"Notes on Being a Man" (2 Viewers)

[Gally]

Historical trends
1980s: The median age of first-time homebuyers was around 29 years old.
2021: The median age was 33.
2022: The median age rose to 36.
2023: The median age was 35.
2024: The median age reached 38, a record high at the time.
2025: The median age is now 40

I'm sure interest rates have NOTHING to do with this....

Average interest rate in 1980.............18.45%

2021........2.65%
2022........5.34%
2023.........7.79%

So while they are trending up they are still nowhere close to what they were in 1980. Not sure if you are making the point you think you are making.

The median sale price of a home in 1980 was $64,000 ($250,000 in today's money).

The median sale price of a home in 2025 is $410,000

Right. that is the biggest factor for affordability. Not the interest rate.

Yes, that is a large factor, agreed. But rates are also deterring buyers at the moment. From NPR: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/26/nx-s1-5478757/home-price-record-mortgage-rates

Many buyers are deterred by high mortgage rates​

There are significantly more homes for sale than there were a year ago, but inventory is still lower than it was pre-pandemic.

And elevated mortgage rates — currently averaging 6.74% — are discouraging would-be buyers. For those who are trying to enter the market and buy their first home, these high rates on top of high prices mean they simply can't make the numbers work. Each percentage in interest can add hundreds of dollars to a monthly payment.

"It is pricing out buyers," says Lautz. Mortgage rates are also discouraging people from selling, she continues: "We also know the lock-in effect is real. People who have lower-interest-rate mortgages are just not willing to make this move right now unless they have a lot of housing equity."

Compared to the 80's they aren't high rates. The issue isn't specifically the rate it's the rate coupled with the purchase price. House prices are so high that even these comparably low rates (when compared to the 80's) is more significant. if the housing price was more in line with 80's prices then the interest rate wouldn't matter.

 

[Judge Smails]

The 40% of bars closing is the least important stat in the whole analysis - yet it is the one getting the most attention here. Interesting

 

[Judge Smails]

Historical trends
1980s: The median age of first-time homebuyers was around 29 years old.
2021: The median age was 33.
2022: The median age rose to 36.
2023: The median age was 35.
2024: The median age reached 38, a record high at the time.
2025: The median age is now 40

I'm sure interest rates have NOTHING to do with this....

Average interest rate in 1980.............18.45%

2021........2.65%
2022........5.34%
2023.........7.79%

So while they are trending up they are still nowhere close to what they were in 1980. Not sure if you are making the point you think you are making.

The median sale price of a home in 1980 was $64,000 ($250,000 in today's money).

The median sale price of a home in 2025 is $410,000

Right. that is the biggest factor for affordability. Not the interest rate.

Yes, that is a large factor, agreed. But rates are also deterring buyers at the moment. From NPR: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/26/nx-s1-5478757/home-price-record-mortgage-rates

Many buyers are deterred by high mortgage rates​

There are significantly more homes for sale than there were a year ago, but inventory is still lower than it was pre-pandemic.

And elevated mortgage rates — currently averaging 6.74% — are discouraging would-be buyers. For those who are trying to enter the market and buy their first home, these high rates on top of high prices mean they simply can't make the numbers work. Each percentage in interest can add hundreds of dollars to a monthly payment.

"It is pricing out buyers," says Lautz. Mortgage rates are also discouraging people from selling, she continues: "We also know the lock-in effect is real. People who have lower-interest-rate mortgages are just not willing to make this move right now unless they have a lot of housing equity."

Compared to the 80's they aren't high rates. The issue isn't specifically the rate it's the rate coupled with the purchase price. House prices are so high that even these comparably low rates (when compared to the 80's) is more significant. if the housing price was more in line with 80's prices then the interest rate wouldn't matter.

It’s 1,000% price escalation over interest rates. Interest rates are just making a hard situation harder for those on the edge of affordability. But the interest rate could be zero and most still couldn’t afford the down or monthly payment in many areas.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Same here. We have two homes. One we lived in one for many years. The other we just bought for retirement. I would sell the primary home within 3 years if the home sale exemption was double or went away entirely (govt makes almost nothing on it anyway becasue of tax avoidance strategies). If you want me to add it to the supply, incentivize me to do so. You could also incentivize me by making my kids inherit it at what I paid for it, but there are so many ways around that with trusts, etc that it would backfire. Just get rid of it.

Are you arguing to get rid of the Sec 121 home sale exclusion (i.e. the first $250k/500k exempt from capital gains tax), or are you arguing to get rid of capital gains taxes entirely on a principal residence (i.e. you could sell a principal residence fully tax-free regardless of gain)? Or are you saying the gains should be fully taxed at capital gains rates? I'm not sure I'm following.

FWIW, Canada allows a full exclusion for a sale of principal residence - no taxes on a sale of principal residence. It's a nice perk but the Canadian housing market is arguably even more ****ed than the American market, depending on location. I'm not sure what the right tax policy would be. It's an interesting discussion.

 

[General Malaise]

Historical trends
1980s: The median age of first-time homebuyers was around 29 years old.
2021: The median age was 33.
2022: The median age rose to 36.
2023: The median age was 35.
2024: The median age reached 38, a record high at the time.
2025: The median age is now 40

I'm sure interest rates have NOTHING to do with this....

Average interest rate in 1980.............18.45%

2021........2.65%
2022........5.34%
2023.........7.79%

So while they are trending up they are still nowhere close to what they were in 1980. Not sure if you are making the point you think you are making.

The median sale price of a home in 1980 was $64,000 ($250,000 in today's money).

The median sale price of a home in 2025 is $410,000

Right. that is the biggest factor for affordability. Not the interest rate.

Yes, that is a large factor, agreed. But rates are also deterring buyers at the moment. From NPR: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/26/nx-s1-5478757/home-price-record-mortgage-rates

Many buyers are deterred by high mortgage rates​

There are significantly more homes for sale than there were a year ago, but inventory is still lower than it was pre-pandemic.

And elevated mortgage rates — currently averaging 6.74% — are discouraging would-be buyers. For those who are trying to enter the market and buy their first home, these high rates on top of high prices mean they simply can't make the numbers work. Each percentage in interest can add hundreds of dollars to a monthly payment.

"It is pricing out buyers," says Lautz. Mortgage rates are also discouraging people from selling, she continues: "We also know the lock-in effect is real. People who have lower-interest-rate mortgages are just not willing to make this move right now unless they have a lot of housing equity."

Compared to the 80's they aren't high rates. The issue isn't specifically the rate it's the rate coupled with the purchase price. House prices are so high that even these comparably low rates (when compared to the 80's) is more significant. if the housing price was more in line with 80's prices then the interest rate wouldn't matter.

I do understand this, thank you. But I also think a higher interest rate environment is a factor for some. It's not the overriding factor that's causing a slowdown in sales, but there's evidence to suggest buyers are waiting to see where rates go before making a mega-purchase.

 

[Jmiller21kg]

Thanks for sharing this! Will have to add his book to my future reading list.

I try to think of certain root causes for all of this and I can certainly say the addition of a particular portable handheld device in the late 2000s that gave us access to be terminally connected is at least one of them. Humanity, and human brains in particular, were not meant to be connected 24/7 to the virtual world. I shudder to think of the outcomes once more and more young men also get hooked into sports gambling directly from these devices.

I was in a cafe the other day reading and a younger boy was glued to his phone while what appeared to be his gma was kind of just looking around, sipping her coffee and taking in the environment around her while simultaneously trying to have some sort of conversation with her grandson. It was depressing to see. A good reminder for me though to continue to limit my time on my phone and interact more with the real world.

I also find it funny how it seems each new screen watching device seems to get worse and worse for you. TVs to desktop computers, desktop computers to laptops, laptops to smart phones. Now potentially smartphones to those virtual goggles or whatever the hell they are called. TV is probably easily the best option for you nowadays!

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Same here. We have two homes. One we lived in one for many years. The other we just bought for retirement. I would sell the primary home within 3 years if the home sale exemption was double or went away entirely (govt makes almost nothing on it anyway becasue of tax avoidance strategies). If you want me to add it to the supply, incentivize me to do so. You could also incentivize me by making my kids inherit it at what I paid for it, but there are so many ways around that with trusts, etc that it would backfire. Just get rid of it.

Are you arguing to get rid of the Sec 121 home sale exclusion (i.e. the first $250k/500k exempt from capital gains tax), or are you arguing to get rid of capital gains taxes entirely on a principal residence (i.e. you could sell a principal residence fully tax-free regardless of gain)? Or are you saying the gains should be fully taxed at capital gains rates? I'm not sure I'm following.

FWIW, Canada allows a full exclusion for a sale of principal residence - no taxes on a sale of principal residence. It's a nice perk but the Canadian housing market is arguably even more ****ed than the American market, depending on location. I'm not sure what the right tax policy would be. It's an interesting discussion.

I am arguing for the second option you presented. Get rid of capital gains on principle residences. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But anyone with 2 houses usually has the ability to hold them until death or smart tax accountants, which means they avoid it anyways.

I am as far as possible from an expert on the Canadian market. My initial thought would be Canadian and US homeownership policies are not correlated. So much is different, from the overall tax structure of Canada, to the limited livable areas of Canada due to weather and accessibility. But I could be way off. I've been to Vancouver area and that is all. Whistler and Vancouver Island are as pretty as it gets. BTW.

Our tax structure is too complex. Why keep this rather meaningless wrinkle?

 

[Harry Manback]

Historical trends
1980s: The median age of first-time homebuyers was around 29 years old.
2021: The median age was 33.
2022: The median age rose to 36.
2023: The median age was 35.
2024: The median age reached 38, a record high at the time.
2025: The median age is now 40

I'm sure interest rates have NOTHING to do with this....

Average interest rate in 1980.............18.45%

2021........2.65%
2022........5.34%
2023.........7.79%

So while they are trending up they are still nowhere close to what they were in 1980. Not sure if you are making the point you think you are making.

The median sale price of a home in 1980 was $64,000 ($250,000 in today's money).

The median sale price of a home in 2025 is $410,000

Right. that is the biggest factor for affordability. Not the interest rate.

Yes, that is a large factor, agreed. But rates are also deterring buyers at the moment. From NPR: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/26/nx-s1-5478757/home-price-record-mortgage-rates

Many buyers are deterred by high mortgage rates​

There are significantly more homes for sale than there were a year ago, but inventory is still lower than it was pre-pandemic.

And elevated mortgage rates — currently averaging 6.74% — are discouraging would-be buyers. For those who are trying to enter the market and buy their first home, these high rates on top of high prices mean they simply can't make the numbers work. Each percentage in interest can add hundreds of dollars to a monthly payment.

"It is pricing out buyers," says Lautz. Mortgage rates are also discouraging people from selling, she continues: "We also know the lock-in effect is real. People who have lower-interest-rate mortgages are just not willing to make this move right now unless they have a lot of housing equity."

Compared to the 80's they aren't high rates. The issue isn't specifically the rate it's the rate coupled with the purchase price. House prices are so high that even these comparably low rates (when compared to the 80's) is more significant. if the housing price was more in line with 80's prices then the interest rate wouldn't matter.

I do understand this, thank you. But I also think a higher interest rate environment is a factor for some. It's not the overriding factor that's causing a slowdown in sales, but there's evidence to suggest buyers are waiting to see where rates go before making a mega-purchase.

in 1990 the average median sale price of a home was $117,000 (source) and the average median household income was $63,830 (source).

In 2025 it's $410,800 (source) In 1990 the average median household income was $80,610 (source).

I don't even think I need to do the math for you to see how eye-popping that is, but let's do it.

1990 the average home cost 1.8x your annual salary.

2025 the average home is 5x.

Something is broken with our society.

Oh, and just for fun let's do CEO pay. 1989 average CEO salary was $3.1M. In 2020 it was $24M. (source)

So CEO salaries have increased 800% whereas the average joe has not even gone up 50%.

 

[General Malaise]

410,000 home with 20% down at 5.93% = $2,350.
410,000 home with 20% down at 3% (my current rate) = $1,766.
$584 x12 = $7,008

That's not insignificant to some. I understand that home values are the major factor keeping many buyers away but rates do play a part.

In 2021 the average median sale price of a home was $347,000. Certainly not as high as $410,000 but they weren't giving homes away. However, with interest rates below 3 for a 30 year mortgage, homes were selling much faster than they are today. Rates matter.

 

[Harry Manback]

410,000 home with 20% down at 5.93% = $2,350.
410,000 home with 20% down at 3% (my current rate) = $1,766.
$584 x12 = $7,008

That's not insignificant to some. I understand that home values are the major factor keeping many buyers away but rates do play a part.

In 2021 the average median sale price of a home was $347,000. Certainly not as high as $410,000 but they weren't giving homes away. However, with interest rates below 3 for a 30 year mortgage, homes were selling much faster than they are today. Rates matter.

Rates do matter, but you have to acknowledge the salaries people have now relative to prices.

Even that $1,766 mortgage is going to be 25% of your untaxed income.

Interest rates were about 10% in 1990. So $117,00 with 20% down at 10% is $457 mortgage payment. That is 11% of your monthly untaxed income.

It's literally more than twice as hard to afford a home now than it was 35 years ago.

 

[McBokonon]

JFC it can be both things

 

[General Malaise]

JFC it can be both things

I'M SORRY!

 

[Harry Manback]

JFC it can be both things

Is someone saying it can't be?

 

[General Malaise]

JFC it can be both things

Is someone saying it can't be?

I think people are just fed up with my antics in here as it the focus has shifted. My bad.

 

[Harry Manback]

JFC it can be both things

Is someone saying it can't be?

I think people are just fed up with my antics in here as it the focus has shifted. My bad.

I too have a son, and it breaks my heart to think he may not have an easier life than I had. He's much younger, so things are more uncertain, it seems you might be lucky with older boys who seem well adjusted.

It's tough to separate an emotional response from a rational response. I personally believe things will only get better if the problem is acknowledged and understood, but arguing there isn't a problem is counter productive.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Thought on the bigger point @General Malaise , I think it's always a good idea to ask where the stats come from.

 

[bigbottom]

410,000 home with 20% down at 5.93% = $2,350.
410,000 home with 20% down at 3% (my current rate) = $1,766.
$584 x12 = $7,008

That's not insignificant to some. I understand that home values are the major factor keeping many buyers away but rates do play a part.

In 2021 the average median sale price of a home was $347,000. Certainly not as high as $410,000 but they weren't giving homes away. However, with interest rates below 3 for a 30 year mortgage, homes were selling much faster than they are today. Rates matter.

Where’s all of yesterday’s snark? It doesn’t even sound like you GB!

 

[General Malaise]

JFC it can be both things

Is someone saying it can't be?

I think people are just fed up with my antics in here as it the focus has shifted. My bad.

I too have a son, and it breaks my heart to think he may not have an easier life than I had. He's much younger, so things are more uncertain, it seems you might be lucky with older boys who seem well adjusted.

It's tough to separate an emotional response from a rational response. I personally believe things will only get better if the problem is acknowledged and understood, but arguing there isn't a problem is counter productive.

Oh, I think there are LOTS of problems. I'm not dumb, though I'm doing a good job in here disproving that. But when I see some of the things going on around me - people having their families ripped apart, people not receiving food stamps, poverty, homelessness, addiction etc - I just have a hard time elevating the lack of manliness to the top of the heap.

And while I do consider my boys well adjusted, they aren't without their own problems or challenges. Oldest is gay, so he'll face possible discrimination if he hasn't already. His brother flunked out of college and has diabetes. But they both have their act together; certainly more so than I did at 22 or 21 (I was a MESS!). I've got a 13 year old daughter who has a nasty eating disorder and barely speaks to me. One my twin boys suffers from absence seizures. It ain't all honky dory over here.

Yes, it's going to be much much harder for my children to buy a home. That sucks. Will it be impossible? I don't think so, but they'll need to save aggressively and realize the joys of being house poor. Rents aren't any better around here either. But we have no way of knowing what housing prices will do over the next 5-10 years. I think a correction is coming and while painful for us, might be the break some of these younger people need in life. I'm okay with that.

End of the day, I like to look at the glass as half full - even with challenges all around us. Just hope all the bars and pubs don't close down before I give up drinking for good.

 

[General Malaise]

410,000 home with 20% down at 5.93% = $2,350.
410,000 home with 20% down at 3% (my current rate) = $1,766.
$584 x12 = $7,008

That's not insignificant to some. I understand that home values are the major factor keeping many buyers away but rates do play a part.

In 2021 the average median sale price of a home was $347,000. Certainly not as high as $410,000 but they weren't giving homes away. However, with interest rates below 3 for a 30 year mortgage, homes were selling much faster than they are today. Rates matter.

Where’s all of yesterday’s snark? It doesn’t even sound like you GB!

Ehhhh, my dad died on Saturday. I'm dealing with some emotions that get the best of me. If you've ever seen the movie Inside Out, Anger took control of the cockpit but today, Joy has returned and tomorrow, I'm sure Sadness will take a shift.

 

[gianmarco]

410,000 home with 20% down at 5.93% = $2,350.
410,000 home with 20% down at 3% (my current rate) = $1,766.
$584 x12 = $7,008

That's not insignificant to some. I understand that home values are the major factor keeping many buyers away but rates do play a part.

In 2021 the average median sale price of a home was $347,000. Certainly not as high as $410,000 but they weren't giving homes away. However, with interest rates below 3 for a 30 year mortgage, homes were selling much faster than they are today. Rates matter.

Where’s all of yesterday’s snark? It doesn’t even sound like you GB!

Ehhhh, my dad died on Saturday. I'm dealing with some emotions that get the best of me. If you've ever seen the movie Inside Out, Anger took control of the cockpit but today, Joy has returned and tomorrow, I'm sure Sadness will take a shift.

I regret not doing so, but I was going to reach out to you yesterday after some of the posts because it didn't sound anything like you at all and was sure something had to be wrong.

Very sorry for your loss. Big hugs.

And, to step away for a moment, just a reminder that we usually don't know what someone is going through and to keep that in mind if words or actions seem out of character.

 

[Harry Manback]

JFC it can be both things

Is someone saying it can't be?

I think people are just fed up with my antics in here as it the focus has shifted. My bad.

I too have a son, and it breaks my heart to think he may not have an easier life than I had. He's much younger, so things are more uncertain, it seems you might be lucky with older boys who seem well adjusted.

It's tough to separate an emotional response from a rational response. I personally believe things will only get better if the problem is acknowledged and understood, but arguing there isn't a problem is counter productive.

Oh, I think there are LOTS of problems. I'm not dumb, though I'm doing a good job in here disproving that. But when I see some of the things going on around me - people having their families ripped apart, people not receiving food stamps, poverty, homelessness, addiction etc - I just have a hard time elevating the lack of manliness to the top of the heap.

And while I do consider my boys well adjusted, they aren't without their own problems or challenges. Oldest is gay, so he'll face possible discrimination if he hasn't already. His brother flunked out of college and has diabetes. But they both have their act together; certainly more so than I did at 22 or 21 (I was a MESS!). I've got a 13 year old daughter who has a nasty eating disorder and barely speaks to me. One my twin boys suffers from absence seizures. It ain't all honky dory over here.

Yes, it's going to be much much harder for my children to buy a home. That sucks. Will it be impossible? I don't think so, but they'll need to save aggressively and realize the joys of being house poor. Rents aren't any better around here either. But we have no way of knowing what housing prices will do over the next 5-10 years. I think a correction is coming and while painful for us, might be the break some of these younger people need in life. I'm okay with that.

End of the day, I like to look at the glass as half full - even with challenges all around us. Just hope all the bars and pubs don't close down before I give up drinking for good.

I think it's important to remember the relative privation fallacy. There are always worse problems out there than X Y or Z, that doesn't mean you can't give attention to other things as well.

No one is saying we should ignore starvation and homelessness and addition etc. Just add this to the heap of things we are long overdue investing resources into fixing.

 

[Gally]

No one is saying we should ignore starvation and homelessness and addition etc. Just add this to the heap of things we are long overdue investing resources into fixing.

Tough to add things if we ignore addition.

 

[The Z Machine]

Historical trends
1980s: The median age of first-time homebuyers was around 29 years old.
2021: The median age was 33.
2022: The median age rose to 36.
2023: The median age was 35.
2024: The median age reached 38, a record high at the time.
2025: The median age is now 40

I'm sure interest rates have NOTHING to do with this....

Average interest rate in 1980.............18.45%

2021........2.65%
2022........5.34%
2023.........7.79%

So while they are trending up they are still nowhere close to what they were in 1980. Not sure if you are making the point you think you are making.

The median sale price of a home in 1980 was $64,000 ($250,000 in today's money).

The median sale price of a home in 2025 is $410,000

Right. that is the biggest factor for affordability. Not the interest rate.

Yes, that is a large factor, agreed. But rates are also deterring buyers at the moment. From NPR: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/26/nx-s1-5478757/home-price-record-mortgage-rates

Many buyers are deterred by high mortgage rates​

There are significantly more homes for sale than there were a year ago, but inventory is still lower than it was pre-pandemic.

And elevated mortgage rates — currently averaging 6.74% — are discouraging would-be buyers. For those who are trying to enter the market and buy their first home, these high rates on top of high prices mean they simply can't make the numbers work. Each percentage in interest can add hundreds of dollars to a monthly payment.

"It is pricing out buyers," says Lautz. Mortgage rates are also discouraging people from selling, she continues: "We also know the lock-in effect is real. People who have lower-interest-rate mortgages are just not willing to make this move right now unless they have a lot of housing equity."

Compared to the 80's they aren't high rates. The issue isn't specifically the rate it's the rate coupled with the purchase price. House prices are so high that even these comparably low rates (when compared to the 80's) is more significant. if the housing price was more in line with 80's prices then the interest rate wouldn't matter.

I do understand this, thank you. But I also think a higher interest rate environment is a factor for some. It's not the overriding factor that's causing a slowdown in sales, but there's evidence to suggest buyers are waiting to see where rates go before making a mega-purchase.

in 1990 the average median sale price of a home was $117,000 (source) and the average median household income was $63,830 (source).

In 2025 it's $410,800 (source) In 1990 the average median household income was $80,610 (source).

I don't even think I need to do the math for you to see how eye-popping that is, but let's do it.

1990 the average home cost 1.8x your annual salary.

2025 the average home is 5x.

Something is broken with our society.

Oh, and just for fun let's do CEO pay. 1989 average CEO salary was $3.1M. In 2020 it was $24M. (source)

So CEO salaries have increased 800% whereas the average joe has not even gone up 50%.

Hello, exactly!

 

[bigbottom]

410,000 home with 20% down at 5.93% = $2,350.
410,000 home with 20% down at 3% (my current rate) = $1,766.
$584 x12 = $7,008

That's not insignificant to some. I understand that home values are the major factor keeping many buyers away but rates do play a part.

In 2021 the average median sale price of a home was $347,000. Certainly not as high as $410,000 but they weren't giving homes away. However, with interest rates below 3 for a 30 year mortgage, homes were selling much faster than they are today. Rates matter.

Where’s all of yesterday’s snark? It doesn’t even sound like you GB!

Ehhhh, my dad died on Saturday. I'm dealing with some emotions that get the best of me. If you've ever seen the movie Inside Out, Anger took control of the cockpit but today, Joy has returned and tomorrow, I'm sure Sadness will take a shift.

Love you brother!

 

[The Z Machine]

410,000 home with 20% down at 5.93% = $2,350.
410,000 home with 20% down at 3% (my current rate) = $1,766.
$584 x12 = $7,008

That's not insignificant to some. I understand that home values are the major factor keeping many buyers away but rates do play a part.

In 2021 the average median sale price of a home was $347,000. Certainly not as high as $410,000 but they weren't giving homes away. However, with interest rates below 3 for a 30 year mortgage, homes were selling much faster than they are today. Rates matter.

Where’s all of yesterday’s snark? It doesn’t even sound like you GB!

Ehhhh, my dad died on Saturday. I'm dealing with some emotions that get the best of me. If you've ever seen the movie Inside Out, Anger took control of the cockpit but today, Joy has returned and tomorrow, I'm sure Sadness will take a shift.

We love you, GM. Truly. Know that.

 

[Joe Bryant]

410,000 home with 20% down at 5.93% = $2,350.
410,000 home with 20% down at 3% (my current rate) = $1,766.
$584 x12 = $7,008

That's not insignificant to some. I understand that home values are the major factor keeping many buyers away but rates do play a part.

In 2021 the average median sale price of a home was $347,000. Certainly not as high as $410,000 but they weren't giving homes away. However, with interest rates below 3 for a 30 year mortgage, homes were selling much faster than they are today. Rates matter.

Where’s all of yesterday’s snark? It doesn’t even sound like you GB!

Ehhhh, my dad died on Saturday. I'm dealing with some emotions that get the best of me. If you've ever seen the movie Inside Out, Anger took control of the cockpit but today, Joy has returned and tomorrow, I'm sure Sadness will take a shift.

As I said earlier today in the PM, so sorry to hear about your Dad. That's super tough. Much love.

 

[Ghost Rider]

All I know after this thread is that there are a boatload of young women out there drinking in whatever bars remain open and nobody is hitting on them so the odds have never been more in my favor to land some new love and take that to the bank.

Where the bars with the middle aged women? Asking for a friend

Target. (not a bar, but still)

 

[McBokonon]

All I know after this thread is that there are a boatload of young women out there drinking in whatever bars remain open and nobody is hitting on them so the odds have never been more in my favor to land some new love and take that to the bank.

Where the bars with the middle aged women? Asking for a friend

I think they put them all inside Target

All I know after this thread is that there are a boatload of young women out there drinking in whatever bars remain open and nobody is hitting on them so the odds have never been more in my favor to land some new love and take that to the bank.

Where the bars with the middle aged women? Asking for a friend

Target. (not a bar, but still)

I'm not sure how much longer I'll post here if the disrespect for my craft continues.

 

[Ghost Rider]

All I know after this thread is that there are a boatload of young women out there drinking in whatever bars remain open and nobody is hitting on them so the odds have never been more in my favor to land some new love and take that to the bank.

Where the bars with the middle aged women? Asking for a friend

I think they put them all inside Target

All I know after this thread is that there are a boatload of young women out there drinking in whatever bars remain open and nobody is hitting on them so the odds have never been more in my favor to land some new love and take that to the bank.

Where the bars with the middle aged women? Asking for a friend

Target. (not a bar, but still)

I'm not sure how much longer I'll post here if the disrespect for my craft continues.

Damn, that's what I get for skimming to the end and not reading every post before I posted that.

 

[Desert_Power]

All I know after this thread is that there are a boatload of young women out there drinking in whatever bars remain open and nobody is hitting on them so the odds have never been more in my favor to land some new love and take that to the bank.

Where the bars with the middle aged women? Asking for a friend

I think they put them all inside Target

All I know after this thread is that there are a boatload of young women out there drinking in whatever bars remain open and nobody is hitting on them so the odds have never been more in my favor to land some new love and take that to the bank.

Where the bars with the middle aged women? Asking for a friend

Target. (not a bar, but still)

I'm not sure how much longer I'll post here if the disrespect for my craft continues.

Some Harris Teeter grocery stores have bars with their wine section. This seems to be the answer around here, or so I'm told.

 

[Gr00vus]

It ain't all honky dory over here

And now I have the perfect name for my Bowie cover band.

Sorry about losing your dad GM, that's a hard one.

 

[Max Power]

There are multiple threads I think Matt Rhule's comments on Marshawn Kneeland's suicide could go in. This seems appropriate.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SQ8-uVX-rSg

Matt Rhule: ‘I would encourage everybody today … to check on’ family, friends in need​

“Our generation of kids — my kids — they all just say, ‘Yeah, I’m fine. I’m straight.’ You really gotta unearth it,” Rhule continued, per Just. “I look at road trips and travel and I look at time together at practice as chances to impact young people’s lives and try to be around them. I would encourage everybody today, with your own kids or people you work with, just to check on them. Because that young man (Kneeland) scored a touchdown just a couple days ago. And on the outside, you’d think he’s at the pinnacle. But he’s dealing with something, and I don’t know what it was. But I pray for him — him and his family.

“That’s the weight of coaching young people today. They’re going through a lot — way more than I went through growing up. But yeah, it’s a sad, sad story, a sad fate. I’m praying for him,” Rhule concluded. “But I also know this. There’s probably someone on my team going through something very similar. In what ways can I be there for them? Can we all be there for them? I think that’s the blessing we have of having another week together, so I’m grateful for it.”