Ocho and TO to switch roles? (1 Viewer)

[FarEastKilla]

Ocho stinko made it public he is not happy with his current role. He is double teamed almost every play, and TO obviously benefits huge from that. However if you line up Chad in the slot more and move TO in Chad's current position stats could easily flip. The fact still remains that the Bengles are still losing with TO blowing up. Bangles might thinking about a different strategy. TO's size should help him handle Double team better on paper plus he is hot right now with better moarle. Greg Jennings was lined up in the slot vs Cowboys and it worked out great. Even without driver. Bengle's coach might change the team strategy a bit since the current one is not working what do you guys think? Please think football and not fantasy bias thanks

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Ocho stinko made it public he is not happy with his current role. He is double teamed almost every play, and TO obviously benefits huge from that. However if you line up Chad in the slot more and move TO in Chad's current position stats could easily flip. The fact still remains that the Bengles are still losing with TO blowing up. Bangles might thinking about a different strategy. TO's size should help him handle Double team better on paper plus he is hot right now with better moarle. Greg Jennings was lined up in the slot vs Cowboys and it worked out great. Even without driver. Bengle's coach might change the team strategy a bit since the current one is not working what do you guys think? Please think football and not fantasy bias thanks

Speculation sure is fun. What on earth makes you think that Ocho can be anywhere near as effective in the slot as TO? TO is an enormous mismatch in the slot, not only because he's got the quickness but he's also got the strength (most slot receivers tend to be smaller) and he's as good with the ball in his hands as any WR to ever play. Ocho is a classic split end or flanker. He doesn't have the quickness, nor do I think he's as tough as TO and willing to go over the middle. And just so it's clear, I detest TO's pathological need for attention (though he's been a good citizen the last couple of years) and I'm also an Ochocinco owner in multiple leagues. This doesn't come from any bias. Believe me, I'd love for you to be right on all counts.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Great points! But won't a coach rather have two functional superstars instead of just one? Maybe thats why the bengles are losing among few other issues. TO's effectiveness will suffer if he is moved but I think he will try harder when there is extra $2m on the line. The Chad is basically demanding a Change publicly, and I don't think it's going to fall on deaf ears that's all.

Ocho stinko made it public he is not happy with his current role. He is double teamed almost every play, and TO obviously benefits huge from that. However if you line up Chad in the slot more and move TO in Chad's current position stats could easily flip. The fact still remains that the Bengles are still losing with TO blowing up. Bangles might thinking about a different strategy. TO's size should help him handle Double team better on paper plus he is hot right now with better moarle. Greg Jennings was lined up in the slot vs Cowboys and it worked out great. Even without driver. Bengle's coach might change the team strategy a bit since the current one is not working what do you guys think? Please think football and not fantasy bias thanks

Speculation sure is fun. What on earth makes you think that Ocho can be anywhere near as effective in the slot as TO? TO is an enormous mismatch in the slot, not only because he's got the quickness but he's also got the strength (most slot receivers tend to be smaller) and he's as good with the ball in his hands as any WR to ever play. Ocho is a classic split end or flanker. He doesn't have the quickness, nor do I think he's as tough as TO and willing to go over the middle. And just so it's clear, I detest TO's pathological need for attention (though he's been a good citizen the last couple of years) and I'm also an Ochocinco owner in multiple leagues. This doesn't come from any bias. Believe me, I'd love for you to be right on all counts.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Your title is extremely misleading.

 

[fantasizing]

I have a hard time believing Ochostinko can put up the type of numbers TO has been putting up.

I just don't think he's anywhere near as good as TO.

 

[yellowdog]

Personally, I wish they would just show Ocho the door.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Your title is extremely misleading.

 

[southeastjerome]

Poor man's "FANTASY KING EXCLUSIVE"?

 

[FarEastKilla]

Poor man's "FANTASY KING EXCLUSIVE"?

Econmy is tough

 

[the_vision]

Way misleading.

Try "What If . . ."

 

[Donsmith753]

Marvin doesn't play fantasy...shut it down.

 

[JuniorNB]

Phew! You're talking about their position in the offense. Thank goodness!

As a T.O. owner, I was scared. When you said they were going to switch roles, I was afraid you meant that Chad Johnson was going to become a physical freak and one of the best receivers in NFL history and Owens was going to become a whiny, overrated has-been.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Ocho stinko made it public he is not happy with his current role. He is double teamed almost every play, and TO obviously benefits huge from that. However if you line up Chad in the slot more and move TO in Chad's current position stats could easily flip. The fact still remains that the Bengles are still losing with TO blowing up. Bangles might thinking about a different strategy. TO's size should help him handle Double team better on paper plus he is hot right now with better moarle. Greg Jennings was lined up in the slot vs Cowboys and it worked out great. Even without driver. Bengle's coach might change the team strategy a bit since the current one is not working what do you guys think? Please think football and not fantasy bias thanks

Speculation sure is fun. What on earth makes you think that Ocho can be anywhere near as effective in the slot as TO? TO is an enormous mismatch in the slot, not only because he's got the quickness but he's also got the strength (most slot receivers tend to be smaller) and he's as good with the ball in his hands as any WR to ever play. Ocho is a classic split end or flanker. He doesn't have the quickness, nor do I think he's as tough as TO and willing to go over the middle. And just so it's clear, I detest TO's pathological need for attention (though he's been a good citizen the last couple of years) and I'm also an Ochocinco owner in multiple leagues. This doesn't come from any bias. Believe me, I'd love for you to be right on all counts.

Great points! But won't a coach rather have two functional superstars instead of just one? Maybe thats why the bengles are losing among few other issues. TO's effectiveness will suffer if he is moved but I think he will try harder when there is extra $2m on the line. The Chad is basically demanding a Change publicly, and I don't think it's going to fall on deaf ears that's all.

They do have two "superstars". One of them is doing a bang-up job attracting coverage and opening up opportunities for the other one. That spells NFL success, even if it is frustrating for some fantasy owners.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Marvin doesn't play fantasy...shut it down.

Great insights! Turning the team into a one pony show and losing 5 in a row is reality not fantasy, strategy adjustments are coming because the TO show ain't getting it done, shut it down.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Ocho stinko made it public he is not happy with his current role. He is double teamed almost every play, and TO obviously benefits huge from that. However if you line up Chad in the slot more and move TO in Chad's current position stats could easily flip. The fact still remains that the Bengles are still losing with TO blowing up. Bangles might thinking about a different strategy. TO's size should help him handle Double team better on paper plus he is hot right now with better moarle. Greg Jennings was lined up in the slot vs Cowboys and it worked out great. Even without driver. Bengle's coach might change the team strategy a bit since the current one is not working what do you guys think? Please think football and not fantasy bias thanks

Now if they can just send a memo to opposing teams and let them know who they should double team all should be good with this theory.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Losing 5 in a row is not "NFL Success", getting both "superstars" involved plus running game, develop team chemistry and winning games now that's NFL success IMO

Ocho stinko made it public he is not happy with his current role. He is double teamed almost every play, and TO obviously benefits huge from that. However if you line up Chad in the slot more and move TO in Chad's current position stats could easily flip. The fact still remains that the Bengles are still losing with TO blowing up. Bangles might thinking about a different strategy. TO's size should help him handle Double team better on paper plus he is hot right now with better moarle. Greg Jennings was lined up in the slot vs Cowboys and it worked out great. Even without driver. Bengle's coach might change the team strategy a bit since the current one is not working what do you guys think? Please think football and not fantasy bias thanks

Speculation sure is fun. What on earth makes you think that Ocho can be anywhere near as effective in the slot as TO? TO is an enormous mismatch in the slot, not only because he's got the quickness but he's also got the strength (most slot receivers tend to be smaller) and he's as good with the ball in his hands as any WR to ever play. Ocho is a classic split end or flanker. He doesn't have the quickness, nor do I think he's as tough as TO and willing to go over the middle. And just so it's clear, I detest TO's pathological need for attention (though he's been a good citizen the last couple of years) and I'm also an Ochocinco owner in multiple leagues. This doesn't come from any bias. Believe me, I'd love for you to be right on all counts.

Great points! But won't a coach rather have two functional superstars instead of just one? Maybe thats why the bengles are losing among few other issues. TO's effectiveness will suffer if he is moved but I think he will try harder when there is extra $2m on the line. The Chad is basically demanding a Change publicly, and I don't think it's going to fall on deaf ears that's all.

They do have two "superstars". One of them is doing a bang-up job attracting coverage and opening up opportunities for the other one. That spells NFL success, even if it is frustrating for some fantasy owners.

 

[FFdork]

They do have two "superstars". One of them is doing a bang-up job attracting coverage and opening up opportunities for the other one. That spells NFL success, even if it is frustrating for some fantasy owners.

But the Bengals aren't very successful. Personally, I'm not sure that has very much to do with whether Ocho Bad Spanisho is catching balls (although as an owner in a few leagues I'd love it if they thought it was the reason). That said, the original poster has a point only in that the Bengals may be looking to shake things up. I wouldn't want to be a coach on the Bengals trying to manage the egos of T.O. and the player formerly known as Johnson, but they signed up for it so I'm guessing they will be trying to keep both of them happy.

Anyway, my point is that things change quickly in fantasy football. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they made a point of getting the ball more to 85 or if it naturally happened because teams start game-planning more for T.O. I'll probably be benching Chad in several leagues, so he's guaranteed to go off this week, right?

 

[Donsmith753]

Marvin doesn't play fantasy...shut it down.

Great insights! Turning the team into a one pony show and losing 5 in a row is reality not fantasy, strategy adjustments are coming because the TO show ain't getting it done, shut it down.

Ok let me try this again. T.O is NOT the problem here. So Marv decides to switch the two and possibly has two inneffective receivers, that should help.What they need to do is keep T.O. where he is and focus on making Ocho more effective. My comment re fantasy was if T.O is doing well and Ocho isn't then Marvin isn't just going to swap them on the offchance it reverses, I don't think he cares which guy does well.

Bengals have bigger problems than this. Like their QB for starters.

 

[Breesisdaman]

By the way, the Bengals lost 5 games because their defense and special teams cant ball and turnovers, not because of the offense. Yes they need to get Chad more involved before he blows up and starts being a cancer but not at the expense of T.O. who has been their most productive player.

 

[unckeyherb]

I think I smell one of Chad's annual 'no-one-is-starting-me-cause-I-haven't-done-anything-in-weeks-so-I'll-get-half-of-my-yearly-FF-points-production-this-week' weeks (patent pending).

10/180/3. Bank on it.

 

[kinged]

I agree this doesn't make a lot of sense to switch.. The obvious move is the continue to put TO in the position to put up the same #'s, but try for improvement from Ocho also... Why take a WR who's getting lets say 100 yds, and the other WR is getting 40 yds, and switch them so the WR who was getting 40yds now gets 100 and the WR who was getting 100, now gets 40? You still are at 140 production... no benefit.

The reality is Ocho is the one who needs to step up, he whined during the game, and then proceeded to drop a couple of balls... That's on him..

TO is better after the catch,- stronger, more physical.. better to get him the ball and let him produce, and hope Ocho gets deep or gets open in his routes..

 

[Das Boot]

Yes they need to get Chad more involved before he blows up and starts being a cancer...

Chad will not do this.He's a team player.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I love me some Ocho but lining him up in the slot is not going to solve this.

Reason being - he won't give himself up over the middle.

Btw, this is a classic example of "be careful what you wish for". Chad begged 'em to get TO for which I am grateful. Not so sure Chad would make the same push if he had to do it all over again.

-QG

 

[bbuster]

I think I smell one of Chad's annual 'no-one-is-starting-me-cause-I-haven't-done-anything-in-weeks-so-I'll-get-half-of-my-yearly-FF-points-production-this-week' weeks (patent pending). 10/180/3. Bank on it.

Very likely since I'm seriously thinking of benching him for M. Thomas(fairly consistent and playing a terrible Texans D) this week. Can anyone tell me what's going on with Ocho? I have only watched one game(week 9), and I saw Palmer overthrowing him, Ocho dropping balls, and Ocho getting pissy about it. Is that pretty much par for the course this year? People have been saying he's been double teamed...but that's really nothing new. I know Ocho has never been terribly consistent, but it's hard to think of him not even being worthy of a WR3 spot.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Why Ocho is stinko?

"They used similar tactics again on Monday night, giving Ochocinco double coverage while Owens -- lined up next to slot receiver Jordan Shipley -- got different treatment. Owens finished with 10 catches for 141 yards. Ochocinco had his only catch -- for 15 yards -- on the Bengals' last drive.

"It felt like it'd be easier to get Ochocinco out of the game because he was the single-receiver side guy," Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said Tuesday. "You had some route-combination issues when you're talking about T.O. That's probably been the case with most people who've played them."

Why not just motion shiply, or line the slot on Ochocinco side more often? "Make it more fair Marvin And Palmer" that's what Chad is making a stink about, personally I think Palmer will audible if Marvin won't adjust. Because Chad and Palmer hugged and made up this week, new best buds? We will see.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Why not just motion shiply, or line the slot on Ochocinco side more often? "Make it more fair Marvin And Palmer" that's what Chad is making a stink about

If it's not broke, don't fix it.Lewis doesn't care about your FF team. (or the three I've got with #85)

 

[Addai's Adidas]

You can't just switch them and expect the same numbers. TO is who he is because of what he does. Strong, fast, tough, good hands. Can you imaging Ocho going 20 yards over the middle last week (instead of TO) had where he got DRILLED by two Steelers two steps after he caught it. Ocho would have grown some alligator arms. And if he did catch it, he would have been hurt.

 

[fantasizing]

You can't just switch them and expect the same numbers. TO is who he is because of what he does. Strong, fast, tough, good hands. Can you imaging Ocho going 20 yards over the middle last week (instead of TO) had where he got DRILLED by two Steelers two steps after he caught it. Ocho would have grown some alligator arms. And if he did catch it, he would have been hurt.

Ocho has taken some licks over the years running down the middle, but TO's catch on Monday night was spectacular and not many receivers in the NFL would have been able to make that play. The whole play was solid: laser beam throw by Palmer, great snag by TO, and the TO holding onto the ball after getting absolutely plastered by the defender.

 

[FarEastKilla]

TO fantasy owners think it's working while Bengles loses 5 in a row. Here is a fact, when TO is averaging 53 yards 0 TD in 2 games, when they spread the ball around, Bengles WON! So TO patting his stats in the TO show is not working in real life. Watch bengles run the ball way more against colts weak run defense, shorten the game by keep P manning off the field and motion a lot in this game, the key on offense is keep the Colts guessing. Marvin is in the hot seat he has to change things up, I sell high on Owens ASAP.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

Ocho stinko made it public he is not happy with his current role. He is double teamed almost every play, and TO obviously benefits huge from that. However if you line up Chad in the slot more and move TO in Chad's current position stats could easily flip. The fact still remains that the Bengles are still losing with TO blowing up. Bangles might thinking about a different strategy. TO's size should help him handle Double team better on paper plus he is hot right now with better moarle. Greg Jennings was lined up in the slot vs Cowboys and it worked out great. Even without driver. Bengle's coach might change the team strategy a bit since the current one is not working what do you guys think? Please think football and not fantasy bias thanks

obviously u didn't watch the steelers game, or read any of the many TO threads. Mike Tomlin explained everything to why Ocho gets doubled. simply put u can't stop owens doubling him, sure can erase ocho tho. teams will live with rushing Carson and see if react quickly and if he can get TO the ball accurately(which is a good gamble for th e defense last few years) opposed to giving him options.

 

[FarEastKilla]

I quoted Tomlin in above post, he is saying it's hard to double a player when there is a slot WR+TE next to him, and it's way easy to double team "WR1" that's on the other side in a island. Please read his comments carefully. Ocho is complaining the fact he always lined up in an island and doesn't have Slot receiver help therefore it's unfair to him due to his Diva attitude. He is begging his coach to switch positions with TO, at least motion some help (TE or Slot)his way. I thought everyone understands it by now. Ocho does have merit in his argument due the success of TO and players like White, if you watch those games TO and white always has help near them to draw coverages they are rarely lined up in an island. For the record, when TO was double teamed all the time last year in bufflo his stats Was worse than Chad's this year.

Ocho stinko made it public he is not happy with his current role. He is double teamed almost every play, and TO obviously benefits huge from that. However if you line up Chad in the slot more and move TO in Chad's current position stats could easily flip. The fact still remains that the Bengles are still losing with TO blowing up. Bangles might thinking about a different strategy. TO's size should help him handle Double team better on paper plus he is hot right now with better moarle. Greg Jennings was lined up in the slot vs Cowboys and it worked out great. Even without driver. Bengle's coach might change the team strategy a bit since the current one is not working what do you guys think? Please think football and not fantasy bias thanks

obviously u didn't watch the steelers game, or read any of the many TO threads. Mike Tomlin explained everything to why Ocho gets doubled. simply put u can't stop owens doubling him, sure can erase ocho tho. teams will live with rushing Carson and see if react quickly and if he can get TO the ball accurately(which is a good gamble for th e defense last few years) opposed to giving him options.

 

[habsfan]

TO fantasy owners think it's working while Bengles loses 5 in a row. Here is a fact, when TO is averaging 53 yards 0 TD in 2 games, when they spread the ball around, Bengles WON! So TO patting his stats in the TO show is not working in real life. Watch bengles run the ball way more against colts weak run defense, shorten the game by keep P manning off the field and motion a lot in this game, the key on offense is keep the Colts guessing. Marvin is in the hot seat he has to change things up, I sell high on Owens ASAP.

How is he padding his stats in the "TO show"? He gets open, he gets targeted and he catches the ball. What would you like him to do to be more unselfish?

 

[zoonation]

TO fantasy owners think it's working while Bengles loses 5 in a row. Here is a fact, when TO is averaging 53 yards 0 TD in 2 games, when they spread the ball around, Bengles WON! So TO patting his stats in the TO show is not working in real life. Watch bengles run the ball way more against colts weak run defense, shorten the game by keep P manning off the field and motion a lot in this game, the key on offense is keep the Colts guessing. Marvin is in the hot seat he has to change things up, I sell high on Owens ASAP.

The Bengals passing game is not the reason they are losing. HTH.

 

[FarEastKilla]

TO fantasy owners think it's working while Bengles loses 5 in a row. Here is a fact, when TO is averaging 53 yards 0 TD in 2 games, when they spread the ball around, Bengles WON! So TO patting his stats in the TO show is not working in real life. Watch bengles run the ball way more against colts weak run defense, shorten the game by keep P manning off the field and motion a lot in this game, the key on offense is keep the Colts guessing. Marvin is in the hot seat he has to change things up, I sell high on Owens ASAP.

How is he padding his stats in the "TO show"? He gets open, he gets targeted and he catches the ball. What would you like him to do to be more unselfish?

I'm NOT blaming TO for doing a bang up job, I think he should keep up his efforts ''no matter what's about to come. I blame this mess on the coaching staff by treating Ocho the Diva like a red headed step child, and believes him when he said he was okay with it. Marvin was calling plays where ocho is on the island on every play. They should realize they have two Divas and they both need to be happy by getting Equal touches, that's what they singed up for. Yet the strategy is always revolve around force the ball to TO in single coverage while Ocho gets doubled! now Ocho is jelous and demand a piece of that action. I pridect the coaches will listen, and call plays where Chad is going to be single covered instead of TO, therefore TO will drop in stats and Ocho will get a bump, if not the team will implode and bye bye Marvin!

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Chad brought his game today...

If I were Palmer, I would never throw down the middle to TO. He is afraid to get hit and the throw to the middle will end up in an INT. TO's never been a team player but this is the third time I've seen this happen.

 

[-jb-]

Chad brought his game today...

If I were Palmer, I would never throw down the middle to TO. He is afraid to get hit and the throw to the middle will end up in an INT. TO's never been a team player but this is the third time I've seen this happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jD6IIhMiMw

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Let me correct myself, don't throw to TO on a slant or cut to the middle...

 

[pghrob]

http://www.digitalsportsdaily.com/nfl/team...-the-colts.html

 

[identikit]

From TO's twitter, post-game:

I wanna apologize 2 the fans! I lost the game 4 us, gotta make more plays, gotta make sure I check n 2 eat 'just ok' food nite b4 the game.

 

[pghrob]

TO had a play some time I think in the 3rd qtr where Palmer threw deep along the right side and TO had to turn back. The sun light was perhaps shining into the stadium from the endzone to Palmer's back. Dierdorf (I think) thought the sun temporarily blinded TO causing him to miss the catch. They replayed it a couple of times. To me, it looked like TO failed to simply go out and catch the ball. Then after that, he had the failure to try and stop the int by reaching out across the middle. Lastly, he kept only walking or trotting back to the line on the last drive of the game.

TO looked to have quit on his team to me. Not sure why, but that is how it looks.

 

[Utter Chaos]

This makes sense. I just traded for TO a few days ago.

 

[Kirby]

TO had a play some time I think in the 3rd qtr where Palmer threw deep along the right side and TO had to turn back. The sun light was perhaps shining into the stadium from the endzone to Palmer's back. Dierdorf (I think) thought the sun temporarily blinded TO causing him to miss the catch. They replayed it a couple of times. To me, it looked like TO failed to simply go out and catch the ball. Then after that, he had the failure to try and stop the int by reaching out across the middle. Lastly, he kept only walking or trotting back to the line on the last drive of the game.TO looked to have quit on his team to me. Not sure why, but that is how it looks.

That's what he's looked like all year... but he's been getting big stats so no one noticed.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Chad sure did. I wouldn't say never throw the ball to TO in the middle, but Palmer shouldn't force it like he did in the past. I noticed this game both diva were used more evenly with creative play calling, BUT they need to run the ball on more. I can see the reason why they didn't since Bengals were down 17 early in the game and panicked. Palmer is no Mike Vick that's for sure.

Chad brought his game today...If I were Palmer, I would never throw down the middle to TO. He is afraid to get hit and the throw to the middle will end up in an INT. TO's never been a team player but this is the third time I've seen this happen.

 

[az_prof]

Chad brought his game today...If I were Palmer, I would never throw down the middle to TO. He is afraid to get hit and the throw to the middle will end up in an INT. TO's never been a team player but this is the third time I've seen this happen.

Ocho showed that he still has it. He made one amazing catch after another, really putting his body on the line. TO still has talent, but people forget how selfish he is and how egocentric. Yesterday was not the first time he has pulled up short and gave up on a pass that would have laid him out. People like to bag on Randy Moss but TO is more of a cancer IMO.

 

[cheese]

TO had a play some time I think in the 3rd qtr where Palmer threw deep along the right side and TO had to turn back. The sun light was perhaps shining into the stadium from the endzone to Palmer's back. Dierdorf (I think) thought the sun temporarily blinded TO causing him to miss the catch. They replayed it a couple of times. To me, it looked like TO failed to simply go out and catch the ball. Then after that, he had the failure to try and stop the int by reaching out across the middle. Lastly, he kept only walking or trotting back to the line on the last drive of the game.TO looked to have quit on his team to me. Not sure why, but that is how it looks.

That's what he's looked like all year... but he's been getting big stats so no one noticed.

Exactly, I've posted similar lists of what he has done in the previous games. As long as in the plays he isn't costing us the game he puts up big numbers, nobody on a fantasy site will care. Honestly, they shouldn't. They're going to keep throwing to him and he's going to keep getting numbers regardless if that takes them to 2-14 or not.The tally of interceptions you can directly credit to TO is unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it.

 

[netnalp]

TO had a play some time I think in the 3rd qtr where Palmer threw deep along the right side and TO had to turn back. The sun light was perhaps shining into the stadium from the endzone to Palmer's back. Dierdorf (I think) thought the sun temporarily blinded TO causing him to miss the catch. They replayed it a couple of times. To me, it looked like TO failed to simply go out and catch the ball. Then after that, he had the failure to try and stop the int by reaching out across the middle. Lastly, he kept only walking or trotting back to the line on the last drive of the game.TO looked to have quit on his team to me. Not sure why, but that is how it looks.

That's what he's looked like all year... but he's been getting big stats so no one noticed.

Exactly, I've posted similar lists of what he has done in the previous games. As long as in the plays he isn't costing us the game he puts up big numbers, nobody on a fantasy site will care. Honestly, they shouldn't. They're going to keep throwing to him and he's going to keep getting numbers regardless if that takes them to 2-14 or not.The tally of interceptions you can directly credit to TO is unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it.

Last week Merril Hodge showed several plays where TO slowed up on routes causing an interception/ incomplete passes rather than driving towards the ball, because he'd take a big hit.

 

[zoonation]

This thread is hilarious. One week T.O. gets praised for sacrificing his body in the Pit game and the next week he is a bum that won't take a hit.

 

[bshell27]

So what says the shark pool about Ocho this week. Rankings have him low

#45 and #32 2nd op.

Not to turn this into a WDIS but I have TB Mike and he is ranked top 15. I leave it up to the experts most of the time, but what gives with Ocho?

 

[TheWheel]

For one, neither have been bonafide superstars for a few years. Both talk more than they walk.

Also, this may be why they doing so bad. They should be moving these guys all over the place no? Instead of switching roles, why don't they, I dunno share the roles? If anything, no matter what happens, they can still play the percentages, double team Ocho, and see how many balls TO drops.

 

[QuizGuy66]

So what says the shark pool about Ocho this week. Rankings have him low#45 and #32 2nd op. Not to turn this into a WDIS but I have TB Mike and he is ranked top 15. I leave it up to the experts most of the time, but what gives with Ocho?

Ocho has 1 less DUI than Tampa Mike...-QG