Agree. Think you gotta go Brown, but wouldn't fault you for taking Gordon. Absolutely NO one else is in the discussion there though.Antonio Brown is the answer even if you don't like getting a WR.
Switch your league to an auction instead of an archaic snake draft.what is the play?
Don't do this. This could be a good discussion about now who is the third pick. A question lots of people are interested in.matuski said:Switch your league to an auction instead of an archaic snake draft.
I think McCoy and Freeman could be in the discussion.Deamon said:Agree. Think you gotta go Brown, but wouldn't fault you for taking Gordon. Absolutely NO one else is in the discussion there though.
At 3 overall? I dunno, I can't see it. I guess anyone could really be in the discussion, but it seems pretty cut and paste this year with the 3 pick that you're taking Brown.I think McCoy and Freeman could be in the discussion.
Deamon said:Agree. Think you gotta go Brown, but wouldn't fault you for taking Gordon. Absolutely NO one else is in the discussion there though.
Yep. I'd take McCoy over Gordon fairly easily in redraft.I think McCoy and Freeman could be in the discussion.
Affect, sure. Likely scenario imo - bills play from behind slightly more often than they would without both trades. McCoy is by far their best tool in the field but they need to get him in space, more receptions. But ty and the receivers might not be enough to keep defenses honest.I am picking 3 in a 14-teamer. No PPR, old-school redrdaft league that used to be 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 D & 1 K. However, in our 24th season, we are switching to flex this year -- have to start 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE and then the other two starting spots can be any combination of RB/WR/TE.
I too was taking whichever RB dropped to me of the big 3, but now that has changed. Was thinking Brown, but historically, WR1 ranks 6th overall, after the top 5 RBs, according to our scoring system.
Which RB to take here is now a big deal. My next 4 are McCoy, Freeman and Gordon and I don't really see another who could slip into the conversation for that spot among RBs. Our draft is Thursday and when it's time to pull the trigger, I don't know if I can take McCoy. I'm guessing the Audible guys would preach McCoy too. Do the trades Buffalo just made affect him? Or does it make him even more of a lock?
Is there any thoughts on taking Gordon over McCoy if you're dead set on getting a RB? McCoy has been the guy and will continue to be the guy, but I just have this worry of the miles he has on him. Not saying that Gordon's talent is necessarily better than that of McCoy's, but it's definitely something I've pondered.For the OP, I would go with McCoy since he is THE guy on his team. I don't blame anyone for rolling with Freeman either though since he has some legit positives over McCoy in some areas.
For TMZ, it is so easy to take Brown and then let the draft come to you as you have shown in your mocks.
Tevin will get more love than JW. And cost a lot more if you like backups.My problem with McCoy is that he's 29, why not take freeman who is younger, on a better offense and has the easiest playoff schedule in the league?
good point, although I don't handcuff freeman...too expensive.Tevin will get more love than JW. And cost a lot more if you like backups.
The smart money I'm is taking McCoy and paying for his backup.
Totally agreed. Although I'd be interested to see if taking the falcons backs as your duo, or maybe tevin as your third with Freeman in tow would be a good plan. Probably depends on how the loss of shanny impacts the offense.good point, although I don't handcuff freeman...too expensive.
Agreed AB is the no-brainer, but you're def not seeing Ajayi or Howard at #22. Likely you won't see Fournette or Gurley as well. I like Miller and your favorite rookie hype RB at the 2/3. For a guy who will only be around for the last 6 games, pretty steep price IMO, but I guess if you go .500 to start you'll be tough to beat down the stretch.Have to go Brown here even if it isn't PPR, you are going to be able to get 2 of these backs when it comes back around to you at the 2/3 turn. Miller, Ajayi, Cook, CMC, Fournette, Howard, Gurley, maybe even Zeke. I feel like I am missing another back, but you get the point.
Agreed on the reach at the ends. Take who you want not what the adp rankings or conventional wisdom dictate. I would rather go down swinging with gys I want on my team even if they may be considered a "reach" vs guys that I felt obligated to take based upon the circumstances of the draft.Agreed AB is the no-brainer, but you're def not seeing Ajayi or Howard at #22. Likely you won't see Fournette or Gurley as well. I like Miller and your favorite rookie hype RB at the 2/3. For a guy who will only be around for the last 6 games, pretty steep price IMO, but I guess if you go .500 to start you'll be tough to beat down the stretch.
When you're on the edges, if you really want someone, you'll have to reach sometimes. #27 might seem early for Cook or Mixon, but they won't be there at #46 in most formats.
snore said:Take who you want not what the adp rankings or conventional wisdom dictate. I would rather go down swinging with gys I want on my team even if they may be considered a "reach" vs guys that I felt obligated to take based upon the circumstances of the draft.
great posting!Agreed, and this should always be emphasized, especially to more "casual" fantasy players. When the season is on the line, I would much rather have "my guys" playing, rather than some ADP anointed pick. If you lose on the back of a player you didn't particularly want, you may spend the whole offseason cussing and screaming.
(Personally, I am "cold" enough to handle it, but many casual players are NOT)
Draft, pick and play who you want.......within reason.
Another small tidbit I see people make a mistake on at pick #3 - (in redraft)
Suppose you get Antonio Brown at #3, and the first two guys ahead of you get David Johnson and Le'Veon Bell as expected. Of course you should have at least a bit of an idea as to how the next round is going to unfold. Our leagues are START 3WRs , so I know damn well I am going to be getting 2 top WRs in the first three rounds. So then your late round 2 pick approaches, and you decide to snag a running back there. MISTAKE! I see people make this mistake all day long. If you know you are going to grab a RB (at either your round 2 pick or round 3 pick) then get yourself another position at round 2. For me, its going to be a WR.
REASON - The two guys that had picks 1 and 2 got RBs right? They are almost certainly going to get high end WRs with their next picks, (because they started with a top end RB) so if you want another WR in rounds 2 or 3, then take the wide receiver in round 2, and get your RB with a round 3 pick. I see guys screw this up all the time and I laugh every single time. The #1 and #2 overall slots nab the WR that the #3 guy wanted. Take the WR in round 2, since you know the other two managers are almost definitely going to get a WR there between your round 2 and 3 picks.
(Obviously this also holds true later on in drafts, but to a much lesser extent)
TZM
Bills fan here.I am picking 3 in a 14-teamer. No PPR, old-school redrdaft league that used to be 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 D & 1 K. However, in our 24th season, we are switching to flex this year -- have to start 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE and then the other two starting spots can be any combination of RB/WR/TE.
I too was taking whichever RB dropped to me of the big 3, but now that has changed. Was thinking Brown, but historically, WR1 ranks 6th overall, after the top 5 RBs, according to our scoring system.
Which RB to take here is now a big deal. My next 4 are McCoy, Freeman and Gordon and I don't really see another who could slip into the conversation for that spot among RBs. Our draft is Thursday and when it's time to pull the trigger, I don't know if I can take McCoy. I'm guessing the Audible guys would preach McCoy too. Do the trades Buffalo just made affect him? Or does it make him even more of a lock?
Hard to say for sure. They were without that deep threat they traded away for 8 games last year and McCoy beasted in the first four and then got injured in the 5th.Bills fan here.
Stay away from the entire offense. It's going to be a disaster this season. McCoy will sniff 1000 and 6 TDs. 1200/8TDs is his ceiling.
ETA: they have no deep threat to keep the safeties back. Additionally, defenses will play close to stop Tyrod from running, which means more often than not they'll be there to gang up on Shady. It's going to be a putrid offense.
They still had Goodwin, perhaps the fastest WR in the game. Teams had to respect that. Even though he was a marginal WR he could run a sick fly route and Tyrod is a very good deep passer.Hard to say for sure. They were without that deep threat they traded away for 8 games last year and McCoy beasted in the first four and then got injured in the 5th.
I'm in pretty much the same boat. That is #3 in a 14 team league old school non-PPR with RBs getting 6pts/TD and WRs get 4pts/TD. Based on that and that I know there will be decent WR options at 2.12 and 3.03. I'm locked into a RB and it's just a matter of which one. It comes down to McCoy or Freeman (Gordon isn't in the picture at #3 IMO). My heart is telling me Shady based on 1) His 13 rushing TDs last year and 2) Most of the experts have McCoy rated higher than Freeman. My head however is telling me to go with Freeman. Why?I am picking 3 in a 14-teamer. No PPR, old-school redrdaft league that used to be 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 D & 1 K. However, in our 24th season, we are switching to flex this year -- have to start 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE and then the other two starting spots can be any combination of RB/WR/TE.
I too was taking whichever RB dropped to me of the big 3, but now that has changed. Was thinking Brown, but historically, WR1 ranks 6th overall, after the top 5 RBs, according to our scoring system.
Which RB to take here is now a big deal. My next 4 are McCoy, Freeman and Gordon and I don't really see another who could slip into the conversation for that spot among RBs. Our draft is Thursday and when it's time to pull the trigger, I don't know if I can take McCoy. I'm guessing the Audible guys would preach McCoy too. Do the trades Buffalo just made affect him? Or does it make him even more of a lock?
McCoy's age doesn't concern me but I agree with your other point. That is that Atlanta is a MUCH better offense and I'm concerned about Buffalo constantly playing from behind. I haven't decided yet but I will be taking a RB at #3 and at this point slightly leaning to Freeman over McCoy.My problem with McCoy is that he's 29, why not take freeman who is younger, on a better offense and has the easiest playoff schedule in the league?
Same. My long running local 12 team redraft is next week. Picking at 3, was excited to get it but then the EE new broke. Start 1RB, 1WR and 2 flex from either position. It's going to be either Freeman or Brown. Non-PPR. I had favored McCoy initially but generally negative news and opinions on the Bills in recent days is turning me off. If I go Freeman, will likely go WR/WR at the 2/3 turn. If I go Brown, will likely go WR/RB next 2 picks.I'm in pretty much the same boat. That is #3 in a 14 team league old school non-PPR with RBs getting 6pts/TD and WRs get 4pts/TD. Based on that and that I know there will be decent WR options at 2.12 and 3.03. I'm locked into a RB and it's just a matter of which one. It comes down to McCoy or Freeman (Gordon isn't in the picture at #3 IMO). My heart is telling me Shady based on 1) His 13 rushing TDs last year and 2) Most of the experts have McCoy rated higher than Freeman. My head however is telling me to go with Freeman. Why?
McCoy not having to contend with TD vulture Gillislee pushes me a little back to McCoy but I'm not sure enough to make up for the disparity between Buffalo and Atlanta's offenses.
- Shady feels like fools gold (chasing last years TDs...only the second time in his career he had double digit TDs).
- I'm really concerned about Buffalo's offense. Trading Watkins is going to hurt and they are going to play from behind a lot
- The Atl offense looks high octane again. Tevin is going to take some carries but I think there are enough mouths to feed in that offense and Freeman looks to be the TD guy again.
Mariota in round 5 is waaaay too early for me. I got Stafford/Rivers in rounds 10&11 to stream in a 12 team league. Not much disparity between 6-15 IMO (matchup dependent)I will post a recent draft I had in one of my bigger $$$ leagues. I don't necessarily want critique of my team nor how I drafted, but I am just posting it since this thread has been stale for a week, and I know there are plenty of us out there drafting every day now.
Of course, I drafted from the 3rd slot.
This is just food for thought. This league is standard scoring, but no flex and mandatory start 3 WRs. Otherwise its a basic,QB,RB,RB,WR,WR,WR,TE,K,DEF with 6 bench spots.
Round 1 - Antonio Brown
Round 2 - Brandin Cooks
Round 3 - Dalvin Cook
Round 4 - C.J. Anderson
Round 5 - Marcus Mariota
Round 6 - Derrick Henry
Round 7 - Terrance West
Round 8 - Jonathan Stewart
Round 9 - John Brown
Round 10 - Duke Johnson
Round 11 - Jordan Matthews
Round 12 - Jack Doyle
Round 13 - Wil Lutz
Round 14 - LA Rams Defense
Round 15 - Jamaal Charles
A few notable things, I ended up taking Brandin Cooks as my WR2, and I didn't think I would actually own him this year. I didn't want to take Demaryius Thomas there, as I still doubt the passing game they may have. The other WR2-ish guys that were left, I wasn't too fond of, though I considered Baldwin. (TY Hilton, Doug Baldwin, Terrelle Pryor)
My normal strategy is to get 4 WRs, and draft a load of RBs late. I ended up taking RBs in rounds 3,4,6,7,8,10 and 15.
In retrospect, I would have liked to have one more big name WR, but on the flip side I have the RB depth to trade for another soon, and have already been talking offers from 2 owners.
I took the controversial?? pick of Marcus Mariota early in round 5, as I knew full well he wasn't going to make it back to me. NOTE- It was unexpected, but 2 qbs went off the board in round 1/Brady + Rodgers. It wasn't my intent to get a QB this early, but I liked the upside of Mariota and his late season run last year. I decided to take Mariota there, as I would rather have had him at this cost, than something like Winston or Roethlisberger later.
Doyle in round 11 was earlier than I wanted, but the TEs were drying up quickly. I planned to target Doyle later, I just had to get him when I did.
I typically grab a kicker in 13th or the 14th, and yet again the kickers were flying off the board early, and Lutz I wanted to gamble on.(good offense, dome etc)
I tend to "stockpile" RBs, and only have 4 WRs with differing byes if I can help it. That didn't quite work out...but I do feel like it was a solid depth of RBs, considering drafting from the 3rd slot.
One thing I want to add - and its become painfully obvious this year, and moreso than the last few years.
I had done a slew of mocks on Fantasy Pros, as is my usual custom. I do a bunch on yahoo as well, and in retrospect I Iiked actually doing the Yahoo ones better, even though they are far more time consuming.
REASON - Mock after Mock, I was simply waiting on a QB until much later, and the same is true with defenses and kickers. That just isn't the case with my leagues, as often the QBs, defenses and even kickers go off far faster. It caught me off guard, as it was worse than I had expected and prepared for. Two QBs going in the first round had a wild effect on this draft, and in turn they started going off the board faster. There were THREE defenses drafted in round 7. (7.8, 7.10, 7.11) There were TWO kickers drafted in round 8, and TWO kickers drafted in round 9.
But it allowed me to have much stronger depth at RB, and by week 7 several of the teams are going to be in dire straights at RB. There are several teams that only have 3 RBs. (and their 3rds are Shane Vereen and Sproles respectively on two squads) Good luck to those guys.
I guess "knowing your league" is key, and don't fall into the trap of doing only "expert mocks" and getting accustomed to doing those ONLY. Perhaps doing more "fishy/public" mocks is also a smart idea as the season approaches.
TZM
Mariota in round 5 is waaaay too early for me. I got Stafford/Rivers in rounds 10&11 to stream in a 12 team league. Not much disparity between 6-15 IMO (matchup dependent)
Couchtater said:Brown
Gurley
Crowell
Allen
Fitzgerald
Graham
Woodhead
Martin
Gutsy with Brown sitting there and "guaranteed" stud WR performance.Just found out I drew the three pick tonight in a twelve team, non-PPR draft. League is 1 QB 2 RB 2 WR 1 TE 1 WR/RB/TE flex and 1 DST 1 K
DoddsHenry has Elliott third. Tempted.