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I don't think it's a stretch to think this team will win with 80-85 wins...that should put them in the running to win the division.

On the backs of Harden, Blanton, Crosby, Ellis, Suzuki, Barton and Chavez, this team doesn't have any flashy names but they're going to surprise a lot of people this season.

There's a lot of room aboard this wagon so come grab a good seat while there are plenty of spots to be had!

:fishy:

 
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I don't think it's a stretch to think this team will win with 80-85 wins...that should put them in the running to win the division.

On the backs of Harden, Blanton, Crosby, Ellis, Suzuki, Barton and Chavez, this team doesn't have any flashy names but they're going to surprise a lot of people this season.



There's a lot of room aboard this wagon so come grab a good seat while there are plenty of spots to be had!

:thumbup:
There will be more seats available after the trading deadline
 
I don't think it's a stretch to think this team will win with 80-85 wins...that should put them in the running to win the division.

On the backs of Harden, Blanton, Crosby, Ellis, Suzuki, Barton and Chavez, this team doesn't have any flashy names but they're going to surprise a lot of people this season.



There's a lot of room aboard this wagon so come grab a good seat while there are plenty of spots to be had!

:lmao:
There will be more seats available after the trading deadline
At least we have guys to trade away. Enjoy a 100 loss season in your fancy ballpark. :lmao:

 
I don't think it's a stretch to think this team will win with 80-85 wins...that should put them in the running to win the division.

On the backs of Harden, Blanton, Crosby, Ellis, Suzuki, Barton and Chavez, this team doesn't have any flashy names but they're going to surprise a lot of people this season.



There's a lot of room aboard this wagon so come grab a good seat while there are plenty of spots to be had!

:thumbup:
There will be more seats available after the trading deadline
Billy Beane has proven his ability to find new talent when he trades away the veterans. We're 1-1 after playing the defending World Series Champions and Oakland lost the first game due to some inexperience. Give it a few weeks/months and we won't have such baserunning blunders.

Let's look at the team across the bay...no Bonds. Lowry is out until May. Your starting pitchers have sucked this spring. Not one Giants reliever has spent a full season closing in the majors. Your power hitter is Bengie Molina (19 homeruns last year!!). You guys still have no idea who will be playing what position in the infield and this spring the defense has been questionable at best.

But...uhm...at least you guys have Barry Zito. Maybe this year he'll break the .500 mark. At almost 1 million per year you guys really got a steal there.

Glad to see you're aboard this bandwagon, even if you're just here to whine. The more the merrier.

 
I sneak across the bridge to make a comment about the A's probably being sellers at the deadline and the Oaklands get all defensive. Oh well whatever.

I actually kind of like this year's team. If Harden, Crosby & Chavez can get/stay healthy, they have a chance to contend in a weakened division. Mark Ellis does everything the right way. Barton & Suzuki seem to have a professional approach for rookies. Any fan of the three true outcomes has to love Jack Cust. And Chris Denorfia of the Choate & Wheaton Denorfias is another potential great story. I've always liked Mike Sweeney.

They'll go as far as their pitching will take them. They're all question marks. Can Harden & Gaudin stay healthy, will Street get signed or traded, can Duchs convert from relief, can Eveland perform like he has in the minors, when will Gio be ready, can Foulke come back, can Devine find his command, etc.

I think the answers to enough of these questions will be No, so they'll probably end up just over .500. But neither the Angels or Mariners should scare anyone. 90 wins ought to take the West. I don't think Oakland will do it, but they could if everything falls their way.

 
I sneak across the bridge to make a comment about the A's probably being sellers at the deadline and the Oaklands get all defensive. Oh well whatever.

I actually kind of like this year's team. If Harden, Crosby & Chavez can get/stay healthy, they have a chance to contend in a weakened division. Mark Ellis does everything the right way. Barton & Suzuki seem to have a professional approach for rookies. Any fan of the three true outcomes has to love Jack Cust. And Chris Denorfia of the Choate & Wheaton Denorfias is another potential great story. I've always liked Mike Sweeney.

They'll go as far as their pitching will take them. They're all question marks. Can Harden & Gaudin stay healthy, will Street get signed or traded, can Duchs convert from relief, can Eveland perform like he has in the minors, when will Gio be ready, can Foulke come back, can Devine find his command, etc.

I think the answers to enough of these questions will be No, so they'll probably end up just over .500. But neither the Angels or Mariners should scare anyone. 90 wins ought to take the West. I don't think Oakland will do it, but they could if everything falls their way.
I'm not defensive, it's merely schadenfreude.
 
Duchscherer looked very good tonight, hopefully the bicep thing is minor. Given the way things are moving, I'm sure he's being showcased.

Six runs were a weak six runs, the big inning seemed to be a lot of bloops and soft grounders.

 
Keys Myaths said:
I'll take 3-3 right now with the opponents the A's have faced.Nice, nice performance today by the hefty lefty.
Yep, great line against a tough team today. The Haren trade pays its first dividend.
 
not to be cynical in an Oakland A's thread, but it's gonna be a long season for the Freemont-bound Beansters.

 
not to be cynical in an Oakland A's thread, but it's gonna be a long season for the Freemont-bound Beansters.
We welcome all fans aboard this wagon, cynics and optimists alike. Grab a seat and someone will be by shortly with some booze for ya.
love the enthusiasm.the following things should be on every oakland a's fans' wish list:1. Harden to stay healthy, and street and duscherer, but mostly harden2. not to unload blanton.3. barton learns to play defense4. buck gets a hit5. cust to strike out less than 180 times this year6. the a's stay in oakland, but that seems unlikely with every passing day7. call up carlos gonzalez already!!!good luck from boston.
 
thehornet said:
1. Harden to stay healthy, and street and duscherer, but mostly harden
Yup. This is by far #1.
thehornet said:
2. not to unload blanton.
The same Blanton who had a career year last year because he learned to strike people out and cut down on his walks? If it's a permanent thing, sure, Oakland needs to keep him. If it's just an abberation and statistical variance (because his other stats don't justify it), let's get rid of him while his value is the highest, especially when teams are significantly overvaluing above-average pitching.
thehornet said:
3. barton learns to play defense
He's played 26 major league games. Extrapolating to a full season, he's -2 fielding runs above average. He's a first baseman.There are bigger priorities.
thehornet said:
4. buck gets a hit
He's played 6 games this year. He did OK last year at the age of 23. I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
thehornet said:
5. cust to strike out less than 180 times this year
Irrelevant if he comes remotely in the neighborhood of last year's stats. I'd rather have his outs be via strikeout than having him ground into 232 double plays.
thehornet said:
6. the a's stay in oakland, but that seems unlikely with every passing day
I'm in Madison, WI, so that's irrelevant to me.
thehornet said:
7. call up carlos gonzalez already!!!
Why bring him up now when we're borderline competitive, and not next year when we're actually competitive? Every year he spends in the minors is a chance to grow, and one more year until Oakland has to give him up due to free agency. Plus, he's very good, but I just don't think he's there yet.
 
thehornet said:
1. Harden to stay healthy, and street and duscherer, but mostly harden
Yup. This is by far #1.
thehornet said:
2. not to unload blanton.
The same Blanton who had a career year last year because he learned to strike people out and cut down on his walks? If it's a permanent thing, sure, Oakland needs to keep him. If it's just an abberation and statistical variance (because his other stats don't justify it), let's get rid of him while his value is the highest, especially when teams are significantly overvaluing above-average pitching.
thehornet said:
3. barton learns to play defense
He's played 26 major league games. Extrapolating to a full season, he's -2 fielding runs above average. He's a first baseman.There are bigger priorities.
thehornet said:
4. buck gets a hit
He's played 6 games this year. He did OK last year at the age of 23. I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
thehornet said:
5. cust to strike out less than 180 times this year
Irrelevant if he comes remotely in the neighborhood of last year's stats. I'd rather have his outs be via strikeout than having him ground into 232 double plays.
thehornet said:
6. the a's stay in oakland, but that seems unlikely with every passing day
I'm in Madison, WI, so that's irrelevant to me.
thehornet said:
7. call up carlos gonzalez already!!!
Why bring him up now when we're borderline competitive, and not next year when we're actually competitive? Every year he spends in the minors is a chance to grow, and one more year until Oakland has to give him up due to free agency. Plus, he's very good, but I just don't think he's there yet.
Keys, I actually root for the A's because my girlfriend is from San Francisco. My comments are playful jabs and not meant to be taken too seriously. Buck, Barton, and Gonzalez are the future faces of the organization. They will definately be nice players in time. Blanton will never be a front line starter but if he can fill a #3 spot with consistent quality starts then I think the A's should hang on to him. Cust is a waste, i'm sorry, he just stinks. and as for the fremont, that's a shame. moving the team to a parking lot of an area.
 
Peas, Dan Johnson. It was a run.

There is 0% chance that the A's stay in Oakland. It's either Fremont, or somewhere else outside of the Bay Area. There is just no available space in Oakland, and the ####ty Giants have the South Bay blocked off.

No reason to rush Gonzalez and start his clock.

 
Cust is a waste, i'm sorry, he just stinks.
Yeah, OPSing over .900 for the league minimum is an absolute waste.Good logic here.
i hope you are kidding. The guy has been trolling around the minor leagues for 10 years. please dont use a stat based on so few PA's.it's terrible logic.
I'm talking about what he's done for the Athletics. Why do I care what he's done in the San Diego minor league system?To call a guy who OPSed over .900 while making the league minimum a "waste" is poor, poor judgment.
 
Cust is a waste, i'm sorry, he just stinks.
Yeah, OPSing over .900 for the league minimum is an absolute waste.Good logic here.
i hope you are kidding. The guy has been trolling around the minor leagues for 10 years. please dont use a stat based on so few PA's.it's terrible logic.
I'm talking about what he's done for the Athletics. Why do I care what he's done in the San Diego minor league system?To call a guy who OPSed over .900 while making the league minimum a "waste" is poor, poor judgment.
you realize he struck out 42% of the time he was at the plate last year? think about it.
 
Cust is a waste, i'm sorry, he just stinks.
Yeah, OPSing over .900 for the league minimum is an absolute waste.Good logic here.
i hope you are kidding. The guy has been trolling around the minor leagues for 10 years. please dont use a stat based on so few PA's.it's terrible logic.
I'm talking about what he's done for the Athletics. Why do I care what he's done in the San Diego minor league system?To call a guy who OPSed over .900 while making the league minimum a "waste" is poor, poor judgment.
you realize he struck out 42% of the time he was at the plate last year? think about it.
Again, what does striking out have to do with overall production? What's the difference between a strikeout, which creates one out, and a groundout to short, which has the possibility to create two outs?You're fighting a losing battle if you're going to concentrate on strikeouts.How many of these players are a waste?In order: Reggie Jackson, Sammy Sosa, Jim Thome, Andres Galarraga, Jose Canseco, Willie Stargell, Mike Schmidt, Fred McGriff, Tony Perez, Dave Kingman, Barry Bonds, Craig Biggio, Dale Murphy, Lou Brock, Mickey Mantle, Harmon Killebrew, Chili Davis, Rickey Henderson, Dave WinfieldAbout half of the all-time strikeout leaders are in the Hall of Fame, and 2-3 more will make it there eventually.Let's stop with the strikeout stuff.
 
Cust is a waste, i'm sorry, he just stinks.
Yeah, OPSing over .900 for the league minimum is an absolute waste.Good logic here.
i hope you are kidding. The guy has been trolling around the minor leagues for 10 years. please dont use a stat based on so few PA's.it's terrible logic.
I'm talking about what he's done for the Athletics. Why do I care what he's done in the San Diego minor league system?To call a guy who OPSed over .900 while making the league minimum a "waste" is poor, poor judgment.
you realize he struck out 42% of the time he was at the plate last year? think about it.
Again, what does striking out have to do with overall production? What's the difference between a strikeout, which creates one out, and a groundout to short, which has the possibility to create two outs?You're fighting a losing battle if you're going to concentrate on strikeouts.How many of these players are a waste?In order: Reggie Jackson, Sammy Sosa, Jim Thome, Andres Galarraga, Jose Canseco, Willie Stargell, Mike Schmidt, Fred McGriff, Tony Perez, Dave Kingman, Barry Bonds, Craig Biggio, Dale Murphy, Lou Brock, Mickey Mantle, Harmon Killebrew, Chili Davis, Rickey Henderson, Dave WinfieldAbout half of the all-time strikeout leaders are in the Hall of Fame, and 2-3 more will make it there eventually.Let's stop with the strikeout stuff.
he hit 256 last year. Do you realize you just brought up a bunch hall of famers in a JACK CUST discussion? Please, Keys, please....
 
Cust is a waste, i'm sorry, he just stinks.
Yeah, OPSing over .900 for the league minimum is an absolute waste.Good logic here.
i hope you are kidding. The guy has been trolling around the minor leagues for 10 years. please dont use a stat based on so few PA's.it's terrible logic.
I'm talking about what he's done for the Athletics. Why do I care what he's done in the San Diego minor league system?To call a guy who OPSed over .900 while making the league minimum a "waste" is poor, poor judgment.
you realize he struck out 42% of the time he was at the plate last year? think about it.
Again, what does striking out have to do with overall production? What's the difference between a strikeout, which creates one out, and a groundout to short, which has the possibility to create two outs?You're fighting a losing battle if you're going to concentrate on strikeouts.How many of these players are a waste?In order: Reggie Jackson, Sammy Sosa, Jim Thome, Andres Galarraga, Jose Canseco, Willie Stargell, Mike Schmidt, Fred McGriff, Tony Perez, Dave Kingman, Barry Bonds, Craig Biggio, Dale Murphy, Lou Brock, Mickey Mantle, Harmon Killebrew, Chili Davis, Rickey Henderson, Dave WinfieldAbout half of the all-time strikeout leaders are in the Hall of Fame, and 2-3 more will make it there eventually.Let's stop with the strikeout stuff.
he hit 256 last year. Do you realize you just brought up a bunch hall of famers in a JACK CUST discussion? Please, Keys, please....
You do realize that all I did was list the top 20 all time strikeout leaders, right?And his OBP was .408 last year. Do I need to sit down and explain why that's more important than batting average?
 
Keys (like Beane) is focusing on what Cust can do help the A's. He walks and hits HRs. As long as he can keep doing those, his strikeouts and defensive liabilities aren't showstoppers.

For whatever reasons, Cust's previous organizations (including an earlier stint in the A's system) either figured his weaknesses would be exposed at the major league level, or wanted him to be someone or do something he couldn't.

If Cust can continue to perform like a scale model of Ryan Howard or Adam Dunn, he's helping the A's more than he's hurting them. If/when he doesn't, it's not impossible to find other DH types to replace him. I don't think Cust will have a long career, his margin for error is very small. When he loses a small fraction of his power or batting eye, he moves from Howard/Dunn comps to Russell Branyan territory.

 
Keys (like Beane) is focusing on what Cust can do help the A's. He walks and hits HRs. As long as he can keep doing those, his strikeouts and defensive liabilities aren't showstoppers.For whatever reasons, Cust's previous organizations (including an earlier stint in the A's system) either figured his weaknesses would be exposed at the major league level, or wanted him to be someone or do something he couldn't.If Cust can continue to perform like a scale model of Ryan Howard or Adam Dunn, he's helping the A's more than he's hurting them. If/when he doesn't, it's not impossible to find other DH types to replace him. I don't think Cust will have a long career, his margin for error is very small. When he loses a small fraction of his power or batting eye, he moves from Howard/Dunn comps to Russell Branyan territory.
Eephus bringing the mad summary skills to this thread.If thehornet really wanted to talk about something, the defense would be the first thing I'd pick on. Atrocious.
 
Cust is a waste, i'm sorry, he just stinks.
Yeah, OPSing over .900 for the league minimum is an absolute waste.Good logic here.
i hope you are kidding. The guy has been trolling around the minor leagues for 10 years. please dont use a stat based on so few PA's.it's terrible logic.
I'm talking about what he's done for the Athletics. Why do I care what he's done in the San Diego minor league system?To call a guy who OPSed over .900 while making the league minimum a "waste" is poor, poor judgment.
you realize he struck out 42% of the time he was at the plate last year? think about it.
Again, what does striking out have to do with overall production? What's the difference between a strikeout, which creates one out, and a groundout to short, which has the possibility to create two outs?You're fighting a losing battle if you're going to concentrate on strikeouts.How many of these players are a waste?In order: Reggie Jackson, Sammy Sosa, Jim Thome, Andres Galarraga, Jose Canseco, Willie Stargell, Mike Schmidt, Fred McGriff, Tony Perez, Dave Kingman, Barry Bonds, Craig Biggio, Dale Murphy, Lou Brock, Mickey Mantle, Harmon Killebrew, Chili Davis, Rickey Henderson, Dave WinfieldAbout half of the all-time strikeout leaders are in the Hall of Fame, and 2-3 more will make it there eventually.Let's stop with the strikeout stuff.
he hit 256 last year. Do you realize you just brought up a bunch hall of famers in a JACK CUST discussion? Please, Keys, please....
You do realize that all I did was list the top 20 all time strikeout leaders, right?And his OBP was .408 last year. Do I need to sit down and explain why that's more important than batting average?
you keep missing the point. jut because he did this over the span of 400 plate appearances, one time ever, at the end of the season, when a lot of teams are throwing junk pitchers out there - does not mean he has any value whatsoever.....I am happy for you that he helped out the A's for a few games last year, but get serious, he stinks. this might make it easier for you to understand because i know you are good at fantasy football. Jack Cust is like a Sammie Smith. complete bust without the drug problem.
 
Keys (like Beane) is focusing on what Cust can do help the A's. He walks and hits HRs. As long as he can keep doing those, his strikeouts and defensive liabilities aren't showstoppers.For whatever reasons, Cust's previous organizations (including an earlier stint in the A's system) either figured his weaknesses would be exposed at the major league level, or wanted him to be someone or do something he couldn't.If Cust can continue to perform like a scale model of Ryan Howard or Adam Dunn, he's helping the A's more than he's hurting them. If/when he doesn't, it's not impossible to find other DH types to replace him. I don't think Cust will have a long career, his margin for error is very small. When he loses a small fraction of his power or batting eye, he moves from Howard/Dunn comps to Russell Branyan territory.
Eephus bringing the mad summary skills to this thread.If thehornet really wanted to talk about something, the defense would be the first thing I'd pick on. Atrocious.
russell branyan is an appropriate name to bring up along side Cust, but none of the players Keys brought up. Also, to add, i listed a bunch of the things above that the A's need to do in the future (or things I would like to see :X ). In fact, i would rather not waste time debating how horrid Jack Cust is.
 
you keep missing the point. jut because he did this over the span of 400 plate appearances, one time ever, at the end of the season, when a lot of teams are throwing junk pitchers out there
:X :thumbup:Oh, Christ.Jack Cust debuted with the A's on May 5th of last year. He played in 124 games.And he had 501 plate appearances last year. Just 395 at-bats, because he walked so damn much.BTW--he was 9th in the AL in OPS last year. He was 8th in adjusted OPS+. Dude hit very, very well last year, and contributed significantly to the A's.Arguing against that is pretty silly, but you seem to want to continue.
 
you keep missing the point. jut because he did this over the span of 400 plate appearances, one time ever, at the end of the season, when a lot of teams are throwing junk pitchers out there
:X :thumbup:Oh, Christ.Jack Cust debuted with the A's on May 5th of last year. He played in 124 games.And he had 501 plate appearances last year. Just 395 at-bats, because he walked so damn much.BTW--he was 9th in the AL in OPS last year. He was 8th in adjusted OPS+. Dude hit very, very well last year, and contributed significantly to the A's.Arguing against that is pretty silly, but you seem to want to continue.
yes, he did hit pretty well last year. shockingly. but if you look at his career track record - it's not good. anyways, good luck with the A's this year bud. We'll have to save this post and discuss Cust come October. Cheers!
 
you keep missing the point. jut because he did this over the span of 400 plate appearances, one time ever, at the end of the season, when a lot of teams are throwing junk pitchers out there
:shrug: :cry: Oh, Christ.

Jack Cust debuted with the A's on May 5th of last year. He played in 124 games.

And he had 501 plate appearances last year. Just 395 at-bats, because he walked so damn much.

BTW--he was 9th in the AL in OPS last year. He was 8th in adjusted OPS+. Dude hit very, very well last year, and contributed significantly to the A's.

Arguing against that is pretty silly, but you seem to want to continue.
yes, he did hit pretty well last year. shockingly. but if you look at his career track record - it's not good.
You're just throwing random crap out there and hoping it sticks, aren't you?First it was just that he's a waste, then strikeouts to tell me how awful he is, then his batting average, then the "fact" that he got lucky in a few games at the end of the season.

When those were all thrown out, you want to go career track record? You mean this guy?

"In 1997, Cust was the first round draft pick (30th overall) of the Arizona Diamondbacks, and had a .447 on base percentage in 35 games in the Rookie League. Cust was a Pioneer League All-Star in 1998, where he led the league in walks (86), on base percentage (.530), and runs scored (75). In 1999 he led the California League in homers (32), on base percentage (.450), and slugging percentage (.651), and was Baseball America's 1st team Minor League All-Star DH, California League All-Star, and the Arizona Diamondbacks Minor League Player of the Year. In 2000 he had a .440 on base percentage at El Paso in the Texas League while leading the league in walks (117) and strikeouts (150). In 2001, he was a Pacific Coast League All-Star while leading the league with 102 walks, and in 2002 he was the Triple-A All-Star Game MVP. In 2006 he led the PCL with 143 walks, walking 24.5% of the time, while sporting a .467 on base percentage with 30 home runs.

In 11 minor league seasons with five different organizations, he hit exactly 200 home runs, had a .286 batting average, and a .429 on base percentage. Statistically, he hit a home run once every 19 at-bats, struck out once every 3 at-bats, and earned 1 walk per game. He led three different leagues in walks, two different leagues in on-base percentage, and two leagues in strikeouts."

I love the quote from Billy Beane. "The thing is, when a guy hasn't gotten the opportunity, he acquires labels that are probably unfair as well. If you're in Triple-A long enough, it must mean you can't hit major-league pitching."

Dude played exactly 70 games in 6 years in the majors before getting his chance with the A's. He was absolutely amazing in the minor leagues.

This is the fourth untrue point about Cust you've thrown out here.

 
Cust's pre-2007 major league sample is really small (only ~150 ABs over 5 partial seasons). If you look at his minor league stats, the guy was the AAA three true outcomes king.

I don't know if he can sustain his 2007 output. If he can, he's a useful player.

 
Cust is incredibly valuable given how much he's being paid and what the A's gave up for him. He experienced a rebirth after the wrist surgery, and the A's figured it out before SD realized what they had. Thankfully, the DH still exists. There is no question he just cannot play in the NL.

 
Eephus said:
Oakland A's in FremontSan Francisco 49ers in Santa ClaraSan Jose Earthquakes in Oakland :rolleyes:
Didn't hear the thing about the Earfquakes.The economic locus of the Bay Area has shifted in the last 20 years, and the sports teams have followed suit. The Sharks really came along at a fortuitous time.
 
Eephus said:
Oakland A's in FremontSan Francisco 49ers in Santa ClaraSan Jose Earthquakes in Oakland :lmao:
Didn't hear the thing about the Earfquakes.The economic locus of the Bay Area has shifted in the last 20 years, and the sports teams have followed suit. The Sharks really came along at a fortuitous time.
The expansion Quakes were playing at the Coliseum yesterday. They put turf over the infield. I guess it makes sense since Wolff owns the Quakes and the city needs revenue, but convenience makes strange bedfellows.
 

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