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NL EAST CHAMPION (1 Viewer)
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MAC_32
Footballguy
This debate may get heated
Mets 91-71
Phils 89-73
Bravos 84-78
Nats 79-83
Fish 70-92
I like the Mets' balance the most, the Phils have an explosive lineup but very mediocre pitching. I think the trade for Johan puts them over the top. The Bravos will stick around all season, but the old tired arms of the 1992 Braves will run out of gas come September. I like the Nats to take the next step...or have a clubhouse that spontaneously combusts. Definitely some questionable characters playing for that team now, I'm seeing baseball's version of the Bungles.
Mets 91-71
Phils 89-73
Bravos 84-78
Nats 79-83
Fish 70-92
I like the Mets' balance the most, the Phils have an explosive lineup but very mediocre pitching. I think the trade for Johan puts them over the top. The Bravos will stick around all season, but the old tired arms of the 1992 Braves will run out of gas come September. I like the Nats to take the next step...or have a clubhouse that spontaneously combusts. Definitely some questionable characters playing for that team now, I'm seeing baseball's version of the Bungles.
The lineups for the Phillies & Mets are both very good - I see that as a wash.
The Mets have the edge with their #3, #4 and #5 SP's.
I also like the Mets bullpen a little more - especially if Duaner Sanchez returns to form - every report out of spring training so far has him looking strong.
Lidge is also a huge question mark - how will that ballpark treat him?
If the Mets stay relativeley healthy I see them winning 100 games.
The Mets have the edge with their #3, #4 and #5 SP's.
I also like the Mets bullpen a little more - especially if Duaner Sanchez returns to form - every report out of spring training so far has him looking strong.
Lidge is also a huge question mark - how will that ballpark treat him?
If the Mets stay relativeley healthy I see them winning 100 games.
Lidge hasn't been the same since Pujols took him deep in the playoffs in 2005.
Koya
Footballguy
While the Phils improved, nothing compares to getting the best pitcher in baseball.
I would also expect a bounceback year from Delgado, which then puts the Mets offense at least close to the Phillies' - and my expectation is the Mets WILL go out and get another bat, assuming either Church and/or Delgado indeed struggles during the year. If they get another solid solid bat, I don't see how the Mets will be denied.
I would also expect a bounceback year from Delgado, which then puts the Mets offense at least close to the Phillies' - and my expectation is the Mets WILL go out and get another bat, assuming either Church and/or Delgado indeed struggles during the year. If they get another solid solid bat, I don't see how the Mets will be denied.
boom king
Footballguy
its hard to argue with ya. good post
Lots of Mets love in here. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the Marlins come in last.
I'm also going to pick the Braves to win the NL East. Yep, screw NY.
ATL
PHI
NYM
WAS
FLA
Yep, Mets in third. Sure, there's a chance the Mets win the division. But I actually think that the top three teams are a lot closer than most others think. The Mets had a good team last year and fell through. They just have so many questions after Santana in the starting pitching staff. Pedro, OP, Tony Armas Jr, El Duque? Maine is decent I suppose. I dunno about these guys though. Atlanta has similar question marks, but Smoltz/Huddy make a good 1-2, and Glavine, James, Jurggens, who knows. The Braves have a really solid lineup too. McCann, Tex, Johnson, Escobar, Jones, Kotsay, Francouer, Diaz. They may have lost a lot of pop in A. Jones, but this lineup may be even better without him. I'll take a flyer on the Braves this year, simply because I hate the Phillies pitching outside of Hamels, Myers.
I'm also going to pick the Braves to win the NL East. Yep, screw NY.
ATL
PHI
NYM
WAS
FLA
Yep, Mets in third. Sure, there's a chance the Mets win the division. But I actually think that the top three teams are a lot closer than most others think. The Mets had a good team last year and fell through. They just have so many questions after Santana in the starting pitching staff. Pedro, OP, Tony Armas Jr, El Duque? Maine is decent I suppose. I dunno about these guys though. Atlanta has similar question marks, but Smoltz/Huddy make a good 1-2, and Glavine, James, Jurggens, who knows. The Braves have a really solid lineup too. McCann, Tex, Johnson, Escobar, Jones, Kotsay, Francouer, Diaz. They may have lost a lot of pop in A. Jones, but this lineup may be even better without him. I'll take a flyer on the Braves this year, simply because I hate the Phillies pitching outside of Hamels, Myers.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Not many teams out there with a better 3 through 5 than the Mets Maine, Perez, & El Duque. Plus add the best pitcher in the game and a healthy Martinez and thats one of the top staffs in the NL. Their bullpen is a problem IMO.Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Burrell.....third Phils MVP in a row. Mark it in the books. Phils win the division by three games.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Excuse me but...
. His peak HR year was 32, he's a career 258 hitter, has no speed, is mediocre on defense, and on the downside of his career. No effin way.
shadyridr
Footballguy
He cant play the Mets all 162 games.
Also looking forward to seeing Santana face the lefty hitting Utley & Howard this year.pillowpants
Footballguy
This is becoming one of the best races in baseball with the Phillies and Mets as competitive as they are and the Braves improving.
IF Lidge can cut down his blown saves in half, and Kendrick can give them 180-200 IP with similar #'s to what he put up last year, the Phillies pitching will be much improved. Having Moyer as a #4, in the NL, with this offense, still makes him an effective pitcher. Myers and Hamels are a good 1-2 at the top of the rotation. I don't know if Burrell will win the MVP (
) but if he can continue to use the whole field like he finished up last year, he will keep his average around .280 and make 110+ RBI's very possible hitting in this lineup. Utley, Rollins, Howard...sheesh.
The Mets have that ace they have been lacking for a while now. I know it's cliche, but it will be interesting to see how he handles the media, in September, in the thick of a playoff race. Santana, Pedro, Maine(how did that name get in here), Perez and Dookie are a very good rotation. Pelfrey will be called upon when Dookie takes May and August off, but this should not hurt the Mets much.
Mets fans have to be a little worried about the overall psyche of this team after last years historic collapse, as well as that of Jose Reyes who disappeared for the entire month of September last season. The pitching and hitting are among the best in baseball. They should win this division going away. But then again, they should have done that last year too.
The Braves have the young bats that should keep them around for most of the season. IF they can get a little magic out of Glavine in his return and find some decent arms for their pen, they can compete into September.
The Nationals and Marlins should be relevant in another decade or so.
IF Lidge can cut down his blown saves in half, and Kendrick can give them 180-200 IP with similar #'s to what he put up last year, the Phillies pitching will be much improved. Having Moyer as a #4, in the NL, with this offense, still makes him an effective pitcher. Myers and Hamels are a good 1-2 at the top of the rotation. I don't know if Burrell will win the MVP (
) but if he can continue to use the whole field like he finished up last year, he will keep his average around .280 and make 110+ RBI's very possible hitting in this lineup. Utley, Rollins, Howard...sheesh.The Mets have that ace they have been lacking for a while now. I know it's cliche, but it will be interesting to see how he handles the media, in September, in the thick of a playoff race. Santana, Pedro, Maine(how did that name get in here), Perez and Dookie are a very good rotation. Pelfrey will be called upon when Dookie takes May and August off, but this should not hurt the Mets much.
Mets fans have to be a little worried about the overall psyche of this team after last years historic collapse, as well as that of Jose Reyes who disappeared for the entire month of September last season. The pitching and hitting are among the best in baseball. They should win this division going away. But then again, they should have done that last year too.
The Braves have the young bats that should keep them around for most of the season. IF they can get a little magic out of Glavine in his return and find some decent arms for their pen, they can compete into September.
The Nationals and Marlins should be relevant in another decade or so.
Koya
Footballguy
As noted, Maine and Perez would be top end of the rotation guys for many teams and expect Perez to get 10+ Million (and perhaps significantly more) per year for a number of years if he only matches what he did last season.The Mets absolutely collapsed last year while Delgado never got into a groove. Pedro missed almost the full year and Reyes fell off a cliff. EVEN WITH ALL THIS, they only lost the division by one game. As I noted, Delgado has a very good chance to bounce back - and if he does not, the Mets will get a bat before the deadline. Reyes will not have a second half like he did last year and regardless of what Pedro can give (hopefully 25+ starts), they added the best pitcher in baseball...and considering how the Phils owned the mets head to head last year, you have to consider that Santana should make that VERY difficult to repeat when he goes against their lefty bats.
I simply think that the Mets pitching staff is full of big questions. Oliver Perez is a total enigma....doubt he gets a 10 mil/year contract from any sane GM....although hell, if Meche and Lilly can, who knows. Perez had a phenomenal 2004 season. And then he was disgustingly bad in 2005/2006. He was so bad the Pirates traded him for Xavier Nady. Come on. His contract was not prohibitive at all, he was a liability on the Pirates staff. Then what does he do? He goes out and has a solid 2007. So what Oliver Perez shows up this year, I don't know. Same with Pedro Martinez. Pedro's been great his career obviously, but then had an offl 2005 season (4.48 ERA, 9-8 record). And then he missed most of 2006 with injury. Does he come back as dominant Pedro, or over-the-hill Pedro? Pitchers usually fall off fast, much faster than hitters, and Pedro is going to be 37 years old this year, with a ton of innings on his arm.John Maine is a nice option in the middle of the rotation, granted. But again, who is on the back end of that rotation? El Duque? Tony Armas? Mike Pelfrey? And that is without getting into the bullpen.The Mets are the favorite in the division and rightfully so. However, things always don't go as they may appear. I think the end of last year was telling in NY. Maybe Randolph isn't the greatest manager out there. Maybe there was clubhouse rife. I'm not privy to any inside information, but I know when the best team on paper collapses late, that's not usually a good sign going into next year.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Contract year...MAC_32 said:Excuse me but...Darth Cheney said:. His peak HR year was 32, he's a career 258 hitter, has no speed, is mediocre on defense, and on the downside of his career. No effin way.
Koya
Footballguy
While I tend to agree, a few key things are at play (aside from delgado rebounding and such):(1) Santana. When you get the best pitcher in the game (arguably so / consensus) then you no longer have the same team as the last year and that has been evident every moment since that trade went down.guru_007 said:
(2) Reyes maturing - Seems that Reyes is growing up - going to showboat less, and focus more. Had a great interview here where you could sense he is maturing. But he was a big reason for the collapse, and will be a big reason for the resurgance
(3) Beltran's confidence - a guy who has been TOO quiet and not enough of an upfront, out in front, leader, actually showed some gumption with his "we are the team to beat" comments. Usually I'd say shut up, but from Beltran you WANT to hear that confidence - and Santana is the reason why he feels he can say it, imo.
About the pitching, Perez, if he does what he did last year, will get that fat a contract. People just pay too much for that level of pitching and it may be tough for the Mets to match just because he may not have value (santana may cost a ton, but he presents the value of best pitcher in the game going for him).
And the pen? The Mets pen should be at least good. If Sanchez can come back they have the chance to be great. Wagner is not Mariano, but thank god he's not lidge, either.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Andruw Jones.Contract year...MAC_32 said:Excuse me but...Darth Cheney said:
