NY Giants Yardage Breakdown (1 Viewer)

[Touchdown There]

Dodds projection for Eli Manning - 3690 yards. Break down for me the yardage for the receivers (please get it to add up to 3690!):

Smith - ?

Nicks - ?

Manningham - ?

Barden - ?

Cruz - ?

Boss - ?

Bradshw - ?

Jacobs - ?

Seems like a lot of targets...

 

[chihawk]

I think 3690 would more or less be his floor. I would expect him to be closer to 4000 this season, but here's a high-level breakdown to get it to somewhere around that total yardage

Bradshaw 200

Jacobs 100

Other RBs 100

Nicks 1000

Smith 1000

Manningham 600

Barden 250

Boss 400

Other TEs/WRs 100

Total 3750

 

[Touchdown There]

Steve Smith did 1220 last year. Why is his projections lower this year?

 

[BobbyLayne]

3690

Smith - 1090

Nicks - 940

Manningham - 460

Boss - 490

Barden - 125

Cruz - 215

Bradshw - 255

Jacobs - 115

 

[Touchdown There]

I am trying to buy into the Hakeem Nicks hype train, but it is really hard because I cannot figure out the math. It seems like everyone is taking down both Steve Smiths projections and Mario Manningham's numbers in order to deliver extra yards to Nicks.

 

[Scooter71]

I am trying to buy into the Hakeem Nicks hype train, but it is really hard because I cannot figure out the math. It seems like everyone is taking down both Steve Smiths projections and Mario Manningham's numbers in order to deliver extra yards to Nicks.

Why not? He's the most talented receiver. As long as he stays, he should lead the team in receiving yards and TDs.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I am trying to buy into the Hakeem Nicks hype train, but it is really hard because I cannot figure out the math. It seems like everyone is taking down both Steve Smiths projections and Mario Manningham's numbers in order to deliver extra yards to Nicks.

Smith is a great, great route runner; Eli trusts him more than anyone.Manningham was so friggin inconsistent last year: in obvious ways (drops and sloppy blocks) and subtle ways (breaking off routes early, not making the hot read when Eli needed to get it out quick). His numbers will drop significantly IMO.Boss is what he is; never going to be elite, but solid all-around.Bradshaw is not a great receiver, not anywhere near as good as Ward, but Jacobs looks downright awkward - not much in the way of dump offs.The rook and the 2nd year guy will be like Dixon/Mario/Moss/Smith in their 1st couple years - worthless, anywhere from 50-250.Nicks? Big, physical receiver, total stud. Only a matter of time before he dominates. I think 940 is low, but I am figuring on SS continuing to be the 3rd down WR that Manning looks to the most. But make no mistake, the Dream is THE playmaker on the team.

 

[Touchdown There]

I am trying to buy into the Hakeem Nicks hype train, but it is really hard because I cannot figure out the math. It seems like everyone is taking down both Steve Smiths projections and Mario Manningham's numbers in order to deliver extra yards to Nicks.

Why not? He's the most talented receiver. As long as he stays, he should lead the team in receiving yards and TDs.

That may have simplified things a little bit too much. Talent alone does not create great fantasy football stats. It is talent + motivation + opportunity. Lower any piece of this equation and the fantasy ceiling goes down.I am trying to point to opportunity. It seems to me that the Giants have a lot of talent on the receiving side.

 

[fightingillini]

Steve Smith did 1220 last year. Why is his projections lower this year?

I don't expect Smith to catch over 100 passes this year. He's used as a possession receiever, so I can't expect his YPC to go over 12.5. I expect Nicks to eat into Smith production as compared to last year. And factor in that Manning had a career best 4000 yards passing, many expect for that to go down a little.88/1075/7 seems reasonable for Smith

 

[Touchdown There]

Considering this discussion entails the other Manning at QB along with a balanced run/pass offensive attack, it is really hard for me to fall in love with the WR #2 on this team (at current ADP). This is regardless of all the physical talent in the world.

Hakeem Nicks is going at 3.11 on the PPR draft list based on talent alone. Could he reach 1000 yards? Sure, but I think his projections are his ceiling based upon his role in this offense. To give him 1000 yards you have to knock down the #1 WR on this team, along with Manningham and expectations that Bradshaw will not have improved numbers in his third year. All of those things would have to happen to get Nicks to live up to his current PPR draft position.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I am trying to point to opportunity. It seems to me that the Giants have a lot of talent on the receiving side.

I'm going to take a wild guess here and ask: Did you watch much of the 2009 Giants?The gap between Nicks talent and everybody else in that receiving corps is significant; if that fact was obvious in his injury hampered rookie season, what do you think is a reasonable expectations for No. 2?

Here is a compilation of a couple scouting reports, combined with my own thoughts and observations; YMMV

Hands: they are huge (as in might be the biggest WR hands in the league huge), he catches the ball away from his body, and he is strong

Adjusting to bad throws: pretty good, but not his greatest strength

Explosiveness: he is a threat to score in any situation; simply put, the guy is a playmaker, and he has a flair for the dramatic

Injuries/Durability: already he has had hammy issues (last year), toe earlier in TC, and two hand/finger surgeries in the last few years; have to wait and see if that is a pattern, personally I suck at predicting injuries

Route Running: short, medium and deep; he is very versatile. His role for the G-men is to stretch the field, and Smith probably runs more crisp intermediate routes at the present, but this is def NOT an area of limitation for him

Athleticism - 4.4 is his official 40 time, but seems like a guy who has great football speed (e.g., with the pads on); terrific specimen, he's not quite a freak/monster but quite well-defined

Football smarts - not always on the same page as Eli, and hasn't demonstrated he can be trusted to the extent SS is right now, but on the plus side he has the best inherent ability on the roster to maneuver through coverage and make the big play

FULL DISCLOSURE - I don't own him this year in any of my redraft leagues; I have, however, seen every down he has played as a pro, and only Calvin Johnson is a more impressive young WR.

 

[Touchdown There]

Bradshaw and Jacobs were also hampered by injuries last year.

Hakeem Nicks is an exceptional physical specimen. I think you are hung up on this fact. He is Superman; lets move past that. Steve Smith is the #1 on this team and Hakeem Nicks is the #2. My point here is opportunity. Do not look at this thread as an anti-Hakeem Nicks thread, because I love the guy. This is a "Can the Giants support two 1000 yard receivers" thread.

All we can do is speculate in a game of pigskin prognostication, but Hakeem Nicks at 3.11 is very poor value at that ADP. His projections are increased from numbers he has never performed, while reducing the overall numbers of the #1 and #3 WRs, at yardage numbers they produced last season. There are also many people that believe Bradshaw is in for a breakout year and has overtaken the starting RB job. Bradshaw is a better receiver than big Jacobs.

Show me his Fantasy upside disregarding his insane physical attributes.

 

[H.K.]

This is a "Can the Giants support two 1000 yard receivers" thread.

Has to be a timsocket alias. Has to be.

 

[Jayrod]

Bradshaw and Jacobs were also hampered by injuries last year.

Hakeem Nicks is an exceptional physical specimen. I think you are hung up on this fact. He is Superman; lets move past that. Steve Smith is the #1 on this team and Hakeem Nicks is the #2. My point here is opportunity. Do not look at this thread as an anti-Hakeem Nicks thread, because I love the guy. This is a "Can the Giants support two 1000 yard receivers" thread.

All we can do is speculate in a game of pigskin prognostication, but Hakeem Nicks at 3.11 is very poor value at that ADP. His projections are increased from numbers he has never performed, while reducing the overall numbers of the #1 and #3 WRs, at yardage numbers they produced last season. There are also many people that believe Bradshaw is in for a breakout year and has overtaken the starting RB job. Bradshaw is a better receiver than big Jacobs.

Show me his Fantasy upside disregarding his insane physical attributes.

Between the 4 staffers that do projections, only 2 of them have Smith with 1000 yards this year...and both of them have him just barely over 1000.Consensus among the experts seems to be that Smith will lose some production to Nicks this year.

 

[Touchdown There]

This is a "Can the Giants support two 1000 yard receivers" thread.

Has to be a timsocket alias. Has to be.

Not sure what you are talking about. I searched "timsocket" in the FBG members list and did not find one. It seems like you are inferring I am the same member as another. If there is another thread relating to this topic, link me to it. I am interested.To stay on point of the thread, it is my gut feeling that those riding the Hakeem Nicks hype train are disregarding opportunity. Yes, he is a safe play. He is the best #2 wide receiver in the NFL and is on the upswing. ADP 3.11??? Waste of an upside pick. Hakeem Nicks in the 8th round = value.Imagine if the Giants trade for Ray Rice and Antonio Gates next year. What an offense! However, everyone's targets are likely to go down because there are too many quality receivers with no clear cut "go to guy". Their fantasy numbers would fall although they would all be drafted in very high rounds. Fantasy football is a game of math and prognostication.TALENT + MOTIVATION + OPPORTUNITY = FANTASY PRODUCTIONTo really stir up this debate, I will go so far as to say BMW in Seattle will meet or exceed Hakeem Nicks fantasy points this year because he meets all of the fantasy production formula above. His ADP is 17.09 in PPR.

 

[Touchdown There]

Consensus among the experts seems to be that Smith will lose some production to Nicks this year.

That is the entire point of this thread. How is the reduction in targets to other talented Giants receivers in the game plan for Tom Coughlin? Is it because the hype train expects it to be so? Can someone point to an article where any Giants coach has insinuated that targets to Steve Smith will be reduced to meet the expected fantasy production of experts?Who can say that Coughlin does not want to see what Victor Cruz can do and work him into the rotation to keep everyone fresh and "full-go"? Who is to say that Bradshaw does not stay healthy and get additional screens and dump passes?Tom Coughlin and the Giants care about winning. It is about team. Everyone has a role to play. Hakeem Nicks has the role of #2 WR.

 

[imurph22]

Considering this discussion entails the other Manning at QB along with a balanced run/pass offensive attack, it is really hard for me to fall in love with the WR #2 on this team (at current ADP). This is regardless of all the physical talent in the world.

Hakeem Nicks is going at 3.11 on the PPR draft list based on talent alone. Could he reach 1000 yards? Sure, but I think his projections are his ceiling based upon his role in this offense. To give him 1000 yards you have to knock down the #1 WR on this team, along with Manningham and expectations that Bradshaw will not have improved numbers in his third year. All of those things would have to happen to get Nicks to live up to his current PPR draft position.

I got Nicks in the 10th round (pick 96) of my draft last Sunday as my WR3 behind Calvin Johnson and Steve Smith (Car). I'll take that bargain every day of the week.With those three I should average a long touchdown each week. In our scoring system TD's of 40+ yards are worth 15 points.