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NYG - Giants TE Boss Adds 20 Pounds During Off-Season (1 Viewer)

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Construction Man Jim

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The following appeared in yesterday's daily email:

NYG - Giants TE Boss Adds 20 Pounds During Off-Season

Source: Ralph Vacchiano, New York Daily News

New York Giants tight end Kevin Boss has gained 20 pounds during the off-season, and is up to a playing weight of 272 pounds.

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It's not uncommon for young players to continue to add bulk but I'll be interested to see if this has affected his mobility any. Boss was a nice addition to this offense last year when Shockey went down and if he can add the bulk without sacrificing much quickness, that's obviously a big plus. And remember, there are still some questions swirling about Jeremy Shockey. This might get interesting...

Unfortunately several of the above statements are inaccurate and misleading. Let's look at the source:

May 20, 2008

Pope: Shockey's absence no factor in Eli's success

A couple of other notes: Pope said that Kevin Boss, who arrived last season weighing 252, now checks in at 272. …

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/20...e-no-facto.html

That's quite different than the headline. At best it's lazy, sloppy work, at worst its sensationalism in an attempt to create "news".

The reality is maybe only a couple of those pounds are new and from this off-season. Boss was up to 270 prior to assuming the starting role after Shockey went down towards the end of last season. It is not insignificant that he has already played, and played well at that weight:

Transcript: TE Kevin Boss

December 19, 2007

The coach said you are about 20 pounds heavier than you were when you got here?

Yeah, not 20, but similar. At the combine I weighed like 253 and right now I’m about 270.

http://www.giants.com/news/transcripts/sto...?story_id=26400

Anyway, felt this needed to be addressed and corrected. I was disappointed to see it because I hold FBG to such a high standard and expect better. Don't be like the other guys and rest on your laurels!

 
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A couple of other notes: Pope said that Kevin Boss, who arrived last season weighing 252, now checks in at 272. …

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/20...e-no-facto.html

That's quite different than the headline. At best it's lazy, sloppy work, at worst its sensationalism in an attempt to create "news".

The reality is maybe only a couple of those pounds are new and from this off-season. Boss was up to 270 prior to assuming the starting role after Shockey went down towards the end of last season. It is not insignificant that he has already played, and played well at that weight:
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Where does it say he was 270 prior to becoming a starter?
 
:thumbup: :P

I can't believe the FBG news gatherers (who have to parse through hundreds of stories every day) haven't committed to memory the minutiae of a Giants.com transcript from last December.

This is an outrage! Do NOT rest on your laurels!

 
Fear & Loathing said:
:lmao: :lmao:

I can't believe the FBG news gatherers (who have to parse through hundreds of stories every day) haven't committed to memory the minutiae of a Giants.com transcript from last December.

This is an outrage! Do NOT rest on your laurels!
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That's not a fair representation of the situation. The linked source itself did not say what the headline claimed.It's not unreasonable for paying customers to expect accurate information.

 
Construction Man Jim said:
Fear & Loathing said:
:lmao: :lmao:

I can't believe the FBG news gatherers (who have to parse through hundreds of stories every day) haven't committed to memory the minutiae of a Giants.com transcript from last December.

This is an outrage! Do NOT rest on your laurels!
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That's not a fair representation of the situation. The linked source itself did not say what the headline claimed.It's not unreasonable for paying customers to expect accurate information.
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As you yourself already pointed out, the much-respected Adam Schefter reported it the exact same way . . . as did Rotoworld who is also respected in the fantasy news gathering business.So who did report it the way you want it reported? If three different reputable news sources are all inferring the same thing from the same article, perhaps it was the article itself that was misleading? Perhaps your expectations for super-sleuthing are more than a tad overwrought?

 
I feel violated, Footballguys has really let me down this time. :lmao: I don't know how I can trust them now

 
This is blasphemy, how could FBG be so misinformed, that's it I'm canceling my subscription, oh wait I don't subscribe. :unsure:

 
Since last season rather than this offseason

Nice catch CMJ

FWIW I think you should blow it off as an oops

 
Construction Man Jim said:
The following appeared in yesterday's daily email:

NYG - Giants TE Boss Adds 20 Pounds During Off-Season

Source: Ralph Vacchiano, New York Daily News

New York Giants tight end Kevin Boss has gained 20 pounds during the off-season, and is up to a playing weight of 272 pounds.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

It's not uncommon for young players to continue to add bulk but I'll be interested to see if this has affected his mobility any. Boss was a nice addition to this offense last year when Shockey went down and if he can add the bulk without sacrificing much quickness, that's obviously a big plus. And remember, there are still some questions swirling about Jeremy Shockey. This might get interesting...

Unfortunately several of the above statements are inaccurate and misleading. Let's look at the source:

May 20, 2008

Pope: Shockey's absence no factor in Eli's success

A couple of other notes: Pope said that Kevin Boss, who arrived last season weighing 252, now checks in at 272. …

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/20...e-no-facto.html

That's quite different than the headline. At best it's lazy, sloppy work, at worst its sensationalism in an attempt to create "news".

The reality is maybe only a couple of those pounds are new and from this off-season. Boss was up to 270 prior to assuming the starting role after Shockey went down towards the end of last season. It is not insignificant that he has already played, and played well at that weight:

Transcript: TE Kevin Boss

December 19, 2007

The coach said you are about 20 pounds heavier than you were when you got here?

Yeah, not 20, but similar. At the combine I weighed like 253 and right now I’m about 270.

http://www.giants.com/news/transcripts/sto...?story_id=26400

Anyway, felt this needed to be addressed and corrected. I was disappointed to see it because I hold FBG to such a high standard and expect better. Don't be like the other guys and rest on your laurels!
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Thanks. Ralph Vacchiano is a guy I like and I listen when he talks and I didn't have any problem relaying and commenting on that story. But I see what you're saying there. Thanks.J

 
Fear & Loathing said:
:lmao: :lmao:

I can't believe the FBG news gatherers (who have to parse through hundreds of stories every day) haven't committed to memory the minutiae of a Giants.com transcript from last December.

This is an outrage! Do NOT rest on your laurels!
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:thumbup: This is such a non-issue that I can't believe someone started a thread about it.

If only people in the construction industry paid this much attention to detail.

 
I think some people are missing the point here.

I realize in the grand scheme of things this particular piece of news probably isn't hugely significant.

That fact that other outlets have gotten this wrong is irrelevant.

I only happened to catch the error because I'm a Giants fan and follow the team very closely. I don't have the time to follow the other 31 teams to the same extent. That's one of the reasons I rely on and subscribe to FBG. The expectation is that as an organization they are better equipped and have more resources to devote to news aggregating and analysis than I do as an individual. Ideally they should be able to follow the entire league with the same depth and veracity that I do the Giants. That's the service I would like to think I'm paying for.

Anyway, my intention was not to come down on FBG in a harsh or negative way. It was meant as more of a good natured kick-in-the-pants.

I'm a long time subscriber here because they get things right the overwhelming majority of the time. That said, so much of FF depends on having better information than the next guy, so I think the principal behind this is important. And I would hope other members of this community would share this type/ level of information about their respective teams in a similar situation.

 
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Joe Bryant said:
Thanks. Ralph Vacchiano is a guy I like and I listen when he talks and I didn't have any problem relaying and commenting on that story. But I see what you're saying there. Thanks.J
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Thanks Joe. Appreciate you taking the time to respond.
 
FWIW here's an earlier interview with Giants TE coach Mike Pope from October 31, 2007:

Q: How are your two young guys, Matthews and Boss, coming along this year?

A: Matthews has come along probably a little bit faster because he played at a higher level of competition coming out of college, although he didn’t play a great deal. But the things that we saw in him when we really went after him hard as a free agent, and actually kind of took him away from another team with the promise to play here, which turned out to be the very valuable truth. And fortunately his agent was a local guy here so we were able to get him here. So he has been a very nice addition because at one time we were really without an experienced fullback. And so he filled that role pretty handily and now we have a fullback who has come along that we picked up later along in the year – Hedgecock. And so the combination of those two guys has been a good thing because they can’t just define which is the point of attack when you have he and Shockey in the game, because we are able to run to both sides at least from the mirror standpoint from the defensive perspective. When you only have one of them in there then they tend to locate that person pretty quickly and set their defense more towards that side. But Matthews has been a very good addition for us and has been a valuable blocker for us. He hasn’t done a great deal for us in the passing game. He has dropped some balls and made a few catches, but that isn’t his long suit. I think just in the last couple of weeks Kevin Boss has kind of grown out of the small college environment and started to make some progress. He came here at 253. He weights just under 270 now. So he has a lot of growth left and I think his upside will hopefully continue to surface in the second half of this season. And he would have to play, very obviously, if 80 wasn’t in the game. So we are trying to get him ready for that just in case it does happen. And it would give us another weapon in the passing game. At 6’-7” he has a little difficulty in the blocking aspect until his strength kind of grows into the rest of his body. But his upside is very good. He has been catching the ball better as we progress through this season. He gets almost every rep on the show team against our first defense. So he is getting a lot of reps in practice even though he isn’t necessarily getting them on the offensive side of the ball.

http://www.giants.com/news/transcripts/sto...?story_id=26151

 
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Joe - Noticed you've made a couple corrections recently i.e. Porter's knee/ hamstring injury, any reason in particular you didn't issue a clarification in this instance?

 
It is now being reported that Boss is up 265 lbs. from his birth weight of 7 lbs.

Stay tuned for more breaking news.

 
Construction Man Jim said:
Joe - Noticed you've made a couple corrections recently i.e. Porter's knee/ hamstring injury, any reason in particular you didn't issue a clarification in this instance?
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Seriously?
 
Tatum Bell said:
Construction Man Jim said:
Joe - Noticed you've made a couple corrections recently i.e. Porter's knee/ hamstring injury, any reason in particular you didn't issue a clarification in this instance?
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Seriously?
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Yes. If Kevin Boss's weight was relevant enough to be reported on initially, why wouldn't the distinction between 20 pounds gained since the start of his rookie season rather during this off-season also be relevant?
 
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Construction Man Jim said:
Tatum Bell said:
Construction Man Jim said:
Joe - Noticed you've made a couple corrections recently i.e. Porter's knee/ hamstring injury, any reason in particular you didn't issue a clarification in this instance?
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Seriously?
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Yes. If Kevin Boss's weight was relevant enough to be reported on initially, why wouldn't the distinction between 20 pounds gained since the start of his rookie season rather during this off-season also be relevant?
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:loco:
 
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