Lawson fan, and think he'll finally be given an opportunity to shine this year. Already 15lbs heavier and reportedly will be finally given the opportunity to rush the passer.Agree 100% on RT though. Was kinda expecting a trade back up to get Oher.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Congrats on the gift. I think the QB need (mocks w/ Sanchez) was overrated. The team can win with Hill.

The people that had us taking a QB at 10 showed their lack of undersanding of Mike Singletary and his visions of this team. Those of us who follow this team knew better all along. Hill is fine in this offense.

:( It was ridiculous that all the 'experts' and posters doing mocks had us taking a qb. Some dopes even had us trading up! Anyone who follows this team knew damned well we were not going to grab a qb.

 

[Gadfly]

Yes, we can't forget that the 2010 draft could be better than most because of more eligible players leaving early to come out before the possible rookie salary cap is implemented for 2011. This improves the risk/reward ratio of adding another 2010 first rounder.