"Notes on Being a Man" (27 Viewers)

[Gally]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

I don't know how he got that 45% number, but I do know men that age don't ask women out on dates the same way other generations traditionally did. The "standard" no longer is guy walks up to a girl in a bar and asks for her number, calls her a few times, then takes her to dinner and a movie to get to know her better (much less ever picking them up at their parents house). They're all just on each other's social media (instagram and snapchat) with kids that age having thousands of followers. And they just snap "innocently" and meet up at parties and bars, then hook up. The courting is gone.

Yet if you just scroll through Facebook in the month of October, what do you notice? I know what I notice. A metric crap tonne of pictures of teenagers dressing up for homecoming with cute little signs asking a gal out for the dance. Courting isn't gone. It's right there in front of us. Still happening. There's even pictures to prove it.

In my kids' cases for these over planned prom date asks they are 95% of the time between two kids that are already going out. Many of the times being mandated by the girlfriend to do because they want pictures of it for social media.

I am not entirely sure this is a good example of men courting women.

Read your bolded statement again and tell me that men aren't courting women.....Come on.

I didn't say courting wasn't happening. I said these fabricated signs for social media purposes isn't a good example for it. Sure you are doing what the girlfriend wants but it's for the purpose of social media. Not really a good thing.

 

[bigbottom]

Ah, okay, I’m going to go ahead and step away - not interested in defending or supporting propositions that aren’t my own. I plan to give the book a read because I am definitely seeing some of the things that are being described amongst my son’s peers. Kids who had a blast in college but seem to now be struggling as young adults in terms of launching careers, building social networks and finding healthy romantic relationships. Perhaps reading the book will provide some insight into the legitimacy and scope of the problem. But I certainly don’t have a vested interest in convincing anyone of any particular issue. I’m sure there are plenty of happy, well-adjusted, sociable, and successful young adults out there like GM’s sons. Not trying to cast aspersions on anyone specifically.

 

[Caveman33]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

It's true, even some of the classics here in Florida that always made money were lost
Orlando, Miami and Tampa all got hit hard, bars with no kitchens and night clubs were turned on their heads during the pandemic

-Let's focus on these 18-24 year olds, almost half have never asked a girl out on a date...the follow up question to that should have been how many FWBs do you actively have in your life, that might have solved some of the mystery. Why do you need to go out on a date and spend money if you live in your parent's basement? You can bypass all that and visit her at her parent's basement

-It's like we've discussed in other threads, it use to be hard work when we were younger to obtain pictures of the female body vs the internet now - click click click
There is no effort required or less young men that are going to adhere to a more classic dating approach

Proof. I want proof that 40% of all bars and pubs have closed since Covid. Proof.

I asked Gemini how many bars were in the US in 2019? Estimated 65,706. How many in 2025? Estimated 68,447 to 69,935.

Yeah, I didn't go off on this rant blindly. I asked AI last night how many bars and pubs have closed since Covid and it wasn't even remotely close to 40%. I can't take a person seriously when they just drop inaccurate stats like this.

I laughed when he opened his TV spot by saying, "The education system is somewhat biased against boys. Think about the behaviors we encourage. Sit still. Be a pleaser. Raise your hand...You probably just described a girl." That's exactly how I was in school. I didn't realize that made me femme. Thought it was just normal, good behavior. From what I saw of Joey Galloway, he seems like a huckster who has latched onto a cultural shift that has been happening for decades.

 

[Deepster]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

I don't know how he got that 45% number, but I do know men that age don't ask women out on dates the same way other generations traditionally did. The "standard" no longer is guy walks up to a girl in a bar and asks for her number, calls her a few times, then takes her to dinner and a movie to get to know her better (much less ever picking them up at their parents house). They're all just on each other's social media (instagram and snapchat) with kids that age having thousands of followers. And they just snap "innocently" and meet up at parties and bars, then hook up. The courting is gone.

Yet if you just scroll through Facebook in the month of October, what do you notice? I know what I notice. A metric crap tonne of pictures of teenagers dressing up for homecoming with cute little signs asking a gal out for the dance. Courting isn't gone. It's right there in front of us. Still happening. There's even pictures to prove it.

They are socially forced to go through the "prom-posal" for the Instagram post. It's not happening outside that forced, school-led event.

 

[Joe Bryant]

big fan. it's scott galloway.

Thought it was either this or Jordan Peterson. Best to avoid giving CBS News traffic though.

CBS?

 

[General Malaise]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

I don't know how he got that 45% number, but I do know men that age don't ask women out on dates the same way other generations traditionally did. The "standard" no longer is guy walks up to a girl in a bar and asks for her number, calls her a few times, then takes her to dinner and a movie to get to know her better (much less ever picking them up at their parents house). They're all just on each other's social media (instagram and snapchat) with kids that age having thousands of followers. And they just snap "innocently" and meet up at parties and bars, then hook up. The courting is gone.

Yet if you just scroll through Facebook in the month of October, what do you notice? I know what I notice. A metric crap tonne of pictures of teenagers dressing up for homecoming with cute little signs asking a gal out for the dance. Courting isn't gone. It's right there in front of us. Still happening. There's even pictures to prove it.

In my kids' cases for these over planned prom date asks they are 95% of the time between two kids that are already going out. Many of the times being mandated by the girlfriend to do because they want pictures of it for social media.

I am not entirely sure this is a good example of men courting women.

Read your bolded statement again and tell me that men aren't courting women.....Come on.

I didn't say courting wasn't happening. I said these fabricated signs for social media purposes isn't a good example for it. Sure you are doing what the girlfriend wants but it's for the purpose of social media. Not really a good thing.

Forget the signs, look at all the pictures being posted in October by your friends who have teenagers.....my FB feed is festooned with pictures of teenage boys and girls dressed up for homecoming. Is that the best indication that dating is still occurring in America? Maybe not, but again, I can only go by what I see and what I'm seeing is boys and girls going out to dances all over in the month of October. It'll be the same in May for Prom.

The world isn't going to stop spinning. People aren't going to stop screwing. This is alarmist behavior trying to sell a book.

Hey, you want some science? Here's some science, courtesy of The Health and Human Services:

In the United States, recent data show that rates of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) reached an all-time high in 2021 among both females and males, and all racial and ethnic groups. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the number of combined cases of gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia was more than 2.4 million in 2023.While rates of gonorrhea and syphilis are slowing, reported STIs remain high and racial, ethnic, and sexual minority groups remain disproportionately affected.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Interesting interview on Today

Thanks for the link. I've seen a few clips on social but not the whole segment.

I like Galloway a lot. Don't agree with him on some stuff but I think he gets a ton of things right. He's been talking about this topic with young men for a good while and I see a lot of what he's saying.

 

[General Malaise]

So 45% of men don't ask women out but STIs reached an all-time high in 2021. Sure, that makes total sense.

 

[General Malaise]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

I don't know how he got that 45% number, but I do know men that age don't ask women out on dates the same way other generations traditionally did. The "standard" no longer is guy walks up to a girl in a bar and asks for her number, calls her a few times, then takes her to dinner and a movie to get to know her better (much less ever picking them up at their parents house). They're all just on each other's social media (instagram and snapchat) with kids that age having thousands of followers. And they just snap "innocently" and meet up at parties and bars, then hook up. The courting is gone.

Yet if you just scroll through Facebook in the month of October, what do you notice? I know what I notice. A metric crap tonne of pictures of teenagers dressing up for homecoming with cute little signs asking a gal out for the dance. Courting isn't gone. It's right there in front of us. Still happening. There's even pictures to prove it.

They are socially forced to go through the "prom-posal" for the Instagram post. It's not happening outside that forced, school-led event.

I don't agree with that at all. Nobody is forcing teenagers to go to prom or homecoming. It's happening because it's always happened. It happened when our parents were teenagers, it happened when we were teenagers and it's happening now. It'll happen when we're grandparents too.

 

[Caveman33]

So 45% of men don't ask women out but STIs reached an all-time high in 2021. Sure, that makes total sense.

10% of men are getting all the STIs. Hogging everything for themselves.

 

[General Malaise]

So 45% of men don't ask women out but STIs reached an all-time high in 2021. Sure, that makes total sense.

10% of men are getting all the STIs. Hogging everything for themselves.

Now this is the kind of math I'm looking for in here.

 

[Gally]

Is that the best indication that dating is still occurring in America? Maybe not, but again, I can only go by what I see and what I'm seeing is boys and girls going out to dances all over in the month of October. It'll be the same in May for Prom.

Hey, you want some science? Here's some science, courtesy of The Health and Human Services:

I think there is a difference between hanging out in groups and having sex with multiple partners and developing quality long term relationships. There is a place for both and it seems like the former is happening a lot more than the latter. If the latter isn't happening society seems to suffer because of it. I think that is the issue at hand.

It's at least worth discussion instead of just glossing over the items that are of concern because I see pictures of kids hanging out with the opposite sex and STD's being on the rise.

 

[AAABatteries]

Men aren't men anymore because they call AAA

 

[General Malaise]

Is that the best indication that dating is still occurring in America? Maybe not, but again, I can only go by what I see and what I'm seeing is boys and girls going out to dances all over in the month of October. It'll be the same in May for Prom.

Hey, you want some science? Here's some science, courtesy of The Health and Human Services:

I think there is a difference between hanging out in groups and having sex with multiple partners and developing quality long term relationships. There is a place for both and it seems like the former is happening a lot more than the latter. If the latter isn't happening society seems to suffer because of it. I think that is the issue at hand.

It's at least worth discussion instead of just glossing over the items that are of concern because I see pictures of kids hanging out with the opposite sex and STD's being on the rise.

Well, first of all, how many MANLY MEN are watching Good Morning America? Don't most MANLY MEN have jobs that take them away from morning television shows? I thought only women watched those. So I'm not sure who he thinks he's reaching here.

Second, I can't enter into this discussion when his first order of business is saying things like 40% of all bars and pubs have closed since Covid or that 45% of all men under the age of 25 have never approached a woman. I need to see the proof of these numbers before I even entertain listening further. That's probably a me problem, though.

 

[General Malaise]

I just want the math to math.

 

[Gally]

Second, I can't enter into this discussion when his first order of business is saying things like 40% of all bars and pubs have closed since Covid or that 45% of all men under the age of 25 have never approached a woman. I need to see the proof of these numbers before I even entertain listening further. That's probably a me problem, though.

But he isn't here. The video was a post to start a discussion here. Why can't we go past the finite details and talk bigger picture here amongst ourselves? If your contention is that there isn't a problem and everything is 100% good on social interactions and long term relationships then move along. Some don't believe that to be the case (even if we don't believe all that stats the original video was spouting out).

ETA: I thought a lot of that guys stats were very questionable but I thought the overall topic and issue is still valid.

 

[HellToupee]

This was an interesting thread that kind of went off the rails

 

[Joe Bryant]

Is that the best indication that dating is still occurring in America? Maybe not, but again, I can only go by what I see and what I'm seeing is boys and girls going out to dances all over in the month of October. It'll be the same in May for Prom.

Hey, you want some science? Here's some science, courtesy of The Health and Human Services:

I think there is a difference between hanging out in groups and having sex with multiple partners and developing quality long term relationships. There is a place for both and it seems like the former is happening a lot more than the latter. If the latter isn't happening society seems to suffer because of it. I think that is the issue at hand.

It's at least worth discussion instead of just glossing over the items that are of concern because I see pictures of kids hanging out with the opposite sex and STD's being on the rise.

Well, first of all, how many MANLY MEN are watching Good Morning America? Don't most MANLY MEN have jobs that take them away from morning television shows? I thought only women watched those. So I'm not sure who he thinks he's reaching here.

Second, I can't enter into this discussion when his first order of business is saying things like 40% of all bars and pubs have closed since Covid or that 45% of all men under the age of 25 have never approached a woman. I need to see the proof of these numbers before I even entertain listening further. That's probably a me problem, though.

Sure, I don't think morning television has any effect on the message. He's got a book to sell and is going to be on everywhere he can.

For the stats, he's a thoughtful guy. I'd be pretty surprised if he didn't have real data to back up what he's saying.

 

[the moops]

I don't know if the 40% is accurate but it doesn't sound all that crazy. I remember reading that it is close to 1 out of 3 bars/restaurants don't survive their first year so 40% being closed since 2020 doesn't sound outrageous. I imagine that 40% doesn't take into all the new places that have opened in that timeframe though

 

[Charlie Steiner]

He's got a book to sell and is going to be on everywhere he can.

It takes a big idea to attract the attention of consumers and get them to buy your product. ~David Ogilvy.

 

[bigbottom]

How does he know 45% of men between the ages of 18 and 24 have never asked a woman out on a date? Prove it.

And women are really - REALLY - coming up to a bald headed egg with glasses saying "why won't men approach me???".

Good lord.

I don't know how he got that 45% number, but I do know men that age don't ask women out on dates the same way other generations traditionally did. The "standard" no longer is guy walks up to a girl in a bar and asks for her number, calls her a few times, then takes her to dinner and a movie to get to know her better (much less ever picking them up at their parents house). They're all just on each other's social media (instagram and snapchat) with kids that age having thousands of followers. And they just snap "innocently" and meet up at parties and bars, then hook up. The courting is gone.

Yet if you just scroll through Facebook in the month of October, what do you notice? I know what I notice. A metric crap tonne of pictures of teenagers dressing up for homecoming with cute little signs asking a gal out for the dance. Courting isn't gone. It's right there in front of us. Still happening. There's even pictures to prove it.

In my kids' cases for these over planned prom date asks they are 95% of the time between two kids that are already going out. Many of the times being mandated by the girlfriend to do because they want pictures of it for social media.

I am not entirely sure this is a good example of men courting women.

Read your bolded statement again and tell me that men aren't courting women.....Come on.

I didn't say courting wasn't happening. I said these fabricated signs for social media purposes isn't a good example for it. Sure you are doing what the girlfriend wants but it's for the purpose of social media. Not really a good thing.

Forget the signs, look at all the pictures being posted in October by your friends who have teenagers.....my FB feed is festooned with pictures of teenage boys and girls dressed up for homecoming. Is that the best indication that dating is still occurring in America? Maybe not, but again, I can only go by what I see and what I'm seeing is boys and girls going out to dances all over in the month of October. It'll be the same in May for Prom.

The world isn't going to stop spinning. People aren't going to stop screwing. This is alarmist behavior trying to sell a book.

Hey, you want some science? Here's some science, courtesy of The Health and Human Services:

In the United States, recent data show that rates of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) reached an all-time high in 2021 among both females and males, and all racial and ethnic groups. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the number of combined cases of gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia was more than 2.4 million in 2023.While rates of gonorrhea and syphilis are slowing, reported STIs remain high and racial, ethnic, and sexual minority groups remain disproportionately affected.

During middle and high school, there is generally a pretty established structure for social interaction. I could be wrong, but I think Galloway is focusing on those young adult males that no longer have that established structure and are becoming increasingly isolated from peers because they live at home, work remotely (or don’t work at all), and are becoming less inclined to interact socially with others in person whether through decreased opportunity, or decreased interest.

High school forces everyone into a room with their peers on a daily basis.

 

[bigbottom]

Is that the best indication that dating is still occurring in America? Maybe not, but again, I can only go by what I see and what I'm seeing is boys and girls going out to dances all over in the month of October. It'll be the same in May for Prom.

Hey, you want some science? Here's some science, courtesy of The Health and Human Services:

I think there is a difference between hanging out in groups and having sex with multiple partners and developing quality long term relationships. There is a place for both and it seems like the former is happening a lot more than the latter. If the latter isn't happening society seems to suffer because of it. I think that is the issue at hand.

It's at least worth discussion instead of just glossing over the items that are of concern because I see pictures of kids hanging out with the opposite sex and STD's being on the rise.

Well, first of all, how many MANLY MEN are watching Good Morning America? Don't most MANLY MEN have jobs that take them away from morning television shows? I thought only women watched those. So I'm not sure who he thinks he's reaching here.

Mothers of boys.

 

[Caveman33]

Second, I can't enter into this discussion when his first order of business is saying things like 40% of all bars and pubs have closed since Covid or that 45% of all men under the age of 25 have never approached a woman. I need to see the proof of these numbers before I even entertain listening further. That's probably a me problem, though.

But he isn't here. The video was a post to start a discussion here. Why can't we go past the finite details and talk bigger picture here amongst ourselves? If your contention is that there isn't a problem and everything is 100% good on social interactions and long term relationships then move along. Some don't believe that to be the case (even if we don't believe all that stats the original video was spouting out).

ETA: I thought a lot of that guys stats were very questionable but I thought the overall topic and issue is still valid.

At the end, Galloway warns that we are planning our own extinction. Elon Musk is the main person I hear beating the drum about population decline. I think population decline is a natural response to conditions and healthy for our planet. It's certainly not good for pyramid schemes like social security but any issues that arise from population decline would lead to societal changes which then lead to population increase.
Galloway closed his segment by saying men need relationships more than women. Said widowers are happier after their husband dies. Said men in relationships have a supposed 7 year life expectancy advantage vs 2 for women. Maybe neither women nor men need relationships? Many people are voluntarily celibate. A larger percentage of men and women have decided the juice is not worth the squeeze.

 

[Caveman33]

I don't know if the 40% is accurate but it doesn't sound all that crazy. I remember reading that it is close to 1 out of 3 bars/restaurants don't survive their first year so 40% being closed since 2020 doesn't sound outrageous. I imagine that 40% doesn't take into all the new places that have opened in that timeframe though

Yea, there is responsibility on the person presenting the statistics to use them in a reasonable way. Galloway claimed 40% of bars closing caused a loss of socializing places for young men and women. Even if his statistic were accurate, supposing that rate of bar failure is normal and the total number of bars has actually increased since Covid, then Galloway becomes an untrustworthy source of information.

 

[Sand]

On the quiet desperation of our young men - this link really shows how bad off our young men are. Our education system has completely let things get out of kilter:

2020 Update: “For Every 100 Girls…..” Part I

In 2011, Thomas G. Mortenson, senior scholar at the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education in Washington, D.C. and independent higher education policy analyst, put together and published the 100+ item list “For Every 100 Girls….” on Education Week. In an email, Tom...

www.aei.org

One other interesting statistic - As of early 2023, equal workplace fatality day will be in September, 2032. That tells you something about how desperate our young men are and the chances they take to integrate into society.

 

[Gally]

Maybe neither women nor men need relationships? Many people are voluntarily celibate.

I think this goes against human nature. Isn't it human nature to want to continue on your genes? Isn't that a fundamental human driving force? I am sure there are some humans that have made choices not to procreate because of various reasons but I don't believe that is human nature perse.

 

[General Malaise]

I don't know if the 40% is accurate but it doesn't sound all that crazy. I remember reading that it is close to 1 out of 3 bars/restaurants don't survive their first year so 40% being closed since 2020 doesn't sound outrageous. I imagine that 40% doesn't take into all the new places that have opened in that timeframe though

Alright, well.....I'll no longer question the guy. I'll just accept his figures as fact and move along.

 

[Harry Manback]

So 45% of men don't ask women out but STIs reached an all-time high in 2021. Sure, that makes total sense.

10% of men are getting all the STIs. Hogging everything for themselves.

Now this is the kind of math I'm looking for in here.

All jokes aside, I think something like 10% of men on dating apps are getting with 90% of the woman on the apps. So that could explain the rise if a few disease ridden men are spreading it to the woman.

 

[Caveman33]

Maybe neither women nor men need relationships? Many people are voluntarily celibate.

I think this goes against human nature. Isn't it human nature to want to continue on your genes? Isn't that a fundamental human driving force? I am sure there are some humans that have made choices not to procreate because of various reasons but I don't believe that is human nature perse.

I agree that procreation is nature at it's core. Some animals die right after, yet they are still driven to procreate. Humans are so evolved that other things can override and tamper with our drive to procreate. But procreate is definitely our default condition. That's why I wouldn't worry about a small trend in population decline leading to extinction. Climate change or drone warfare seem like much bigger threats to me.

eta: I just thought about how zoo animals are less likely to procreate there than in the wild. On the surface, I would think that's crazy. Sure I wouldn't be thrilled about being in a cage but dropping Sydney Sweeney in there with me doesn't sound terrible. Then I realized they might be forcing Lena Dunham on me. It could be a nightmare of an arranged marriage. Under stress, animals are less likely to procreate. While it seems the modern conveniences of the 21st century make life much easier, maybe we are somehow experiencing more stress?

 

[General Malaise]

I don't know if the 40% is accurate but it doesn't sound all that crazy. I remember reading that it is close to 1 out of 3 bars/restaurants don't survive their first year so 40% being closed since 2020 doesn't sound outrageous. I imagine that 40% doesn't take into all the new places that have opened in that timeframe though

Yea, there is responsibility on the person presenting the statistics to use them in a reasonable way. Galloway claimed 40% of bars closing caused a loss of socializing places for young men and women. Even if his statistic were accurate, supposing that rate of bar failure is normal and the total number of bars has actually increased since Covid, then Galloway becomes an untrustworthy source of information.

Meanwhile, there are 50 million people using Bumble, 75 million people using Tinder and 85 million registered users of Ashley Madison. Somebody is getting out there and knocking boots, Mr. Galloway.

We also now have a giant spike in same sex marriages, but I don't think we're supposed to talk about that in here. How refreshing it is that in today's society, that's completely normal and not taboo. I consider it progress that men and women now feel comfortable openly being who they are. Wasn't like that not all that long ago. Hooray for that.

Doom and gloom sells, so on with it. World is going stop spinning soon, I suppose.

 

[Gr00vus]

Maybe neither women nor men need relationships? Many people are voluntarily celibate.

I think this goes against human nature. Isn't it human nature to want to continue on your genes? Isn't that a fundamental human driving force? I am sure there are some humans that have made choices not to procreate because of various reasons but I don't believe that is human nature perse.

You don't need a sustained relationship to procreate.

 

[Gally]

Maybe neither women nor men need relationships? Many people are voluntarily celibate.

I think this goes against human nature. Isn't it human nature to want to continue on your genes? Isn't that a fundamental human driving force? I am sure there are some humans that have made choices not to procreate because of various reasons but I don't believe that is human nature perse.

You don't need a sustained relationship to procreate.

Of course not but it does help in making a better society.

 

[Juxtatarot]

big fan. it's scott galloway.

Thought it was either this or Jordan Peterson. Best to avoid giving CBS News traffic though.

CBS?

Since Bari Weiss has been named Editor-In-Chief of CBS News, there is the belief that its coverage is shifting conservative. Probably best to leave it at that to avoid politics.

 

[Gr00vus]

So 45% of men don't ask women out but STIs reached an all-time high in 2021. Sure, that makes total sense.

You can get the clap from dirty game controllers. Everyone knows this.

 

[Gr00vus]

Maybe neither women nor men need relationships? Many people are voluntarily celibate.

I think this goes against human nature. Isn't it human nature to want to continue on your genes? Isn't that a fundamental human driving force? I am sure there are some humans that have made choices not to procreate because of various reasons but I don't believe that is human nature perse.

You don't need a sustained relationship to procreate.

Of course not but it does help in making a better society.

You were talking about continuing your genes. No real long term relationship required for that. Making a better society is an entirely different consideration.

 

[General Malaise]

So 45% of men don't ask women out but STIs reached an all-time high in 2021. Sure, that makes total sense.

You can get the clap from dirty game controllers. Everyone knows this.

And riding a tractor!

 

[Harry Manback]

I don't know if the 40% is accurate but it doesn't sound all that crazy. I remember reading that it is close to 1 out of 3 bars/restaurants don't survive their first year so 40% being closed since 2020 doesn't sound outrageous. I imagine that 40% doesn't take into all the new places that have opened in that timeframe though

Yea, there is responsibility on the person presenting the statistics to use them in a reasonable way. Galloway claimed 40% of bars closing caused a loss of socializing places for young men and women. Even if his statistic were accurate, supposing that rate of bar failure is normal and the total number of bars has actually increased since Covid, then Galloway becomes an untrustworthy source of information.

Meanwhile, there are 50 million people using Bumble, 75 million people using Tinder and 85 million registered users of Ashley Madison. Somebody is getting out there and knocking boots, Mr. Galloway.

We also now have a giant spike in same sex marriages, but I don't think we're supposed to talk about that in here. How refreshing it is that in today's society, that's completely normal and not taboo. I consider it progress that men and women now feel comfortable openly being who they are. Wasn't like that not all that long ago. Hooray for that.

Doom and gloom sells, so on with it. World is going stop spinning soon, I suppose.

I think the more concerning stats are 63% of men under 30 are single and 15% of them report having no friends, which is 5x more than from 1990.

30 years ago 55% of men reported having 6 more more friends, now it's about half that. It's a concerning trend.

 

[Gally]

Maybe neither women nor men need relationships? Many people are voluntarily celibate.

I think this goes against human nature. Isn't it human nature to want to continue on your genes? Isn't that a fundamental human driving force? I am sure there are some humans that have made choices not to procreate because of various reasons but I don't believe that is human nature perse.

You don't need a sustained relationship to procreate.

Of course not but it does help in making a better society.

You were talking about continuing your genes. No real long term relationship required for that. Making a better society is an entirely different consideration.

True. I think the OP is dealing more with the importance of lasting relationships and this kind of left that a bit as I addressed a different comment.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number.

I bet his book cites the sources for those stats.

this.

though I did google.

Here's an old ABC article

I skimmed but I did catch

The bar and nightlife industry, which is six times smaller than the restaurant industry, tallied 5,454 total business closures -- 2,429 of which are permanent -- according to Yelp.

and here's something from the uk talking about how many pubs are going out of business

Over 2,000 pubs have closed since the start of 2020, as sky-high inflation since the Covid pandemic has seen rising costs and falling consumer demand.

So are you suggesting that his figure is accurate? That 40% of bars and pubs have closed since Covid?


Think about it - look around you. Have 4 of every 10 bars or pubs closed around you since 2020? I don't think that's true. Not here.

Honestly, I wouldn't know. I'm not sure if I've ever been to a bar but there have been a fair amount of restaurant closures.

What you are suggesting is that it was just a random number he threw out but I think common sense says that it was based on some study or he did his own research. Both the ABC article and the uk one cite actual numbers though. Is that 40%? I don't know. I did it not to prove or disprove his statement. Just trying to hunt for things is a little fun for me.

 

[Gr00vus]

So 45% of men don't ask women out but STIs reached an all-time high in 2021. Sure, that makes total sense.

You can get the clap from dirty game controllers. Everyone knows this.

And riding a tractor!

Exactly. Except tractor riding is probably more manly than playing with your x box.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

So 45% of men don't ask women out but STIs reached an all-time high in 2021. Sure, that makes total sense.

You can get the clap from dirty game controllers. Everyone knows this.

And riding a tractor!

We've gone from tractors to dirty game controllers. Makes me want to play a game of Farming Simulator.

 

[General Malaise]

Maybe neither women nor men need relationships? Many people are voluntarily celibate.

I think this goes against human nature. Isn't it human nature to want to continue on your genes? Isn't that a fundamental human driving force? I am sure there are some humans that have made choices not to procreate because of various reasons but I don't believe that is human nature perse.

You don't need a sustained relationship to procreate.

Of course not but it does help in making a better society.

Our society used to discourage people from divorce; in fact, many religions forbade it. I don't think that was a better society, IMO.

 

[Gr00vus]

So 45% of men don't ask women out but STIs reached an all-time high in 2021. Sure, that makes total sense.

You can get the clap from dirty game controllers. Everyone knows this.

And riding a tractor!

We've gone from tractors to dirty game controllers. Makes me want to play a game of Farming Simulator.

Just be sure to use protection when you do.

 

[Gally]

Maybe neither women nor men need relationships? Many people are voluntarily celibate.

I think this goes against human nature. Isn't it human nature to want to continue on your genes? Isn't that a fundamental human driving force? I am sure there are some humans that have made choices not to procreate because of various reasons but I don't believe that is human nature perse.

You don't need a sustained relationship to procreate.

Of course not but it does help in making a better society.

Our society used to discourage people from divorce; in fact, many religions forbade it. I don't think that was a better society, IMO.

Forcing bad relationships to stay together because divorce isn't an option is not good. Learning how to build a long term healthy relationship is a good thing for society.

 

[Max Power]

While it seems the modern conveniences of the 21st century make life much easier, maybe we are somehow experiencing more stress?

One of the theories with kids and social media is that there is no "off" button for a lot of these kids. Historically social time with peers ended after school let or out and once you went home for dinner. Now their drama continues until they fall asleep... only to wake up and repeat the pattern. They just aren't capable of the same level of "escape" that prior generations had.

 

[Jayrod]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

Yes, because citing sources and statistical data gathering/sampling methodology makes for a great talk show interview.

Sorry for wanting accuracy. My bad.

Your bad for what you said, not your intentions.

 

[Gr00vus]

Technological advancements will continuously improve the sophistication of relationship simulators over time, and will also keep shifting economic roles and prospects. These two consequences are already having an impact on human psychological development and the nature of inter-human relationships. There probably is no going back to what people were used to 40 years ago.

 

[ChiefD]

I'd be interested in "Notes on Being a Parent"

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I would really like to see the proof that 40% of bars have closed since Covid. That's a staggering number. This guy throws numbers around absent any documentation or push back. Why is he being lionized exactly?

And I'm sure all the men he went after are busy watching Good Morning America to get his memo.

It's true, even some of the classics here in Florida that always made money were lost
Orlando, Miami and Tampa all got hit hard, bars with no kitchens and night clubs were turned on their heads during the pandemic

-Let's focus on these 18-24 year olds, almost half have never asked a girl out on a date...the follow up question to that should have been how many FWBs do you actively have in your life, that might have solved some of the mystery. Why do you need to go out on a date and spend money if you live in your parent's basement? You can bypass all that and visit her at her parent's basement

-It's like we've discussed in other threads, it use to be hard work when we were younger to obtain pictures of the female body vs the internet now - click click click
There is no effort required or less young men that are going to adhere to a more classic dating approach

Proof. I want proof that 40% of all bars and pubs have closed since Covid. Proof.

Not in my area. There are a bunch of start up and fail, rinse and repeat failures. But that’s mostly location issues, coupled with greedy landlords. Some of the rents down here aren’t tenable for a small business. None of the stalwarts have closed

 

[Mookie]

I'd be interested in "Notes on Being a Parent"

"Notes on Being a Jets Fan" would probably sell, as a tragedy.