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[Banger]

Kubiak has a lot to learn about player psychology. He said he believes in Slaton and wantys him to 'keep his head up' but bences him after a fumble early in a game where he would have obviously put up awesome numbers. That's a real confidence booster.A player plays with much more confidence if they know they are not one mistake away from being benched. It's a Little League approach to coaching.I would think a 150 yard rushing/ 75 yard receiving with multiple touchdowns game would have gone farther to keeping Slaton's head up than being benched would.The Giants allowed Barber to figure out his fumbling problem. They didn't punish him like a middle-schooler. He turned out to be a great back for many years. Maybe Kubiak should take a lesson from that. Or, he could have Slaton start running apprehensively and worry more about squeezing the ball than finding holes and looking for cutback space and end up with an NFL hand-me-down like Ryan Moats as his running back. That would work fine if he can talk Goodell into scheduling Buffalo every week.

what is he supposed to do though? He's warned him week after week after week. He's benched him for series/halfs and then warned him again about fumbling and he continues to fumble. At what point is the player accountable for their actions? It's not like this has been a two week thing.

 

[footballnerd]

Now is the time to get Slaton for cheap. Still a half a season left and it might not be next week, but he'll be back.

 

[Banger]

So the questions is.......................do you dump your entire alotment of blind bid money for the guy? You have to, right? Right?

That would be a mistake, IMO. We've seen Ryan Moats before and he simply isn't that good. Yesterday's performance was a confluence of Slaton being in the dog house and the Texans playing the worst run defense in the NFL.

There's no question Moats benefited from the Bills being the Bills. But why does Moats get dismissed for having such an easy matchup but Slaton doesn't get dinged for sucking royally this year? Heck, he barely had a 3 ypc against Oakland - team that is nearly as terrible vs. the run as Buffalo.

Because he hasn't royally sucked, as evidenced by his 650+ yards from scrimmage. The criticisms about his running between the tackles and his inability to protect the football are fair, but to characterize his overall play as royally sucking misses the mark.That said, even Slaton would've racked up the yardage yesterday. Those holes in the fourth quarter were the biggest running holes I've seen the Texans offensive line open up all year. Those were some huge running lanes.

650 yards from scrimmage but he's got 342 rush yards on 110 carries and 314 yards on 29 receptions. He hasn't broken 80 rush yards in any game this year. He hasn't been good.

 

[LittlePhatty]

There's no question Moats benefited from the Bills being the Bills. But why does Moats get dismissed for having such an easy matchup but Slaton doesn't get dinged for sucking royally this year? Heck, he barely had a 3 ypc against Oakland - team that is nearly as terrible vs. the run as Buffalo.

You're spinning your tires only talking about YPC.Slaton has value as a pass-catching back (FF value AND real world value for Houston).His 29 receptions and 3 receiving TDs prove it.Just like Hightower for Arizona. In fact, Hightower is RB14 and Slaton is RB15 currently in my .5 PPR league.They're both ahead of Gore, Forte, Turner...several 1st round draft picks.The point is, Slaton has been a big part of Houston's offense despite his low YPC.If Moats continues to be hot, Slaton will lose carries - but he'll still have value.If you take Slaton's fumble yesterday and put it in the Indy game next week, I don't think Kubiak benches him for the rest of the game. That's what people are trying to say. Moats got to run all over Buffalo because they are Buffalo and the game didn't mean as much. At Indy, I bet Slaton would come back in the second half.

 

[JuniorNB]

Kubiak has a lot to learn about player psychology. He said he believes in Slaton and wantys him to 'keep his head up' but bences him after a fumble early in a game where he would have obviously put up awesome numbers. That's a real confidence booster.A player plays with much more confidence if they know they are not one mistake away from being benched. It's a Little League approach to coaching.I would think a 150 yard rushing/ 75 yard receiving with multiple touchdowns game would have gone farther to keeping Slaton's head up than being benched would.The Giants allowed Barber to figure out his fumbling problem. They didn't punish him like a middle-schooler. He turned out to be a great back for many years. Maybe Kubiak should take a lesson from that. Or, he could have Slaton start running apprehensively and worry more about squeezing the ball than finding holes and looking for cutback space and end up with an NFL hand-me-down like Ryan Moats as his running back. That would work fine if he can talk Goodell into scheduling Buffalo every week.

what is he supposed to do though? He's warned him week after week after week. He's benched him for series/halfs and then warned him again about fumbling and he continues to fumble. At what point is the player accountable for their actions? It's not like this has been a two week thing.

Take him out for a series or two. Maybe until halftime. I can't imagine that he'll run with much confidence knowing that his coach is ready to yank him for good any time he coughs it up. A guy like Slaton who has explosion, moves, and great cutback ability, needs to be looking around for creases and space. I think if he changes into a guy who just puts two hands on teh ball and squeezes it hard and thinks of nothing but that, he becomes a very average back. (Or Ryan Moats)

 

[H.K.]

So the questions is.......................do you dump your entire alotment of blind bid money for the guy? You have to, right? Right?

That would be a mistake, IMO. We've seen Ryan Moats before and he simply isn't that good. Yesterday's performance was a confluence of Slaton being in the dog house and the Texans playing the worst run defense in the NFL.

There's no question Moats benefited from the Bills being the Bills. But why does Moats get dismissed for having such an easy matchup but Slaton doesn't get dinged for sucking royally this year? Heck, he barely had a 3 ypc against Oakland - team that is nearly as terrible vs. the run as Buffalo.

Because he hasn't royally sucked, as evidenced by his 650+ yards from scrimmage. The criticisms about his running between the tackles and his inability to protect the football are fair, but to characterize his overall play as royally sucking misses the mark.That said, even Slaton would've racked up the yardage yesterday. Those holes in the fourth quarter were the biggest running holes I've seen the Texans offensive line open up all year. Those were some huge running lanes.

650 yards from scrimmage but he's got 342 rush yards on 110 carries and 314 yards on 29 receptions. He hasn't broken 80 rush yards in any game this year. He hasn't been good.

Exactly. Let's not discount that Moats had 25 yards on 2 receptions, as well. The attitude that Slaton is the better third down RB seems to be more on the hopeful side of the fence in the attempt to justify how he may stay on the field. Moats produced receiving the ball this week, too. Add that into the equation that Slaton has fumbled downfield as well as at the LOS in traffic....so he's a risk and can't be trusted in any situation.

 

[benm3218]

Kubiak has a lot to learn about player psychology. He said he believes in Slaton and wantys him to 'keep his head up' but bences him after a fumble early in a game where he would have obviously put up awesome numbers. That's a real confidence booster.A player plays with much more confidence if they know they are not one mistake away from being benched. It's a Little League approach to coaching.I would think a 150 yard rushing/ 75 yard receiving with multiple touchdowns game would have gone farther to keeping Slaton's head up than being benched would.The Giants allowed Barber to figure out his fumbling problem. They didn't punish him like a middle-schooler. He turned out to be a great back for many years. Maybe Kubiak should take a lesson from that. Or, he could have Slaton start running apprehensively and worry more about squeezing the ball than finding holes and looking for cutback space and end up with an NFL hand-me-down like Ryan Moats as his running back. That would work fine if he can talk Goodell into scheduling Buffalo every week.

what is he supposed to do though? He's warned him week after week after week. He's benched him for series/halfs and then warned him again about fumbling and he continues to fumble. At what point is the player accountable for their actions? It's not like this has been a two week thing.

Take him out for a series or two. Maybe until halftime. I can't imagine that he'll run with much confidence knowing that his coach is ready to yank him for good any time he coughs it up. A guy like Slaton who has explosion, moves, and great cutback ability, needs to be looking around for creases and space. I think if he changes into a guy who just puts two hands on teh ball and squeezes it hard and thinks of nothing but that, he becomes a very average back. (Or Ryan Moats)

 

[TommyGilmore]

Kubiak has a lot to learn about player psychology. He said he believes in Slaton and wantys him to 'keep his head up' but bences him after a fumble early in a game where he would have obviously put up awesome numbers. That's a real confidence booster.A player plays with much more confidence if they know they are not one mistake away from being benched. It's a Little League approach to coaching.I would think a 150 yard rushing/ 75 yard receiving with multiple touchdowns game would have gone farther to keeping Slaton's head up than being benched would.

Different players require different approaches. Some players respond to getting benched, others don't. Maybe Kubiak feels that Slaton is the kind of player who responds to getting benched?

 

[Banger]

Kubiak has a lot to learn about player psychology. He said he believes in Slaton and wantys him to 'keep his head up' but bences him after a fumble early in a game where he would have obviously put up awesome numbers. That's a real confidence booster.A player plays with much more confidence if they know they are not one mistake away from being benched. It's a Little League approach to coaching.I would think a 150 yard rushing/ 75 yard receiving with multiple touchdowns game would have gone farther to keeping Slaton's head up than being benched would.The Giants allowed Barber to figure out his fumbling problem. They didn't punish him like a middle-schooler. He turned out to be a great back for many years. Maybe Kubiak should take a lesson from that. Or, he could have Slaton start running apprehensively and worry more about squeezing the ball than finding holes and looking for cutback space and end up with an NFL hand-me-down like Ryan Moats as his running back. That would work fine if he can talk Goodell into scheduling Buffalo every week.

what is he supposed to do though? He's warned him week after week after week. He's benched him for series/halfs and then warned him again about fumbling and he continues to fumble. At what point is the player accountable for their actions? It's not like this has been a two week thing.

Take him out for a series or two. Maybe until halftime. I can't imagine that he'll run with much confidence knowing that his coach is ready to yank him for good any time he coughs it up. A guy like Slaton who has explosion, moves, and great cutback ability, needs to be looking around for creases and space. I think if he changes into a guy who just puts two hands on teh ball and squeezes it hard and thinks of nothing but that, he becomes a very average back. (Or Ryan Moats)

he's done that and it didn't work, maybe this will.There's only so much time for hugs and pep talks. If you can't do the job the coach wants they will look to find someone that will. Whether he can find him/has found him remains to be seen. Nothing will lose games faster in the NFL than turning the ball over, Kubiak knows this and it's why he's been stressing it week after week after week. Kubiak has been patient so far..I just liken it to my young kids...If I keep telling them the same thing over and over and they keep doing the same thing it's time to try something different. It starts out with correction of the behavior and if that doesn't work it may be a time out, then another but if they keep acting in the same manner at some point you are going to room for the rest of the night so you can think about it. If that doesn't work I'm trading my kids for better ones

 

[H.K.]

Kubiak has a lot to learn about player psychology. He said he believes in Slaton and wantys him to 'keep his head up' but bences him after a fumble early in a game where he would have obviously put up awesome numbers. That's a real confidence booster.A player plays with much more confidence if they know they are not one mistake away from being benched. It's a Little League approach to coaching.I would think a 150 yard rushing/ 75 yard receiving with multiple touchdowns game would have gone farther to keeping Slaton's head up than being benched would.The Giants allowed Barber to figure out his fumbling problem. They didn't punish him like a middle-schooler. He turned out to be a great back for many years. Maybe Kubiak should take a lesson from that. Or, he could have Slaton start running apprehensively and worry more about squeezing the ball than finding holes and looking for cutback space and end up with an NFL hand-me-down like Ryan Moats as his running back. That would work fine if he can talk Goodell into scheduling Buffalo every week.

what is he supposed to do though? He's warned him week after week after week. He's benched him for series/halfs and then warned him again about fumbling and he continues to fumble. At what point is the player accountable for their actions? It's not like this has been a two week thing.

Take him out for a series or two. Maybe until halftime. I can't imagine that he'll run with much confidence knowing that his coach is ready to yank him for good any time he coughs it up. A guy like Slaton who has explosion, moves, and great cutback ability, needs to be looking around for creases and space. I think if he changes into a guy who just puts two hands on teh ball and squeezes it hard and thinks of nothing but that, he becomes a very average back. (Or Ryan Moats)

he's done that and it didn't work.

He gave the ball to a guy who held onto it, put up 150 total yards, and scored three times. Seems like it worked pretty darn well.

 

[benm3218]

Kubiak has a lot to learn about player psychology. He said he believes in Slaton and wantys him to 'keep his head up' but bences him after a fumble early in a game where he would have obviously put up awesome numbers. That's a real confidence booster.A player plays with much more confidence if they know they are not one mistake away from being benched. It's a Little League approach to coaching.I would think a 150 yard rushing/ 75 yard receiving with multiple touchdowns game would have gone farther to keeping Slaton's head up than being benched would.The Giants allowed Barber to figure out his fumbling problem. They didn't punish him like a middle-schooler. He turned out to be a great back for many years. Maybe Kubiak should take a lesson from that. Or, he could have Slaton start running apprehensively and worry more about squeezing the ball than finding holes and looking for cutback space and end up with an NFL hand-me-down like Ryan Moats as his running back. That would work fine if he can talk Goodell into scheduling Buffalo every week.

what is he supposed to do though? He's warned him week after week after week. He's benched him for series/halfs and then warned him again about fumbling and he continues to fumble. At what point is the player accountable for their actions? It's not like this has been a two week thing.

Take him out for a series or two. Maybe until halftime. I can't imagine that he'll run with much confidence knowing that his coach is ready to yank him for good any time he coughs it up. A guy like Slaton who has explosion, moves, and great cutback ability, needs to be looking around for creases and space. I think if he changes into a guy who just puts two hands on teh ball and squeezes it hard and thinks of nothing but that, he becomes a very average back. (Or Ryan Moats)

he's done that and it didn't work.

He gave the ball to a guy who held onto it, put up 150 total yards, and scored three times. Seems like it worked pretty darn well.

He meant Slaton has tried slowing down and protecting the ball with 2 hands and THAT didn't work. Cut into his explosiveness.

 

[coolnerd]

Kubiak has a lot to learn about player psychology. He said he believes in Slaton and wantys him to 'keep his head up' but bences him after a fumble early in a game where he would have obviously put up awesome numbers. That's a real confidence booster.

A player plays with much more confidence if they know they are not one mistake away from being benched. It's a Little League approach to coaching.

I would think a 150 yard rushing/ 75 yard receiving with multiple touchdowns game would have gone farther to keeping Slaton's head up than being benched would.

The Giants allowed Barber to figure out his fumbling problem. They didn't punish him like a middle-schooler. He turned out to be a great back for many years. Maybe Kubiak should take a lesson from that.

Or, he could have Slaton start running apprehensively and worry more about squeezing the ball than finding holes and looking for cutback space and end up with an NFL hand-me-down like Ryan Moats as his running back. That would work fine if he can talk Goodell into scheduling Buffalo every week.

what is he supposed to do though? He's warned him week after week after week. He's benched him for series/halfs and then warned him again about fumbling and he continues to fumble. At what point is the player accountable for their actions? It's not like this has been a two week thing.

Take him out for a series or two. Maybe until halftime. I can't imagine that he'll run with much confidence knowing that his coach is ready to yank him for good any time he coughs it up. A guy like Slaton who has explosion, moves, and great cutback ability, needs to be looking around for creases and space. I think if he changes into a guy who just puts two hands on teh ball and squeezes it hard and thinks of nothing but that, he becomes a very average back. (Or Ryan Moats)

for refernce Barber worst year in total fumbles was 9 (which he did multiple times)...Slaton has 7 through half a season. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarbTi00.htm

Remember each player and team/coaching situation is different. Just simply saying that Giants/Barber were successful doing it this way really has no bearing on the Texans/Slaton situation. We don't know what drives Slaton (positive or negative reinforement) or what has been done behind the closed doors to fix his problem. What Kubiak could not do for the rest of his team was do nothing when a player is commiting a critical error repeatedly.

 

[Knobs]

Kubiak has a lot to learn about player psychology. He said he believes in Slaton and wantys him to 'keep his head up' but bences him after a fumble early in a game where he would have obviously put up awesome numbers. That's a real confidence booster.A player plays with much more confidence if they know they are not one mistake away from being benched. It's a Little League approach to coaching.I would think a 150 yard rushing/ 75 yard receiving with multiple touchdowns game would have gone farther to keeping Slaton's head up than being benched would.The Giants allowed Barber to figure out his fumbling problem. They didn't punish him like a middle-schooler. He turned out to be a great back for many years. Maybe Kubiak should take a lesson from that. Or, he could have Slaton start running apprehensively and worry more about squeezing the ball than finding holes and looking for cutback space and end up with an NFL hand-me-down like Ryan Moats as his running back. That would work fine if he can talk Goodell into scheduling Buffalo every week.

Slaton has looked lousy all year - and that's if you don't mention the fumbles. Just how long is a team expected to stick with a player when he's costing the team wins?

 

[LittlePhatty]

Take him out for a series or two. Maybe until halftime.

he's done that and it didn't work, maybe this will.

It seemed to work in the Raiders game. Slaton fumbled and was benched for just one series, maybe two - then he had two TDs within about 10 minutes after coming off the bench back into the game. It obviously didn't solve the long-term problem, but it seemed to fire him up for that game.

 

[Knobs]

Some of you people are confusing the world of fantasy football with the world of real life.

Slaton has looked lousy running the football. At best, you can say he'll make for a fine third down back.

He has so many yards from scrimmage simply because he's been the only guy. But just because he's received some work by default doesn't mean he's actually good. It just means he's been the only guy. Moats has looked good enough to earn a bit more work and see if it was just Buffalo or if he may be a better option going forward.

 

[Joe Bryant]

There is no question that Moats has value now, but tap the brakes, folks. Kubiak is a believer in Slaton and he knows that #20 is an important piece of the offensive puzzle, especially now that OD is out for the year. The depth chart has not changed. Slaton is going to get his chances despite his recent struggles with the football.

maybe if you post this or something similar a few MORE times in this thread, you will start to believe it??? Cause no one else does. Doesn't Kubiak come from where you plug in a RB and let him play (denver)?

Hey idiot, I heard...

Try again next week maybe. Goodbye.J

 

[Y A Y O]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

 

[Banger]

Take him out for a series or two. Maybe until halftime.

he's done that and it didn't work, maybe this will.

It seemed to work in the Raiders game. Slaton fumbled and was benched for just one series, maybe two - then he had two TDs within about 10 minutes after coming off the bench back into the game. It obviously didn't solve the long-term problem, but it seemed to fire him up for that game.

but he still ran for 21-65 (3.09...his season average) against one of the worst run defenses. People are killing LT for his ypc and whether he's lost it and he's running for 3.37 ypc behind a worse line. Those aren't exactly braggin numbers but the fact that Slaton has been worse than LT (fumbling aside) is not good and a reason why any coach would look for someone else to possibly spark an AWFUL run game.

 

[Knobs]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

Dear God, why? Dynasty, redraft, ppr, or any other kind of format, why on earth would you rather have Slaton and Hightower over Addai and Forte?

 

[Y A Y O]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

Dear God, why? Dynasty, redraft, ppr, or any other kind of format, why on earth would you rather have Slaton and Hightower over Addai and Forte?

regular league. 6 pt per td. 1 pt per 10 yards rushing/receiving. I have AP and Sjax as rb1 and rb2. I think it's worth a shot in the playoffs.I acquired Forte addai and sjax from a trade. Gave up Peyton and PT.

 

[LittlePhatty]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

Dear God, why? Dynasty, redraft, ppr, or any other kind of format, why on earth would you rather have Slaton and Hightower over Addai and Forte?

I think you're having trouble separating Fantasy from the Real World..5 PPR League Season Totals:

RB#13 - Joseph Addai - 98 points

RB#14 - Tim Hightower - 95 points

RB#15 - Steve Slaton - 94 points

...

RB#19 - Matt Forte - 87 points

Seems like a fair offer to me, especially since Arizona and Houston have some nice matchups during FF playoffs (ARI gets STL and DET, while HOU gets STL too).

You can keep on talking about low YPC. Hightower has that problem too.

But since this forum is about Fantasy Football, the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[dgreen]

Just how long is a team expected to stick with a player when he's costing the team wins?

Which game did Slaton's play cost the team a win? Not saying he shouldn't have been benched yesterday, but I don't think you can blame Slaton for any of their three loses.

 

[benm3218]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

Dear God, why? Dynasty, redraft, ppr, or any other kind of format, why on earth would you rather have Slaton and Hightower over Addai and Forte?

I think you're having trouble separating Fantasy from the Real World..5 PPR League Season Totals:

RB#13 - Joseph Addai - 98 points

RB#14 - Tim Hightower - 95 points

RB#15 - Steve Slaton - 94 points

RB#19 - Matt Forte - 87 points

Seems like a fair offer to me, especially since Arizona and Houston have some nive matchups during FF playoffs (ARI gets STL and DET, while HOU gets STL too).

You can keep on talking about low YPC. Hightower has that problem too.

But since this forum is about Fantasy Football, the numbers speak for themselves.

In fantasy world and reality it is very possible that neither Hightower OR Slaton will be helping you come week 15. Beanie Wells and Moats come to mind. Look I am not trying to argue with you, but you can't cite these subpar types of backs and ignore the people on the same team with them.

Addai will be starting still in 15 and 16 as will Forte. The other 2 have real competition on their teams.

 

[Y A Y O]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

Dear God, why? Dynasty, redraft, ppr, or any other kind of format, why on earth would you rather have Slaton and Hightower over Addai and Forte?

I think you're having trouble separating Fantasy from the Real World..5 PPR League Season Totals:

RB#13 - Joseph Addai - 98 points

RB#14 - Tim Hightower - 95 points

RB#15 - Steve Slaton - 94 points

...

RB#19 - Matt Forte - 87 points

Seems like a fair offer to me, especially since Arizona and Houston have some nice matchups during FF playoffs (ARI gets STL and DET, while HOU gets STL too).

Thanks for the numbers. I had thoughts about retracting the offer until I saw your reply. This owner is 8-0 and will probably make the playoffs. There are many uncertainties with the outcomes (wells takeover role, forte turns it around, etc.) but I would not want to play this team in the playoffs if slaton and hightower remains starter. What is my lost? AP and Sjax will be my strter regardless. I'd love for em to play against Forte and Adddai in weeks 15 & 16

You can keep on talking about low YPC. Hightower has that problem too.

But since this forum is about Fantasy Football, the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[Y A Y O]

It's just a shot that i will take. Keep in mind AP and Sjax are my RB1 and RB2.

This owner is 8-0 and will probably make the playoffs. There are many uncertainties with the outcomes (wells takeover role, forte turns it around, etc.) but I would not want to play this team in the playoffs if slaton and hightower remains starter. What is my lost? AP and Sjax will be my strter regardless. I'd love for em to play against Forte and Adddai in weeks 15 & 16

 

[TommyGilmore]

Just how long is a team expected to stick with a player when he's costing the team wins?

Which game did Slaton's play cost the team a win? Not saying he shouldn't have been benched yesterday, but I don't think you can blame Slaton for any of their three loses.

Well, in the 2nd quarter of Week 1 Slaton fumbled at New Jersey's 15-yard-line, and the Jets immediately marched down the field and scored a TD. So, instead of going into halftime potentially ahead 7-3, they trailed 10-0 and they never recovered.That's not really the point, though. You can't gamble that the opposing team won't be able to score on your turnovers.

 

[Banger]

Just how long is a team expected to stick with a player when he's costing the team wins?

Which game did Slaton's play cost the team a win? Not saying he shouldn't have been benched yesterday, but I don't think you can blame Slaton for any of their three loses.

Well, in the 2nd quarter of Week 1 Slaton fumbled at New Jersey's 15-yard-line, and the Jets immediately marched down the field and scored a TD. So, instead of going into halftime potentially ahead 7-3, they trailed 10-0 and they never recovered.That's not really the point, though. You can't gamble that the opposing team won't be able to score on your turnovers.

Agreed. Statistically the loser of the turnover battle is the loser of the game the majority of the time. It may not have cost them a ton yet but it will at some point if not corrected.

 

[dgreen]

Just how long is a team expected to stick with a player when he's costing the team wins?

Which game did Slaton's play cost the team a win? Not saying he shouldn't have been benched yesterday, but I don't think you can blame Slaton for any of their three loses.

Well, in the 2nd quarter of Week 1 Slaton fumbled at New Jersey's 15-yard-line, and the Jets immediately marched down the field and scored a TD. So, instead of going into halftime potentially ahead 7-3, they trailed 10-0 and they never recovered.That's not really the point, though. You can't gamble that the opposing team won't be able to score on your turnovers.

Agreed. Statistically the loser of the turnover battle is the loser of the game the majority of the time. It may not have cost them a ton yet but it will at some point if not corrected.

Right. The question isn't even whether he has or hasn't cost the team wins. (I just thought it was unfair to blame him for loses. There are too many parts to just blame one guy.) The questions is: Can someone else do a better overall job? If they believe Moats can do better overall, he'll be the guy. If not, Slaton will be back in there. As long as Moats can produce the big positive plays like Slaton (he seems to give them a 20+ yard play just about every game) and not fumble, he has the upper hand.

 

[Banger]

Just how long is a team expected to stick with a player when he's costing the team wins?

Which game did Slaton's play cost the team a win? Not saying he shouldn't have been benched yesterday, but I don't think you can blame Slaton for any of their three loses.

Well, in the 2nd quarter of Week 1 Slaton fumbled at New Jersey's 15-yard-line, and the Jets immediately marched down the field and scored a TD. So, instead of going into halftime potentially ahead 7-3, they trailed 10-0 and they never recovered.That's not really the point, though. You can't gamble that the opposing team won't be able to score on your turnovers.

Agreed. Statistically the loser of the turnover battle is the loser of the game the majority of the time. It may not have cost them a ton yet but it will at some point if not corrected.

Right. The question isn't even whether he has or hasn't cost the team wins. (I just thought it was unfair to blame him for loses. There are too many parts to just blame one guy.) The questions is: Can someone else do a better overall job? If they believe Moats can do better overall, he'll be the guy. If not, Slaton will be back in there. As long as Moats can produce the big positive plays like Slaton (he seems to give them a 20+ yard play just about every game) and not fumble, he has the upper hand.

I doubt it'll be a black or white thing but more of a gray. I think Slaton is the best at receiving the ball and he'll likely retain that role. It's the carries that are up in the air IMO. They aren't going to shut him off from carrying the ball but I could see a Bush-esque type outcome where you have a RB that does regular RB things and a hybrid RB/WR type (Slaton). It's a guess at how it'll work out but you never want to open the door and give up the opportunity (see Pierre Thomas).Last year he had 318 touches and this year he's on pace for 278. I could see that pace being further eroded into the 250ish range. I could definitely see the 15.5 carries/game (not including last game) being chiseled down to 9-11. He certainly won't be worthless but he may go from being drafted as a low RB1/high RB2 to a good flex.

 

[Casting Couch]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

Dear God, why? Dynasty, redraft, ppr, or any other kind of format, why on earth would you rather have Slaton and Hightower over Addai and Forte?

I think you're having trouble separating Fantasy from the Real World..5 PPR League Season Totals:

RB#13 - Joseph Addai - 98 points

RB#14 - Tim Hightower - 95 points

RB#15 - Steve Slaton - 94 points

...

RB#19 - Matt Forte - 87 points

Seems like a fair offer to me, especially since Arizona and Houston have some nice matchups during FF playoffs (ARI gets STL and DET, while HOU gets STL too).

You can keep on talking about low YPC. Hightower has that problem too.

But since this forum is about Fantasy Football, the numbers speak for themselves.

He should pull this offer down now.FF is about the future not the past.

Wells is cutting into Hightower's numbers NOW.

Slaton has lost his starting job NOW

Forte is coming off his best game of the season. NOW

 

[AB in DC]

Speculation is pointless here, isn't it?

It's going to depend on which player performs better in practice and in games from here on out. Either way, hang on to both Slaton and Moats and see if one of them pulls ahead, because whoever does will probably have great value -- not like a true RBBC.

 

[That Little Voice]

As a PSA, MJD hosts these same Bills in Week 11.

 

[Matt Waldman]

Somewhere Matt Waldman is smiling........................

 

[skillz]

As a PSA, MJD hosts these same Bills in Week 11.

Chris Johnson gets Buffalo in Week 10 too.

 

[Scary Garys]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

I just picked up moats and traded him to the slaton owner for J.Stewart.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Wells is cutting into Hightower's numbers NOW.Slaton has lost his starting job NOW

Yes, but my point through all of this is that they are still putting up FF points.Both teams are pass first, and both backs are productive in the receiving game.Hightower's demise was predicted last week, when Beanie got more carries and a few passes.This week Hightower put up 19 FF points while Beanie had 5.I think it will be the same with Moats/Slaton. Just a hunch.And I think Slaton will be the guy to own during FF playoffs.Hightower I'm not so sure about. And I'm really not partial to any of them as I own all 4 guys.Whoever gets hot, I'll plug them in. Don't care. I just think Slaton will still be FF relevant (and possibly BIG) in Weeks 11 - 16.

 

[John 14:6]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

I just picked up moats and traded him to the slaton owner for J.Stewart.

Two weeks ago I traded Slaton and my 2010 5th round pick for Vincent Jackson, Tedd Ginn Jr, and Earnest Graham. Now I'm going to try bidding on Moats...

 

[steelcityman]

I have Slaton, and was looking to pick up Moats for a few weeks just for cheap depth, now I am screwed.

But I have Rice/McGahee...thats worked out to my liking.

But what about Fargas? Is he just filling in until McFadden is back? He looked good v Jets and had decent numbers and TD v SD. Are the Radiers dumb enough to sit this guy when DMC comes back?

PS: I will bid all but 1 of my units on Moats this week. I think someone is going higher though.

 

[David Lee Roethlisberger]

I have Moats and I'm thinking of making the following trade offers to a guy that has Slaton/TJones/ADP::

Westbrook (or Portis) for Slaton

Moats + Westbrook (or Portis) for T. Jones

I'm probably not giving up enough, though. I may throw in Miles Austin (who doesn't start for me).

 

[footballnerd]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

I just picked up moats and traded him to the slaton owner for J.Stewart.

Making my bids to do the same now. Either trade for or to the Slaton owner.

 

[Black]

I've watched Moats a ton in Philly. He'll whiff and get the QB killed and he won't catch a ton. Nice runner against weaker run D's. That's about it.

Yeah, heard the knock on him in Philly was being bad in pass protection.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I just offered addai and forte for slaton and Hightower

I just picked up moats and traded him to the slaton owner for J.Stewart.

Two weeks ago I traded Slaton and my 2010 5th round pick for Vincent Jackson, Tedd Ginn Jr, and Earnest Graham. Now I'm going to try bidding on Moats...

Great news guys, I was worried.

 

[jurb26]

I loved Moats when I scouted him coming out of LTech years ago. Looks like my love was a bit early.

 

[wiersface]

Settle down fellas......game of Moats' life......won't happen again......move along now.

finger crossed....

O yea it was most definitely the game of Moat's life the bills rush defense is just that bad, slaton's still gonna have his starting job but if he fumbles again this week the axe is gonna start to fall and if it goes any further its gonna be curtains

 

[TommyGilmore]

O yea it was most definitely the game of Moat's life the bills rush defense is just that bad, slaton's still gonna have his starting job but if he fumbles again this week the axe is gonna start to fall and if it goes any further its gonna be curtains

The same could have been said after almost every game this year."If Slaton fumbles again, the axe will start to fall""If Slaton keeps fumbling, he'll get benched."

 

[footballnerd]

HOU should hire Tiki Barber to show Slaton the way to overcome the fumbles.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

The same could have been said after almost every game this year."If Slaton fumbles again, the axe will start to fall""If Slaton keeps fumbling, he'll get benched."

FWIW, they finally DID bench him. (Just pointing that out. I have no dog in this fight in any league.)I don't think for a second this is going to be Ryan Moats' new 100% gig, but he's almost certainly garnered himself more touches per week(at least for a few weeks anyway) to see what happens. Yeah, it was against the Bills....but he didn't put the ball on the ground, he got the yards that were available to him and he put it in the EZ. You can't ask for much more than that. If I were Steve Slaton, I would be making gaddam sure I didn't fumble again.

 

[VaTerp]

A few comments to add here:

1) Anybody making negative comments about Kubiak or blaming anyone or anything other than Steve Slaton for his benching simply doesnt know what they are talking about. They teach you at every level of football from Pop Warner to the NFL that if you continue to put the ball on the ground as a RB you will NOT PLAY. Period. There is too much on the line for a coach to give you the football and not trust that you can protect the football. In just over 7 games Slaton has lost 5 out of 7 fumbles and has had at least 2 other fumbles overturned on replay. That is unacceptable at any level especially the NFL.

2) Slaton has not performed in the run game all year. Im sure the O-line is partly to blame but the guy is barely averaging 3 yards per carry. That too, is unacceptable. And I know this has been debated on here before but I dont care what anyone says. Ive watched the guy run since he was a freshman at WVU. For whatever reason, he is clearly not as decisive or explosive as he has been in the past. Yes, he has done well as a receiver and made some big plays but some people are acting like he is unbenchable. When you combine the fumbling problems with the low production in the run game, his performance this year does not warrant all of the people coming to his defense at the level that they are.

3) I think Ryan Moats is being sold a bit short by some people. Yes, his performance was against the Bills but as others have pointed out Slaton has not run nearly as well in other favorable match ups this year. I also see people saying that he has problems picking up blitzers and his own ball security issues based on his play in Philly. Well, Moats only played in 15 games in Philly. He did fumble 3 times but only lost 1 and hasnt fumbled since albeit with limited touches. And a lot of young RBs struggle with pass protection so Im not going to assume that he hasnt improved in that area. Also, Ive seen some people suggest that he didnt catch passes in Philly but one of the reasons they drafted him was b/c of his versatility and the belief that he could do some things out of the backfield that Westbrook does. Overall, Im not saying that Moats is a great player or even a long term starter in the NFL but for FF purposes for the rest of the year I think he is more than capable of putting up good numbers for half a season given the right situation. Drew Bennett and Ladell Betts come to mind here.

Now, I know some people are thinking that these are obviously the hopeful sentiments of someone who picked up Moats. Well, I did pick up Moats but Im also a Slaton owner who was extremely high on him all summer. Slaton has actually done pretty well in my PPR league that thankfully doesnt deduct for fumbles BUT Im not blind. He has not looked right all year and the fumbles are extremely irritating to me so I can only imagine how Kubiack feels.

My guess is that right now we are looking at a RBBC where neither Slaton or Moats has much more value than a flex play. But my hope is that either Slaton gets his act together with the fumbles AND his ypc or they just sit his butt on the bench and give Moats the chance at 20 touches a game. That offense is too good (Hopefully even with Daniels out) to not have a top 10 FF RB on it.

 

[Knobs]

I have no idea who VaTerp is but with a post as great as that one I feel like I'm going to have to start stalking him.

 

[chem]

So, what's Slaton's value like now? Slaton versus Moreno? Slaton versus Grant? Slaton versus Lynch? In PPR, they all seem kinda similar. I guess Grant is the best of the bunch.