Not with a 10 foot pole. Stud Edition (1 Viewer)

[ldizzle]

Ronnie Hillman is reportedly weighing 225 pounds at 5'9" at camp. At the combine Ball was 5'10" and weighed 214 pounds. But Ronnie is a 'change of pace' back...

Can he make Elway eat his words?

Where have you seen that?

Yeah, 225 is not right.

“(Ball) is a much bigger back. He’s like 225 pounds and I’m like 190,” Hillman said. “He’s more of a power back and I am more of a speed back who is kind of balanced.”

It isnt right. some people are mixed up when they heard he had gained 20lbs this year. he is listed at 200 an im assuming people added 20 to that, when in fact last season he played as light as 175. so he is likely 190-200lbs.

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

Tom Brady

I don't get this one at all. I understand that he lost many WR's and that one TE that did a bad thing, but Tom Brady makes his WR's and TE's year in and year out. He has always made the players around him way better than they really are. He still has Amendola and Gronk. Yes, I don't think Gronk will be out long. Those 2 right there are a great start for a HOF QB. He just doesn't need much around him to be great. Add in Vareen and Dobson and I think he will be just fine. Do I think he will be #1, definitely not, but he will finish right around his ADP, IMO.

The majority of Xs and Os was done a couple of months ago so they could install plays during OTAs and camp. So the Pats were banking on maintaining their 2TE sets as the lynchpin of their offense. Now they have AH learning to play the harmonica and Gronk is out at least a few weeks and I'm betting he drops another couple of games later in the year as well. So you hear the Pats talking up a bunch of third-tier TEs as guys who are just as athletic, but I want a show of hands on who is buying that.

So basically, the primary part of the engine that the offense was designed to use to create mismatches is null and void. If Brady can make it work under these conditions, tip o' the cap to him. I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying someone else can be the one to make that investment.

And that brings me to Steven Ridley. He'd have to drop to the third round before I would start scratching my chin on him. If I am predicting the ofefnse will struggle more than before, then they won't be downshifting to run mode as often, playing from behind more. Also, without the dual TE mismatch, safeties can give greater attention to run duties.

Also, I'm adding DeMarco Murray to the list. (I know... in the thread about rating third-round RBs I had him rated high, but I've flipflopped on him in the last week.) I think Dallas is just going to be an aerial circus and abandon the run, especially since I expect them to be in catchup mode as well. Teams that switch base defensive formations (Dallas going from 3-4 to 4-3) rarely thrive their first year. D Ware with his hand on the ground...? Not saying it can't work, but again... I'll let someone else invest in that one.

 

[Tanner9919]

Ray Rice

Matt Stafford - strictly a yardage compiler , but aside from one good season he is incredibly short on TDs..

Hakeem Nicks

J. Charles - KC o/u vegas line for wins is just 6.5 games..if you believe Andy Reid's offense can work with Alex Smith, you've got yourself a stud RB..but Reids offense worked with McNabb and Vick...highly doubtful Alex Smith can duplicate their success..and Smith is a turnover machine..SF did a great job of hiding his flaws..they're laughing at KC for trading to acquire him..you'll see stalled drives, upwards of 20 ints, and 8-man fronts as Smith is exposed for the fraud that he is...

Gronkowski - even if healthy he's likely to be blanketed because the Pats dont have anyone who'll require as much attention as Welker and Hernandez did..

Cutler if he is considerd top 50.

MJD

 

[Run It Up]

Ray Rice

Matt Stafford - strictly a yardage compiler , but aside from one good season he is incredibly short on TDs..

Gronkowski - even if healthy he's likely to be blanketed because the Pats dont have anyone who'll require as much attention as Welker and Hernandez did..

Just awful.

 

[Leonidas]

Tom Brady

I don't get this one at all. I understand that he lost many WR's and that one TE that did a bad thing, but Tom Brady makes his WR's and TE's year in and year out. He has always made the players around him way better than they really are. He still has Amendola and Gronk. Yes, I don't think Gronk will be out long. Those 2 right there are a great start for a HOF QB. He just doesn't need much around him to be great. Add in Vareen and Dobson and I think he will be just fine. Do I think he will be #1, definitely not, but he will finish right around his ADP, IMO.

The majority of Xs and Os was done a couple of months ago so they could install plays during OTAs and camp. So the Pats were banking on maintaining their 2TE sets as the lynchpin of their offense. Now they have AH learning to play the harmonica and Gronk is out at least a few weeks and I'm betting he drops another couple of games later in the year as well. So you hear the Pats talking up a bunch of third-tier TEs as guys who are just as athletic, but I want a show of hands on who is buying that.

So basically, the primary part of the engine that the offense was designed to use to create mismatches is null and void. If Brady can make it work under these conditions, tip o' the cap to him. I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying someone else can be the one to make that investment.

And that brings me to Steven Ridley. He'd have to drop to the third round before I would start scratching my chin on him. If I am predicting the ofefnse will struggle more than before, then they won't be downshifting to run mode as often, playing from behind more. Also, without the dual TE mismatch, safeties can give greater attention to run duties.

Also, I'm adding DeMarco Murray to the list. (I know... in the thread about rating third-round RBs I had him rated high, but I've flipflopped on him in the last week.) I think Dallas is just going to be an aerial circus and abandon the run, especially since I expect them to be in catchup mode as well. Teams that switch base defensive formations (Dallas going from 3-4 to 4-3) rarely thrive their first year. D Ware with his hand on the ground...? Not saying it can't work, but again... I'll let someone else invest in that one.

I think it is foolish to proclaim to know what Bill Belichick and company game-planned for the season.

I also think it is foolish to think he/they are incapable of adjusting that, as necessary, 2+ months out

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

Tom Brady

I don't get this one at all. I understand that he lost many WR's and that one TE that did a bad thing, but Tom Brady makes his WR's and TE's year in and year out. He has always made the players around him way better than they really are. He still has Amendola and Gronk. Yes, I don't think Gronk will be out long. Those 2 right there are a great start for a HOF QB. He just doesn't need much around him to be great. Add in Vareen and Dobson and I think he will be just fine. Do I think he will be #1, definitely not, but he will finish right around his ADP, IMO.

The majority of Xs and Os was done a couple of months ago so they could install plays during OTAs and camp. So the Pats were banking on maintaining their 2TE sets as the lynchpin of their offense. Now they have AH learning to play the harmonica and Gronk is out at least a few weeks and I'm betting he drops another couple of games later in the year as well. So you hear the Pats talking up a bunch of third-tier TEs as guys who are just as athletic, but I want a show of hands on who is buying that.

So basically, the primary part of the engine that the offense was designed to use to create mismatches is null and void. If Brady can make it work under these conditions, tip o' the cap to him. I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying someone else can be the one to make that investment.

And that brings me to Steven Ridley. He'd have to drop to the third round before I would start scratching my chin on him. If I am predicting the ofefnse will struggle more than before, then they won't be downshifting to run mode as often, playing from behind more. Also, without the dual TE mismatch, safeties can give greater attention to run duties.

Also, I'm adding DeMarco Murray to the list. (I know... in the thread about rating third-round RBs I had him rated high, but I've flipflopped on him in the last week.) I think Dallas is just going to be an aerial circus and abandon the run, especially since I expect them to be in catchup mode as well. Teams that switch base defensive formations (Dallas going from 3-4 to 4-3) rarely thrive their first year. D Ware with his hand on the ground...? Not saying it can't work, but again... I'll let someone else invest in that one.

I think it is foolish to proclaim to know what Bill Belichick and company game-planned for the season.

I also think it is foolish to think he/they are incapable of adjusting that, as necessary, 2+ months out

Do I know what they gameplanned this season? No. Do I know what they gameplanned the last two seasons? Yep. And it was heavy 2TE sets to get mismatches on the undervalued, neglected safety position. So now I ask myself: have I seen any personnel moves that make it look like they are leaning away from that? Trade one slot receiver for another, fairly much pretend the WR position is like a set of earrings... not much more than an accessory.... and I feel comfortable thinking that while they would tweak the specifics, their primary philosophical approach was going to be the same.

And yes, they can make adjustments, but they are behind the curve. Now, while they are supposed to be focusing on player evaluations, they are having to scribble some plays up on a napkin for installation. Can it work? Sure. Am I willing to bet on it? Nope. Not this year.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Matt Stafford - strictly a yardage compiler , but aside from one good season he is incredibly short on TDs..

To me, you can just as easily say his TDs last year were the outlier more than his 40 TD season the year before. He didnt have a running game to work with, now he has Bush which should not only directly add some passing/receiving TDs, but allow more drives to continue, more RZ chances, etc. Megatron only had 5 TDs last year, you know that is going up.

And actually, he's being drafted outside of the Top 50 so he is irrelevant here. Considering groupthink, Im actually surprised he's going ahead of Luck and RG3. I wouldnt be surprised if they get picked before Stafford in my leagues.

 

[Buffaloes]

Montee Ball. Everything I'm hearing from camp is that he's busting hard so far.

Although I imagine he'll fall out of the top 50 by the time most people draft.

Yea, I've been in some early drafts and a lot of people have tied their RB2 bandwagon to him. They took him pretty high and/or significant money in the auction formats. I scooped up Moreno for $1 and in the 14th round multiple times. Much better money spent than $20 on Ball.

But I do love him... Wisconsin Badger homer... I just think the expectations have been way too high. Denver screams of RBBC this year.

Not to mention a Hillman that is supposedly bigger, better at blocking and has not lost any speed. Do not pay a lot for any of these RB's unless it shakes its way out in the preseason.

Ronnie Hillman is reportedly weighing 225 pounds at 5'9" at camp

he's not even close to that. I've read he's at around 195#. saw him at camp and he's nowhere near 225. He still looks pretty small out there.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Anybody beginning to warm up to MJD as a RB2? He certainly looks healthy.

 

[Pumpnick]

Anybody beginning to warm up to MJD as a RB2? He certainly looks healthy.

He looked slow to me, but what do I know.

 

[ldizzle]

Anybody beginning to warm up to MJD as a RB2? He certainly looks healthy.

I know this is the ten foot pole edition, so as of late I wouldnt touch him with an 8 foot pole. So im warming up a little

 

[Rick James]

Darren McFadden. Oakland will most likely be hot garbage this year, and he will be facing a lot of 8-man fronts I'm guessing. Add in problems staying on the field, and I'm not risking it.

 

[swirvenirvin]

Broncos WRs are all overvalued

DT WR6

Welker WR14

Decker WR24

No way Denver has three WRs in the top 25 at the end of the year. One of them may perform at their ADP but impossible to say who. Odds are all three will get their production dinged more than drafters expect.

Somehwat same approach but I think DT, and Decker are undervalued, and Welker is way way overvalued.

 

[bucsbaby]

QB: Cam -- no offense around him at all

RB: Foster -- injury concerns and an adp of 1.3

WR: Bowe -- colour me skeptical on Alex Smith in KC

TE: Gonzo -- father time has to catch up to even the GOAT at some point

 

[cstu]

Broncos WRs are all overvalued

DT WR6

Welker WR14

Decker WR24

No way Denver has three WRs in the top 25 at the end of the year. One of them may perform at their ADP but impossible to say who. Odds are all three will get their production dinged more than drafters expect.

Somehwat same approach but I think DT, and Decker are undervalued, and Welker is way way overvalued.

I'm not high on Decker but I do believe he represents the best value. Welker holds a lot of risk at 14 since everything has to go right for him and I don't see him having the opportunity to outperform his ranking.

 

[Warrior]

TE: Gonzo -- father time has to catch up to even the GOAT at some point

I don't get this at all.

He was an absolute stud last season. He's being drafted well below what his production in 2012 indicates.

His age is already priced in.

 

[Shutout]

Tom Brady

I don't get this one at all. I understand that he lost many WR's and that one TE that did a bad thing, but Tom Brady makes his WR's and TE's year in and year out. He has always made the players around him way better than they really are. He still has Amendola and Gronk. Yes, I don't think Gronk will be out long. Those 2 right there are a great start for a HOF QB. He just doesn't need much around him to be great. Add in Vareen and Dobson and I think he will be just fine. Do I think he will be #1, definitely not, but he will finish right around his ADP, IMO.

The majority of Xs and Os was done a couple of months ago so they could install plays during OTAs and camp. So the Pats were banking on maintaining their 2TE sets as the lynchpin of their offense. Now they have AH learning to play the harmonica and Gronk is out at least a few weeks and I'm betting he drops another couple of games later in the year as well. So you hear the Pats talking up a bunch of third-tier TEs as guys who are just as athletic, but I want a show of hands on who is buying that.

So basically, the primary part of the engine that the offense was designed to use to create mismatches is null and void. If Brady can make it work under these conditions, tip o' the cap to him. I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying someone else can be the one to make that investment.

And that brings me to Steven Ridley. He'd have to drop to the third round before I would start scratching my chin on him. If I am predicting the ofefnse will struggle more than before, then they won't be downshifting to run mode as often, playing from behind more. Also, without the dual TE mismatch, safeties can give greater attention to run duties.

Also, I'm adding DeMarco Murray to the list. (I know... in the thread about rating third-round RBs I had him rated high, but I've flipflopped on him in the last week.) I think Dallas is just going to be an aerial circus and abandon the run, especially since I expect them to be in catchup mode as well. Teams that switch base defensive formations (Dallas going from 3-4 to 4-3) rarely thrive their first year. D Ware with his hand on the ground...? Not saying it can't work, but again... I'll let someone else invest in that one.

I think it is foolish to proclaim to know what Bill Belichick and company game-planned for the season.

I also think it is foolish to think he/they are incapable of adjusting that, as necessary, 2+ months out

Do I know what they gameplanned this season? No. Do I know what they gameplanned the last two seasons? Yep. And it was heavy 2TE sets to get mismatches on the undervalued, neglected safety position. So now I ask myself: have I seen any personnel moves that make it look like they are leaning away from that? Trade one slot receiver for another, fairly much pretend the WR position is like a set of earrings... not much more than an accessory.... and I feel comfortable thinking that while they would tweak the specifics, their primary philosophical approach was going to be the same.

And yes, they can make adjustments, but they are behind the curve. Now, while they are supposed to be focusing on player evaluations, they are having to scribble some plays up on a napkin for installation. Can it work? Sure. Am I willing to bet on it? Nope. Not this year.

Teams make adjustments DURING GAMES that have noticeable effects and you're saying that the Patriots (the PATRIOTS) coaching staff can't rebound from something from two months ago? Good grief.

 

[bucsbaby]

TE: Gonzo -- father time has to catch up to even the GOAT at some point

I don't get this at all.

He was an absolute stud last season. He's being drafted well below what his production in 2012 indicates.

His age is already priced in.

and if he pays off again, great. I think SJax is going to cut into his production though and he's another year older, so I'm going to pass at his adp.

 

[Shutout]

QB: Cam -- no offense around him at all

RB: Foster -- injury concerns and an adp of 1.3

WR: Bowe -- colour me skeptical on Alex Smith in KC

TE: Gonzo -- father time has to catch up to even the GOAT at some point

Foster is going to make so many haters cry this year. The number of people that can't understand the simple concept of "He's our stud, let's give him the LT treatment and play him when it counts" theory is maddening. What do you people want? If a RB isn't used then you cry looking for a "full time back". If only JSTEW was a full time back, do you think SPiller will have to share with FJAX, do you think Greene will steal GL from CJ, on and on and on. But then when a player gets a full time job, unless its ADP, everyone cries he is used too much. So the team doesn't waste time in pre season on meaningless carries and you want more carries. But if they had played him every game in the pre-season, you would have cried that he was just adding on to the high number he had.

Whatever foster did to set fire to so many people's panties, people should just let it go. He burned you. We get it. He was great when your mind couldn't grab the concept. We get it. The guy is 26 and has missed 3 games in three years, less than pretty much any other RB in the league in that time. You guys DON'T seem to get that.

 

[zandbak]

Absolutely zero reason to waste a top 10 pick on Foster when you see his YPC/YPG decline but carries increase. They ran him into the ground last year and he came out with injuries all over. I doubt the brass does the same thing this year (giving him 350 carries) with Ben Tate healthy and running hard. There is risk there, and most smart people don't want that risk with a top 10 pick.

 

[theothervcruz]

For one reason or another I stay away from Foster, Morris, Gore, Andre Johnson, Welker, Vernon Davis and Brady.

 

[Sabertooth]

McFadden and Brady.

 

[bucsbaby]

QB: Cam -- no offense around him at all

RB: Foster -- injury concerns and an adp of 1.3

WR: Bowe -- colour me skeptical on Alex Smith in KC

TE: Gonzo -- father time has to catch up to even the GOAT at some point

Foster is going to make so many haters cry this year. The number of people that can't understand the simple concept of "He's our stud, let's give him the LT treatment and play him when it counts" theory is maddening. What do you people want? If a RB isn't used then you cry looking for a "full time back". If only JSTEW was a full time back, do you think SPiller will have to share with FJAX, do you think Greene will steal GL from CJ, on and on and on. But then when a player gets a full time job, unless its ADP, everyone cries he is used too much. So the team doesn't waste time in pre season on meaningless carries and you want more carries. But if they had played him every game in the pre-season, you would have cried that he was just adding on to the high number he had.

Whatever foster did to set fire to so many people's panties, people should just let it go. He burned you. We get it. He was great when your mind couldn't grab the concept. We get it. The guy is 26 and has missed 3 games in three years, less than pretty much any other RB in the league in that time. You guys DON'T seem to get that.

I'm not a hater and I can't recall owning him. I just don't see the point of gambling on him at his adp given the back issues I've been hearing about. I like guys like Charles, Calvin, Spiller, etc. a lot more as I see them with the same upside and higher floor.

 

[SameSongNDance]

DMC is obvious at his current ADP. There's absolutely no way I'd lean on him as my RB2, as his downside at this point far outweighs his RB1 ceiling.

 

[Rick James]

QB: Cam -- no offense around him at all

RB: Foster -- injury concerns and an adp of 1.3

WR: Bowe -- colour me skeptical on Alex Smith in KC

TE: Gonzo -- father time has to catch up to even the GOAT at some point

Foster is going to make so many haters cry this year. The number of people that can't understand the simple concept of "He's our stud, let's give him the LT treatment and play him when it counts" theory is maddening. What do you people want? If a RB isn't used then you cry looking for a "full time back". If only JSTEW was a full time back, do you think SPiller will have to share with FJAX, do you think Greene will steal GL from CJ, on and on and on. But then when a player gets a full time job, unless its ADP, everyone cries he is used too much. So the team doesn't waste time in pre season on meaningless carries and you want more carries. But if they had played him every game in the pre-season, you would have cried that he was just adding on to the high number he had.

Whatever foster did to set fire to so many people's panties, people should just let it go. He burned you. We get it. He was great when your mind couldn't grab the concept. We get it. The guy is 26 and has missed 3 games in three years, less than pretty much any other RB in the league in that time. You guys DON'T seem to get that.

Relax Mrs. Foster. It's not "hating" to admit Ben Tate is a FANTASTIC back-up for the Texans, thereby letting him carry more of the load to keep Foster fresh. Does that mean Foster dips down to 200 carries? No, but 250 may sound about right.