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ya, that one quarter of play sealed the deal for me!!!
This post makes no sense. Mcnabb is just not that good. Vick is far superior right now, and Kolb is a good project. If i was the Eagles, i'd much rather have Vick starting over Mcnabb with Kolb training in the wings...oh yeah, plus what they got for the trade!
Sorry to pick you to quote, this actually goes out to all Eagle fans. Are you all a bunch of ungrateful farts? I mean my God, McNabb is a great quarterback and he carried your sorry ###ed team on his back for nearly a decade. You wouldn't have had near the success or close calls that you did have if it wasn't for McNabb, and you ungrateful farts don't even appreciate him. That is sad in my opinion. I lived through plenty of close calls as a Bronco fan during the early to mid Elway years, I watched them lose 3 Superbowls with Elway. Ya know what? Bronco fans were praising Elway, making arguments for why he should still be in the Hall of Fame even if he never wins the big one. Obviously he did, so the point is moot, but my point is that this is the same attitude Philly fans should have had about Donovan instead of throwing him under the bus. I want to hear from a Philly fan that appreciates what Donovan did for the team, and the city, because all the bad mouthers don't seem like real fans to me. You could have done a lot worse than Mcnabb for the last decade in my opinion.
As a fantasy football site, it would be really cool if we could just stick to fantasy relevant discussion. A Skins fan taking pot shots at the Eagles just doesn't do it for me - I don't care about your warped perspective. The Eagles decided - for whatever reason - to move on. You should too.I like McNabb. I like the Skins.. probably more than the Eagles. But there are MILLIONS of fans who just see things through filtered lenses. Your team bad! My team good! Give it a rest, please?
I wouldn't say Vick is far superior to McNabb, that's a little premature. I think PHI tried to get value for an aging vet with a high profile name, believing that they had the heir apparent in Kolb. Kolb gets hurt, Vick comes in a lights it up, PHI now realizes that with their current line, Vick gives them the best chance for success while letting Kolb still bake in the oven. Defenses will figure Vick out just like they did in the past. I remember the Bucs totally taking Vick out of his game back in the day, with a great defense albeit, but still. Then we'll see if it's the same old Vick, the one who struggled being an NFL QB.So for now Vick takes the place of McNabb and they are right where they were + a draft pick. If Vick steps up and shows he can run an NFL offense, then we may have a permanent replacement, but for now I still view Vick as a short timer on audition. The only disaster that can become of this is if the Skins sweep the Eagles.
Their treatment over the years and their current attitude both towards McNabb just demonstrates why the reputation the average Philly sports fan has is well-deserved. It's like the forgot how terrible the team was before Reid and McNabb got there. I remember watching an Eagles/Rams Thursday night game in '98 and thinking, "My God, these are two horrible teams and franchises."
Topic should have ended here.
You don't think that trade had fantasy implications? You don't think that the success (or failure) of that trade has implications for the players we might draft from Philadelphia?
Mcnabb was 1 - 5 in championship series against a really weak NFC. Was it all him? No. I feel Reid should have fallen on his sword and gone before McNabb ever did. McNabb was forced into a system that went against all of his skill sets from the get go. He was a motion QB with a cannon arm and superior play action fake skills forced into a quick read short pass offense. WTF!!?? It was horrible coaching from the start. McNabb should never pass 40 times, let alone 60 times a game. His touch and accuracy short to mid range were pedestrian at best. His gift was.. and still is... his laser cannon of an arm. He can throw the ball 80 yards on a dead run. He also has the best fake handoff move in the game. No one else in the league can do that. When Mcnabb 1st came out he also has the foot speed ability to break blitzes and run, until his knee injuries. So what did Reid do with a huge weapon like that? He forces him into a pocket read offense that stresses the short and medium quick pass. Completely against everything McNabb could do well. Reid killed this team's chances not McNabb and 90% of the Philly fans know that.The 20 guys the rest of you lemmings love to quote were part of a sports radio gimmick on draft day that wanted Ricky Williams. They had nothing to do with the Philly fan, but the lazy ESPN reporters jumped on it and made the false true.McNabb was loved here as much as Dawkins and was greeted with nothing but standing ovations every game. I know because I was there.Will he get boos when he comes here next playing for the Redskins? You bet your ### he will. But the boos will be 10x as loud when he scores. Those will be aimed at Reid and his fat underachieving ###.McNabb will always be a hero here.
Good!Mcnabb was 1 - 5 in championship series against a really weak NFC. Was it all him? No. I feel Reid should have fallen on his sword and gone before McNabb ever did. McNabb was forced into a system that went against all of his skill sets from the get go. He was a motion QB with a cannon arm and superior play action fake skills forced into a quick read short pass offense. WTF!!?? It was horrible coaching from the start. McNabb should never pass 40 times, let alone 60 times a game. His touch and accuracy short to mid range were pedestrian at best. His gift was.. and still is... his laser cannon of an arm. He can throw the ball 80 yards on a dead run. He also has the best fake handoff move in the game. No one else in the league can do that. When Mcnabb 1st came out he also has the foot speed ability to break blitzes and run, until his knee injuries. So what did Reid do with a huge weapon like that? He forces him into a pocket read offense that stresses the short and medium quick pass. Completely against everything McNabb could do well. Reid killed this team's chances not McNabb and 90% of the Philly fans know that.The 20 guys the rest of you lemmings love to quote were part of a sports radio gimmick on draft day that wanted Ricky Williams. They had nothing to do with the Philly fan, but the lazy ESPN reporters jumped on it and made the false true.McNabb was loved here as much as Dawkins and was greeted with nothing but standing ovations every game. I know because I was there.Will he get boos when he comes here next playing for the Redskins? You bet your ### he will. But the boos will be 10x as loud when he scores. Those will be aimed at Reid and his fat underachieving ###.McNabb will always be a hero here.Their treatment over the years and their current attitude both towards McNabb just demonstrates why the reputation the average Philly sports fan has is well-deserved. It's like the forgot how terrible the team was before Reid and McNabb got there. I remember watching an Eagles/Rams Thursday night game in '98 and thinking, "My God, these are two horrible teams and franchises."
He should be a hero. This is what I want to hear. The one's calling Donovan a choker are taking the easy way out. You gave a good analysis of why all those championship games were lost, there's almmost always more to it than "he choked". As far as booing him when he comes into Philly to play this season, have at it, I'd expect nothing less, hero or not, the home team comes first no matter where you are.
How about we not wait and instead jump to speculative conclusions based on what we know right now?Really? We're making accurate evaluations after 2 games now?
I wouldn't be embarrassed. I don't think it was a good trade at all and there were threads in the Shark Pool all summer long about it. I know I posted on several occassions that I hope this trade comes back and bites Philadelphia in the butt. I don't like Washington and I don't like Philadelphia....but I like a guy like Donovan McNabb who's given everything he's got for a city and they threw him to the curb.That's fine, it's a business but my favorite teams (Dallas and Detroit) and players mean more to me than just the name on the jersey. Even though I can't do anything about those types of moves, I hated seeing Emmitt Smith go to the Cardinals at the end of his career, never should have happened, doesn't matter that he wasn't the same RB or wanted a million or two more than what Jones was willing to give. Look what they're giving that piece of crap Roy Williams. They undervalued McNabb and overrated Kolb and these first two weeks only validated what I many thought all summer long. So if you're only coming to this conclusion after seeing these 2 weeks I would say yes, it's too early. If you had a strong feeling on this from the get go, then this only validates what you were thinking. Maybe Kolb will end up being a STUD in a few years, that I can't tell but many Philly fans were hoping Kolb could come in and play up to the level they saw last year, not going to happen.....at least for awhile.It's ironic that Philly went from cheering for their franchise QB in McNabb who led them to 4 or 5 NFC Championship games, a super bowl appearance to Mike Vick, a guy who's never done anything in the playoffs and voted the No.1 most hated player in sports today, followed by Tiger Woods.If you don't think at this point that trade was fail, then you are definately a person that views things half full, which is great. The ship hasn't sunk on this trade but the boat has a few holes in it. Wait till Mike Vick pulls a hammy after doing pretty well on the field and this kid Kolb comes in and plays poorly, I'm sure the Philly crowd will be very gentle with him.
I had a judge in high school forensics say she didn't understand exactly what my solution was as she had never heard of a waitancy policy.
First once you say all Eagles fans and start giving your opinion like it's a fact it makes you even worse but that's just my OPINION. As for McNabb most Eagles fans thought he was a good Qb on the field but unless you live in or around Philly you will never understand how much of a baby he really is. McNabb has thrown teammates under the bus and takes pop shots at the fans every chance he got from day one when a handful of fans who were brought there to boo any pick that wasn't Ricky Williams by a radio guy. Is he a good Qb yes but he has also choked a whined for the last 10 years and most people never felt like he could win that big game so SOME were happy to see him go but if you listen to the LOCAL radio or message boards there were a lot that wanted him to stay another year or even retire here. As for the trade I was glad for McNabb and the Eagles because both seemed to want out and the Eagles got a very good FS for the future and another pick and McNabb got his chance to leave. You also wrote everything McNabb did for the team and city but what did he do for the city because every chance he got he left for Arizona. Philly is very hard on some players always will be but there are also fans that sell out every game for teams that give their all unlike other cities where playoff game can't sell out let alone season games. You ask guys like Jaws who were also booed but had much tougher skin and they will tell Philly fans are tough but great. You ask guys like Mike Schmidt and McNabb and they will whine because they are soft it just like real life some people are much tougher on the inside then others.
This is really not a very wise statement. Quarterbacking in the NFL is all about good judgment: being able to read through your progressions, understanding of defenses, being mindful of the secondary. McNabb has demonstrated throughout his career an ability to do these things 1000x better than Michael Vick. Vick can run, and he has a big arm, and he has always shown an incredible lack of judgment. So far this year Vick has moved the ball against a Packer defense that thought they had the game won and so went into prevent mode, and a Lion defense that remains one of the very worst in the NFL. He has always performed well in such situations. But as all Atlanta fans could tell you, it's when he faces decent or good defenses that it all starts to fall apart. He will make one mistake after another, and it will cost you the game. McNabb is certainly not flawless, but he has never consistently made the bonehead plays that Vick does. And as far as heart goes- McNabb withstood some of the toughest criticism I have ever seen against an NFL QB- most of it, IMO, undeserved- and still gave 100% effort every time on the field. He is a leader and a warrior. Vick is a sullen guy who will be quick to pout and publicly blame others the minute things go wrong. He is also, frankly, a bad person, not somebody I would ever want leading my team even if he did have the mental skills to do it, which he lacks.
Pfffft.... he's looked goood, yea... but c'mon. Green Bay wasn't game planning for him (and Vick definitely demands a unique gameplan from most QBs)... and his other game was the Lions. Who are... the Lions,
The Lions are easily the most improved team in the NFL. Nothing great, but they are an average football team who will be competitive every week, and pretty exciting to watch.Pfffft.... he's looked goood, yea... but c'mon. Green Bay wasn't game planning for him (and Vick definitely demands a unique gameplan from most QBs)... and his other game was the Lions. Who are... the Lions,
maybe on the defensive line, because of one guy. I would not call Detroit average yet, they are still a below average team no matter how you slice it right now.The Lions are easily the most improved team in the NFL. Nothing great, but they are an average football team who will be competitive every week, and pretty exciting to watch.Pfffft.... he's looked goood, yea... but c'mon. Green Bay wasn't game planning for him (and Vick definitely demands a unique gameplan from most QBs)... and his other game was the Lions. Who are... the Lions,I don't think people understand exactly how well Vick is playing.
If Farve does not pull his head out of his butt, the Vikings are going to lose this week against them. The Lions have played better than the Vikings so far.maybe on the defensive line, because of one guy. I would not call Detroit average yet, they are still a below average team no matter how you slice it right now.The Lions are easily the most improved team in the NFL. Nothing great, but they are an average football team who will be competitive every week, and pretty exciting to watch.Pfffft.... he's looked goood, yea... but c'mon. Green Bay wasn't game planning for him (and Vick definitely demands a unique gameplan from most QBs)... and his other game was the Lions. Who are... the Lions,
That's my point. They already BENCHED the guy they were going to play McNabb over. They have gotten lucky with Vick's play.Cassius said:
My point is that Vick had to save them. The plan was to play Kolb, who they benched.Sabertooth said:
That wasn't the plan. The plan was Kolb. The plan was a DISASTER.jon_mx said:
How about we evaluate them now. Oops, Kolb isn't playing.Joe Summer said:Really? We're making accurate evaluations after 2 games now?
Their guy is on the bench. Hail!VaTerp said:
Agreed!!raidergil said:
Who cares what the plan was? They didn't trade Mcnabb for Kolb, they traded Mcnabb assuming they could replace him with someone already on their roster. The guy they thought they could replace him with was wrong, but the idea that they could replace him appears to be right so they got a bunch of draft picks at the expense of getting better play out of their QB. How is that a disaster?Was playing Trent Green in the preseason a total disaster for the Rams? Trent Green got hurt, but that meant that they had to play Kurt Warner and their franchise was completely turned around.
Sorry, they did in fact trade McNabb intending to play Kolb. That was clearly a mistake. And your Ram story is not at all analogous.
Again, who cares what the plan was? The title of this thread is that the trade was a disaster, not that the plan was a disaster.It's not like Kolb was benched for poor play, he only played a quarter. He was benched because the other guy was playing so well, a guy that never would have seen the field otherwise.
I don't think people understand exactly how well Vick is playing.
