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Obama on the "Call-Out/Woke Culture (1 Viewer)

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Interesting take by Obama that includes social media and fake activism.

With Twitter and other Social Media platforms we are living in the "Cancel Culture" age.   Like Obama states..make a verbiage mistake and you are attacked on Twitter.  

This goes beyond politics and into day to day life's as well.  Get random bad service and attack the restaurant on Yelp.  A HS teacher or football coach makes a (non-criminal) mistake and people they don`t know want them fired. A news or sports caster inadvertently says something wrong and there is keyboard backlash calling for their jobs. 

 
This has been out about a month now but it’s just not talked about . It’s not convenient , it doesn’t coddle those who wait online in judgement 

 
Puritanism, pure & simple, abetted by the early 21st C movement among black people to use their burgeoning political capital to sanctify the n-word & handslap celeb offenders instead of employng it in the direction of reparations and legging up their own.

 
Jimmy Dore had a pretty good take on this.
Eh, the title of that YT video is "Obama Shames Voters For Criticizing Corrupt Politicians," which tells me that Jimmy Dore completely missed the point of Obama's message (and, no, I am not wasting 27 minutes to watch that video, not with a misleading title like that). 

 
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Puritanism, pure & simple, 
This is spot-on.  I'm very firmly of the opinion that "wokeness" (or whatever term you want to use) is essentially a religion for a certain segment of the progressive left.  I mean that pretty literally -- if you think of Diversitarians as practicing a religion with an especially puritanical theological structure, it becomes much easier to understand.

 
Absolutely agree with @wikkidpissah and @IvanKaramazov.  Bunch of puritanism and want-to-be "holier than thous."

To them I say John 8:7.  (Sorry if I'm taking this further into religion.  It instantly comes to mind every time I see/hear things like this)

 
Social media is hyper feeding this beast but it’s always been there. The fringe on the left have been around along time, as have those on the right.  But social media giving everyone a “voice” and this generation growing up feeling like the entire world wants to hear their voice has supercharged this phenomenon.  Also, as we’ve discussed here in regards to the PSF’s survival, the anonymity in these platforms also allows for people to say and act in ways they never would “in real life”, this too fuels the “movement”.  

 
He's basically trivializing honest criticism of his record by conflating it with boutique virtue signaling.  The implication is that his online critics are little "woke" youngsters or something.  

What about people who criticized him for refusing to apologize to the family of the 16 year old kid he murdered with a drone strike.  Are they "woke" as well?  I guess people that are mad at him for bailing out banks while homeowners drowned are just doing a big culture cancel.  It's all just fake armchair activism.  

Barack Obama was a bad president.  His policies destroyed millions of people's lives.  Donald Trump is his legacy.  The reason people like him engage in this sort of tone policing is to insulate themselves from legitimate backlash.  There's a lot of gray area between hyper-PC pronoun policing and condemning Obama's crimes against humanity.  

 
He's basically trivializing honest criticism of his record by conflating it with boutique virtue signaling.  The implication is that his online critics are little "woke" youngsters or something.  

What about people who criticized him for refusing to apologize to the family of the 16 year old kid he murdered with a drone strike.  Are they "woke" as well?  I guess people that are mad at him for bailing out banks while homeowners drowned are just doing a big culture cancel.  It's all just fake armchair activism.  

Barack Obama was a bad president.  His policies destroyed millions of people's lives.  Donald Trump is his legacy.  The reason people like him engage in this sort of tone policing is to insulate themselves from legitimate backlash.  There's a lot of gray area between hyper-PC pronoun policing and condemning Obama's crimes against humanity.  
No, he was a good President who inherited a economy in the worst condition since The Great Depression. He had a obstructionist Senate and Congress, most notably Mitch McConnell who said his goal when Obama came in was to make him a "one term President". And his policies (the ones he was actually able to get passed) like Obamacare allowed millions of Americans to obtain health insurance because they were denied before due to pre-existing conditions. Finally, Trump was not elected because of Obama and IMO if Obama had been legally allowed to run for a 3rd term, he would have beaten Trump handily. 

 
No, he was a good President who inherited a economy in the worst condition since The Great Depression. He had a obstructionist Senate and Congress, most notably Mitch McConnell who said his goal when Obama came in was to make him a "one term President". And his policies (the ones he was actually able to get passed) like Obamacare allowed millions of Americans to obtain health insurance because they were denied before due to pre-existing conditions. Finally, Trump was not elected because of Obama and IMO if Obama had been legally allowed to run for a 3rd term, he would have beaten Trump handily. 
He had two years with the majority in Senate and Congress. 

 
Can we keep this on topic please. It’s about the “woke culture” not Obama’s Presidency or Trump.  We have enough places for either of those conversations.  TIA.  

 
Can we keep this on topic please. It’s about the “woke culture” not Obama’s Presidency or Trump.
Well, it is to me.  I don't think you can really decouple Obama's insistence that people who are angry at him pipe down, from the fact that his actions caused real backlash. 

My point was that he is delegitimizing these "woke" social media users because powerful people don't like dealing with the anger and resentment (rightul or wrongful) of the peasantry.  

I get that some people can gripe over really inconsequential stuff, but he doesn't get to write off legit criticisms because they take a harsh tone.  We wouldn't accept that from Trump (nor should we).

 
Well, it is to me.  I don't think you can really decouple Obama's insistence that people who are angry at him pipe down, from the fact that his actions caused real backlash. 

My point was that he is delegitimizing these "woke" social media users because powerful people don't like dealing with the anger and resentment (rightul or wrongful) of the peasantry.  

I get that some people can gripe over really inconsequential stuff, but he doesn't get to write off legit criticisms because they take a harsh tone.  We wouldn't accept that from Trump (nor should we).
Re bolded-  maybe not but we certainly can decouple the “woke” phenomenon from Obama‘s presidency.  Obama didn’t create the woke culture anymore then Trump created the anger at the system.  

 
Obama had the House and Senate and didn’t address our immigration issues.
How much you want from the guy?

Took over when the economy was in the dump, left it was cruising, passed some type of national health care plan.

Immigration is so far down the list of things to worry about, it’s like number 20. Just my opinion of course.

 
National health care?  Is that what we are calling forcing people to buy insurance?  And still 30,000,000 uninsured...
Got to start somewhere. No one else has the sack to do anything. Just a lot of “deeply troubling” talk.

My point...Obama spent his capital trying to get the ball rolling on health care. Trump spent his building a fence.

 
Got to start somewhere. No one else has the sack to do anything. Just a lot of “deeply troubling” talk.

My point...Obama spent his capital trying to get the ball rolling on health care. Trump spent his building a fence.
The best thing about BHO getting Romneycare passed is that it is so bad, we will eventually have to punt and bite the bullet on UHC.  So, yeah.  Pat him on the back for taking a step backwards so that someone else can take two forward.

 
The best thing about BHO getting Romneycare passed is that it is so bad, we will eventually have to punt and bite the bullet on UHC.  So, yeah.  Pat him on the back for taking a step backwards so that someone else can take two forward.
Yeah that’s called getting the ball rolling. Even with majority in Congress they had to compromise. Some may even accuse of republicans of not being a good partner in this.

 
Re bolded-  maybe not but we certainly can decouple the “woke” phenomenon from Obama‘s presidency.  Obama didn’t create the woke culture anymore then Trump created the anger at the system.  
Like I said some people are hypersensitive and over the top.  But I don't think he's really referring just to them.  I think he's lumping in people who passionately disagree with him on substance, and that's really unfair imo. 

 
Like I said some people are hypersensitive and over the top.  But I don't think he's really referring just to them.  I think he's lumping in people who passionately disagree with him on substance, and that's really unfair imo. 
I think it’s more then “some people”, I believe it’s a legitimate problem.  Feel like he’s speaking to the issue I am but it could be both honestly.   

 
Well, it is to me.  I don't think you can really decouple Obama's insistence that people who are angry at him pipe down, from the fact that his actions caused real backlash. 

My point was that he is delegitimizing these "woke" social media users because powerful people don't like dealing with the anger and resentment (rightul or wrongful) of the peasantry.  

I get that some people can gripe over really inconsequential stuff, but he doesn't get to write off legit criticisms because they take a harsh tone.  We wouldn't accept that from Trump (nor should we).
Watched it again (my 3rd time), while I understand your point Ren I just don’t hear any of it here.  I know you have some strong feelings about the man but try watching again, I really feel like he’s not speaking about himself but about the woke culture as a whole.  

 
You know, I get where people are coming from.  An example for me might be people who complain about lack of women and diversity in the videogame industry, rather than just making good videogames.  Good artists persevere and make it work imo.  Kotaku is brutal about that stuff.  Maybe I'm being stodgy but that stuff kills me.  

Another example is the lady who had a sign of deceased immigrants at a July 4th parade.  She was immediately crucified for appearing to make light of the death of immigrants on the border.  People threatened her with violence and doxxing.  But she meant it in the completely opposite way, as a protest against the US' harsh border policies.  It turned out that she had driven thousands of miles to deliver truckloads of food, and done multiple kickstarters to help people suffering at the border.  I don't like boomer terminology like "woke" or "cancel culture," but that sort of kneejerk mob response is harmful and wrong.  

But that's a separate thing from what Obama is saying imo.   I did watch it again, I've seen it before and I've watched it a few more times in this sitting.  He complains about "purity" and being "never compromised," says the "world is messy, there are ambiguities."  "There is this sense sometimes that the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people and that's enough."  I've heard this "purity test" stuff before, almost always from people who fail them.  In this particular context, I think he's referring more to himself and criticism of politicians for 'not being perfect,' more than a broader 'cancel culture' itself.  

The guy killed kids with flying robots, illegally, with zero due process.  He sold weapons to Saudi Arabia that were used to incinerate school buses.  He overthrew a sovereign govt in Libya, which collapsed into a failed state, with open air slave markets where you can buy a man for $400.  He enforced sanctions on Iran that literally killed thousands of people.  That's not messy, it's not a flaw, it's not ambiguities.  They were deliberate choices with direct consequences. 

I don't think it's being "judgmental" to be morally repulsed by that.  It's not "woke," but the stark realization that even the nice-talking men in clean suits with pretty rhetoric can lay waste to humanity on a scale unimaginable to most Americans.  I don't think people need to apologize for having strong feelings about that.  And I think those views deserve a lot more respect than to be trivialized by this sort of cynical fingerwagging.  

 
@ren hoek All fair points, and to be clear I’m no Obama apologist, I just think we’re talking about 2 different things.  Your points are all valid when talking about people who are criticizing his decision or the effects of them.  I’m talking about the movement in general, the extreme nature of it and the virtue signaling run amok.  I guess perception is everything.  When I hear it I hear him speaking about the movements issues as I see them.  When you hear it you hear him defending his own actions and deflecting.  Both of us are likely right and he’s probably doing both.  

As always with things like this (communication and perception) I find it endlessly fascinating.   

 
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And he accomplished quite a bit in those two years. He put us back on the path toward economic recovery and he got Obamacare done. Fairly impressive record. 
And while technically it was two years, it was more like about three months as was documented in several threads here and in the FFA. And during the early part of his administration he inherited a failing economy and had to bail out the auto industry and could not address any legislative agenda.

 
Obama is 100% correct here. People do really stupid things online to make themselves feel better about themselves. They focus on some really dumb things because that is easier than actually going out and affecting change. 

 
Most of the people posting in the Trump 2020 thread aren’t Trump supporters. 
Where does it say you must be?  Thought it was about.. “Today is the big day where our President announces his re-election bid.   I figured a thread was needed to discuss the upcoming election strategy and his successful first term

Also thought we all agree every thread here shouldn’t turn into a Trump bashing thread.  

But back on topic.  Any thoughts on the OP’s post?
 

 
13 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

Most of the people posting in the Trump 2020 thread aren’t Trump supporters. 
Where does it say you must be?  Thought it was about.. “Today is the big day where our President announces his re-election bid. I figured a thread was needed to discuss the upcoming election strategy and his successful first term”

Also thought we all agree every thread here shouldn’t turn into a Trump bashing thread.  

But back on topic.  Any thoughts on the OP’s post?
Exactly.

It doesn't say that anywhere. There is no forum rule that a discussion in any thread is restricted only to those who agree with the OP 100%. If that were allowed, we would only have propaganda threads without any dissenting opinions. 

 
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The "wokeness" crowd will relect Trump in 2020. Remember when the Democrats threw Obama under the bus at the Democratic debates recently. It was weird.

 

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