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Varmint, I'm no Democrat but that thing is so full of lies and half truths i don't have the time no energy to deconstruct every point.

But let's start with the first one. There are two claims: thT Obama allowed Americans to die at Benghazi through inaction. ( or perhaps because he wanted them to die) and that he deliberately lied to the public about what happened in order to win re-election.

Now of course the claims are not new. They have been made consistently by conservatives for the last 2 years. But there have been over a dozen separate congressional investigations costing taxpayers many millions of dollars, and not one shred of evidence has been uncovered that would validate either claim . Furthermore, there have been independent investigations by the New York Times and the Washington Post, and these have debunked both claims in great detail. It has gotten to the point where most Republican politicians with an ounce of self respect never mention Benghazi anymore because it has become such an embarrassment. Among the Tea Party types who ignore facts, it is still a popular subject, the post-election Birther issue.

 
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timschochet said:
Varmint, I'm no Democrat but that thing is so full of lies and half truths i don't have the time no energy to deconstruct every point.

But let's start with the first one. There are two claims: thT Obama allowed Americans to die at Benghazi through inaction. ( or perhaps because he wanted them to die) and that he deliberately lied to the public about what happened in order to win re-election.

Now of course the claims are not new. They have been made consistently by conservatives for the last 2 years. But there have been over a dozen separate congressional investigations costing taxpayers many millions of dollars, and not one shred of evidence has been uncovered that would validate either claim . Furthermore, there have been independent investigations by the New York Times and the Washington Post, and these have debunked both claims in great detail. It has gotten to the point where most Republican politicians with an ounce of self respect never mention Benghazi anymore because it has become such an embarrassment. Among the Tea Party types who ignore facts, it is still a popular subject, the post-election Birther issue.
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BS....

This entire lie was started when they blamed a video for the deaths.

The State Dept KNEW something was going to happen (9-11 duh?) and they did nothing about it either before, during, or after.

They linked this killing to a video knowing full well that it was their incompetence that lead to the killings.

Then, on top of that, they refused to send help because "there wasn't enough time"...

So tell me...exactly how long does a battle last?

It lasts until the opposition is dead.

They had no idea how much time they had and they did nothing to help them.

The question isn't whether or not Hillary should be President...it's whether or not she should be in prison...

Besides...."WHAT DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT DOES IT MAKE?:

Anyone who believes that this whole thing is centered around a video...is a fool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdlfugzcdno

 
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I see. So in other words you ignore the facts because they contradict your extremist propaganda ?

Thanks for the response. I'm afraid that your position on this is so ignorant and off the wall that there's no point in continuing the discussion.

 
Please...obviously YOU know the facts because ....you were there.

How is it that YOU know the truth but nobody else does?

What makes what you know "facts" and everything else "extremist propaganda"?

As far as I'm concerned, we are being lied to on a daily basis by this administration and the media is doing absolutely nothing to find those "facts" and based on that fact....I will doubt everything that the media regurgitates.

 
Obama is who he is, a shameless, deeply partisan, conniving, con-artist.

I don't blame the president for doing what comes naturally. I blame the 52% of our Idiocracy who elected and reelected him.

 
TPW said:
Obama is who he is, a shameless, deeply partisan, conniving, con-artist.

I don't blame the president for doing what comes naturally. I blame the 52% of our Idiocracy who elected and reelected him.
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You know...you are right.

And that's what really pisses me off.

What is it about people?

Why will they not tolerate being lied to by one political party but swallow everything that the other party dishes out?

I've heard that once you've voted for someone you feel more invested in that person and are more tolerant of their lies...but I just cannot buy that line of thinking.

We vote for a man to uphold the Constitution...period.

He can try to implement some of this ideas but it's the other elected officials who are supposed to keep him in check and make sure that he keeps the country steered in the direction the majority of the population wants.

This isn't happening.

Obama is turning America into a 3rd world country while both the Democrats AND the Republicans sit back and watch!

We have a two party system. One party is supposed to keep things level but it's not happening.

The Republicans are afraid of being labeled as "racists" and look forward to doing whatever THEY want to do when THEY take the majority!

Both entities put their political party ahead of the country....and WE are going to pay for it!

I tell you....my kids will not have a clue what America USED to be...and it will be thanks to our crooked politicians.....Republican AND Democrat.

 
Varmint said:
TPW said:
Obama is who he is, a shameless, deeply partisan, conniving, con-artist.

I don't blame the president for doing what comes naturally. I blame the 52% of our Idiocracy who elected and reelected him.
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You know...you are right.

And that's what really pisses me off.

What is it about people?

Why will they not tolerate being lied to by one political party but swallow everything that the other party dishes out?

I've heard that once you've voted for someone you feel more invested in that person and are more tolerant of their lies...but I just cannot buy that line of thinking.

We vote for a man to uphold the Constitution...period.

He can try to implement some of this ideas but it's the other elected officials who are supposed to keep him in check and make sure that he keeps the country steered in the direction the majority of the population wants.

This isn't happening.

Obama is turning America into a 3rd world country while both the Democrats AND the Republicans sit back and watch!

We have a two party system. One party is supposed to keep things level but it's not happening.

The Republicans are afraid of being labeled as "racists" and look forward to doing whatever THEY want to do when THEY take the majority!

Both entities put their political party ahead of the country....and WE are going to pay for it!

I tell you....my kids will not have a clue what America USED to be...and it will be thanks to our crooked politicians.....Republican AND Democrat.
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Just wondering what is different about America that you USED to have? I am sorry, but America is a country that is moving forward. And with that movement, comes with changes that in the past were uncomfortable. Do you miss paying higher interest rates on mortgages? Do you miss a market that remained flat for the majority of time? Do you not like computers or technology? Do you miss having your rifle in the back window of your truck? Do you not like the advances in health care that are keeping people alive longer?

 
No.

What I miss is a time when people were held responsible for their actions.

When YOU were responsible for your lot in life

When people depended on their own income for a living...not someone else's

When you weren't ENTITLED to everything that someone else had earned.

When you sucked off the ### of America, all you got was government cheese.

When unemployment benefits didn't last long enough to put your kids through school.

When you wanted a cell phone....you actually got a job in order to afford one.

When you weren't made to feel guilty simply because you were white

When "equal opportunity" didn't mean "equal outcome".

When people immigrated to America to become Americans....they learned to speak English and didn't expect everyone to change to accommodate them. They assimilated.

When you liked your doctor, you could see that doctor.

...just a few off the top of my head.

 
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Varmint said:
No.

What I miss is a time when people were held responsible for their actions.

When YOU were responsible for your lot in life

When people depended on their own income for a living...not someone else's

When you weren't ENTITLED to everything that someone else had earned.

When you sucked off the ### of America, all you got was government cheese.

When unemployment benefits didn't last long enough to put your kids through school.

When you wanted a cell phone....you actually got a job in order to afford one.

When you weren't made to feel guilty simply because you were white

When "equal opportunity" didn't mean "equal outcome".

When people immigrated to America to become Americans....they learned to speak English and didn't expect everyone to change to accommodate them. They assimilated.

When you liked your doctor, you could see that doctor.

...just a few off the top of my head.
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Wow. Talk about out of touch.
 
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Beerguzzler said:
Varmint said:
No.

What I miss is a time when people were held responsible for their actions.

When YOU were responsible for your lot in life

When people depended on their own income for a living...not someone else's

When you weren't ENTITLED to everything that someone else had earned.

When you sucked off the ### of America, all you got was government cheese.

When unemployment benefits didn't last long enough to put your kids through school.

When you wanted a cell phone....you actually got a job in order to afford one.

When you weren't made to feel guilty simply because you were white

When "equal opportunity" didn't mean "equal outcome".

When people immigrated to America to become Americans....they learned to speak English and didn't expect everyone to change to accommodate them. They assimilated.

When you liked your doctor, you could see that doctor.

...just a few off the top of my head.
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Wow. Talk about out of touch.
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But accurate.

 
timschochet said:
Varmint, I'm no Democrat but that thing is so full of lies and half truths i don't have the time no energy to deconstruct every point.

But let's start with the first one. There are two claims: thT Obama allowed Americans to die at Benghazi through inaction. ( or perhaps because he wanted them to die) and that he deliberately lied to the public about what happened in order to win re-election.

Now of course the claims are not new. They have been made consistently by conservatives for the last 2 years. But there have been over a dozen separate congressional investigations costing taxpayers many millions of dollars, and not one shred of evidence has been uncovered that would validate either claim . Furthermore, there have been independent investigations by the New York Times and the Washington Post, and these have debunked both claims in great detail. It has gotten to the point where most Republican politicians with an ounce of self respect never mention Benghazi anymore because it has become such an embarrassment. Among the Tea Party types who ignore facts, it is still a popular subject, the post-election Birther issue.
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You arent a Democrat? I just looked up Democrat in Webster's and there you were riding a donkey with a Mondale tattoo on your arm. I suppose you think the Gray Old Lady and the WP are not Obama boot licking papers too.. Independant investigation my ###. And Republicans bring up Benghazi ALL THE TIME. It's a disgrace.

Bottom line: Obama could have saved those people and he didnt. All there is to it. The rest is political smoke.

He then passed the buck to Hillary. Which was the beginning of their second fued. (first being her not being POTUS of course)

 
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Lol at copying and pasting things from another site and claiming them as your own.
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Is that what he did? Didnt see anything about him taking credit for writing those points. Points I might add that many (look at the poll) agree with. The fact that you decided to make that the issue makes you a joke as someone who even cares about debating Obama's (ahem) weaknesses as POTUS.

Let me ask you something, do you care that those people who died in Benghazi could of been saved, or is it more important for you to defend your vote as POTUS? If Bush didnt save those people I would still be asking for his impeachment. You make me sick dude.

MIRRORS #####!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Jim11 said:
Beerguzzler said:
Varmint said:
No.

What I miss is a time when people were held responsible for their actions.

When YOU were responsible for your lot in life

When people depended on their own income for a living...not someone else's

When you weren't ENTITLED to everything that someone else had earned.

When you sucked off the ### of America, all you got was government cheese.

When unemployment benefits didn't last long enough to put your kids through school.

When you wanted a cell phone....you actually got a job in order to afford one.

When you weren't made to feel guilty simply because you were white

When "equal opportunity" didn't mean "equal outcome".

When people immigrated to America to become Americans....they learned to speak English and didn't expect everyone to change to accommodate them. They assimilated.

When you liked your doctor, you could see that doctor.

...just a few off the top of my head.
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Wow. Talk about out of touch.
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But accurate.
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Well lets disregard the facts please, oh and you're obviously racist..... :lmao:

 
Gene Sackman said:
timschochet said:
Varmint, I'm no Democrat but that thing is so full of lies and half truths i don't have the time no energy to deconstruct every point.

But let's start with the first one. There are two claims: thT Obama allowed Americans to die at Benghazi through inaction. ( or perhaps because he wanted them to die) and that he deliberately lied to the public about what happened in order to win re-election.

Now of course the claims are not new. They have been made consistently by conservatives for the last 2 years. But there have been over a dozen separate congressional investigations costing taxpayers many millions of dollars, and not one shred of evidence has been uncovered that would validate either claim . Furthermore, there have been independent investigations by the New York Times and the Washington Post, and these have debunked both claims in great detail. It has gotten to the point where most Republican politicians with an ounce of self respect never mention Benghazi anymore because it has become such an embarrassment. Among the Tea Party types who ignore facts, it is still a popular subject, the post-election Birther issue.
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You arent a Democrat? I just looked up Democrat in Webster's and there you were riding a donkey with a Mondale tattoo on your arm. I suppose you think the Gray Old Lady and the WP are not Obama boot licking papers too.. Independant investigation my ###. And Republicans bring up Benghazi ALL THE TIME. It's a disgrace. Bottom line: Obama could have saved those people and he didnt. All there is to it. The rest is political smoke.

He then passed the buck to Hillary. Which was the beginning of their second fued. (first being her not being POTUS of course)
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Lovell was in command of the U.S. Africa Command’s headquarters in Germany during the attack, but he has since retired.

Lovell said they looked to the State Department in regards to Libyan authorities and worked to get “situational awareness” of the attack as it unfolded.

“Did they ever tell you to go save the people in Benghazi?” Rep. Jason Chaffetz asked.

“Not to my knowledge, sir,” Lovell replied.

“Four individuals died, sir. We obviously did not respond in time to get there,” Lovell stated.

"Could we have?" Chaffetz asked.

“We may have been able to, but we’ll never know,” Lovell answered.
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cstu said:
Gene Sackman said:
timschochet said:
Varmint, I'm no Democrat but that thing is so full of lies and half truths i don't have the time no energy to deconstruct every point.

But let's start with the first one. There are two claims: thT Obama allowed Americans to die at Benghazi through inaction. ( or perhaps because he wanted them to die) and that he deliberately lied to the public about what happened in order to win re-election.

Now of course the claims are not new. They have been made consistently by conservatives for the last 2 years. But there have been over a dozen separate congressional investigations costing taxpayers many millions of dollars, and not one shred of evidence has been uncovered that would validate either claim . Furthermore, there have been independent investigations by the New York Times and the Washington Post, and these have debunked both claims in great detail. It has gotten to the point where most Republican politicians with an ounce of self respect never mention Benghazi anymore because it has become such an embarrassment. Among the Tea Party types who ignore facts, it is still a popular subject, the post-election Birther issue.
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You arent a Democrat? I just looked up Democrat in Webster's and there you were riding a donkey with a Mondale tattoo on your arm. I suppose you think the Gray Old Lady and the WP are not Obama boot licking papers too.. Independant investigation my ###. And Republicans bring up Benghazi ALL THE TIME. It's a disgrace. Bottom line: Obama could have saved those people and he didnt. All there is to it. The rest is political smoke.

He then passed the buck to Hillary. Which was the beginning of their second fued. (first being her not being POTUS of course)
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Lovell was in command of the U.S. Africa Command’s headquarters in Germany during the attack, but he has since retired.

Lovell said they looked to the State Department in regards to Libyan authorities and worked to get “situational awareness” of the attack as it unfolded.

“Did they ever tell you to go save the people in Benghazi?” Rep. Jason Chaffetz asked.

“Not to my knowledge, sir,” Lovell replied.

“Four individuals died, sir. We obviously did not respond in time to get there,” Lovell stated.

"Could we have?" Chaffetz asked.

“We may have been able to, but we’ll never know,” Lovell answered.
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Would you have tried to save those people? Obama didnt, but what about you? And did you watch the interviews of the people there when this happend? It was pretty clear there was a good chance. Ok, I guess I will concede that nothing is conclusive, but why not try?

Disgraceful anyone defending Obama on this issue.

 
Todd Andrews said:
KooKSwarm
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When I see the resident nutcase simpletons all converge in a thread like this, I find myself wondering a few things. Like, is this all of them? Or are there 500 other FBGs who don't post but are reading and saying, "####, yeah!"? And are there some fence sitters who read this stuff and think, "You know, they make a pretty good argument."?

 
roadkill1292 said:
Todd Andrews said:
KooKSwarm
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When I see the resident nutcase simpletons all converge in a thread like this, I find myself wondering a few things. Like, is this all of them? Or are there 500 other FBGs who don't post but are reading and saying, "####, yeah!"? And are there some fence sitters who read this stuff and think, "You know, they make a pretty good argument."?
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it is an all star cast. Peens, all 11 Jims, AE, Max, Peens again.....

 
roadkill1292 said:
Todd Andrews said:
KooKSwarm
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When I see the resident nutcase simpletons all converge in a thread like this, I find myself wondering a few things. Like, is this all of them? Or are there 500 other FBGs who don't post but are reading and saying, "####, yeah!"? And are there some fence sitters who read this stuff and think, "You know, they make a pretty good argument."?
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:lol: You do realize the irony of you post, right?

You're quoting ToddAndrews at the same time making a point (and making fun of) about others following and agreeing with nutcases.

 
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joffer said:
roadkill1292 said:
Todd Andrews said:
KooKSwarm
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When I see the resident nutcase simpletons all converge in a thread like this, I find myself wondering a few things. Like, is this all of them? Or are there 500 other FBGs who don't post but are reading and saying, "####, yeah!"? And are there some fence sitters who read this stuff and think, "You know, they make a pretty good argument."?
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it is an all star cast. Peens, all 11 Jims, AE, Max, Peens again.....
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Not any different than any other of you "all stars" on the hard left.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Todd Andrews said:
KooKSwarm
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When I see the resident nutcase simpletons all converge in a thread like this, I find myself wondering a few things. Like, is this all of them? Or are there 500 other FBGs who don't post but are reading and saying, "####, yeah!"? And are there some fence sitters who read this stuff and think, "You know, they make a pretty good argument."?
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I consider myself a moderate conservative, and it's difficult to stomach the stereotypical behavior from both sides.

I do not think that Obama is the worst president we've ever had, but anyone who suggests he's anywhere near the best simply isn't in touch with reality.

That being said, the Democratic PR machine is simply far more polished, produces more electable candidates, and runs a superior campaign. If we don't want Hillary running this joint after 2016, we'd better get on the stick.

 
greenroom said:
Varmint said:
TPW said:
Obama is who he is, a shameless, deeply partisan, conniving, con-artist.

I don't blame the president for doing what comes naturally. I blame the 52% of our Idiocracy who elected and reelected him.
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You know...you are right.

And that's what really pisses me off.

What is it about people?

Why will they not tolerate being lied to by one political party but swallow everything that the other party dishes out?

I've heard that once you've voted for someone you feel more invested in that person and are more tolerant of their lies...but I just cannot buy that line of thinking.

We vote for a man to uphold the Constitution...period.

He can try to implement some of this ideas but it's the other elected officials who are supposed to keep him in check and make sure that he keeps the country steered in the direction the majority of the population wants.

This isn't happening.

Obama is turning America into a 3rd world country while both the Democrats AND the Republicans sit back and watch!

We have a two party system. One party is supposed to keep things level but it's not happening.

The Republicans are afraid of being labeled as "racists" and look forward to doing whatever THEY want to do when THEY take the majority!

Both entities put their political party ahead of the country....and WE are going to pay for it!

I tell you....my kids will not have a clue what America USED to be...and it will be thanks to our crooked politicians.....Republican AND Democrat.
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Just wondering what is different about America that you USED to have? I am sorry, but America is a country that is moving forward. And with that movement, comes with changes that in the past were uncomfortable. Do you miss paying higher interest rates on mortgages? Do you miss a market that remained flat for the majority of time? Do you not like computers or technology? Do you miss having your rifle in the back window of your truck? Do you not like the advances in health care that are keeping people alive longer?
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1. The reason mortgage rates are so low is because the Federal Reserve has kept them there for years to try and stimulate the economy via loose monetary policy. If you think they're going to stay that way forever you are gravely mistaken. The effect of increased interest rates on the federal budget will also be dire. We will potentially end up forking out trillions of dollars every single year for interest payments to service our 17+ trillion national debt.

2. The reason the market is setting record highs is also because the Federal Reserve has juiced it with literally trillions of dollars in liquidity. Corporations are leveraging themselves like crazy, pumping their profits right back into their own stocks but at the same time the American labor force participation rate has declined to a 35 year low and the M2 velocity of money stock has dropped to +50 year lows. There is a gigantic disconnect between the wealthy and connected and the rest of the nation. Washington, D.C. and New York City are killing it while small town USA continues to endure recession like circumstances.

3. I love computers and technology. I also liked it when the National Security Agency, Internal Revenue Service, and the Department of Health and Human Services didn't monitor my every movement and discriminate against me because of my political leanings.

4. I still have both. Try and take them.

5. Those advances in health care largely came from research conducted the private sector. Now that we are on the fast track for European style full-scale socialized medicine, good luck with that. Oh, everyone will be able to see a doctor alright. It'll just be after a six week waiting period in some filthy, understaffed government clinic using decades old technology. Check out the recent VA scandal if you want to see what's in store for all but the uber rich and political elite.

 
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