No Uproar For Timmons? (1 Viewer)

[Alex96]

I'm rather shocked that no one in the sporting community is making a peep about Timmons stomping on Ricky Williams and ending his season.

I know people don't like Ricky, and for good reason. But, it seems a bit ridiculous that Timmons is getting off free. The dude purposely stomped on a defenseless player, regardless of who that was. I don't see much difference in this to what Haynesworth did last year. Sure, initially stepping on someone's face seems worse. But, the results have obviously been worse for Ricky. I guess everyone is just pretending like Timmons didn't do it on purpose, which is just ridiculous.

Combine this with the way the Steelers took Palmer out in the playoffs two years ago, and I think the Steelers may be turning into the trash of the NFL. Like the new Raiders or something.

 

[Eviloutsider]

I'm rather shocked that no one in the sporting community is making a peep about Timmons stomping on Ricky Williams and ending his season.I know people don't like Ricky, and for good reason. But, it seems a bit ridiculous that Timmons is getting off free. The dude purposely stomped on a defenseless player, regardless of who that was. I don't see much difference in this to what Haynesworth did last year. Sure, initially stepping on someone's face seems worse. But, the results have obviously been worse for Ricky. I guess everyone is just pretending like Timmons didn't do it on purpose, which is just ridiculous.Combine this with the way the Steelers took Palmer out in the playoffs two years ago, and I think the Steelers may be turning into the trash of the NFL. Like the new Raiders or something.

I guess I am ridiculous as I didn't think he did it on purpose. People get stepped on all the time in football. If you don't want to get stepped on down let them take you the the ground.

 

[Jous]

I'm rather shocked that no one in the sporting community is making a peep about Timmons stomping on Ricky Williams and ending his season.I know people don't like Ricky, and for good reason. But, it seems a bit ridiculous that Timmons is getting off free. The dude purposely stomped on a defenseless player, regardless of who that was. I don't see much difference in this to what Haynesworth did last year. Sure, initially stepping on someone's face seems worse. But, the results have obviously been worse for Ricky. I guess everyone is just pretending like Timmons didn't do it on purpose, which is just ridiculous.Combine this with the way the Steelers took Palmer out in the playoffs two years ago, and I think the Steelers may be turning into the trash of the NFL. Like the new Raiders or something.

Are you kidding me? Neither the Timmons nor Palmer hits were intentional. Ricky fumbled and there was a mass scrambling to get the ball, Timmons happened to accidentally step on Williams when running towards the ball.And not to but people look dumber and dumber the longer they keep implying that the hit on Palmer was intentional.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I don't know if he really wasn't trying to step on him, but considering the conditions on the field...it's hard to judge. The footing was really bad and he was trying to get to the ball (fumble). It sure didn't look good though because it looks as though he tried to use him a spring board of sorts.

 

[beavers]

I'm rather shocked that no one in the sporting community is making a peep about Timmons stomping on Ricky Williams and ending his season.I know people don't like Ricky, and for good reason. But, it seems a bit ridiculous that Timmons is getting off free. The dude purposely stomped on a defenseless player, regardless of who that was. I don't see much difference in this to what Haynesworth did last year. Sure, initially stepping on someone's face seems worse. But, the results have obviously been worse for Ricky. I guess everyone is just pretending like Timmons didn't do it on purpose, which is just ridiculous.Combine this with the way the Steelers took Palmer out in the playoffs two years ago, and I think the Steelers may be turning into the trash of the NFL. Like the new Raiders or something.

A ball is fumbled. Players scramble. Someone got stepped on. Happens all of the time.So every player who gets hurt against the Steelers a dirty play?

 

[treat88]

Anyone who thinks this was intentional is a moron.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Honestly I didn't think twice about it being intentional when I saw it, could be me but , the commentators replayed it a didnt think a thing of it either.

When your in the trenches anything can happen, I've had my hands stepped on by cleats in the trenches and will even confess .. I've pulled a RB down by the nuts before in the trenches and I've been punched and spit on in the trenches. Its one of the few places the crowd and the television cant get too.

But again this particular incident was an accident

 

[moose162]

video?

 

[Rushmore]

Honestly I didn't think twice about it being intentional when I saw it, could be me but , the commentators replayed it a didnt think a thing of it either.When your in the trenches anything can happen, I've had my hands stepped on by cleats in the trenches and will even confess .. I've pulled a RB down by the nuts before in the trenches and I've been punched and spit on in the trenches. Its one of the few places the crowd and the television cant get too.But again this particular incident was an accident

- And I hate the Steelers.

 

[JoeSteeler]

video?

1:10 mark video

 

[Alex96]

I'm sorry. I tried as hard as possible to convince myself that he didn't do it on purpose. Of course, people get stepped on accidentally in football all of the time. But, there is absolutely no way that Timmons did that on accident. He extended his leg extremely far. No one runs like that naturally. It was practically a jump kick.

But, hey, guys always get their backs accidentally stepped on so hard their chest muscles get torn. Happens all the time.

 

[RC94]

Anyone who thinks this was intentional is a moron.

This isn't being excellent.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I'm sorry. I tried as hard as possible to convince myself that he didn't do it on purpose. Of course, people get stepped on accidentally in football all of the time. But, there is absolutely no way that Timmons did that on accident. He extended his leg extremely far. No one runs like that naturally. It was practically a jump kick.But, hey, guys always get their backs accidentally stepped on so hard their chest muscles get torn. Happens all the time.

He's jumping over the legs of the O lineman (70) and trying to avoid the head of his teammate (92) while landing.

 

[tpiddy]

And pulling someone down by the nuts is?

 

[Alex96]

OK. I guess I'll just disagree. But, at least I can see why there may not be the uproar that I had expected.

 

[bolldpt]

Oh I agree with you alex. Timmons did it intentionally. No doubt in my mind. Ball was out and He does a "cut and pivot" move on his shoulder. I agree I really thought there would be some sort of talk about it but I am really surprised that isnt the case.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

The first few times I saw it, I thought it was accidental. However, I just saw another angle of it and it definitely looked like he did it on purpose. It was a side view and he was pretty clearly in control of where he was going/what he was doing.

For all the plays in football week in week out, year round, you rarely see someone get stomped on that squarely. So that would also indicate to me it was purposeful.

Think if it had been Adrian Peterson instead...

 

[BoulderBob]

I noticed it during the game, and assumed the refs just missed it(I'm sure these mouth-breathers pull this kind of crap all the time)...

Sorry folks, check your medication if you think that wasn't intentional. It was a strategic move, but a cheap-shot nonetheless...

 

[treat88]

Anyone who thinks this was intentional is a moron.

This isn't being excellent.

Wasn't intended to be.Saw the game and several angles of the replay. Timmons slipped as he started to jump the pile to recover the fumble and came down awkwardly on Ricky. Ricky was just starting to push down with his arm to get up placing the pec on max stretch. The combination of forces popped the muscle.If ya'll want to think that as Timmons approached the pile of players that he had both the malicious thought and the athletic ability to leap perfectly to land on a downed player and then proceed to recover the fumble that's your bad.It's unequivocal it wasn't intentional. The moron comment stands. Sorry if it applies to you.

 

[RC94]

Anyone who thinks this was intentional is a moron.

This isn't being excellent.

Wasn't intended to be.Saw the game and several angles of the replay. Timmons slipped as he started to jump the pile to recover the fumble and came down awkwardly on Ricky. Ricky was just starting to push down with his arm to get up placing the pec on max stretch. The combination of forces popped the muscle.If ya'll want to think that as Timmons approached the pile of players that he had both the malicious thought and the athletic ability to leap perfectly to land on a downed player and then proceed to recover the fumble that's your bad.It's unequivocal it wasn't intentional. The moron comment stands. Sorry if it applies to you.

I never said I thought he did it on purpose, but I also don't need to call people a moron to get my point across or if someone doesn't agree with me.

 

[LMF]

Anyone who thinks this was intentional is a moron.

This isn't being excellent.

Wasn't intended to be.Saw the game and several angles of the replay. Timmons slipped as he started to jump the pile to recover the fumble and came down awkwardly on Ricky. Ricky was just starting to push down with his arm to get up placing the pec on max stretch. The combination of forces popped the muscle.

If ya'll want to think that as Timmons approached the pile of players that he had both the malicious thought and the athletic ability to leap perfectly to land on a downed player and then proceed to recover the fumble that's your bad.

It's unequivocal it wasn't intentional. The moron comment stands. Sorry if it applies to you.

WOW!! You know exactly what Timmons was thinking! That must of been you!

 

[treat88]

Anyone who thinks this was intentional is a moron.

This isn't being excellent.

Wasn't intended to be.Saw the game and several angles of the replay. Timmons slipped as he started to jump the pile to recover the fumble and came down awkwardly on Ricky. Ricky was just starting to push down with his arm to get up placing the pec on max stretch. The combination of forces popped the muscle.If ya'll want to think that as Timmons approached the pile of players that he had both the malicious thought and the athletic ability to leap perfectly to land on a downed player and then proceed to recover the fumble that's your bad.It's unequivocal it wasn't intentional. The moron comment stands. Sorry if it applies to you.

I never said I thought he did it on purpose, but I also don't need to call people a moron to get my point across or if someone doesn't agree with me.

Comment wasn't directed at you specifically. Directed at those calling it intentional. Got's to call'em like ya see'em sometimes.

 

[[scooter]]

Anyone who thinks this was intentional is a moron.

Fixed.

 

[D_House]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that ol' treat88 here is a Steelers fan.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Anyone who thinks this was intentional is a moron.

This isn't being excellent.

Wasn't intended to be.Saw the game and several angles of the replay. Timmons slipped as he started to jump the pile to recover the fumble and came down awkwardly on Ricky. Ricky was just starting to push down with his arm to get up placing the pec on max stretch. The combination of forces popped the muscle.If ya'll want to think that as Timmons approached the pile of players that he had both the malicious thought and the athletic ability to leap perfectly to land on a downed player and then proceed to recover the fumble that's your bad.It's unequivocal it wasn't intentional. The moron comment stands. Sorry if it applies to you.

I never said I thought he did it on purpose, but I also don't need to call people a moron to get my point across or if someone doesn't agree with me.

Comment wasn't directed at you specifically. Directed at those calling it intentional. Got's to call'em like ya see'em sometimes.

You should read a bit around here until you figure out what he meant by "being excellent".People like you are the reason this site gets worse and worse every year, and you don't even realize it.

 

[Alex96]

Hell, I was fast forwarding through the game at that point, and even at that speed it jumped out at me that he intentionally did it. So, even though I intended to get through the game faster, I went back and watched it a few times and waited...and waited to hear one of the commentators say anything about it.

The fact that he had to completely stretch his leg out to reach Ricky, instead of just landing in a normal gait, pretty much seals it in my mind that he did it intentionally. It's clearly a stomping motion, and only in that light is there anything natural about the motion.

I'm cool if there's a difference of opinion. And, I don't mind being called a moron. I've been called much worse by the all too common omniscient message board show-off.

 

[treat88]

You should read a bit around here until you figure out what he meant by "being excellent".People like you are the reason this site gets worse and worse every year, and you don't even realize it.

Fair enough. Personally, I think it's folks who don't understand the game and call something like this either dirty or malicious that drag the board down.I get the be excellent comment but was frustrated by what I saw as ignorance.I will tone down the opinion and work on my ability to play well with others for future posts.With no sarcasm intended, thanks.

 

[j3r3m3y]

You should read a bit around here until you figure out what he meant by "being excellent".People like you are the reason this site gets worse and worse every year, and you don't even realize it.

Fair enough. Personally, I think it's folks who don't understand the game and call something like this either dirty or malicious that drag the board down.I get the be excellent comment but was frustrated by what I saw as ignorance.I will tone down the opinion and work on my ability to play well with others for future posts.With no sarcasm intended, thanks.

Wow, a much more down to earth response than I expected. I like the cut of your jib.This one's on me.

 

[notapplicable]

Didn't see it as intentional...

 

[certificate]

It's definitely suspicious. I'm only willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because of the field, but in a normal game, that doesnt happen like that.

 

[Billy1x]

I'm rather shocked that no one in the sporting community is making a peep about Timmons stomping on Ricky Williams and ending his season.I know people don't like Ricky, and for good reason. But, it seems a bit ridiculous that Timmons is getting off free. The dude purposely stomped on a defenseless player, regardless of who that was. I don't see much difference in this to what Haynesworth did last year. Sure, initially stepping on someone's face seems worse. But, the results have obviously been worse for Ricky. I guess everyone is just pretending like Timmons didn't do it on purpose, which is just ridiculous.Combine this with the way the Steelers took Palmer out in the playoffs two years ago, and I think the Steelers may be turning into the trash of the NFL. Like the new Raiders or something.

I guess I am ridiculous as I didn't think he did it on purpose. People get stepped on all the time in football. If you don't want to get stepped on down let them take you the the ground.

I believe its a penalty to use another player to launch yourself. IMO. Instead of hitting soft ground he deliberately used Ricky to launch himself and recover the ball. I would have thrown the yellow flag and given the ball back to Miami.

 

[Debeucci]

from the espn angles, it looks like timmons was at the end of a jump, and extending to avoid landing on his teammate while trying to stop his own momentum at the same time. with that being said, if ricky were wearing a black and yellow jersey, i think timmons would have found a way to avoid stepping on him.

 

[Das Boot]

Is there any more video with other angles besides the nfl.com game summary link above?

I'd like to see the other views people are talking about - the nfl.com view only shows the leg coming into the picture to step on the shoulder, no way to tell from that view whether it was avoidable or intentional.

 

[footballnerd]

It definitely looks like he extended his leg intentionally to step on Ricky. My assumption is he was trying to prevent Ricky from scrambling to get the fumble, a little "keep your ### down" bump before he dived for the ball. Definitely intentional, but not wrong IMO.

 

[Das Boot]

Is there any more video with other angles besides the nfl.com game summary link above?

I'd like to see the other views people are talking about - the nfl.com view only shows the leg coming into the picture to step on the shoulder, no way to tell from that view whether it was avoidable or intentional.

Play starts at 1:19 mark at this link: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804931eeI was expecting to conclude it was intentional, but I don't think so from watching the above angle.

Timmons was running full speed on a sloppy field (understatement), first had to hop jump over the Dolphins lineman, then took a 2nd larger step over a teammate on the ground, then spotted the loose football and had to plant and reverse his direction.

He may not have even been able to see Ricky clearly over the 2 guys he was was high stepping over until he was already in the air.

Understandably he was planting hard to go for the fumble - in that game a turnover was huge.

At best inconclusive, but looking at that play at game speed, on that field, I definitely don't think it was intentional.

 

[SSOG]

Anyone who thinks this was intentional is a moron.

This isn't being excellent.

Wasn't intended to be.Saw the game and several angles of the replay. Timmons slipped as he started to jump the pile to recover the fumble and came down awkwardly on Ricky. Ricky was just starting to push down with his arm to get up placing the pec on max stretch. The combination of forces popped the muscle.

If ya'll want to think that as Timmons approached the pile of players that he had both the malicious thought and the athletic ability to leap perfectly to land on a downed player and then proceed to recover the fumble that's your bad.

It's unequivocal it wasn't intentional. The moron comment stands. Sorry if it applies to you.

WOW!! You know exactly what Timmons was thinking! That must of been you!

The "wasn't intended to be" was in response to "this isn't being excellent". RCA said Treat wasn't being nice, and Treat said he wasn't intending to be nice. That was not a reference to what Timmons may or may not have been thinking.

 

[strong]

I watched it several times and it looks pretty intentional to me.

But the field conditions add a little doubt in my mind as to the player's intentions... It is possible that he was losing his footing a bit...

Or that he was avoiding his teammate and chose to step on a white jersey as opposed to black.

It's possible...

Also, it's pretty bizarre that the stomp ended Williams' season. So while I think the player made a deliberate attempt (during a high speed play) to step on his opponent's shoulder, it wasn't nearly as malicious as going for another player's knee... which is why I think that it isn't getting the same attention some other (potentially) intentional actions have.

IMO

 

[bcr8f]

I'm rather shocked that no one in the sporting community is making a peep about Timmons stomping on Ricky Williams and ending his season.I know people don't like Ricky, and for good reason. But, it seems a bit ridiculous that Timmons is getting off free. The dude purposely stomped on a defenseless player, regardless of who that was. I don't see much difference in this to what Haynesworth did last year. Sure, initially stepping on someone's face seems worse. But, the results have obviously been worse for Ricky. I guess everyone is just pretending like Timmons didn't do it on purpose, which is just ridiculous.Combine this with the way the Steelers took Palmer out in the playoffs two years ago, and I think the Steelers may be turning into the trash of the NFL. Like the new Raiders or something.

A ball is fumbled. Players scramble. Someone got stepped on. Happens all of the time.So every player who gets hurt against the Steelers a dirty play?

No just the ones that go out of their way to hit people.

 

[coolnerd]

from the espn angles, it looks like timmons was at the end of a jump, and extending to avoid landing on his teammate while trying to stop his own momentum at the same time. with that being said, if ricky were wearing a black and yellow jersey, i think timmons would have found a way to avoid stepping on him.

This is the most accurae in my opinion. I know this sounds like a game of semantics, but Timmons did nothing to avoid stepping on Williams versus going out of his way to step on or not step on Ricky.

 

[Yitbos69]

video?

1:10 mark video

I never thought it was intentional until I watched this Video.....looks pretty clear that he did it on purpose

 

[Futeki]

from the espn angles, it looks like timmons was at the end of a jump, and extending to avoid landing on his teammate while trying to stop his own momentum at the same time. with that being said, if ricky were wearing a black and yellow jersey, i think timmons would have found a way to avoid stepping on him.

This is the most accurae in my opinion. I know this sounds like a game of semantics, but Timmons did nothing to avoid stepping on Williams versus going out of his way to step on or not step on Ricky.

Spot on. It was not intentional, but he didn't avoid it (and I don't like the Steelers at all).

 

[twitch]

Id love to view that Timmons stomp as 'dirty'. I just cant. I think its more unfortunate than anything. It looked like he may have stepped on him with intention to maintain his balance after clearing that fallen Miami lineman, but I dont think for a second that injuring Ricky Williams on that play ever entered his mind. 'Dirty' play imo involves intentionally trying to injure someone. I saw that play as a random, accidental injury that occured more as a result of that hideous field than anything else. So, Timmons shouldnt earn any kind of dirty player label from this incident, imo. Definitely not a Steelers fan either, so I have no reason for any bias here. But I can certainly understand how opinions can vary on the play. Viewing the play several times can pretty much clear it up. But it sucks that Williams is done for the season as a result of the play.

Change your field, Pittsburgh. Please. Steelers fans, please create as much outcry as possible. Im giving that D no respect right now as long as theyre getting shutouts against weak opponents in that slop and losing the majority of their games on the road. None. Two words. Field turf.

 

[JaxBill]

I think Timmons was trying to run by him at first then tried to change direction to go get the loose ball. He was just trying to clean his cleats for the cut. No, but seriously, I don't think it was intentional at all.

 

[Bri]

You should read a bit around here until you figure out what he meant by "being excellent".People like you are the reason this site gets worse and worse every year, and you don't even realize it.

Fair enough. Personally, I think it's folks who don't understand the game and call something like this either dirty or malicious that drag the board down.I get the be excellent comment but was frustrated by what I saw as ignorance.I will tone down the opinion and work on my ability to play well with others for future posts.With no sarcasm intended, thanks.

good save

 

[maxwell1295]

Things look a lot different in slow-mo. At game speed there's no way he did that intentionally...

 

[KellysHeroes]

I need to see the whole play... all I ever see is Ricky fallin / fumbling and then he gets planted on... from that I am not going to say that Timmons did it on purpose; he could of been charging to make the hit, lost his footing and things happen.

Now if you had an above the top view and you can clearly see him change direction to step on Ricky... we would have a story.

Also, lets keep it real... if this was LT2, ADP, or another Super-star talent.. people would be making more of this. Look what happened when ADP got hurt by a clean hit in the Packers game... their was some whispers that they did it on purpose or their was a "bounty" on his head.

 

[PatrickT]

Anyone who thinks this was intentional is a moron.

Anyone who thinks this was not intentional is a moron. Now, guess we settled that, huh?

 

[Alex96]

Also, lets keep it real... if this was LT2, ADP, or another Super-star talent.. people would be making more of this. Look what happened when ADP got hurt by a clean hit in the Packers game... their was some whispers that they did it on purpose or their was a "bounty" on his head.

Exactly. Even worse, imagine if it were Tom Brady. I guess that's what gets at me the most.

 

[Yitbos69]

I need to see the whole play... all I ever see is Ricky fallin / fumbling and then he gets planted on... from that I am not going to say that Timmons did it on purpose; he could of been charging to make the hit, lost his footing and things happen.

Now if you had an above the top view and you can clearly see him change direction to step on Ricky... we would have a story.

Also, lets keep it real... if this was LT2, ADP, or another Super-star talent.. people would be making more of this. Look what happened when ADP got hurt by a clean hit in the Packers game... their was some whispers that they did it on purpose or their was a "bounty" on his head.

This gives you the whole play....... around 1:10 markhttp://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804931ee

 

[faulkfan]

I do think he intentionally extended his leg towards Ricky, HOWEVER, I think the goal was to block Ricky from extending his arm and recovering the ball. I don't think he was trying to be malicious or injure anyone.