***Offical*** Who is this years "Robbie Gould" Thread? (1 Viewer)

[semaj33]

Before last season had anyone heard of Robbie Gould?

Whomever picked him up however probably stole some serious "extra points"....in fact in my league..the kid who picked him up won our championship....its little things like this that can go a long way, and are often overlooked by the other major positions...RB, WR, QB etc...

2 years ago neil rackers had more points on my team than everyone but shaun alexander....last year it was Gould...who will it be this year?

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For this one, I am going to have to vote for Jason Hanson....the kicker for Mr. Millen in Detroit...

with calvin and company...the lions offense will be improving.....but is it enough to get all touchdowns and not field goals? I don't believe so, check out Hanson's game log last season...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2034/g...HCENh6iFkz.uLYF

it ended pretty well...and need i remind you that he kicks in a dome?

so Hanson should be quite the steal if you are looking for that FA kicker to be this years Robbie Gould...

how about you? what are your predictions for this year "robbie gould"?

 

[rdstorm]

I'll second Hanson. I had him in mind as soon as I saw the title of the thread.

He's a dome kicker with good range, he plays on a team that should have a high powered offense, and they might have a fairly weak running game in the red zone.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Mike Nugent

Offense is good, but will have trouble maintaining long drives. Defense is good enough to count on, so....get three pts says Mangenius.

 

[pyite76]

Gostkowski.

 

[LionsFan78]

The only thing that worries me about Hanson is his kicks in the 0-29 yard range. He tied for first in that category (13/13) last year, but if Detroits efficiency goes up, as it very well could, he might get less opportunities there. He's a lock for finishing in the top half however of kickers. Me personally, I stay away from any kicker who's team has a shot of getting shut out in any given game.

My candidates -

Olindo Mare, NO - Near-elite offense, on paper a much better defense this year.

Gostkowski, NE - Spectacular offense and top 5 defense. Perfect combination for kicking success.

- Neither offense listed above is so overly-dominating at one position, that they'll steal kicking opportunities (See Kaeding 2006)

Other Candidates -

Rian Lindell, BUF and Jay Feely, MIA

 

[Warhogs]

This is always tough because there is not a great formula for success. In the two examples you gave Arizona had a good offense that stalled out and a poor defense. Last year Chicago had a mediocre offense and a great defense. The names being mentioned seem to be good candidates. Maybe one more similar to last season could be the Baltimore kicker? Very good defense with an offense that will probably be pretty conservative. If Tennessee can play solid D I can see their kicker doing well too. Vince Young's running can really help move the chains but they might stall out when the field gets short?

 

[mlball77]

This is always tough because there is not a great formula for success. In the two examples you gave Arizona had a good offense that stalled out and a poor defense. Last year Chicago had a mediocre offense and a great defense. The names being mentioned seem to be good candidates. Maybe one more similar to last season could be the Baltimore kicker? Very good defense with an offense that will probably be pretty conservative. If Tennessee can play solid D I can see their kicker doing well too. Vince Young's running can really help move the chains but they might stall out when the field gets short?

Some great points in this post. I never strongly considered the impact of a great defense on the scoring of a kicker. Last year it seems clear to me that CHI's defense and Hester's returns got them great field position repeatedly, resulting in a lot of scoring opportunities for the team and Gould. That said, I still feel that often the strength of a team's offense is the primary determinant in how much a PK has the opportunity to score. However, the D and return clearly factor in as well. Just my view, I could be dead wrong.As LionsFan78 brought up, Mare and Gostowski as potential 'out of nowhere' PKs for '07 seems to make sense. I think both are solid calls by him.

 

[semaj33]

just thought of another one...but what about that kid Mason Crosby in GB...? they have to score points somehow...this falls under the decent defense rule....however, maybe he is more of this years stephen gostkowski though..and next year can make this list.....

 

[bostonfred]

If a team's going to get blown out a lot, why would they kick field goals? If they're blowing other teams out, why would they kick field goals? It seems like you're looking for a team that can score a bunch, but can't stop anyone, or a team that can stop people, but can't score consistently. Rex Grossman was the perfect QB to get them in field goal range because he took a lot of shots up the field, but couldn't pass them any closer to the end zone once they got in range.

 

[Bizkiteer]

This is always tough because there is not a great formula for success. In the two examples you gave Arizona had a good offense that stalled out and a poor defense. Last year Chicago had a mediocre offense and a great defense. The names being mentioned seem to be good candidates. Maybe one more similar to last season could be the Baltimore kicker? Very good defense with an offense that will probably be pretty conservative. If Tennessee can play solid D I can see their kicker doing well too. Vince Young's running can really help move the chains but they might stall out when the field gets short?

Some great points in this post. I never strongly considered the impact of a great defense on the scoring of a kicker. Last year it seems clear to me that CHI's defense and Hester's returns got them great field position repeatedly, resulting in a lot of scoring opportunities for the team and Gould. That said, I still feel that often the strength of a team's offense is the primary determinant in how much a PK has the opportunity to score. However, the D and return clearly factor in as well. Just my view, I could be dead wrong.As LionsFan78 brought up, Mare and Gostowski as potential 'out of nowhere' PKs for '07 seems to make sense. I think both are solid calls by him.

Though Mare is new to NO, NO PK was in top 10 last year. Not sure if that would be considered a "breakout."

 

[AnonymousBob]

It could be a helluva lot of kickers this year. Either take Elam somewhat early or do what we all do every year-grab whatever is left over with your last pick(s).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Im going back to rackers this year

 

[gheemony]

Gostkowski - He quietly had a great year. The offense has improved. He's on a good team. He's young. A future Vinatieri. Grab him in Dynasty Leagues. A great value based on ADP

Scobee - More high risk/high reward. That offense could collapse with injuries and poor performance at WR. But you have to like what the RBs can do. And that defense helps. Another great value. If I was in a league that required drafting two Ks, he'd be my second due to potential.

 

[Gr00vus]

Magic eight ball says "wait until Herman works his magic"

 

[Mike Herman]

This is always tough because there is not a great formula for success. In the two examples you gave Arizona had a good offense that stalled out and a poor defense. Last year Chicago had a mediocre offense and a great defense. The names being mentioned seem to be good candidates. Maybe one more similar to last season could be the Baltimore kicker? Very good defense with an offense that will probably be pretty conservative. If Tennessee can play solid D I can see their kicker doing well too. Vince Young's running can really help move the chains but they might stall out when the field gets short?

Some great points in this post. I never strongly considered the impact of a great defense on the scoring of a kicker. Last year it seems clear to me that CHI's defense and Hester's returns got them great field position repeatedly, resulting in a lot of scoring opportunities for the team and Gould. That said, I still feel that often the strength of a team's offense is the primary determinant in how much a PK has the opportunity to score. However, the D and return clearly factor in as well. Just my view, I could be dead wrong.

As LionsFan78 brought up, Mare and Gostowski as potential 'out of nowhere' PKs for '07 seems to make sense. I think both are solid calls by him.

As noted above, there is a modest correlation between strong defenses and kicker scoring, although obviously not as strong as the correlation to offense. If you want the specific numbers, they can be found here in chapters 15 and 17: Kickology link

 

[AB in DC]

You're basically looking for:

1) Good-but-not-great offense (if it were a great offense, the kicker would already be considered top-ten)

2) Good to great defense/ST

3) Poor red zone efficiency

The first two are self-explanatory. The third tends to be unpredictable, but I like to look for offenses that are better at passing than rushing. These teams will make it down the field but be unable to convert third-and-short or goal-line situations that would turn into TDs for most teams.

When in doubt, look for kickers with proven track record for accuracy and distance; you can see my AAA rating methodology in Herman's Kickology piece for a stat that accounts for both. But there are lots of young kickers who either have no track record (eg. Gould 2006, who hadn't even won the job until late in training camp), or who are young and still improving (eg. Rackers 2005). So you're usually often better off focusing on the team's situation rather than the individual kicker.