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Norm Chow FIRED (1 Viewer)

If this is true, the Titans are STUPID!

Chow made Young and White play at a higher level than they normally could.

 
Apparently the Titans granted permission for Neuheisel to talk to Chow very recently.

link from yesterday

One thing I continually hear as I check around about what is going on with UCLA's offensive coordinator position is that Rick Neuheisel does not want to make a hire until he speaks with Norm Chow. According to sources, the delay stemmed from UCLA asking the Tennessee Titans again for permission to speak with Chow, and that permission was finally granted.

However, as of Monday, I was told Neuheisel and Chow were yet to speak. Also, I'm told Neuheisel is leaving the state recruiting today.
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My guess is that Fisher already had a change in mind and has another OC in his pocket. Fish wouldn't make a move like this if he didn't.

Tennessee Titans 2008 -- with a new DC and a new OC.

Something in the back of my mind keeps saying Cam Cameron. Might just be the voices, though.

 
switz said:
sho nuff said:
switz said:
If this is true, the Titans are STUPID!Chow made Young and White play at a higher level than they normally could.
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Umm...huh?
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Reading comprehension down?Young played better because of Chow, White played better because of Chow...
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I don't think Chow had all that much to do with how Young played.His offense has been widely criticized...how much of it was even Chow anyway vs. Fisher doing his own thing anyway.I think Young can play much better than he has...which is why I disagree with saying that Chow made him play at a higher level than he normally could.You might be right on White...as Chow was with him at USC. But I still think White is capable of playing even better if he dedicates himself to it in the offseason.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
PLEASE COME TO MINNESOTA!!!! :pray:
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Keep praying for that you are saddled with Bevell and all his glory. Childress will only get rid of his Badger buddy if he is forced to.Andy now that I know you are a Choke Vike fans I will add you to my list, Packer fans love to beat up on our division rivals all the time.
 
I heard on ESPN Radio that Chow was not happy with Youngs development and did not hide it. The writing was on the wall..it was either Chow or Young and we know who was going to win that battle.

 
Da Guru said:
I heard on ESPN Radio that Chow was not happy with Youngs development and did not hide it. The writing was on the wall..it was either Chow or Young and we know who was going to win that battle.
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Mike and the Maddog are talking about it right now. They said he was openly killing VY in the press interviews before the game. Apparently, he did the same on the last Sunday Night game with Michaels and Michaels mentioned something about it on the air (don't remember it). I wonder if Chow was doing it to get fired because he had to realize that the team is tied to VY. What were his main problems with VY?
 
so where does this leave Lendale White heading into next year? Does Fisher like White as much as Chow did?
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Almost certainly. WHite is Fisher's kind of runner. I imagine Fisher has someone in mind already. I also think it will probably be someone from the pro ranks who isn't well known.
 
Colin Dowling said:
so where does this leave Lendale White heading into next year? Does Fisher like White as much as Chow did?
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Almost certainly. WHite is Fisher's kind of runner. I imagine Fisher has someone in mind already. I also think it will probably be someone from the pro ranks who isn't well known.
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I believe the same thing...though I bet Fisher would like to see him cut down on the fumbles.
 
Chow never got to show his creative offensive mind because Vince just wasn't there yet development wise AND the WRs leave something to be desired. IMO That was Fisher's O, not Chow's. I'd like to see what Chow can do and hope he lands another NFL job.

 
Bri said:
Chow never got to show his creative offensive mind because Vince just wasn't there yet development wise AND the WRs leave something to be desired. IMO That was Fisher's O, not Chow's. I'd like to see what Chow can do and hope he lands another NFL job.
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:thumbdown:They threw a LOT more slants, screens, and curls the last couple of seasons then in years previous when McNair was under center.
 
Banger said:
Mike and the Maddog are talking about it right now. They said he was openly killing VY in the press interviews before the game. Apparently, he did the same on the last Sunday Night game with Michaels and Michaels mentioned something about it on the air (don't remember it). I wonder if Chow was doing it to get fired because he had to realize that the team is tied to VY. What were his main problems with VY?
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If that's what he was doing, I'd guess he knew he was getting fired or he wanted to get fired.
 
UCLA in Chow's future?

By Brian Dohn, Staff Writer

Article Last Updated: 01/15/2008 12:34:23 PM PST

UCLA's chances of landing Norm Chow as its offensive coordinator appeared to increase dramatically Tuesday when he was fired as the Tennessee Titans' offensive coordinator.

Chow, who was considered the mastermind behind USC's explosive offenses during the Carson Palmer and Reggie Bush days, is high on the radar of new UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel, but the two had not spoken as of Monday, according to sources.

Chow's salary with the Titans was $1 million. Neuheisel was putting together a package to try and entice Chow to return to Southern Califorinia, where Chow still owns a house.

"I don't know what I'm going to do," Chow told The Tennessean. "I'm disappointed. I didn't see this coming."

Neuheisel already interviewed former Auburn offensive coordinator and UCLA offensive coordinator Al Borges, Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks coach Jedd Fisch and Cleveland Browns quarterbacks coach Rip Scherer.

Neuheisel is on the road recruiting, and is trying to finalize his coaching staff.

 
Colin Dowling said:
Bri said:
Chow never got to show his creative offensive mind because Vince just wasn't there yet development wise AND the WRs leave something to be desired. IMO That was Fisher's O, not Chow's. I'd like to see what Chow can do and hope he lands another NFL job.
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:no:They threw a LOT more slants, screens, and curls the last couple of seasons then in years previous when McNair was under center.
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Well we disagree, hopefully in time we'll get to see
 
They sure did not give him much to work with. Year one he has to deal with a raw rookie QB and than in year two they allow their top WR and RB to leave and he still had to deal with raw second year QB. They served up Chow a turd basket of offensive talent and I thought he did the best anyone could be expected to do and I'd be pissed if I was him.

 
menobrown said:
They sure did not give him much to work with. Year one he has to deal with a raw rookie QB and than in year two they allow their top WR and RB to leave and he still had to deal with raw second year QB. They served up Chow a turd basket of offensive talent and I thought he did the best anyone could be expected to do and I'd be pissed if I was him.
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Maybe there's more to it than just what we see on the surface.Chow's not exactly known as a "Mr. Personality" with great people skills.
 
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switz said:
the hairy scotsman said:
switz said:
If this is true, the Titans are STUPID!Chow made Young and White play at a higher level than they normally could.
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LOL.
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I forgot how many blinnd Young-lovers there are in here :goodposting:
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Disregarding the fact that you have no way of knowing what Young will look like in a different offense, a team that scores 6 passing TDs in the NFL isn't going to keep it's OC for long. Period. That's it. If you think that YOung would have done WORSE without Chow, then we'll see next year if he only tosses 3 or 4 TDs. For my money, I didn't see this move coming but it's sort of hard to disagree with.
 
I didn't see this coming, although if he's been dissing VY publicly I guess it's not so surprising.

Someone above mentioned Cameron. He knows the AFC well. Billick is out there too. They really need someone who will help Young understand how to turn around 9 TD, 17 INT decision making. Stats like that mean a lot of bad decisions on the field, and apparently Chow (whom I respect a lot) couldn't get through and was pretty frustrated with it.

Someone somewhere is going to get a very good OC.

 
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Colin Dowling said:
switz said:
the hairy scotsman said:
switz said:
If this is true, the Titans are STUPID!

Chow made Young and White play at a higher level than they normally could.
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LOL.
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I forgot how many blinnd Young-lovers there are in here :X
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Disregarding the fact that you have no way of knowing what Young will look like in a different offense, a team that scores 6 passing TDs in the NFL isn't going to keep it's OC for long. Period. That's it. If you think that YOung would have done WORSE without Chow, then we'll see next year if he only tosses 3 or 4 TDs. For my money, I didn't see this move coming but it's sort of hard to disagree with.
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I have a pretty good idea how he'd look in the spread.
 
switz said:
the hairy scotsman said:
switz said:
If this is true, the Titans are STUPID!Chow made Young and White play at a higher level than they normally could.
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LOL.
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I forgot how many blinnd Young-lovers there are in here :X
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Thinking Chow is not a great OC in the NFL makes someone a blind Vince Young lover?The guy is very talented...The combo of Fisher's style...Chow's offense...and Young's talent really did not mesh.Not much more than that.I simply don't think Chow's system is that great for the NFL...even more so not suited to what Vince Young does bring to the table.
 
Couch Potato said:
I didn't see this coming, although if he's been dissing VY publicly I guess it's not so surprising.

Someone above mentioned Cameron. He knows the AFC well. Billick is out there too. They really need someone who will help Young understand how to turn around 9 TD, 17 INT decision making. Stats like that mean a lot of bad decisions on the field, and apparently Chow (whom I respect a lot) couldn't get through and was pretty frustrated with it.

Someone somewhere is going to get a very good OC.
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Do you think red zone playcalling had anything to do with the lack of TD passes?

In the first 3 games, the Titans had 14 first downs in the red zone and they ran the ball on 13. They had 15 2nd downs and they ran the ball on 10. They had 13 3rd downs and ran on 5. Sounds fairly predictable.

They had 43 plays in the red zone in games 1-3, and attempted 14 passes, 8 of those in obvious passing situations. How exactly does one throw TD's if those stat trends extrapolate throughout the season?

Do you think it might have something to do with the Titans running the wrong offense for their qb?

Young led his team to scoring drives on something like 8 of 10 tries in the last 2 minutes of the half. One was a missed FG and another drive stalled around midfield after picking up a couple of 1st downs.

Why were they so successful in obvious passing situations with some of the worst receivers in the league? Because they were in the shotgun and spread. This is Young's offense. He fits this offense and operates effortlessly in it. The defense still has to account for the RB and for Vince. He is the only QB that NFL teams have to account for in a 3-4 wide set. The lanes are bigger. He sees the field better.

If the Titans don't want to build their offense around VY then they shouldn't have drafted him and should trade him to a team with the balls to run something a little different. Look at N.E. this year. They aren't running your typical bull#### NFL offense. They are spreading the field.

BTW, I'm not directing this at you, specifically. Just chose your post to quote.

 
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This comment is from a Texas site. These are not my words.

Good for Chow. He needs to get out of that mess in Tennessee.

In my belief there will be nobody that will be able to teach Vince Young anything of value to become an good NFL quarterback. As Mac Brown at Texas said, something to the effect of "Vince started winning when we stopped trying to change him" That statement speaks volumes.

Vince will alway be the greatest sandlot QB ever and one of the greatest athletes ever but stands almost no chance against professional NFL defenses. He simply can't read them. nor throw consistantly well. A one trick pony as they say. He is missing the most important assets for an NFL QB, a mind (wonderlic) and an arm. and now, reports are starting to trickle in he has had issues with chow who is trying to teach him. Resistance to change is not a good thing between teacher and student.

 
Da Guru said:
This comment is from a Texas site. These are not my words.

Good for Chow. He needs to get out of that mess in Tennessee.

In my belief there will be nobody that will be able to teach Vince Young anything of value to become an good NFL quarterback. As Mac Brown at Texas said, something to the effect of "Vince started winning when we stopped trying to change him" That statement speaks volumes.

Vince will alway be the greatest sandlot QB ever and one of the greatest athletes ever but stands almost no chance against professional NFL defenses. He simply can't read them. nor throw consistantly well. A one trick pony as they say. He is missing the most important assets for an NFL QB, a mind (wonderlic) and an arm. and now, reports are starting to trickle in he has had issues with chow who is trying to teach him. Resistance to change is not a good thing between teacher and student.
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Was it a Houston site?
 
Hopefully this doesn't turn into a Vick-like situation, coordinators getting swapped out because their offense doesn't physically gifted QB. Then the obligatory year or two to learn the offense, then new coordinator is fired because QB is not showing the proper progression. Repeat.

 
Da Guru said:
This comment is from a Texas site. These are not my words.

Good for Chow. He needs to get out of that mess in Tennessee.

In my belief there will be nobody that will be able to teach Vince Young anything of value to become an good NFL quarterback. As Mac Brown at Texas said, something to the effect of "Vince started winning when we stopped trying to change him" That statement speaks volumes.

Vince will alway be the greatest sandlot QB ever and one of the greatest athletes ever but stands almost no chance against professional NFL defenses. He simply can't read them. nor throw consistantly well. A one trick pony as they say. He is missing the most important assets for an NFL QB, a mind (wonderlic) and an arm. and now, reports are starting to trickle in he has had issues with chow who is trying to teach him. Resistance to change is not a good thing between teacher and student.
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By "change him" MacK was referring to changing him from a shotgun spread qb to the qb running the pro set/I-formation qb that Chris Simms ran. In other words, they stopped trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. He's wasted in that scheme. Do you think Young and Simms have even remotelty similar skillsets? Note, also, that that's not a quote of Brown, and it's probably not from a Texas fan, or they probably would know how to spell Mack's name.

I'm sure you realize, also, that Young was 30-2 as a starter at Texas...so I guess it didn't take long to reverse the "losing trend", and it seems to have been a pretty good idea. :rolleyes:

 
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GordonGekko said:
Where's Al Sharpton when you need him?I think Norm Chow should be interviewed for every NFL head coach opening this offseason or the team be fined 200K like the Detriot Lions were over not doing so when they hired Steve Mariucci and that same team lose a 1st round draft pick, just like the Patriots lost one this year over CameraGate. I believe the NFL, under the Rooney Rule, should promote the interests of Asian Americans and look to help foster an environment where Asian Americans can succeed and rise up in the NFL coaching ranks. After all, isn't that the point of the Rooney Rule, to promote MINORITY coaches and give them an opportunity to interview? Oh wait a minute! That's right. The Rooney Rule isn't actually interested in helping Asians. Nor is it actually interested in helping ALL MINORITIES. Do you see teams being told to interview Latino coaches for the top spot lest they eat a 200K fine? That's right. It's just about helping African American coaches. And here's the best part, Norm Chow hasn't done enough in the NFL to merit a head coaching interview. You could argue Mike Singletary hasn't either in many ways. Hell I like Mike Singletary and I can admit that he might not have done enough in coaching to merit a top slot. But won't there be hell to pay if Mike Singletary gets zero interviews this offseason? Would the same hell to pay happen if, it's likely to happen, the same occurs for Norm Chow? Will the Dolphins and Bill Parcells eat it if Tony Sparano becomes the top dog and the same liberal pansy crybabies come out of the woodwork to say any other minority interview there was just a dog and pony show? Even if Parcells might actually just want Sparano because he thinks the guy can make the Dolphins win? Norm Chow not getting a head coaching interview in the NFL this year = A merit based choiceMike Singletary not getting a head coaching interview in the NFL this year = Racism. Someone needs to pay. Someone needs to get sued, lose a draft pick and a ton of money over it. Someone needs to pay. SOMEONE. NEEDS. TO. PAY. I'm sorry to see Norm Chow get clipped this off season, because how this all shakes out will only show how much of a disgrace the Rooney Rule is to the spirit of the game and the bottom line of winning on the field. I wish Norm Chow well, he did wonders with that USC offense and I think he did a nice job with what he had to work with that young Titans offense. I hope he finds another OC slot in the NFL and hammers every NFL defense into submission. I hope he gets a head coaching gig in the NFL eventually. Then I hope he wins when he gets it. Norm Chow's coaching career would probably be healthier and have a greater upside if he was black. Kind of makes you wonder how this new concept of "racism" works in the NFL ranks, doesn't it? Makes you wonder who truly desires real "equality" in the game, doesn't it?
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So the guy got fired what 2 hours ago and you are already crying about him not being interviewed for any of the current head coaching jobs?
 
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