Obama: Worst President Ever? (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

Andrew Johnson is in the running too.

This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government for white men."

-- Andrew Johnson, 1866

Neither Johnson (Andrew nor LBJ) were bad Presidents. Andrew fought to preserve Lincoln's idea of a gentle Reconstruction against radical Republicans who wanted to devastate the South. LBJ had big mistakes with Vietnam and parts of the Great Society, but he got the Civil Rights Act passed, improved education, governed over a booming economy, and put a man on the moon.

Are you kidding? Andrew Johnson inherited the presidency, was the first president to be impeached, completely effed up Reconstruction policy, and used the presidency solely as a means to push his own horrible prejudices.

He was impeached for firing a member of his cabinet. He had the Constitutional right to do so; the real reason he was impeached was because Republicans were sick of a Democrat as President. It was an embarrassment to Congress, but thankfully enough members of the Senate had the common sense not to go through with it (though by 1 vote!) As for messing up Reconstruction, he wanted to adhere to Lincoln's vision. As for Johnson's racism, that was pretty typical of the time. If we rated Presidents by attitudes about race, most of the ones we consider great would be at the bottom of the list.

His entire cabinet was at odds with him because of how terrible a leader he was. The only reason he wasn't booted out was because he had no VP and congress feared his potential replacement even more. He vetoed the first civil rights bill. He was against giving any sort of recognition to blacks as equals. He was exactly what the country didn't need at a time when we really needed strong leadership. You are in the extreme minority here by not regarding him amongst the worst presidents.

I know that. Years ago, Irving Wallace wrote an article in one of his List books defending Johnson and that always impressed me.

 

[drummer]

Who the **** here was alive when Andrew Johnson was President? Sheesh.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

25% is a magic number these days. You can ask virtually any question and as long as there's an anti-liberal, anti-science, anti-Obama answer available about 25% of the population will pick it -- no matter how ridiculous the option might be.

 

[MaxThreshold]

He could have been worse.

As it is, he hasn't done much and that's probably just what the country needed for his first term. It's hopeless to think he'll focus like a laser on jobs and the economy now so it'll be just more of the same until 2016. Let's not forget the inept Congress too. Both sides have failed us. No leadership anywhere in Washington. Lost decade.

LEGALIZED WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED............ARE YOU NUTS????? LOST DECADE? I DON'T HAVE TO HIDE MY POT ANYMORE!

What does Obama have to do with that?

He didn't stop it from happening? Bush's FED would have tamped that down hard. Obama? Light up, Americans? Enjoy. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeet, bro....Bush's FEDs were cracking down on medical marijuana operations in Cali throughout his reign. Obama be all chilllllllllllllll.

Are you still a teenager? Jumping for joy about legal weed seems pretty silly and juvenile to me. Don't most people grow out of that nonsense?

like most other adults, I also hate expanding personal freedoms.

Huh?

 

[rockaction]

What did James K. Polk ever do for us?

In 1844, the Democrats were split

The three nominees for the presidential candidate

Were Martin Van Buren, a former President and an abolitionist

James Buchanan, a moderate Louis Cass, a general and expansionist

From Nashville came a dark horse riding up

He was James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

Austere, severe, he held few people dear

His oratory filled his foes with fear

The factions soon agreed he's just the man we need

To bring about victory fulfill our manifest destiny

And annex the land the Mexicans command

And when the vote was cast the winner was

Mister James K. Polk, Napoleon of the Stump

In four short years he met his every goal

He seized the whole southwest from Mexico

Made sure the tariffs fell

And made the English sell the Oregon territory

He built an independent treasury

Having done all this he sought no second term

But precious few have mourned the passing of

Mister James K. Polk, our eleventh President

Young Hickory, Napoleon of the Stump

I really can't like this enough.

Such an underrated band.

 

[butcher boy]

Who the **** here was alive when Andrew Johnson was President? Sheesh.

They're called history books!

 

[drummer]

Who the **** here was alive when Andrew Johnson was President? Sheesh.

They're called history books!

Yeah, but were you alive back then?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Leave it to tim to defend Andrew Johnson, who is pretty much universally acknowledged as in the conversation for worst president. As he should be.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I have a feeling this will be a top 10 FFA thread of all time

 

[Gr00vus]

He could have been worse.

As it is, he hasn't done much and that's probably just what the country needed for his first term. It's hopeless to think he'll focus like a laser on jobs and the economy now so it'll be just more of the same until 2016. Let's not forget the inept Congress too. Both sides have failed us. No leadership anywhere in Washington. Lost decade.

LEGALIZED WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED............ARE YOU NUTS????? LOST DECADE? I DON'T HAVE TO HIDE MY POT ANYMORE!

What does Obama have to do with that?

He didn't stop it from happening? Bush's FED would have tamped that down hard. Obama? Light up, Americans? Enjoy. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeet, bro....Bush's FEDs were cracking down on medical marijuana operations in Cali throughout his reign. Obama be all chilllllllllllllll.

Are you still a teenager? Jumping for joy about legal weed seems pretty silly and juvenile to me. Don't most people grow out of that nonsense?

like most other adults, I also hate expanding personal freedoms.

Not to mention decriminalizing something that has caused way too many needless incarcerations, hopefully lessening the strain on the prison systems. That is, as long as the people profiting from running the prison systems allow it.

 

[drummer]

He could have been worse.

As it is, he hasn't done much and that's probably just what the country needed for his first term. It's hopeless to think he'll focus like a laser on jobs and the economy now so it'll be just more of the same until 2016. Let's not forget the inept Congress too. Both sides have failed us. No leadership anywhere in Washington. Lost decade.

LEGALIZED WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED............ARE YOU NUTS????? LOST DECADE? I DON'T HAVE TO HIDE MY POT ANYMORE!

What does Obama have to do with that?

He didn't stop it from happening? Bush's FED would have tamped that down hard. Obama? Light up, Americans? Enjoy. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeet, bro....Bush's FEDs were cracking down on medical marijuana operations in Cali throughout his reign. Obama be all chilllllllllllllll.

Are you still a teenager? Jumping for joy about legal weed seems pretty silly and juvenile to me. Don't most people grow out of that nonsense?

like most other adults, I also hate expanding personal freedoms.

Not to mention decriminalizing something that has caused way too many needless incarcerations, hopefully lessening the strain on the prison systems. That is, as long as the people profiting from running the prison systems allow it.

Let's all fire up a bowl to celebrate!

 

[The General]

Best Muslim President and it's not even close.

 

[Fennis]

Best Muslim President and it's not even close.

second best Kenyan President behind Jomo Kenyatta.

 

[FlapJacks]

It's laughable to include Obama in the discussion as worst ever. The discussion of worst ever includes Wilson, Nixon, Fillmore, Pierce, Johnson, and Harding. My vote goes to Harding.

Nixon? Obama is more corrupt than Nixon

 

[The General]

Probably better than Carter, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford. We had some pretty bad ones in my lifetime.

Think you forgot one.

 

[Todd Andrews]

List of things Obama did:

Saved America

Saved the auto industry

Saved babies

Turned around the economy

Lifted the stock market

Cured cancer

Killed bin ladin

Invented the internet

Made cheap health care

Lowered unemployment

Discovered America

Saved dying kittens

Legalized weed

Thanks Obama!

KooKList

 

[NutterButter]

How Obama is considered worse that Bush 43 is laughable. That guy created the #### storm of all #### storms.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

It's laughable to include Obama in the discussion as worst ever. The discussion of worst ever includes Wilson, Nixon, Fillmore, Pierce, Johnson, and Harding. My vote goes to Harding.

No mention of Hoover? Guy was partially responsible for the Great Depression.

James Buchanan is also usually high on the lists I've seen before.

Obama will be on money someday and there will be a huge memorial in DC for him someday as well. I hope I live to see it. Even the great ones like FDR, etc. had partisans screaming how bad they were.

:thumbsup:

Just to reign in the enthusiasm, there is also a lot to dislike Obama for, even for a liberal like myself. Chalk some of the dislike up to political realities, chalk up some disappointments as well (chief of which is expanding the scope of the war on terror/spying/privacy).

 

[FlapJacks]

Probably better than Carter, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford. We had some pretty bad ones in my lifetime.

Think you forgot one.

Clinton?

 

[drummer]

Reagan

 

[pizzatyme]

Most corrupt. Not worst. But corrupt as ####!

 

[rockaction]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

 

[rockaction]

I'll play. In my recent lifetime, GHWB is my least favorite. CIA guy. Secretive. Out of touch (okay, it's a prole critique, but WTF). Raised taxes when he promised he wouldn't. Just did. not. like. the man, and I lean very conservative.

 

[timschochet]

Most corrupt. Not worst. But corrupt as ####!

You're the second person, after Flapjacks to post this. I'd like you to defend it if you would.

As most people would define corrupt, that means that President Obama either deliberately subverted the rule of law for self-enriching purposes, or he knowingly allowed subordinates to subvert the law, or he authorized subordinates to subvert the law. What evidence is there that Obama has done any of these things? Please be specific, thanks.

 

[rockaction]

Most corrupt. Not worst. But corrupt as ####!

You're the second person, after Flapjacks to post this. I'd like you to defend it if you would.

As most people would define corrupt, that means that President Obama either deliberately subverted the rule of law for self-enriching purposes, or he knowingly allowed subordinates to subvert the law, or he authorized subordinates to subvert the law. What evidence is there that Obama has done any of these things? Please be specific, thanks.

I think the jury is still out on Lois Lerner, green enrichment, the passing of the ACA, and other sketchy things.

This isn't to say others in our lifetime haven't done wrong, but we're still seeing these things play out.

I'm not an Obama hater, but the Lerner thing really gets me. Can't speak too eloquently; but there are red flags all over.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Most corrupt. Not worst. But corrupt as ####!

You're the second person, after Flapjacks to post this. I'd like you to defend it if you would.

As most people would define corrupt, that means that President Obama either deliberately subverted the rule of law for self-enriching purposes, or he knowingly allowed subordinates to subvert the law, or he authorized subordinates to subvert the law. What evidence is there that Obama has done any of these things? Please be specific, thanks.

This is a pretty high bar too.

 

[drummer]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

I grew up in the Reagan 80's. There is nothing during that time that I thought he was the best POTUS in my lifetime. There still isn't one.

 

[General Malaise]

The guy who thinks Kate Upton is disgusting calling other people gay is pretty rich.

That mustache is pretty bad.

 

[rockaction]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

I grew up in the Reagan 80's. There is nothing during that time that I thought he was the best POTUS in my lifetime. There still isn't one.

I thought we were voting on worst, though. Regardless, won't push too hard if he's your least favorite. Nobody agrees with me about the Elder Bush.

 

[timschochet]

Most corrupt. Not worst. But corrupt as ####!

You're the second person, after Flapjacks to post this. I'd like you to defend it if you would.

As most people would define corrupt, that means that President Obama either deliberately subverted the rule of law for self-enriching purposes, or he knowingly allowed subordinates to subvert the law, or he authorized subordinates to subvert the law. What evidence is there that Obama has done any of these things? Please be specific, thanks.

I think the jury is still out on Lois Lerner, green enrichment, the passing of the ACA, and other sketchy things.

This isn't to say others in our lifetime haven't done wrong, but we're still seeing these things play out.

I'm not an Obama hater, but the Lerner thing really gets me. Can't speak too eloquently; but there are red flags all over.

I had to look up Lois Lerner. I honestly had no idea who it was, but now I see who referring to the IRS-Tea Party scandal. In order for that scandal to prove that President Obama is corrupt, you would first have to show evidence that (1) Tea Party groups were deliberately targeted because of their politics, (2) President Obama either ordered the targeting or at least knew about it. So far as I am aware, there is no evidence for any of these charges.

So far as green enrichment goes, what evidence do you have to trace this to Obama? And as far as the passing of the ACA, so far as I know, that was pretty wide open for everyone to see. Are you suggesting that Obama offered illegal things under the table (it would have to be illegal for him to be corrupt)? Do you have any evidence of this?

Remember that, in the cases of James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, and Richard Nixon, we HAVE direct evidence of corrupt behavior. So I'm still curious as to how Obama can be more corrupt than any of them.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

Coming from the left I actually think H.W. is a really underrated President. Inherited a huge fiscal mess and started policies that laid the foundation for balancing the budget in the 90s.

ETA: Ironically, policies that were undone by W. and totally screwed everything up.

 

[jamny]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

I grew up in the Reagan 80's. There is nothing during that time that I thought he was the best POTUS in my lifetime. There still isn't one.

I grew up during that time too. The Carter years were a really depressing time, even at a young age. (born in 64) Reagan brought so much enthusiasm for a positive future and changed the country around me. I will always consider him the greatest of my lifetime.

 

[rockaction]

Most corrupt. Not worst. But corrupt as ####!

You're the second person, after Flapjacks to post this. I'd like you to defend it if you would.

As most people would define corrupt, that means that President Obama either deliberately subverted the rule of law for self-enriching purposes, or he knowingly allowed subordinates to subvert the law, or he authorized subordinates to subvert the law. What evidence is there that Obama has done any of these things? Please be specific, thanks.

I think the jury is still out on Lois Lerner, green enrichment, the passing of the ACA, and other sketchy things.

This isn't to say others in our lifetime haven't done wrong, but we're still seeing these things play out.

I'm not an Obama hater, but the Lerner thing really gets me. Can't speak too eloquently; but there are red flags all over.

I had to look up Lois Lerner. I honestly had no idea who it was, but now I see who referring to the IRS-Tea Party scandal. In order for that scandal to prove that President Obama is corrupt, you would first have to show evidence that (1) Tea Party groups were deliberately targeted because of their politics, (2) President Obama either ordered the targeting or at least knew about it. So far as I am aware, there is no evidence for any of these charges.

So far as green enrichment goes, what evidence do you have to trace this to Obama? And as far as the passing of the ACA, so far as I know, that was pretty wide open for everyone to see. Are you suggesting that Obama offered illegal things under the table (it would have to be illegal for him to be corrupt)? Do you have any evidence of this?

Remember that, in the cases of James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, and Richard Nixon, we HAVE direct evidence of corrupt behavior. So I'm still curious as to how Obama can be more corrupt than any of them.

Nope, never said he was corrupt. Was offering examples of why someone might think so. My bad for communication problems.

I think we are really going to have to wait out the Lerner thing. I've heard they referred it to the DoJ and Holder. That's not exactly an incubator of fact-finding, if that's the case.

 

[drummer]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

I grew up in the Reagan 80's. There is nothing during that time that I thought he was the best POTUS in my lifetime. There still isn't one.

I thought we were voting on worst, though. Regardless, won't push too hard if he's your least favorite. Nobody agrees with me about the Elder Bush.

Worst is subjective. Although GWB takes the cake here, even though in my lifetime that should go to Nixon, but I was too young to really judge that.

Seeing Reagan on the stand not recalling anything about Iran-Contra is one of the low points in American history.

 

[timschochet]

George H. W. Bush faced some of the most serious foreign policy issues of my lifetime, including but not limited to:

1. The fall of the Soviet Union

2. The fall of the Berlin Wall and Russian control of Eastern Europe

3. Tiannammen Square

4. The Iraq invasion of Kuwait

I think he handled these situations very well, taking action against Iraq (though carefully not overthrowing Iraq and thus upsetting the Sunni-Shiite balance in favor of Iran) and for the first three, doing very little other than watching- I'm not at all sure that Bush's predecessor in office would have been able to just watch- Reagan would have gotten us more directly involved, with possibly long term negative consequences.

I give Bush Sr. an A+ for foreign policy. And I also think that Obama is very much like him- cautious, reserved, and thoughtful. I expect that in future years historians will consider these two among our greatest foreign policy Presidents.

 

[drummer]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

I grew up in the Reagan 80's. There is nothing during that time that I thought he was the best POTUS in my lifetime. There still isn't one.

I grew up during that time too. The Carter years were a really depressing time, even at a young age. (born in 64) Reagan brought so much enthusiasm for a positive future and changed the country around me. I will always consider him the greatest of my lifetime.

He did bring most of us to protest via punk rock music, I'll give him that.

 

[timschochet]

Sorry about that rockaction.

Well in that case, my challenge still goes out to both Flapjacks and Pizzatyme, both of whom DID call President Obama not just corrupt, but the most corrupt President ever. I'm waiting for either of you to make a case for this.

 

[rockaction]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

I grew up in the Reagan 80's. There is nothing during that time that I thought he was the best POTUS in my lifetime. There still isn't one.

I thought we were voting on worst, though. Regardless, won't push too hard if he's your least favorite. Nobody agrees with me about the Elder Bush.

Worst is subjective. Although GWB takes the cake here, even though in my lifetime that should go to Nixon, but I was too young to really judge that.

Seeing Reagan on the stand not recalling anything about Iran-Contra is one of the low points in American history.

That was awful, but Clinton perjuring himself and Gore asking someone to define what the "is is" is pretty damn bad if we're getting historical. Or, what the hell did Gore do during that trial? Something ridiculous.

 

[drummer]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

I grew up in the Reagan 80's. There is nothing during that time that I thought he was the best POTUS in my lifetime. There still isn't one.

I thought we were voting on worst, though. Regardless, won't push too hard if he's your least favorite. Nobody agrees with me about the Elder Bush.

Worst is subjective. Although GWB takes the cake here, even though in my lifetime that should go to Nixon, but I was too young to really judge that.

Seeing Reagan on the stand not recalling anything about Iran-Contra is one of the low points in American history.

That was awful, but Clinton perjuring himself and Gore asking someone to define what the "is is" is pretty damn bad if we're getting historical. Or, what the hell did Gore do during that trial? Something ridiculous.

The difference is people died during Iran-Contra.

 

[jon_mx]

George H. W. Bush faced some of the most serious foreign policy issues of my lifetime, including but not limited to:

1. The fall of the Soviet Union

2. The fall of the Berlin Wall and Russian control of Eastern Europe

3. Tiannammen Square

4. The Iraq invasion of Kuwait

I think he handled these situations very well, taking action against Iraq (though carefully not overthrowing Iraq and thus upsetting the Sunni-Shiite balance in favor of Iran) and for the first three, doing very little other than watching- I'm not at all sure that Bush's predecessor in office would have been able to just watch- Reagan would have gotten us more directly involved, with possibly long term negative consequences.

I give Bush Sr. an A+ for foreign policy. And I also think that Obama is very much like him- cautious, reserved, and thoughtful. I expect that in future years historians will consider these two among our greatest foreign policy Presidents.

 

[rockaction]

George H. W. Bush faced some of the most serious foreign policy issues of my lifetime, including but not limited to:

1. The fall of the Soviet Union

2. The fall of the Berlin Wall and Russian control of Eastern Europe

3. Tiannammen Square

4. The Iraq invasion of Kuwait

I think he handled these situations very well, taking action against Iraq (though carefully not overthrowing Iraq and thus upsetting the Sunni-Shiite balance in favor of Iran) and for the first three, doing very little other than watching- I'm not at all sure that Bush's predecessor in office would have been able to just watch- Reagan would have gotten us more directly involved, with possibly long term negative consequences.

I give Bush Sr. an A+ for foreign policy. And I also think that Obama is very much like him- cautious, reserved, and thoughtful. I expect that in future years historians will consider these two among our greatest foreign policy Presidents.

I give credit to Reagan for the first three of the four you listed, and still disagree with our invasion of Iraq if we weren't going to displace Hussein.

### for tat, I guess. We just don't agree.

eta* I was weirdly against the first Iraq War

 

[timschochet]

Reagan never took the stand for Iran-Contra. He gave a speech in which he stated he didn't know anything about it.

And this is quite possible, and not necessarily a slight on Reagan. Reagan was not a micromanager, and the Iran Contra deal was not exactly something that was determined on an executive level. We have had successful Presidents who were micromanagers, and awful Presidents who were micromanagers. And we have had successful Presidents who were not micromanagers, and unsuccessful ones. It's a choice of style.

 

[poopdawg]

Obama is the most polarizing president of my lifetime. Constantly playing the blame game. I have a hatred for government as a whole, but I have never seen so much disagreement and vitriol between the two parties. And Obama is the enzyme that creates much of it. He is a ####### jack wagon.

 

[jon_mx]

Reagan

 

[Fennis]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

I grew up in the Reagan 80's. There is nothing during that time that I thought he was the best POTUS in my lifetime. There still isn't one.

I thought we were voting on worst, though. Regardless, won't push too hard if he's your least favorite. Nobody agrees with me about the Elder Bush.

Worst is subjective. Although GWB takes the cake here, even though in my lifetime that should go to Nixon, but I was too young to really judge that.

Seeing Reagan on the stand not recalling anything about Iran-Contra is one of the low points in American history.

That was awful, but Clinton perjuring himself and Gore asking someone to define what the "is is" is pretty damn bad if we're getting historical. Or, what the hell did Gore do during that trial? Something ridiculous.

Gore tried to ban people from buying records where black people rhymed.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Obama will be remembered as the last black President but not the worst. That honor goes to James Buchanan.

 

[timschochet]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

I grew up in the Reagan 80's. There is nothing during that time that I thought he was the best POTUS in my lifetime. There still isn't one.

I thought we were voting on worst, though. Regardless, won't push too hard if he's your least favorite. Nobody agrees with me about the Elder Bush.

Worst is subjective. Although GWB takes the cake here, even though in my lifetime that should go to Nixon, but I was too young to really judge that.

Seeing Reagan on the stand not recalling anything about Iran-Contra is one of the low points in American history.

That was awful, but Clinton perjuring himself and Gore asking someone to define what the "is is" is pretty damn bad if we're getting historical. Or, what the hell did Gore do during that trial? Something ridiculous.

The difference is people died during Iran-Contra.

Who died during Iran-Contra? How did our government cause them to die? Or are you simply referring to our support of the Contras against Nicaragua?

 

[drummer]

Reagan

All you have to do to know why: just read any jon-mx. That's how bad Reagan was.

 

[timschochet]

Obama is the most polarizing president of my lifetime. Constantly playing the blame game. I have a hatred for government as a whole, but I have never seen so much disagreement and vitriol between the two parties. And Obama is the enzyme that creates much of it. He is a ####### jack wagon.

So you believe that Obama is the one responsible for polarized politics? Are you suggesting that conservatives would be willing to work with Obama if he were only to offer a little compromise?

 

[drummer]

Reagan

Why? Sounds like a Rolo Tomassi vote (Rolo Tomassi, in L.A. Confidential, is the mythical character that always "gets away with it"). But this would be kind of like if I voted for B. Clinton as the worst. I mean, if you're coming from the left, you've got Nixon, GWB, GHWB, etc.

I grew up in the Reagan 80's. There is nothing during that time that I thought he was the best POTUS in my lifetime. There still isn't one.

I thought we were voting on worst, though. Regardless, won't push too hard if he's your least favorite. Nobody agrees with me about the Elder Bush.

Worst is subjective. Although GWB takes the cake here, even though in my lifetime that should go to Nixon, but I was too young to really judge that.

Seeing Reagan on the stand not recalling anything about Iran-Contra is one of the low points in American history.

That was awful, but Clinton perjuring himself and Gore asking someone to define what the "is is" is pretty damn bad if we're getting historical. Or, what the hell did Gore do during that trial? Something ridiculous.

The difference is people died during Iran-Contra.

Who died during Iran-Contra? How did our government cause them to die? Or are you simply referring to our support of the Contras against Nicaragua?

You know better than this.