****OFFICIAL**** 2008 Washington Redskins Off Season Thread! (1 Viewer)

[Sidewinder16]

Bringing in a new, young guy for HC, who has no idea what the team experienced together this season, just doesn't make any sense to me. I think the new HC has to come from within if they are really serious about continuity and keeping the team together for '08.

Looks like JLC is starting to put together his own pieces of the puzzle, rationally.At this point, I'd probably be more surprised if Gregg doesn't get the job than I was when I heard Gibbs retired.

 

[dgreen]

Latest from JLC:

Insiders say Williams will get an interview and will probably be last.

Theismann is not part of the formal process, but does talk to Snyder like Sonny Jergensen does at times.

Saunders has no idea what's going on and likely won't get an interview.

They've interviewed Schwartz, need to interview a minority candidate, and will likely interview someone still in the playoff race. Add in GW and that's 4 interviews. (JLC has yet to say anything about Grimm or Snyder's plane going to AZ.)

 

[buster c]

That was Mike Wise of the WaPo and I agree that Czabe was over the line. But sometime his rants are schtick and I sort of thought that one was too.

I thought it was schtick for the first 5 minutes or so. But when Czaban kept beating it to death, and when he resumed talking about it this morning on his Fox Sports morning show, I realized he actually believed his blather. He obviously has an axe to grind either with Wise or with the Post and he's letting it affect his judgment. I hate when he turns into just another loud blowhard like that; he often has a hell of a lot to offer.

yet you still listen...I'm a big Czabe fan because he offers up his opinion and will play devils advocate - unlike the whiney Andy Pollin, who flip-flops depending on the direction of the team.

 

[dgreen]

Link

The Washington Redskins were expected Friday to interview a second candidate for the vacant head coaching job.

The candidate is said to be an assistant from another team.

The guy with the source at extremeskins said the flight actually left Arizona for Dulles at 9 this morning, so he should be here soon if he isn't already.

 

[dgreen]

From PFT:

GRIMM VISITS WITH 'SKINS?There's talk on the league grapevine that Cardinals offensive line coach Russ Grimm interviewed on Friday for the vacant head-coaching job with the Redskins.It's only a rumor at this point -- not fact.If it's a fact, it makes sense, given that Grimm was one of the "Hogs." And given that Grimm nearly was named the Steelers' coach last year at this time. In fact, there have been reports that Grimm actually had the job before the Steelers did an about-face and gave it to Mike Tomlin.It's amazing, frankly, that Grimm hasn't gotten any consideration for the other vacant gigs. How does a guy go from being a finalist to off of the map in only one year? It's further proof as to how the media drives the process by focusing on assistant coaches from teams that are doing "well." But even though the Cardinals didn't make the playoffs (again), they have improved, and Grimm should still be in the mix for jobs.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Schwartz is now the frontrunner, according to NBC Sports. Then again, he's the only one to interview so far. He apparently "blew them away" in the interview.

Link

Interesting to see Theismann in the advisor mix.

Also can't see how this isn't a monstrous slap in the face to GW.

I really can't figure out what is going on with GW. On one hand, I would have thought that there would be an announcement from Snyder or the Skins to say that although they are going through the "process", they do plan to interview some in-house candidates. But there has been no mention of a candidate list. But on the other hand, if GW was not the choice and he knows/suspects it, his name would be mentioned as a possible head coach candidate in other cities - Miami, Atlanta, Baltimore, etc. But I haven't heard anything.

So, maybe GW has been told privately that he is a candidate and to sit tight while Snyder goes through his "process" - maybe Snyder just wants to get a feel for other potential coaches in case GW is another Pettibone.

It doesn't seem (to me at least) that GW is making waves or demanding an interview, or anything. I think he must have some idea of what is going on or else he would be talking about resigning and looking elsewhere. Since that hasn't happened, I still think he is the favorite.

Of course with Danny boy, all this could change in the next 5 minutes.

Snyder has said nothing publicly about the search except that he will take his time. And if you look at it, there is nothing for him to be gained by saying anything publicly. If Williams is the pick, they should tell no one, interview some people, and make sure they meet the Rooney rule. Tipping his hand would be stupid on Snyder's part.

They already know what they have in Williams - they don't need to interview him first. Better to interview alternative candidates (meeting the Rooney Rule in the process), and armed with that knowledge sit down with Gregg to see if he's in fact the best one. They gain nothing by clearly stating their intentions here.

 

[Marvelous]

Gregg Williams has not said anything publicly. More than likely, the Redskins have given him some heads up on the process and where he fits in. And delaying his interview gives him time to prepare.

Al Saunders has been reported to be out of the loop. That would be a strong indication that he will not be invited for an interview.

 

[fatness]

yet you still listen...

I listen for Polian, and for Czaban when he's playing sports reporter instead of blowhard. If Czaban goes on and on and on I switch to Anita Marks' show in the afternoon or Mike & Mike in the morning. Not sure what your point is?

 

[fatness]

Wow, the meeting between Snyder, Cerrato, and Schwartz lasted 9 hours. Link

I have no idea how Schwarts would do as a coach, but on offense I'm pretty sure he'd call a lot of crossing patterns.

 

[fatness]

Latest from LaCanfora, late last night:

Have gone through plenty of options and exhausted several possibilities regarding the coaching search - the consensus I keep coming to is Williams is the guy - and I have a pretty good hunch on who they brought in, but at this point I have to sleep on it and get it nailed down all the way.

 

[fatness]

From PFT:

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that, indeed, Redskins owner Dan Snyder and V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato met with Grimm in Arizona.

I get the feeling this might take awhile. I think they want to interview Jim Caldwell of the Colts, and until the Colts are out of the playoffs they can't do so.

 

[thayman]

From PFT:

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that, indeed, Redskins owner Dan Snyder and V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato met with Grimm in Arizona.

I get the feeling this might take awhile. I think they want to interview Jim Caldwell of the Colts, and until the Colts are out of the playoffs they can't do so.

Good. I prefer Williams to get the job, but I would like to see them take their time and interview a few people and make sure the decision they make is the right one.

 

[fatness]

Same here --- I'm fine with them taking their time. They're not just hiring a coach for the offseason and next season; they're hiring someone they hope will be leading the team for 5-10 years.

I'd like them to interview Caldwell (Colts Assistant Head Coach/QB Coach). The Ravens and Falcons have interviewed him for their HC openings, and he seems to have a very good record working with quarterbacks. Even if they hire someone else, Caldwell seems like a guy you'd want to open the door with for a future opening.

 

[fatness]

Jay Glazer did an article on Bad Coaching Hires, and the list of 12 worst includes 2 Redskins --- Spurrier and Pettibon.

 

[thayman]

Same here --- I'm fine with them taking their time. They're not just hiring a coach for the offseason and next season; they're hiring someone they hope will be leading the team for 5-10 years. I'd like them to interview Caldwell (Colts Assistant Head Coach/QB Coach). The Ravens and Falcons have interviewed him for their HC openings, and he seems to have a very good record working with quarterbacks. Even if they hire someone else, Caldwell seems like a guy you'd want to open the door with for a future opening.

I agree. I'm also happy I haven't heard any rumors about any college coaches coming to Washington.

 

[fatness]

Williams Interviews For Redskins' Vacancy

Gregg Williams was interviewed for the Washington Redskins' head coaching vacancy yesterday, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, while numerous NFL executives and agents continue to say they believe he is the favorite to get the position.

 

[fatness]

From the same article:

Several general managers contacted said they believed the job of Al Saunders, the Redskins' associate head coach whose offense has under-performed in two years in Washington, could be in jeopardy, and some turnover on the offensive coaching staff may be inevitable.Snyder soured on the lack of offensive progress since Gibbs handed off play-calling duties to Saunders, according to several league sources who spoke with members of Washington's management through the season, and many braced for a change even had Gibbs stayed. Saunders, who earns more than $2 million per season, has not been considered as a candidate for the coaching vacancy at this point.Saunders and Williams are not close, according to team sources, and though they could likely work together, there would have to be much greater interaction between them if Williams were head coach, and they have differing philosophies on many football matters.

 

[fatness]

JLC's blog:

Spoke to people close to Tennessee defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, who was the first person to interview on Thursday, and they say that Schwartz came away believing Williams would be the guy. The source said Schwartz believes the process will be short and that no GM will be hired--although there could be changes on the offensive side of the ball regardless of the coach. Spoke to numerous agents again for other high-profile coaches and they all believe the job is Williams's to lose.Also, I know ESPN and others have reported Russ Grimm interviewed Friday. Someone did indeed meet with Snyder, but Grimm's agent has told several people it was not his client and sources in the Cardinals' front office have said that Grimm did not interview. The Redskins will not confirm any interview with Grimm.I also learned through a league source that Indy assistants Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell are candidates for interviews and the Redskins would like permission to meet with them, but they would not be available until the Colts' season is over and this could be well wrapped up by then.

 

[fatness]

Mike Wise column in the Post

The Washington Redskins finally began interviewing, in earnest, the most obvious candidate for their coaching vacancy yesterday, the man who is the best choice for the job. Gregg Williams is the best candidate to coach this team -- not Bill Cowher or Pete Carroll or any other prominent name thrown about by misguided souls who believe Daniel Snyder's only interest is glamour boys in headsets.

After the tumult the organization went through this past season, the Redskins' owner grasps this fact: The moment Joe Gibbs stepped down Tuesday, his players subconsciously became Williams's players. Beyond Gibbs, no one over the past two months but Williams, the head of the team's defense for four seasons and the coach closest to the late Sean Taylor, drew more admiration and respect from players.

To hire another coach -- especially if it were a glitzy, big-name guy -- would dismiss that connection and the bonds forged in the wake of the tragedy. The Redskins believe, almost to a man, that their shared experience gave them a glimpse of what a genuine team could accomplish. Snyder also understands that no one outside the team's Ashburn headquarters can intuitively feel what this team needs better than Williams. To deny Williams the head-coaching job, in some ways, would be denying that the end of the season became the transcendent, light-bulb moment Gibbs claims it became.

The owner put all his eggs in one basket with Gibbs, whom he genuinely thought was coming back to coach the team at this time last week. When Snyder told a friend he would offer Gibbs an extension shortly before Taylor died, the friend asked him what Snyder would do if Gibbs turned it down. "I have no Plan B," he said.

But the right and unanimous pick should be Williams, the passionate (read: a little insane) defensive boss whose hair-trigger, bull-terrier ways have been tamed and has now been tempered with the diplomacy required of a head coach.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

I'd also think seriously about whacking Santana Moss, and as much as I love him as a receiver, he did drop an awful lot of balls this season.

No way. He had a bad year, but they have nothing remotely resembling a playmaker without him. He's an elite WR when he's healthy. To me you build with him, which is what I'm sure the team will do.

I agree. I'd actually like to see them spend some money on a WR this year. I'd like them to address the OL and DL some, but I think they should be willing to spend for a legit WR1 or WR2.

I'm with you, I would not want to get rid of Moss by any means. I'm not sure I'd be happy with shelling out some serious cash to a WR. The open market is pretty thin and guys like Berrian, Hackett and Bryant Johnson figure to all cash in with big deals since they're pretty much the best of what is available. I like Hackett, but he's seemingly always hurt. The way ARE played towards the end of the year, I'm not sure that Hackett or Johnson are big upgrades of him, if at all. Plus, how could we possibly tie up more big money into the WR position? I say resign Caldwell or bring in someone like Brandon Stoakley. And spend a day 1 pick on a WR. Hopefully one of the guys that spent much of 2007 injured, like Sweed or Doucet, fall in the 2nd round. Otherwise a guy like Manningham is being projected as a mid 2nd rounder right now too.

Isn't Donte Stallworth a FA this offseason?

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

I'd also think seriously about whacking Santana Moss, and as much as I love him as a receiver, he did drop an awful lot of balls this season.

No way. He had a bad year, but they have nothing remotely resembling a playmaker without him. He's an elite WR when he's healthy. To me you build with him, which is what I'm sure the team will do.

I agree. I'd actually like to see them spend some money on a WR this year. I'd like them to address the OL and DL some, but I think they should be willing to spend for a legit WR1 or WR2.

I'm with you, I would not want to get rid of Moss by any means. I'm not sure I'd be happy with shelling out some serious cash to a WR. The open market is pretty thin and guys like Berrian, Hackett and Bryant Johnson figure to all cash in with big deals since they're pretty much the best of what is available. I like Hackett, but he's seemingly always hurt. The way ARE played towards the end of the year, I'm not sure that Hackett or Johnson are big upgrades of him, if at all. Plus, how could we possibly tie up more big money into the WR position? I say resign Caldwell or bring in someone like Brandon Stoakley. And spend a day 1 pick on a WR. Hopefully one of the guys that spent much of 2007 injured, like Sweed or Doucet, fall in the 2nd round. Otherwise a guy like Manningham is being projected as a mid 2nd rounder right now too.

Isn't Donte Stallworth a FA this offseason?

Thats all we need! Stallworth to play 1 week Moss off that week. Those 2 would never be healthy. If were going wr, I would really want B. Johnson. He's a tall reciecver, and seems to always do well, when he gets starting time.

 

[southeastjerome]

I'd also think seriously about whacking Santana Moss, and as much as I love him as a receiver, he did drop an awful lot of balls this season.

No way. He had a bad year, but they have nothing remotely resembling a playmaker without him. He's an elite WR when he's healthy. To me you build with him, which is what I'm sure the team will do.

I agree. I'd actually like to see them spend some money on a WR this year. I'd like them to address the OL and DL some, but I think they should be willing to spend for a legit WR1 or WR2.

I'm with you, I would not want to get rid of Moss by any means. I'm not sure I'd be happy with shelling out some serious cash to a WR. The open market is pretty thin and guys like Berrian, Hackett and Bryant Johnson figure to all cash in with big deals since they're pretty much the best of what is available. I like Hackett, but he's seemingly always hurt. The way ARE played towards the end of the year, I'm not sure that Hackett or Johnson are big upgrades of him, if at all. Plus, how could we possibly tie up more big money into the WR position? I say resign Caldwell or bring in someone like Brandon Stoakley. And spend a day 1 pick on a WR. Hopefully one of the guys that spent much of 2007 injured, like Sweed or Doucet, fall in the 2nd round. Otherwise a guy like Manningham is being projected as a mid 2nd rounder right now too.

Isn't Donte Stallworth a FA this offseason?

No, but his cap number is around $11 million next year, so he's a candidate to be cut or restructured. He's due $8 million in bonuses by March 1.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Mike Wise column in the Post

To hire another coach -- especially if it were a glitzy, big-name guy -- would dismiss that connection and the bonds forged in the wake of the tragedy. The Redskins believe, almost to a man, that their shared experience gave them a glimpse of what a genuine team could accomplish. Snyder also understands that no one outside the team's Ashburn headquarters can intuitively feel what this team needs better than Williams. To deny Williams the head-coaching job, in some ways, would be denying that the end of the season became the transcendent, light-bulb moment Gibbs claims it became.

Wise sums up my thoughts on this perfectly.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

I'd also think seriously about whacking Santana Moss, and as much as I love him as a receiver, he did drop an awful lot of balls this season.

No way. He had a bad year, but they have nothing remotely resembling a playmaker without him. He's an elite WR when he's healthy. To me you build with him, which is what I'm sure the team will do.

I agree. I'd actually like to see them spend some money on a WR this year. I'd like them to address the OL and DL some, but I think they should be willing to spend for a legit WR1 or WR2.

I'm with you, I would not want to get rid of Moss by any means. I'm not sure I'd be happy with shelling out some serious cash to a WR. The open market is pretty thin and guys like Berrian, Hackett and Bryant Johnson figure to all cash in with big deals since they're pretty much the best of what is available. I like Hackett, but he's seemingly always hurt. The way ARE played towards the end of the year, I'm not sure that Hackett or Johnson are big upgrades of him, if at all. Plus, how could we possibly tie up more big money into the WR position? I say resign Caldwell or bring in someone like Brandon Stoakley. And spend a day 1 pick on a WR. Hopefully one of the guys that spent much of 2007 injured, like Sweed or Doucet, fall in the 2nd round. Otherwise a guy like Manningham is being projected as a mid 2nd rounder right now too.

Isn't Donte Stallworth a FA this offseason?

No, but his cap number is around $11 million next year, so he's a candidate to be cut or restructured. He's due $8 million in bonuses by March 1.

He won't be a Patriot next year. Gaffney very good this year, and they need to resign Randy Moss. Stallworth's been healthy this year, and he's one of those guys who, like Isaac Bruce and Fred Taylor, seem like they've taken a while to learn how to get their legs in proper condition. In tandem with Santana, Stallworth would be a pretty formidable WR.

 

[fatness]

In tandem with Santana, Stallworth would be a pretty formidable WR.

Or a pretty formidable IR, unfortunately.

 

[dgreen]

Latest from LaCanfora, late last night:

Have gone through plenty of options and exhausted several possibilities regarding the coaching search - the consensus I keep coming to is Williams is the guy - and I have a pretty good hunch on who they brought in, but at this point I have to sleep on it and get it nailed down all the way.

I'm not going to go through all his blog posts right now, but hasn't he pretty much said he didn't think Williams would be the guy?Looks like they'll be able to talk to Caldwell tomorrow if they want. I expect to see reports on extremeskins that Redskins One is on its way to Indianapolis.

 

[southeastjerome]

I'm sure most of you guys probably saw it, but Jay Glazer just said that GW is having a 2nd interview tomorrow and the Skins will also interview Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell now that Indy is out. Is it just me or does it seem weird that they interviewed GW for 8 hours and now they're bringing him in for a 2nd interview? I mean, he's been in DC for a while now, wouldn't one think that Cerrato and Snyder have a pretty good idea of what the guy is all about?

 

[Marvelous]

I'd also think seriously about whacking Santana Moss, and as much as I love him as a receiver, he did drop an awful lot of balls this season.

No way. He had a bad year, but they have nothing remotely resembling a playmaker without him. He's an elite WR when he's healthy. To me you build with him, which is what I'm sure the team will do.

I agree. I'd actually like to see them spend some money on a WR this year. I'd like them to address the OL and DL some, but I think they should be willing to spend for a legit WR1 or WR2.

I'm with you, I would not want to get rid of Moss by any means. I'm not sure I'd be happy with shelling out some serious cash to a WR. The open market is pretty thin and guys like Berrian, Hackett and Bryant Johnson figure to all cash in with big deals since they're pretty much the best of what is available. I like Hackett, but he's seemingly always hurt. The way ARE played towards the end of the year, I'm not sure that Hackett or Johnson are big upgrades of him, if at all. Plus, how could we possibly tie up more big money into the WR position? I say resign Caldwell or bring in someone like Brandon Stoakley. And spend a day 1 pick on a WR. Hopefully one of the guys that spent much of 2007 injured, like Sweed or Doucet, fall in the 2nd round. Otherwise a guy like Manningham is being projected as a mid 2nd rounder right now too.

Isn't Donte Stallworth a FA this offseason?

I was actually starting to think Santana Moss is the most important player on the Redskins offense. When he is out or not playing well, the Redskin's offense is just not that good. They need his play making and production to make the offense go. Also, after shelling out big bucks for Brandon Lloyd, I think the Redskins may be more cautious about spending big money on a free agent wr. The probably already have the highest paid group of wr. Moss, Randle El, and Lloyd all make big time money. McCardell (don't know if he will come back for another year) and Caldwell looked like decent #3 wrs at times. I'd like the Redskins to try to develop some wrs. I think they were high on Mike Espy before he went on IR before the season started.

 

[Marvelous]

I'm sure most of you guys probably saw it, but Jay Glazer just said that GW is having a 2nd interview tomorrow and the Skins will also interview Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell now that Indy is out. Is it just me or does it seem weird that they interviewed GW for 8 hours and now they're bringing him in for a 2nd interview? I mean, he's been in DC for a while now, wouldn't one think that Cerrato and Snyder have a pretty good idea of what the guy is all about?

There is a lot to negotiate to make sure everyone is on the same page. And the time to do it is during the interview process, not after the deal is done. I am hoping that Gregg Williams is going over the player acquisition process in great deal, so he know his role, Snyder's role, and Cerrato's role. He obviously can't get Snyder and Cerrato out of the process, but he has to be comfortable with how it's done and that it will result in getting players he can work with. I don't really care if Williams is the 3rd voice or they hire another person to represent Williams, but I would not want a front office of Snyder and Cerrato only.I also hope that Williams will place a big emphasis on drafting and developing players. The last year or two, it looked like Gibbs was more into that. The first two years, Gibbs was all for going after veterans and trading away draft picks.

 

[fatness]

I'm sure most of you guys probably saw it, but Jay Glazer just said that GW is having a 2nd interview tomorrow and the Skins will also interview Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell now that Indy is out. Is it just me or does it seem weird that they interviewed GW for 8 hours and now they're bringing him in for a 2nd interview? I mean, he's been in DC for a while now, wouldn't one think that Cerrato and Snyder have a pretty good idea of what the guy is all about?

There is a lot to negotiate to make sure everyone is on the same page. And the time to do it is during the interview process, not after the deal is done. I am hoping that Gregg Williams is going over the player acquisition process in great deal, so he know his role, Snyder's role, and Cerrato's role. He obviously can't get Snyder and Cerrato out of the process, but he has to be comfortable with how it's done and that it will result in getting players he can work with. I don't really care if Williams is the 3rd voice or they hire another person to represent Williams, but I would not want a front office of Snyder and Cerrato only.I also hope that Williams will place a big emphasis on drafting and developing players. The last year or two, it looked like Gibbs was more into that. The first two years, Gibbs was all for going after veterans and trading away draft picks.

I agree with what you said. I think also that they'll want to know generally how Williams would want to delegate responsibility among the other coaches, how he'll deal with those coaches when they're doing poorly in his eyes, how he'll deal with underperforming players, etc. He has a long reputation as an abrasive guy, which he only began to shed after the embarrassment of last year's defensive performance. This year he seemed to rely on, and to credit, the players (and Gibbs) much more than he ever did before. If he is going to revert to being Old Arrogant Gregg, he'll have trouble holding the team and staff together. If he remains like he was this season, especially the latter half, the team will follow him to hell and back. A new head coach is going to screw up sometimes, and he'll need the team behind him when he does.

 

[fatness]

the Skins will also interview Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell now that Indy is out.

I'm glad for that reason that Indy lost. I want them to interview those guys (and Grimm if they have not already).

 

[thayman]

I'm sure most of you guys probably saw it, but Jay Glazer just said that GW is having a 2nd interview tomorrow and the Skins will also interview Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell now that Indy is out. Is it just me or does it seem weird that they interviewed GW for 8 hours and now they're bringing him in for a 2nd interview? I mean, he's been in DC for a while now, wouldn't one think that Cerrato and Snyder have a pretty good idea of what the guy is all about?

There is a lot to negotiate to make sure everyone is on the same page. And the time to do it is during the interview process, not after the deal is done. I am hoping that Gregg Williams is going over the player acquisition process in great deal, so he know his role, Snyder's role, and Cerrato's role. He obviously can't get Snyder and Cerrato out of the process, but he has to be comfortable with how it's done and that it will result in getting players he can work with. I don't really care if Williams is the 3rd voice or they hire another person to represent Williams, but I would not want a front office of Snyder and Cerrato only.I also hope that Williams will place a big emphasis on drafting and developing players. The last year or two, it looked like Gibbs was more into that. The first two years, Gibbs was all for going after veterans and trading away draft picks.

A lot of Gibbs's trading of draft picks was to recover from past losses of picks. IMO the Brunell trade was the only major screwup, personel wise.

 

[Marvelous]

I'm sure most of you guys probably saw it, but Jay Glazer just said that GW is having a 2nd interview tomorrow and the Skins will also interview Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell now that Indy is out. Is it just me or does it seem weird that they interviewed GW for 8 hours and now they're bringing him in for a 2nd interview? I mean, he's been in DC for a while now, wouldn't one think that Cerrato and Snyder have a pretty good idea of what the guy is all about?

There is a lot to negotiate to make sure everyone is on the same page. And the time to do it is during the interview process, not after the deal is done. I am hoping that Gregg Williams is going over the player acquisition process in great deal, so he know his role, Snyder's role, and Cerrato's role. He obviously can't get Snyder and Cerrato out of the process, but he has to be comfortable with how it's done and that it will result in getting players he can work with. I don't really care if Williams is the 3rd voice or they hire another person to represent Williams, but I would not want a front office of Snyder and Cerrato only.I also hope that Williams will place a big emphasis on drafting and developing players. The last year or two, it looked like Gibbs was more into that. The first two years, Gibbs was all for going after veterans and trading away draft picks.

A lot of Gibbs's trading of draft picks was to recover from past losses of picks. IMO the Brunell trade was the only major screwup, personel wise.

T.J. Duckett and Brandon Lloyd come to mind. I am actually still not convinced that Portis was worth Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round pick. I realize Champ was going to require the franchise tag, but it still seems like they gave up a lot to get Portis.

 

[thayman]

I'm sure most of you guys probably saw it, but Jay Glazer just said that GW is having a 2nd interview tomorrow and the Skins will also interview Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell now that Indy is out. Is it just me or does it seem weird that they interviewed GW for 8 hours and now they're bringing him in for a 2nd interview? I mean, he's been in DC for a while now, wouldn't one think that Cerrato and Snyder have a pretty good idea of what the guy is all about?

There is a lot to negotiate to make sure everyone is on the same page. And the time to do it is during the interview process, not after the deal is done. I am hoping that Gregg Williams is going over the player acquisition process in great deal, so he know his role, Snyder's role, and Cerrato's role. He obviously can't get Snyder and Cerrato out of the process, but he has to be comfortable with how it's done and that it will result in getting players he can work with. I don't really care if Williams is the 3rd voice or they hire another person to represent Williams, but I would not want a front office of Snyder and Cerrato only.I also hope that Williams will place a big emphasis on drafting and developing players. The last year or two, it looked like Gibbs was more into that. The first two years, Gibbs was all for going after veterans and trading away draft picks.

A lot of Gibbs's trading of draft picks was to recover from past losses of picks. IMO the Brunell trade was the only major screwup, personel wise.

T.J. Duckett and Brandon Lloyd come to mind. I am actually still not convinced that Portis was worth Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round pick. I realize Champ was going to require the franchise tag, but it still seems like they gave up a lot to get Portis.

Lloyd maybe, but at the time I thought he could be something special. TJ Duckett was bad only in hindsight. At the time Portis was hurt for who knows how long, and so was Betts. And that was a Betts that everyone thought he could barely carry the load. It was either that trade or go with Santana McClough, IIRC, as potentially our starting RB

 

[dgreen]

A quick break from Coach Talk 2008.

As a Skins fan, I was:

1. Happy for Norv. I always thought I'd curse him until he was out of the NFL, but I found myself happy for him yesterday.

2. Elated at the Cowboys loss. That was sweet. From 12-1 to 13-3 and one-and-done in the playoffs. What a nice collapse.

3. Laughing at Romo the Coward. Seriously, do you see what he does when he's about to be hit? He throws it wherever and curls up to lessen the blow. He doesn't step into it, making a good throw, and take the hit. What a wimp. I started noticing in late in the season, especially week 17 against Washington, and really watched for it against the Giants. He spent most of the 4th quarter throwing while falling backwards and turning away from the hit.

 

[Bizkiteer]

A quick break from Coach Talk 2008.As a Skins fan, I was:1. Happy for Norv. I always thought I'd curse him until he was out of the NFL, but I found myself happy for him yesterday. 2. Elated at the Cowboys loss. That was sweet. From 12-1 to 13-3 and one-and-done in the playoffs. What a nice collapse.3. Laughing at Romo the Coward. Seriously, do you see what he does when he's about to be hit? He throws it wherever and curls up to lessen the blow. He doesn't step into it, making a good throw, and take the hit. What a wimp. I started noticing in late in the season, especially week 17 against Washington, and really watched for it against the Giants. He spent most of the 4th quarter throwing while falling backwards and turning away from the hit.

To be honest, as much as I dislike the cowpukes...I wasn't happy they (the players) lost, but seeing Jerry Jones just standing there....WAS PRICELESS!!!! I loved seeing it because he had to insert himself in the game. There is nothing worng with being on the sidelines, but Jerry had to be standing right next/near the head coach like he was a part of the game. His face after was just priceless for me.

 

[DCThunder]

A quick break from Coach Talk 2008.As a Skins fan, I was:1. Happy for Norv. I always thought I'd curse him until he was out of the NFL, but I found myself happy for him yesterday. 2. Elated at the Cowboys loss. That was sweet. From 12-1 to 13-3 and one-and-done in the playoffs. What a nice collapse.3. Laughing at Romo the Coward. Seriously, do you see what he does when he's about to be hit? He throws it wherever and curls up to lessen the blow. He doesn't step into it, making a good throw, and take the hit. What a wimp. I started noticing in late in the season, especially week 17 against Washington, and really watched for it against the Giants. He spent most of the 4th quarter throwing while falling backwards and turning away from the hit.

To be honest, as much as I dislike the cowpukes...I wasn't happy they (the players) lost, but seeing Jerry Jones just standing there....WAS PRICELESS!!!! I loved seeing it because he had to insert himself in the game. There is nothing worng with being on the sidelines, but Jerry had to be standing right next/near the head coach like he was a part of the game. His face after was just priceless for me.

A caller to Czaban's Fox Sports Radio show made reference to Jerry Jones being the Joan Rivers of the NFL and I almost drove off the road with laughter. I can see him doing those Geico commercials with her. My face has seen more knives than a Benihana!

 

[Mr Capicollo]

A quick break from Coach Talk 2008.

As a Skins fan, I was:

1. Happy for Norv. I always thought I'd curse him until he was out of the NFL, but I found myself happy for him yesterday.

2. Elated at the Cowboys loss. That was sweet. From 12-1 to 13-3 and one-and-done in the playoffs. What a nice collapse.

3. Laughing at Romo the Coward. Seriously, do you see what he does when he's about to be hit? He throws it wherever and curls up to lessen the blow. He doesn't step into it, making a good throw, and take the hit. What a wimp. I started noticing in late in the season, especially week 17 against Washington, and really watched for it against the Giants. He spent most of the 4th quarter throwing while falling backwards and turning away from the hit.

To be honest, as much as I dislike the cowpukes...I wasn't happy they (the players) lost, but seeing Jerry Jones just standing there....WAS PRICELESS!!!! I loved seeing it because he had to insert himself in the game. There is nothing worng with being on the sidelines, but Jerry had to be standing right next/near the head coach like he was a part of the game. His face after was just priceless for me.

But his face is always like that.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

A quick break from Coach Talk 2008.As a Skins fan, I was:1. Happy for Norv. I always thought I'd curse him until he was out of the NFL, but I found myself happy for him yesterday. 2. Elated at the Cowboys loss. That was sweet. From 12-1 to 13-3 and one-and-done in the playoffs. What a nice collapse.3. Laughing at Romo the Coward. Seriously, do you see what he does when he's about to be hit? He throws it wherever and curls up to lessen the blow. He doesn't step into it, making a good throw, and take the hit. What a wimp. I started noticing in late in the season, especially week 17 against Washington, and really watched for it against the Giants. He spent most of the 4th quarter throwing while falling backwards and turning away from the hit.

I agree with all of this 110%

 

[buster c]

I'm sure most of you guys probably saw it, but Jay Glazer just said that GW is having a 2nd interview tomorrow and the Skins will also interview Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell now that Indy is out. Is it just me or does it seem weird that they interviewed GW for 8 hours and now they're bringing him in for a 2nd interview? I mean, he's been in DC for a while now, wouldn't one think that Cerrato and Snyder have a pretty good idea of what the guy is all about?

There is a lot to negotiate to make sure everyone is on the same page. And the time to do it is during the interview process, not after the deal is done. I am hoping that Gregg Williams is going over the player acquisition process in great deal, so he know his role, Snyder's role, and Cerrato's role. He obviously can't get Snyder and Cerrato out of the process, but he has to be comfortable with how it's done and that it will result in getting players he can work with. I don't really care if Williams is the 3rd voice or they hire another person to represent Williams, but I would not want a front office of Snyder and Cerrato only.

I also hope that Williams will place a big emphasis on drafting and developing players. The last year or two, it looked like Gibbs was more into that. The first two years, Gibbs was all for going after veterans and trading away draft picks.

but you know that is what it's coming to, right?soon, it will be the belt-buckle kid standing on the sidelines, a la his hero, Jerry PlasticFace Jones. that's going to be a deciding factor in his hiring of a new coach. whoever seems easiest for him to walk all over gets the job.

 

[fatness]

A caller to Czaban's Fox Sports Radio show made reference to Jerry Jones being the Joan Rivers of the NFL and I almost drove off the road with laughter.

Thank you for making my day.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I'm sure most of you guys probably saw it, but Jay Glazer just said that GW is having a 2nd interview tomorrow and the Skins will also interview Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell now that Indy is out. Is it just me or does it seem weird that they interviewed GW for 8 hours and now they're bringing him in for a 2nd interview? I mean, he's been in DC for a while now, wouldn't one think that Cerrato and Snyder have a pretty good idea of what the guy is all about?

There is a lot to negotiate to make sure everyone is on the same page. And the time to do it is during the interview process, not after the deal is done. I am hoping that Gregg Williams is going over the player acquisition process in great deal, so he know his role, Snyder's role, and Cerrato's role. He obviously can't get Snyder and Cerrato out of the process, but he has to be comfortable with how it's done and that it will result in getting players he can work with. I don't really care if Williams is the 3rd voice or they hire another person to represent Williams, but I would not want a front office of Snyder and Cerrato only.

I also hope that Williams will place a big emphasis on drafting and developing players. The last year or two, it looked like Gibbs was more into that. The first two years, Gibbs was all for going after veterans and trading away draft picks.

but you know that is what it's coming to, right?soon, it will be the belt-buckle kid standing on the sidelines, a la his hero, Jerry PlasticFace Jones. that's going to be a deciding factor in his hiring of a new coach. whoever seems easiest for him to walk all over gets the job.

 

[dgreen]

soon, it will be the belt-buckle kid standing on the sidelines, a la his hero, Jerry PlasticFace Jones. that's going to be a deciding factor in his hiring of a new coach. whoever seems easiest for him to walk all over gets the job.

Do you really believe this?

 

[DCThunder]

soon, it will be the belt-buckle kid standing on the sidelines, a la his hero, Jerry PlasticFace Jones. that's going to be a deciding factor in his hiring of a new coach. whoever seems easiest for him to walk all over gets the job.

Do you really believe this?

buster c is channeling Andy Polli and Czaban on WTEM in the afternoon. That's exactly how they would characterize the hiring process, including using the "blet-buckle kid" phrase.

 

[dgreen]

soon, it will be the belt-buckle kid standing on the sidelines, a la his hero, Jerry PlasticFace Jones. that's going to be a deciding factor in his hiring of a new coach. whoever seems easiest for him to walk all over gets the job.

Do you really believe this?

buster c is channeling Andy Polli and Czaban on WTEM in the afternoon. That's exactly how they would characterize the hiring process, including using the "blet-buckle kid" phrase.

Right and it completely contradicts their other theory of "Snyder will only hire a big name guy." You can't bring in a Cowher AND have Snyder control things.I thought it would be Williams from day 1 and I've seen absolutely nothing to sway me. I think Snyder is likely talking to Williams about what he'd do with the offense (Saunders stays or goes), who he'd hire/promote, what players he'd like to keep and let go, and his overall philosophy for the organization going forward. Snyder's not looking for someone to control, he's looking for someone who agrees with the philosophy he and Gibbs put together for the future.

 

[Texasmouth]

Sorry to chime in on my hated rivals thread but I think Greg Williams should get this job. Had Gibbs not been the coach this year, the Redskins might have won the division.

Im just saying.....

 

[Marvelous]

I'm sure most of you guys probably saw it, but Jay Glazer just said that GW is having a 2nd interview tomorrow and the Skins will also interview Ron Meeks and Jim Caldwell now that Indy is out. Is it just me or does it seem weird that they interviewed GW for 8 hours and now they're bringing him in for a 2nd interview? I mean, he's been in DC for a while now, wouldn't one think that Cerrato and Snyder have a pretty good idea of what the guy is all about?

There is a lot to negotiate to make sure everyone is on the same page. And the time to do it is during the interview process, not after the deal is done. I am hoping that Gregg Williams is going over the player acquisition process in great deal, so he know his role, Snyder's role, and Cerrato's role. He obviously can't get Snyder and Cerrato out of the process, but he has to be comfortable with how it's done and that it will result in getting players he can work with. I don't really care if Williams is the 3rd voice or they hire another person to represent Williams, but I would not want a front office of Snyder and Cerrato only.

I also hope that Williams will place a big emphasis on drafting and developing players. The last year or two, it looked like Gibbs was more into that. The first two years, Gibbs was all for going after veterans and trading away draft picks.

but you know that is what it's coming to, right?soon, it will be the belt-buckle kid standing on the sidelines, a la his hero, Jerry PlasticFace Jones. that's going to be a deciding factor in his hiring of a new coach. whoever seems easiest for him to walk all over gets the job.

Actually no, not really.Snyder likes the model where Gibbs had a lot of input in the player acquistions. Snyder has also said repeatedly that he does not scout players. Snyder also wanted Spurrier to have lots of input in the scouting, but Spurrier did not want it. Of course, then the front office cut Wuerfel and Kenny Watson against Spurrier's wishes and he was livid (which I think was the beginning of the end of Spurrier).

My concern is that no one else can have a much say in player personel as Gibbs did. For instance, when the Viking were shopping Randy Moss, lots of specualtion started that Snyder would go after Moss. Gibbs came out and said he didn't think Moss would be a good Redskin. And that ended any pursuit or even rumors of the Redskins going after Moss. I just hope that the new coach has as much clout to go up against the tag team of Snyder and Cerrato.

 

[DCThunder]

soon, it will be the belt-buckle kid standing on the sidelines, a la his hero, Jerry PlasticFace Jones. that's going to be a deciding factor in his hiring of a new coach. whoever seems easiest for him to walk all over gets the job.

Do you really believe this?

buster c is channeling Andy Polli and Czaban on WTEM in the afternoon. That's exactly how they would characterize the hiring process, including using the "blet-buckle kid" phrase.

Right and it completely contradicts their other theory of "Snyder will only hire a big name guy." You can't bring in a Cowher AND have Snyder control things.I thought it would be Williams from day 1 and I've seen absolutely nothing to sway me. I think Snyder is likely talking to Williams about what he'd do with the offense (Saunders stays or goes), who he'd hire/promote, what players he'd like to keep and let go, and his overall philosophy for the organization going forward. Snyder's not looking for someone to control, he's looking for someone who agrees with the philosophy he and Gibbs put together for the future.

It doesn't totally contradict their theory because the corrallary to that is that everybody just comes to DC JUST to get paid the exorbitant amounts that Snyder throws around. Cowher would come and give Danny access because no where else would he get $12M/season.

 

[dgreen]

soon, it will be the belt-buckle kid standing on the sidelines, a la his hero, Jerry PlasticFace Jones. that's going to be a deciding factor in his hiring of a new coach. whoever seems easiest for him to walk all over gets the job.

Do you really believe this?

buster c is channeling Andy Polli and Czaban on WTEM in the afternoon. That's exactly how they would characterize the hiring process, including using the "blet-buckle kid" phrase.

Right and it completely contradicts their other theory of "Snyder will only hire a big name guy." You can't bring in a Cowher AND have Snyder control things.I thought it would be Williams from day 1 and I've seen absolutely nothing to sway me. I think Snyder is likely talking to Williams about what he'd do with the offense (Saunders stays or goes), who he'd hire/promote, what players he'd like to keep and let go, and his overall philosophy for the organization going forward. Snyder's not looking for someone to control, he's looking for someone who agrees with the philosophy he and Gibbs put together for the future.

It doesn't totally contradict their theory because the corrallary to that is that everybody just comes to DC JUST to get paid the exorbitant amounts that Snyder throws around. Cowher would come and give Danny access because no where else would he get $12M/season.

I don't think a coach of that stature would go somewhere "just to get paid."

 

[DCThunder]

soon, it will be the belt-buckle kid standing on the sidelines, a la his hero, Jerry PlasticFace Jones. that's going to be a deciding factor in his hiring of a new coach. whoever seems easiest for him to walk all over gets the job.

Do you really believe this?

buster c is channeling Andy Polli and Czaban on WTEM in the afternoon. That's exactly how they would characterize the hiring process, including using the "blet-buckle kid" phrase.

Right and it completely contradicts their other theory of "Snyder will only hire a big name guy." You can't bring in a Cowher AND have Snyder control things.I thought it would be Williams from day 1 and I've seen absolutely nothing to sway me. I think Snyder is likely talking to Williams about what he'd do with the offense (Saunders stays or goes), who he'd hire/promote, what players he'd like to keep and let go, and his overall philosophy for the organization going forward. Snyder's not looking for someone to control, he's looking for someone who agrees with the philosophy he and Gibbs put together for the future.

It doesn't totally contradict their theory because the corrallary to that is that everybody just comes to DC JUST to get paid the exorbitant amounts that Snyder throws around. Cowher would come and give Danny access because no where else would he get $12M/season.

I don't think a coach of that stature would go somewhere "just to get paid."

Ahh, but you aren't Andy Polli or Steve Czaban...