"Notes on Being a Man" (2 Viewers)

[RCon]

I have an employee, 25 years old. Has some roommates, they work from home. Make really good money. They gamble on Draft Kings, play video games, and order Door Dash. They live in Philly and don't even try and meet women.

To be fair, two roommates and I went through a phase like that in the 90s for a couple years after college. Worked (albeit not from home), made decent money, gambled on sports, played Sega, drank a **** ton, and only occasionally went out to meet women. We would go out for wings and darts and Monday Night Football. Then we got older and looked for other things out of life. I still think those were some of the best few years of my life.

 

[massraider]

Also is a guy selling his book. One can recognize both of those at the same time. I’d be willing to check out his book/sourcing based on this, though

This particular issue (young males and their place in the world) is something Galloway talks about all the time. He's a marketing guy mainly, and has a pod about daily business happenings, but his concern about the state of young men is something you can find a lot of video of him talking about it.

It's not whining about the younger generation, which someone here seems to think it is. He's much more: these are some reasons why, this is how to fix it, and be better.

 

[Steve Tasker]

On balance, I think isolation is harmful to well being for most people, and with increasing numbers of young adults living at home, working remotely, not going to churches or bars or clubs to meet and interact with others in person, I sense a lot of young adults are struggling. It’s one of the primary reasons I hate remote work for people entering the workforce.

I've tried to bang the drum in this forum about how the younger generation of adults (younger millennials trending now toward Gen Z and soon Gen Alpha) is not in a good spot. This is completely true. Of course there will always be some anecdotal successful outliers, but statistically the younger generations are in a worse spot than in seemingly forever. The job market is atrocious for inexperienced hires, fewer people are in relationships, fewer people are having kids, fewer people are buying houses, hell fewer people are just straight-up socializing with one another. The median age of a first-home homebuyer in the US is now 40 years old.

I'm using the above as a gender-neutral statement, but young men in particular are not in a good place right now. This isn't some right-wing bogeyman "men's rights" ********, I'm about as far from that on the spectrum as you can be - it's kinda just an objective fact at this point in 2025.

if I knew what the answer was, I'd tell ya. Not an easy concept to grapple with.

 

[bigbottom]

Sorry if I went a little off topic. I don't believe what a man is in 2025 should be the same as it was 1985, or from 1985 to 1955 etc.

The other thing that bothers me is the kids are ruining the world or will ruin it. They need our support, not our pity. The people they are at 16 to 18, won't be the same when they are 25, and that person will be different again when they are 40. It is okay for them to be different, have different values even if it makes the older generations (us) uncomfortable.

If the interview is any indication, the bolded seems to be one of Scott Galloway’s central themes.

 

[Harry Manback]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

Why are you so intent on downplaying the struggles of todays young men?

 

[Harry Manback]

It's not a competition, and saying young men today are facing unprecedented struggles does not mean men of prior generations didn't have struggles as well.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm using the above as a gender-neutral statement, but young men in particular are not in a good place right now. This isn't some right-wing bogeyman "men's rights" ********, I'm about as far from that on the spectrum as you can be - it's kinda just an objective fact at this point in 2025.

On a related note, Galloway is a fairly left-leaning guy overall. Wikipedia states he is an atheist that moved his family to London and politically supported Democrats in the past.

I think this is a universal issue that needs the support of liberals and conservatives alike. I'm about as conservative as anyone on FBGs and I agree with everything you (and Galloway) are saying.

 

[RCon]

I'm not sure young men have more or harder issues to deal with than previous generations (I'm also not sure they don't).

However, two things have changed significantly, IMO.
1. A larger share of young women have realized they don't need a man to be happy and successful (in part due to a changing world where that's less true than it once was).
2. It's much easier for people like Andrew Tate and others like him to reach a large audience and prey on that audience (obviously due to social media and the internet).

 

[msudaisy26]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

Why are you so intent on downplaying the struggles of todays young men?

Why are you so intent on putting words in my mouth I didn't say?

 

[Juxtatarot]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

Yes, because citing sources and statistical data gathering/sampling methodology makes for a great talk show interview.

The biggest numbers that I have seen cited over and over that not many people seem to give a crap about is the male to female 4:1 suicide rate and 1:2 college grad rate. Those are massive differences and symptoms of the issues driving a ton of our societal ills.

Today's young men are more miserable and are less successful than females.

Women attempt suicide more often than men. However, more men die of suicide because they more often use more lethal methods such as firearms.

 

[HellToupee]

think this is a universal issue that needs the support of liberals and conservatives alike. I'm about as conservative as anyone on FBGs and I agree with everything you (and Galloway) are saying

Agree

 

[Harry Manback]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

Why are you so intent on downplaying the struggles of todays young men?

Why are you so intent on putting words in my mouth I didn't say?

I’m not putting words in your mouth, you are actively fighting the notion they face unique struggles. And are strangely defensive. It’s weird. Then you act indignant and try and pretend you aren’t doing it. Super weird.

 

[msudaisy26]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

Why are you so intent on downplaying the struggles of todays young men?

Why are you so intent on putting words in my mouth I didn't say?

I’m not putting words in your mouth, you are actively fighting the notion they face unique struggles. And are strangely defensive. It’s weird. Then you act indignant and try and pretend you aren’t doing it. Super weird.

I suggest you read it again. Maybe start at the beginning.

 

[msudaisy26]

I think this is a universal issue that needs the support of liberals and conservatives alike. I'm about as conservative as anyone on FBGs and I agree with everything you (and Galloway) are saying.

I agree and good luck with that. Which ever side agrees with it the other side is guaranteed to disagree.

 

[Gally]

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

This is one of the biggest problems that is being brought up by this guy. Socializing on-line is fine to a point but if it takes the place of socializing in person that is a problem. I think one of this guys big points is that young men don't know how to socialize in person because they haven't practiced or been taught how to do it. Staying on-line with no in person interaction is not a good thing.

Online socializations should be a supplement to in person connection. Not a replacement.

 

[Scoresman]

The first thing young men need to do is get rid of this god awful haircut that seems to be trending.

 

[Mookie]

Oh no, the patriarchy is crumbling! This is all a bit too anecdotal and vaguely political for me to respond in any depth except to say that excessive video gaming is a problem.

 

[Harry Manback]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

Why are you so intent on downplaying the struggles of todays young men?

Why are you so intent on putting words in my mouth I didn't say?

I’m not putting words in your mouth, you are actively fighting the notion they face unique struggles. And are strangely defensive. It’s weird. Then you act indignant and try and pretend you aren’t doing it. Super weird.

I suggest you read it again. Maybe start at the beginning.

Sure.

The speaker mentions bars/restaurants closing post-covid. This is a fact, not an opinion, yet:
"Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid."

You immediately countered the point, defending against some unknown attack against your pre-conceived notions using a personal anecdote to combat facts. Then defends the reality of bars closing as defensively with "isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work?"

Then you dismissed everything else by chalking it up "to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it."

When they tried to clarify the closing bars meant fewer places to socialize:

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

You start your rebuttal with "But", immediately countering the comment you're replying to (That's how but works)

"But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age."

You're saying it's not that bad because they have other places I didn't have when I was their age! re: "I had it tough too! What about me????"

Weird.

When the entire point was places to socialize face to face, and half the issue is the online communities don't really offer the same sense of belonging and socialization as in person.

"There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have." A nice false equivalency here to further dismiss the struggles of todays youth. Weird again.

So ya, I'm not putting words in your mouth so much as you may not be understanding the words you're putting to screen.

 

[Max Power]

The first thing young men need to do is get rid of this god awful haircut that seems to be trending.

The problem is the young girls like the broccoli heads

 

[Harry Manback]

The first thing young men need to do is get rid of this god awful haircut that seems to be trending.

The problem is the young girls like the broccoli heads

Girls used to love this one too.

 

[msudaisy26]

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

This is one of the biggest problems that is being brought up by this guy. Socializing on-line is fine to a point but if it takes the place of socializing in person that is a problem. I think one of this guys big points is that young men don't know how to socialize in person because they haven't practiced or been taught how to do it. Staying on-line with no in person interaction is not a good thing.

Online socializations should be a supplement to in person connection. Not a replacement.

I kind of agree. I know everyone having internet access has been around for 30ish years and the social media is around 20ish years old and for us that feels like a long time, but it really isn't.

We are just scratching the surface on this tech and I didn't think any of us know where it will end up because it will out last us all. I don't think it is a replacement for in person socializing, but could it take over and be the primary way to socialize and the in person is like only 30 percent? I really don't know and I can't say that is bad as a generalization because we don't know how everyone will react to it or even how much the online experience will change.

 

[TheBaylorKid]

I'm using the above as a gender-neutral statement, but young men in particular are not in a good place right now. This isn't some right-wing bogeyman "men's rights" ********, I'm about as far from that on the spectrum as you can be - it's kinda just an objective fact at this point in 2025.

On a related note, Galloway is a fairly left-leaning guy overall. Wikipedia states he is an atheist that moved his family to London and politically supported Democrats in the past.

I think this is a universal issue that needs the support of liberals and conservatives alike. I'm about as conservative as anyone on FBGs and I agree with everything you (and Galloway) are saying.

His other podcast is called “raging moderates”, just sharing cause the name makes me chuckle.

 

[Deepster]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

I don't know how he got that 45% number, but I do know men that age don't ask women out on dates the same way other generations traditionally did. The "standard" no longer is guy walks up to a girl in a bar and asks for her number, calls her a few times, then takes her to dinner and a movie to get to know her better (much less ever picking them up at their parents house). They're all just on each other's social media (instagram and snapchat) with kids that age having thousands of followers. And they just snap "innocently" and meet up at parties and bars, then hook up. The courting is gone.

 

[Ilov80s]

I'm using the above as a gender-neutral statement, but young men in particular are not in a good place right now. This isn't some right-wing bogeyman "men's rights" ********, I'm about as far from that on the spectrum as you can be - it's kinda just an objective fact at this point in 2025.

On a related note, Galloway is a fairly left-leaning guy overall. Wikipedia states he is an atheist that moved his family to London and politically supported Democrats in the past.

I think this is a universal issue that needs the support of liberals and conservatives alike. I'm about as conservative as anyone on FBGs and I agree with everything you (and Galloway) are saying.

I agree and the politicization that’s happened around it in recent years makes it’s a tougher topic to approach. There’s obviously a lot of internet figures and such who say some pretty radical stuff about how being a male means having no empathy and exerting dominance over others. Then conversely on the left you have some extreme male hating voices or ones opposed to more traditional male roles. So I imagine it’s a confusing situation if young males don’t have figures in their real life guiding them.

 

[beer 30]

Sorry if I went a little off topic. I don't believe what a man is in 2025 should be the same as it was 1985, or from 1985 to 1955 etc.

I'd agree with that with a caveat, the changes in society from 1955 to 1985 were big but manageable when you think in terms of digesting it as the reasonable advance of society.

The societal changes that have occurred between 1985 and 2025 have been 10X or more and have simply overwhelmed large swaths of the population (think the internet followed by the iPhone). Society wasn't prepared to deal with all that at once and our kids have absorbed a large portion of that while their parents haven't kept up to be able to guide them through these monumental changes or simply said little Bobby isn't bugging me 24/7 now so I'm good with it.

 

[Gally]

but could it take over and be the primary way to socialize and the in person is like only 30 percent? I really don't know and I can't say that is bad as a generalization because we don't know how everyone will react to it or even how much the online experience will change.

I think there has been studies already out there that have shown that online socializing as the primary type of socializing is a bad thing and that more human to human contact and knowing how to communicate is needed or things will continue to get worse.

Now will the world change and get to a point where on-line connection is the primary human to human connection and in person connection is all but lost? It sure looks to be heading that way but I don't think that is a good thing.

 

[msudaisy26]

but could it take over and be the primary way to socialize and the in person is like only 30 percent? I really don't know and I can't say that is bad as a generalization because we don't know how everyone will react to it or even how much the online experience will change.

I think there has been studies already out there that have shown that online socializing as the primary type of socializing is a bad thing and that more human to human contact and knowing how to communicate is needed or things will continue to get worse.

Now will the world change and get to a point where on-line connection is the primary human to human connection and in person connection is all but lost? It sure looks to be heading that way but I don't think that is a good thing.

I think it would be a bad thing as well, but I can't say that with any certainty.

 

[Gally]

but could it take over and be the primary way to socialize and the in person is like only 30 percent? I really don't know and I can't say that is bad as a generalization because we don't know how everyone will react to it or even how much the online experience will change.

I think there has been studies already out there that have shown that online socializing as the primary type of socializing is a bad thing and that more human to human contact and knowing how to communicate is needed or things will continue to get worse.

Now will the world change and get to a point where on-line connection is the primary human to human connection and in person connection is all but lost? It sure looks to be heading that way but I don't think that is a good thing.

I think it would be a bad thing as well, but I can't say that with any certainty.

I believe people who study human tendencies and interactions and how the human brain works and functions would say that little to no face to face human interaction is for sure a bad thing. It was one of the most talked about things with the pandemic and the rise in depression due to a lack of human to human connection during that time.

 

[TheBaylorKid]

A take away from listening to his podcast “lost boys a special” is encouragement for us the older men to go be a mentor be it teaching, after school programs, church or synagogue, etc

Other take away is that in person social spaces for boys is on the decline.
.

 

[msudaisy26]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

Why are you so intent on downplaying the struggles of todays young men?

Why are you so intent on putting words in my mouth I didn't say?

I’m not putting words in your mouth, you are actively fighting the notion they face unique struggles. And are strangely defensive. It’s weird. Then you act indignant and try and pretend you aren’t doing it. Super weird.

I suggest you read it again. Maybe start at the beginning.

Sure.

The speaker mentions bars/restaurants closing post-covid. This is a fact, not an opinion, yet:
"Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid."

You immediately countered the point, defending against some unknown attack against your pre-conceived notions using a personal anecdote to combat facts. Then defends the reality of bars closing as defensively with "isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work?"

Then you dismissed everything else by chalking it up "to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it."

When they tried to clarify the closing bars meant fewer places to socialize:

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

You start your rebuttal with "But", immediately countering the comment you're replying to (That's how but works)

"But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age."

You're saying it's not that bad because they have other places I didn't have when I was their age! re: "I had it tough too! What about me????"

Weird.

When the entire point was places to socialize face to face, and half the issue is the online communities don't really offer the same sense of belonging and socialization as in person.

"There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have." A nice false equivalency here to further dismiss the struggles of todays youth. Weird again.

So ya, I'm not putting words in your mouth so much as you may not be understanding the words you're putting to screen.

I have posted like 10 times in the thread. Obviously you didn't read them all and just see what you want too. Good luck with that.

 

[Harry Manback]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

Why are you so intent on downplaying the struggles of todays young men?

Why are you so intent on putting words in my mouth I didn't say?

I’m not putting words in your mouth, you are actively fighting the notion they face unique struggles. And are strangely defensive. It’s weird. Then you act indignant and try and pretend you aren’t doing it. Super weird.

I suggest you read it again. Maybe start at the beginning.

Sure.

The speaker mentions bars/restaurants closing post-covid. This is a fact, not an opinion, yet:
"Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid."

You immediately countered the point, defending against some unknown attack against your pre-conceived notions using a personal anecdote to combat facts. Then defends the reality of bars closing as defensively with "isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work?"

Then you dismissed everything else by chalking it up "to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it."

When they tried to clarify the closing bars meant fewer places to socialize:

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

You start your rebuttal with "But", immediately countering the comment you're replying to (That's how but works)

"But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age."

You're saying it's not that bad because they have other places I didn't have when I was their age! re: "I had it tough too! What about me????"

Weird.

When the entire point was places to socialize face to face, and half the issue is the online communities don't really offer the same sense of belonging and socialization as in person.

"There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have." A nice false equivalency here to further dismiss the struggles of todays youth. Weird again.

So ya, I'm not putting words in your mouth so much as you may not be understanding the words you're putting to screen.

I have posted like 10 times in the thread. Obviously you didn't read them all and just see what you want too. Good luck with that.

I don't think you realize how you come off. It's ok.

 

[msudaisy26]

but could it take over and be the primary way to socialize and the in person is like only 30 percent? I really don't know and I can't say that is bad as a generalization because we don't know how everyone will react to it or even how much the online experience will change.

I think there has been studies already out there that have shown that online socializing as the primary type of socializing is a bad thing and that more human to human contact and knowing how to communicate is needed or things will continue to get worse.

Now will the world change and get to a point where on-line connection is the primary human to human connection and in person connection is all but lost? It sure looks to be heading that way but I don't think that is a good thing.

I think it would be a bad thing as well, but I can't say that with any certainty.

I believe people who study human tendencies and interactions and how the human brain works and functions would say that little to no face to face human interaction is for sure a bad thing. It was one of the most talked about things with the pandemic and the rise in depression due to a lack of human to human connection during that time.

I agree to a point. We just don't know what will be socially normal 50 years or more from now.

I also agree about covid and the lack interaction helped cause a rise in depression, but most people still had a lot of face to face contact. There were other factors that contibuted to the rise in depression such asuncertainty of the disease, the risks, the unknowns with income, food supplies, etc.

 

[Gally]

We just don't know what will be socially normal 50 years or more from now.

There is a big difference between what is "socially normal" and what humans need as a species. Those are two vastly different things.+

ETA: Just because something is "socially normal" doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

 

[msudaisy26]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

Why are you so intent on downplaying the struggles of todays young men?

Why are you so intent on putting words in my mouth I didn't say?

I’m not putting words in your mouth, you are actively fighting the notion they face unique struggles. And are strangely defensive. It’s weird. Then you act indignant and try and pretend you aren’t doing it. Super weird.

I suggest you read it again. Maybe start at the beginning.

Sure.

The speaker mentions bars/restaurants closing post-covid. This is a fact, not an opinion, yet:
"Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid."

You immediately countered the point, defending against some unknown attack against your pre-conceived notions using a personal anecdote to combat facts. Then defends the reality of bars closing as defensively with "isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work?"

Then you dismissed everything else by chalking it up "to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it."

When they tried to clarify the closing bars meant fewer places to socialize:

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

You start your rebuttal with "But", immediately countering the comment you're replying to (That's how but works)

"But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age."

You're saying it's not that bad because they have other places I didn't have when I was their age! re: "I had it tough too! What about me????"

Weird.

When the entire point was places to socialize face to face, and half the issue is the online communities don't really offer the same sense of belonging and socialization as in person.

"There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have." A nice false equivalency here to further dismiss the struggles of todays youth. Weird again.

So ya, I'm not putting words in your mouth so much as you may not be understanding the words you're putting to screen.

I have posted like 10 times in the thread. Obviously you didn't read them all and just see what you want too. Good luck with that.

I don't think you realize how you come off. It's ok.

Like how condescending you come off?

 

[Max Power]

A take away from listening to his podcast “lost boys a special” is encouragement for us the older men to go be a mentor be it teaching, after school programs, church or synagogue, etc

Other take away is that in person social spaces for boys is on the decline.
.

My church does a good job with weekly events for all ages. It's been an amazing way to get to meet new people and socialize with some really wonderful people. My son is very much an introvert but loves music and has been able to attend the church band practices to get some on the side lessons with different instruments. He's really come out of his shell in that atmosphere.

My daughter does sunday service child care and has also made great connections with other younger kids. She's almost to the point where we'd be comfortable letting her offer some baby-sitting services for members of the church. Several parents have already asked if she is willing.

I just joined the church's' rapid response team. It's a group of about 20 men willing to be manpower for whatever needs other members might have. I haven't done an event with them yet, but just a couple weeks ago they got together to replace a section of an elder member's fence that was damaged in a storm.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I work with many men under the age of 30. I’m not seeing these stats.

maybe because those men have jobs? Maybe you're not seeing the ones whose economic prospects are poor.

I work in the restaurant industry. These dudes aren’t exactly titans of industry.

I assume these are in-person jobs. They might not be titans of industry, but one of his points was that remote work has taken another place to meet people away from many young people.

Thought-provoking video, definitely rings true in many ways. Also is a guy selling his book. One can recognize both of those at the same time. I’d be willing to check out his book/sourcing based on this, though.

Fair point. I deal with a lot of young socially inept kids. Not much has changed in their general behavior/categories. Nerd, jock, etc. Beyond the fact that no one talks anymore. It’s all snap/text. They all go out in my industry. my joke as the old guy is to tell them all, “straight home now” after work.

 

[Judge Smails]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

Why are you so intent on downplaying the struggles of todays young men?

Why are you so intent on putting words in my mouth I didn't say?

I’m not putting words in your mouth, you are actively fighting the notion they face unique struggles. And are strangely defensive. It’s weird. Then you act indignant and try and pretend you aren’t doing it. Super weird.

I suggest you read it again. Maybe start at the beginning.

Sure.

The speaker mentions bars/restaurants closing post-covid. This is a fact, not an opinion, yet:
"Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid."

You immediately countered the point, defending against some unknown attack against your pre-conceived notions using a personal anecdote to combat facts. Then defends the reality of bars closing as defensively with "isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work?"

Then you dismissed everything else by chalking it up "to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it."

When they tried to clarify the closing bars meant fewer places to socialize:

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

You start your rebuttal with "But", immediately countering the comment you're replying to (That's how but works)

"But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age."

You're saying it's not that bad because they have other places I didn't have when I was their age! re: "I had it tough too! What about me????"

Weird.

When the entire point was places to socialize face to face, and half the issue is the online communities don't really offer the same sense of belonging and socialization as in person.

"There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have." A nice false equivalency here to further dismiss the struggles of todays youth. Weird again.

So ya, I'm not putting words in your mouth so much as you may not be understanding the words you're putting to screen.

I have posted like 10 times in the thread. Obviously you didn't read them all and just see what you want too. Good luck with that.

I don't think you realize how you come off. It's ok.

Like how condescending you come off?

You two are ruining a great thread

 

[TheBaylorKid]

A take away from listening to his podcast “lost boys a special” is encouragement for us the older men to go be a mentor be it teaching, after school programs, church or synagogue, etc

Other take away is that in person social spaces for boys is on the decline.
.

My church does a good job with weekly events for all ages. It's been an amazing way to get to meet new people and socialize with some really wonderful people. My son is very much an introvert but loves music and has been able to attend the church band practices to get some on the side lessons with different instruments. He's really come out of his shell in that atmosphere.

My daughter does sunday service child care and has also made great connections with other younger kids. She's almost to the point where we'd be comfortable letting her offer some baby-sitting services for members of the church. Several parents have already asked if she is willing.

I just joined the church's' rapid response team. It's a group of about 20 men willing to be manpower for whatever needs other members might have. I haven't done an event with them yet, but just a couple weeks ago they got together to replace a section of an elder member's fence that was damaged in a storm.

That’s awesome. Thanks for fighting the good fight!

I’ve been leading a Cub Scout Pack at our church. It is a Boys only Pack. Most of these guys don’t play sports so it is a good space for them to interact and learn some stuff.

I’d love to hear from others and what mentoring things you are doing.

 

[General Malaise]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number.

I bet his book cites the sources for those stats.

this.

though I did google.

Here's an old ABC article

I skimmed but I did catch

The bar and nightlife industry, which is six times smaller than the restaurant industry, tallied 5,454 total business closures -- 2,429 of which are permanent -- according to Yelp.

and here's something from the uk talking about how many pubs are going out of business

Over 2,000 pubs have closed since the start of 2020, as sky-high inflation since the Covid pandemic has seen rising costs and falling consumer demand.

So are you suggesting that his figure is accurate? That 40% of bars and pubs have closed since Covid?


Think about it - look around you. Have 4 of every 10 bars or pubs closed around you since 2020? I don't think that's true. Not here.

 

[General Malaise]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

Yes, because citing sources and statistical data gathering/sampling methodology makes for a great talk show interview.

Sorry for wanting accuracy. My bad.

 

[Max Power]

A take away from listening to his podcast “lost boys a special” is encouragement for us the older men to go be a mentor be it teaching, after school programs, church or synagogue, etc

Other take away is that in person social spaces for boys is on the decline.
.

My church does a good job with weekly events for all ages. It's been an amazing way to get to meet new people and socialize with some really wonderful people. My son is very much an introvert but loves music and has been able to attend the church band practices to get some on the side lessons with different instruments. He's really come out of his shell in that atmosphere.

My daughter does sunday service child care and has also made great connections with other younger kids. She's almost to the point where we'd be comfortable letting her offer some baby-sitting services for members of the church. Several parents have already asked if she is willing.

I just joined the church's' rapid response team. It's a group of about 20 men willing to be manpower for whatever needs other members might have. I haven't done an event with them yet, but just a couple weeks ago they got together to replace a section of an elder member's fence that was damaged in a storm.

That’s awesome. Thanks for fighting the good fight!

I’ve been leading a Cub Scout Pack at our church. It is a Boys only Pack. Most of these guys don’t play sports so it is a good space for them to interact and learn some stuff.

I’d love to hear from others and what mentoring things you are doing.

I think scouts is a great avenue for boys and young men. My boys both joined, but shortly after the youngest had a significant leg break and had mobility limitations for about 9 months after, so we backed out and never went back. It would have been a good experience for them to learn useful things. I grew up outside playing with whatever I found, so I learned a lot of basic skills through trial and error. My kids never experienced life that way and I feel like I failed them some ways in that regard. Both are teens now. Smart kids, but at times are clearly lacking life experience. I wish I would have exposed them to more.

 

[General Malaise]

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

This isn't Scott Galloway. This is every poster in the FFA.

Scott Galloway is sympathetic to young men, he is alarmed by what he sees.

They aren't doing anything. They have been cooped up in the house since they were kids, just long enough to develop a video game habit, and maybe some online gambling to boot, They don't go out and get laid, they don't socialize, they don't network, they don't exercise, they don't excel at anything. Anything goes wrong for them, they have a host of parents and teachers and Tik Tokers diagnosing them and telling them how unfair it is to them, which ios true, but that's how you wind with a couple generations of wimps with no social skills, no backbone, and no grit.

I have four sons, how many sons do you have? I'd like your qualifications to make sweeping generalizations about young men because I can tell you as a father of four sons, this is crap. Absolute utter crap.

I have watched two sons enter and exit college with the very same experiences in life that I had. Drinking, partying, drugs, girls, boys, sex and success but oh, they play video games? Yeah, as a social outlet, sometimes. My twin boys are 10 and I guarangoddamntee you they will be every bit as 'manly' as I ever was because I watch them now and they are awesome dudes. Stud athletes, popular students and humble - they volunteer their time with the special needs kids in elementary.

I want some data to back up some of the ridiculous crap being spewed in here before we just nod along and agree that 45% of all men are worthless and weak and afraid of girls or that 40% of all bars and pubs have closed since Covid. Give me a break.

 

[General Malaise]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

It's true, even some of the classics here in Florida that always made money were lost
Orlando, Miami and Tampa all got hit hard, bars with no kitchens and night clubs were turned on their heads during the pandemic

-Let's focus on these 18-24 year olds, almost half have never asked a girl out on a date...the follow up question to that should have been how many FWBs do you actively have in your life, that might have solved some of the mystery. Why do you need to go out on a date and spend money if you live in your parent's basement? You can bypass all that and visit her at her parent's basement

-It's like we've discussed in other threads, it use to be hard work when we were younger to obtain pictures of the female body vs the internet now - click click click
There is no effort required or less young men that are going to adhere to a more classic dating approach

Proof. I want proof that 40% of all bars and pubs have closed since Covid. Proof.

 

[massraider]

Guess we really can't handle much more in here that music drafts, huh?

 

[General Malaise]

Obviously a small sample size, but I feel like more bars or bar/restaurants have opened near me since covid. Plus isn't this how capitalism is supposed to work? Business provide goods or services to the consumer and if the consumer doesn't want these goods or services then the business can't survive and something else usually takes it place, or if you over saturated the market then only the best businesses survive.

As far as the other stuff I chalk it up to the timeless classic of new generation is ruining the planet and we are doomed because it. Same excuse that has been used since anyone can remember. The older generation wants the new generation to have the same values as they did and when they don't they are destroying everything and everyone because humans as a species handle change so well, especially as we age.

Re your first point about capitalism, I don’t think he was making an argument in favor of more bars. He was simply stating an observation that with declining numbers of social settings for young people to interact, it is creating further isolation for young men.

As for your second point about old people complaining that the younger generations are ruining everything, I didn’t get that as his point at all. He sympathizes with rather than criticizes young men, and suggests that the rest of society is ignoring their struggles or even contributing to them in the name of profit.

I have long felt that male suffering is a problem in our society that is and has been largely minimized, criticized or ridiculed.

But they have other places to socialize, whether it is online or new stuff that we didn't do at their age.

There are struggles that we didn’t have, just like we had struggles they didn't have. I agree with the profits over everything problem, but I don't think that is a new problem.

I completely agree with that last paragraph. That men's feelings have always been overlooked with the just suck it up and be a man mantra. Hopefully it gets a good progressive movement that helps, like other issues we have had in the past.

The proliferation of television shows where men are getting therapy is a relatively new development. From Tony Soprano to Ted Lasso to Shrinking and more, there has been a push to show men getting therapeutic help which I don't recall from the 70s/80s/90s. I think that's a good thing to try and remove the stigma that men don't need help with their feelings.

 

[General Malaise]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

I don't know how he got that 45% number, but I do know men that age don't ask women out on dates the same way other generations traditionally did. The "standard" no longer is guy walks up to a girl in a bar and asks for her number, calls her a few times, then takes her to dinner and a movie to get to know her better (much less ever picking them up at their parents house). They're all just on each other's social media (instagram and snapchat) with kids that age having thousands of followers. And they just snap "innocently" and meet up at parties and bars, then hook up. The courting is gone.

Yet if you just scroll through Facebook in the month of October, what do you notice? I know what I notice. A metric crap tonne of pictures of teenagers dressing up for homecoming with cute little signs asking a gal out for the dance. Courting isn't gone. It's right there in front of us. Still happening. There's even pictures to prove it.

 

[Caveman33]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

It's true, even some of the classics here in Florida that always made money were lost
Orlando, Miami and Tampa all got hit hard, bars with no kitchens and night clubs were turned on their heads during the pandemic

-Let's focus on these 18-24 year olds, almost half have never asked a girl out on a date...the follow up question to that should have been how many FWBs do you actively have in your life, that might have solved some of the mystery. Why do you need to go out on a date and spend money if you live in your parent's basement? You can bypass all that and visit her at her parent's basement

-It's like we've discussed in other threads, it use to be hard work when we were younger to obtain pictures of the female body vs the internet now - click click click
There is no effort required or less young men that are going to adhere to a more classic dating approach

Proof. I want proof that 40% of all bars and pubs have closed since Covid. Proof.

I asked Gemini how many bars were in the US in 2019? Estimated 65,706. How many in 2025? Estimated 68,447 to 69,935.

 

[Gally]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

I don't know how he got that 45% number, but I do know men that age don't ask women out on dates the same way other generations traditionally did. The "standard" no longer is guy walks up to a girl in a bar and asks for her number, calls her a few times, then takes her to dinner and a movie to get to know her better (much less ever picking them up at their parents house). They're all just on each other's social media (instagram and snapchat) with kids that age having thousands of followers. And they just snap "innocently" and meet up at parties and bars, then hook up. The courting is gone.

Yet if you just scroll through Facebook in the month of October, what do you notice? I know what I notice. A metric crap tonne of pictures of teenagers dressing up for homecoming with cute little signs asking a gal out for the dance. Courting isn't gone. It's right there in front of us. Still happening. There's even pictures to prove it.

In my kids' cases for these over planned prom date asks they are 95% of the time between two kids that are already going out. Many of the times being mandated by the girlfriend to do because they want pictures of it for social media.

I am not entirely sure this is a good example of men courting women.

 

[General Malaise]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

It's true, even some of the classics here in Florida that always made money were lost
Orlando, Miami and Tampa all got hit hard, bars with no kitchens and night clubs were turned on their heads during the pandemic

-Let's focus on these 18-24 year olds, almost half have never asked a girl out on a date...the follow up question to that should have been how many FWBs do you actively have in your life, that might have solved some of the mystery. Why do you need to go out on a date and spend money if you live in your parent's basement? You can bypass all that and visit her at her parent's basement

-It's like we've discussed in other threads, it use to be hard work when we were younger to obtain pictures of the female body vs the internet now - click click click
There is no effort required or less young men that are going to adhere to a more classic dating approach

Proof. I want proof that 40% of all bars and pubs have closed since Covid. Proof.

I asked Gemini how many bars were in the US in 2019? Estimated 65,706. How many in 2025? Estimated 68,447 to 69,935.

Yeah, I didn't go off on this rant blindly. I asked AI last night how many bars and pubs have closed since Covid and it wasn't even remotely close to 40%. I can't take a person seriously when they just drop inaccurate stats like this.

 

[General Malaise]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

I don't know how he got that 45% number, but I do know men that age don't ask women out on dates the same way other generations traditionally did. The "standard" no longer is guy walks up to a girl in a bar and asks for her number, calls her a few times, then takes her to dinner and a movie to get to know her better (much less ever picking them up at their parents house). They're all just on each other's social media (instagram and snapchat) with kids that age having thousands of followers. And they just snap "innocently" and meet up at parties and bars, then hook up. The courting is gone.

Yet if you just scroll through Facebook in the month of October, what do you notice? I know what I notice. A metric crap tonne of pictures of teenagers dressing up for homecoming with cute little signs asking a gal out for the dance. Courting isn't gone. It's right there in front of us. Still happening. There's even pictures to prove it.

In my kids' cases for these over planned prom date asks they are 95% of the time between two kids that are already going out. Many of the times being mandated by the girlfriend to do because they want pictures of it for social media.

I am not entirely sure this is a good example of men courting women.

Read your bolded statement again and tell me that men aren't courting women.....Come on.