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****OFFICIAL**** 2008 Washington Redskins Off Season Thread! (1 Viewer)

Meanwhile, the press everywhere is ripping Snyder. Frankly he deserves it for this fiasco of a hiring process.

Hog Heaven

When Daniel Snyder looks in the mirror, he should see the reflection of the Oakland Raiders’ Al Davis. Davis plucked Lane Kiffin from the college ranks and made him Raiders’ head coach last season. Kiffin was the offensive coordinator of the USC Trojans, but had never been head coach anywhere before the Raiders. The Raiders need Davis to be heavily involved.

Snyder took a month to find a replacement for Joe Gibbs, finally offering the job to newly hired offensive coordinator Jim Zorn, who has yet to put together a game plan. Like Kiffin, Zorn has never been a NFL coordinator or head coach. Planned or not, Snyder is following an oft used Davis tact — pluck a young up-and-comer to coach. In Zorn, Snyder picked a man who needs Snyder’s active involvement..........

......Sally Jenkins called it Snyder’s tycoon mentality in her February 7, 2008, column bashing the man. Snyder, she says, doesn’t want to win so much as he wants to run things.
CBS Sportsline
The problem is Snyder thinks he knows football just because he collected football cards years ago and wore Redskins colors to school. But he doesn't. Instead of hiring quality football people and letting them do their jobs, he's way too involved..............

.......it's clear that Snyder went for a coach who would listen to him. He picked Zorn. That's after several others backed away, including New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who was told by confidants around the league to pass. Why did Spags and others pass? They didn't want to inherit two coordinators, Zorn on offense and Greg Blache on defense, already hired by Snyder.
And Jim Fassell finally talked. Clark Judge article

im Fassel deserved better than what he got from the Washington Redskins. And what he got was the shaft. "This is a shock to me," he said after the team hired Jim Zorn as head coach. ..............

........ "At the end of the day," said Fassel, "Dan wanted to make a big splash, and I think he was worried about the Baltimore thing. He worried about the public relations (fallout), and he didn't know which way to go. "I heard someone say there are no more George Youngs or Jim Finks in this league, people who really know the game. And I think that happened here. I don't think Dan surrounded himself with enough football people." .........

......when he was asked to list his top three candidates for offensive and defensive coordinators, Zorn was his first choice on offense and Greg Blache his runner-up to Rex Ryan on defense. "If the Giants had lost to Dallas (in the playoffs)," he said, "I think this would've been over a week ago, and I would've been the head coach." But while the Redskins waited on Spagnuolo, Fassel believes, they convinced themselves to go in another direction. And the more they talked to Zorn, he thinks, the more they started to believe he was the better choice. ........

........"Someone said to me that Jim Zorn has three jobs he hasn't done now," Fassel said. "He's a head coach, and he's never done it. He's an offensive coordinator, and he's never done it. And he's calling the plays, and he's never done it."
Fassel was on the John Riggins show. I listened to it online b/c I knew he was coming on. Not sure if anyone from the DC area heard it or not, but he sounded anything but bitter. He basically said that he had no hard feelings. He mentioned that he has a lot of friends in DC and wishes them well. Also had praise specifically for Snyder saying he was a great guy who really wants to win. He didn't think the reason he was passed over was b/c of the fans reaction. He also added that he definately thought he was the front runner and that if the Giants lost earlier in the playoffs, he would be the head coach. He said the last time he had contact with the Redskins was Friday, he "text messaged with Vinny". And then of course he got a call Saturday saying they were going in another direction. That pretty much sums it up. He sure sounded upbeat, but he also made it known that he expected to be hired at least at one point. Overall, I still believe he is pissed deep down, but he said all the things he needed to say if he would expect another team to hire him in the future.
 
Meanwhile, the press everywhere is ripping Snyder. Frankly he deserves it for this fiasco of a hiring process.

Hog Heaven

When Daniel Snyder looks in the mirror, he should see the reflection of the Oakland Raiders’ Al Davis. Davis plucked Lane Kiffin from the college ranks and made him Raiders’ head coach last season. Kiffin was the offensive coordinator of the USC Trojans, but had never been head coach anywhere before the Raiders. The Raiders need Davis to be heavily involved.

Snyder took a month to find a replacement for Joe Gibbs, finally offering the job to newly hired offensive coordinator Jim Zorn, who has yet to put together a game plan. Like Kiffin, Zorn has never been a NFL coordinator or head coach. Planned or not, Snyder is following an oft used Davis tact — pluck a young up-and-comer to coach. In Zorn, Snyder picked a man who needs Snyder’s active involvement..........

......Sally Jenkins called it Snyder’s tycoon mentality in her February 7, 2008, column bashing the man. Snyder, she says, doesn’t want to win so much as he wants to run things.
CBS Sportsline
The problem is Snyder thinks he knows football just because he collected football cards years ago and wore Redskins colors to school. But he doesn't. Instead of hiring quality football people and letting them do their jobs, he's way too involved..............

.......it's clear that Snyder went for a coach who would listen to him. He picked Zorn. That's after several others backed away, including New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who was told by confidants around the league to pass. Why did Spags and others pass? They didn't want to inherit two coordinators, Zorn on offense and Greg Blache on defense, already hired by Snyder.
And Jim Fassell finally talked. Clark Judge article

im Fassel deserved better than what he got from the Washington Redskins. And what he got was the shaft. "This is a shock to me," he said after the team hired Jim Zorn as head coach. ..............

........ "At the end of the day," said Fassel, "Dan wanted to make a big splash, and I think he was worried about the Baltimore thing. He worried about the public relations (fallout), and he didn't know which way to go. "I heard someone say there are no more George Youngs or Jim Finks in this league, people who really know the game. And I think that happened here. I don't think Dan surrounded himself with enough football people." .........

......when he was asked to list his top three candidates for offensive and defensive coordinators, Zorn was his first choice on offense and Greg Blache his runner-up to Rex Ryan on defense. "If the Giants had lost to Dallas (in the playoffs)," he said, "I think this would've been over a week ago, and I would've been the head coach." But while the Redskins waited on Spagnuolo, Fassel believes, they convinced themselves to go in another direction. And the more they talked to Zorn, he thinks, the more they started to believe he was the better choice. ........

........"Someone said to me that Jim Zorn has three jobs he hasn't done now," Fassel said. "He's a head coach, and he's never done it. He's an offensive coordinator, and he's never done it. And he's calling the plays, and he's never done it."
Fassel was on the John Riggins show. I listened to it online b/c I knew he was coming on. Not sure if anyone from the DC area heard it or not, but he sounded anything but bitter. He basically said that he had no hard feelings. He mentioned that he has a lot of friends in DC and wishes them well. Also had praise specifically for Snyder saying he was a great guy who really wants to win. He didn't think the reason he was passed over was b/c of the fans reaction. He also added that he definately thought he was the front runner and that if the Giants lost earlier in the playoffs, he would be the head coach. He said the last time he had contact with the Redskins was Friday, he "text messaged with Vinny". And then of course he got a call Saturday saying they were going in another direction. That pretty much sums it up. He sure sounded upbeat, but he also made it known that he expected to be hired at least at one point. Overall, I still believe he is pissed deep down, but he said all the things he needed to say if he would expect another team to hire him in the future.
:lmao: :lmao: text messages, sleepovers I wonder how many Pajamagrams Vinny and Dan are sending out this year.

 
redman said:
And finally, man alive are some of you guys OLD! :lmao:
If you're a fortunate man, you will be too some day. :) The longer you live, the more you get laid. And the more Skins games you get to watch.
Exactly when does this start? I ask because I'm concerned that I'm trending the opposite direction. Have I found the fountain of youth? :lmao:

 
Exactly when does this start? I ask because I'm concerned that I'm trending the opposite direction. Have I found the fountain of youth? :thumbup:
Wear her down, it'll work. It's a lot like having a good running game. By the 3rd quarter the opposing defense just wants to quit.
 
Here we go. Read the whole article, it's very long and covers the front office thinking on all positions on the team.

Numerous league sources, including some with direct knowledge of conversations between Snyder, Cerrato and recent head coaching candidates, have affirmed that the Redskins have interest in trading for Cincinnati wide receiver Chad Johnson, with two league sources saying Johnson is eager to land a hefty new contract from Washington. Acquiring an elite receiver is Snyder's top priority, league sources said. The Bengals have said they have no intention of trading Johnson, but his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, is working quietly to broker a deal, the sources said.
New England is likely to put a franchise tag on Randy Moss, retaining his rights, while less-stellar wide receivers such as Jerry Porter (Oakland) and Javon Walker (Denver) could be possibilities. Johnson, however, would be Snyder's ideal acquisition, according to multiple sources. "He made it very clear that was his top choice," one coaching candidate said.

Brandon Lloyd is almost certain to be released, according to sources who have talked to Snyder and Cerrato. Veteran Keenan McCardell is also unlikely to be back. James Thrash, a special teams standout for Gibbs, might not return, and concerns over chronic knee problems could mean that reserve Reche Caldwell also will not be re-signed.

Veterans Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El need to overcome injuries that plagued them last season. Team sources said Snyder is considering expanding his training rehab staff to help limit and cope with the number of hamstring issues, which were prevalent on the team in 2007.
Snyder and Cerrato raved about Clinton Portis during interviews with head coaching prospects, sources said. Another renegotiation of his contract is likely. While Gibbs sometimes referred to Portis and Ladell Betts as "interchangeable," sources said that Snyder and Cerrato spoke of Betts solely as a backup. Team sources said they expect Betts to resume kick returning duties in 2008. Free agent Rock Cartwright is expected to depart.

Fullback Mike Sellers and tight end Chris Cooley will have significant roles in the West Coast offense under Zorn.
Several coaching candidates were troubled by the repeated injuries to starting right tackle Jon Jansen, who broke his leg in the first week of last season. However, the Redskins gave Jansen a contract extension a year ago and Snyder told coaches it's not feasible to release him because of the salary cap ramifications.

There are injury concerns with veteran guards Pete Kendall (arthritic knees) and Randy Thomas (who suffered another season-ending injury last year). League sources said a priority is acquiring, perhaps through the draft, a young center/guard to stabilize the interior of the line.
 
LOL, here's this year's first "I don't see how the Skins can sign any free agents because they are way over the cap" thread: Link

Like robins every springtime.

 
Here we go. Read the whole article, it's very long and covers the front office thinking on all positions on the team.

Numerous league sources, including some with direct knowledge of conversations between Snyder, Cerrato and recent head coaching candidates, have affirmed that the Redskins have interest in trading for Cincinnati wide receiver Chad Johnson, with two league sources saying Johnson is eager to land a hefty new contract from Washington. Acquiring an elite receiver is Snyder's top priority, league sources said. The Bengals have said they have no intention of trading Johnson, but his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, is working quietly to broker a deal, the sources said.
New England is likely to put a franchise tag on Randy Moss, retaining his rights, while less-stellar wide receivers such as Jerry Porter (Oakland) and Javon Walker (Denver) could be possibilities. Johnson, however, would be Snyder's ideal acquisition, according to multiple sources. "He made it very clear that was his top choice," one coaching candidate said.

Brandon Lloyd is almost certain to be released, according to sources who have talked to Snyder and Cerrato. Veteran Keenan McCardell is also unlikely to be back. James Thrash, a special teams standout for Gibbs, might not return, and concerns over chronic knee problems could mean that reserve Reche Caldwell also will not be re-signed.

Veterans Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El need to overcome injuries that plagued them last season. Team sources said Snyder is considering expanding his training rehab staff to help limit and cope with the number of hamstring issues, which were prevalent on the team in 2007.
Snyder and Cerrato raved about Clinton Portis during interviews with head coaching prospects, sources said. Another renegotiation of his contract is likely. While Gibbs sometimes referred to Portis and Ladell Betts as "interchangeable," sources said that Snyder and Cerrato spoke of Betts solely as a backup. Team sources said they expect Betts to resume kick returning duties in 2008. Free agent Rock Cartwright is expected to depart.

Fullback Mike Sellers and tight end Chris Cooley will have significant roles in the West Coast offense under Zorn.
Several coaching candidates were troubled by the repeated injuries to starting right tackle Jon Jansen, who broke his leg in the first week of last season. However, the Redskins gave Jansen a contract extension a year ago and Snyder told coaches it's not feasible to release him because of the salary cap ramifications.

There are injury concerns with veteran guards Pete Kendall (arthritic knees) and Randy Thomas (who suffered another season-ending injury last year). League sources said a priority is acquiring, perhaps through the draft, a young center/guard to stabilize the interior of the line.
If I read the article correctly, everybody on the Redskins is injured and they need to go out and sign a bunch of new players. Injuries were noted to just about every WR and OL.
 
I was thinking over the Redskin's moves so far and here is my take.

The most important move they have made is the promotion of Vinny Cerrato. Everyone wanted Snyder to hire a GM. Well, Cerrato is now essentially the Redskin's GM.

Therefore, the biggest factor that will determine how sucessful the Redskins are is how effective of a GM Vinny Cerrato will be. He (along with Snyder, whatever their working relationship is) need to sign the right free agents and have productive drafts. Any idiot can say Chad Johnson and Randy Moss are the best WR available and give up lots of draft picks and money to get them. But you can't have superstars at every position. It takes skill and football knowledge to find players to develop and modestly priced free agents to get your team over the hump. That is what I want to see from the Redskis front office.

Thus, if Snyder and Cerrato have learned and grown under Gibbs, they will hopefully find the modest free agents that can hlep build the team for the long haul. And I will think they have failed if they trade multiple draft picks to get Chad Johnson or Randy Moss. Or they sign Lance Briggs to a monster contract.

Cerrato's performance over this offseason and the years to come will have a huge bearing on the Redskin's success or failure. And if he fails, it doesn't really matter who they hire as head coach.

 
Here we go. Read the whole article, it's very long and covers the front office thinking on all positions on the team.

New England is likely to put a franchise tag on Randy Moss, retaining his rights, while less-stellar wide receivers such as Jerry Porter (Oakland) and Javon Walker (Denver) could be possibilities. Johnson, however, would be Snyder's ideal acquisition, according to multiple sources. "He made it very clear that was his top choice," one coaching candidate said.

Brandon Lloyd is almost certain to be released, according to sources who have talked to Snyder and Cerrato. Veteran Keenan McCardell is also unlikely to be back. James Thrash, a special teams standout for Gibbs, might not return, and concerns over chronic knee problems could mean that reserve Reche Caldwell also will not be re-signed.

Veterans Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El need to overcome injuries that plagued them last season. Team sources said Snyder is considering expanding his training rehab staff to help limit and cope with the number of hamstring issues, which were prevalent on the team in 2007.
paper thin along both linestoo much money already tied up at WR

and fanboy calling the shots like a 12 year old 1st time FFLer

sure, Chad is a very good receiver, but 100% chance he will not be worth what they pay in $ and picks

 
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I was thinking over the Redskin's moves so far and here is my take.The most important move they have made is the promotion of Vinny Cerrato. Everyone wanted Snyder to hire a GM. Well, Cerrato is now essentially the Redskin's GM.Therefore, the biggest factor that will determine how sucessful the Redskins are is how effective of a GM Vinny Cerrato will be. He (along with Snyder, whatever their working relationship is) need to sign the right free agents and have productive drafts. Any idiot can say Chad Johnson and Randy Moss are the best WR available and give up lots of draft picks and money to get them. But you can't have superstars at every position. It takes skill and football knowledge to find players to develop and modestly priced free agents to get your team over the hump. That is what I want to see from the Redskis front office.Thus, if Snyder and Cerrato have learned and grown under Gibbs, they will hopefully find the modest free agents that can hlep build the team for the long haul. And I will think they have failed if they trade multiple draft picks to get Chad Johnson or Randy Moss. Or they sign Lance Briggs to a monster contract. Cerrato's performance over this offseason and the years to come will have a huge bearing on the Redskin's success or failure. And if he fails, it doesn't really matter who they hire as head coach.
Yeah, IMHO the monkey is squarely on the back of Vinny. It's "make good, or make room" time for him. Since Snyder owns the team, he ain't going anywhere and at some point or other, if Vinny fails, he's gonna have to take the fall.
 
Fassel was on the John Riggins show. I listened to it online b/c I knew he was coming on. Not sure if anyone from the DC area heard it or not, but he sounded anything but bitter. He basically said that he had no hard feelings. He mentioned that he has a lot of friends in DC and wishes them well. Also had praise specifically for Snyder saying he was a great guy who really wants to win. He didn't think the reason he was passed over was b/c of the fans reaction. He also added that he definately thought he was the front runner and that if the Giants lost earlier in the playoffs, he would be the head coach. He said the last time he had contact with the Redskins was Friday, he "text messaged with Vinny". And then of course he got a call Saturday saying they were going in another direction. That pretty much sums it up. He sure sounded upbeat, but he also made it known that he expected to be hired at least at one point. Overall, I still believe he is pissed deep down, but he said all the things he needed to say if he would expect another team to hire him in the future.
I heard the interview, too. He came off very well and had me briefly thinking, "Maybe he should be the coach." The best part of the interview was about his new cell phone. Fassel said he was getting so many calls and texts during The Process from media and his phone died. He went to the store to get a new phone and the sales guy noticed him. The sales guy showed Fassel a phone and said, "And it comes in burgundy." Fassel bought it in burgundy. :lmao: :angry: :lmao:
 
Fassel was on the John Riggins show. I listened to it online b/c I knew he was coming on. Not sure if anyone from the DC area heard it or not, but he sounded anything but bitter. He basically said that he had no hard feelings. He mentioned that he has a lot of friends in DC and wishes them well. Also had praise specifically for Snyder saying he was a great guy who really wants to win. He didn't think the reason he was passed over was b/c of the fans reaction. He also added that he definately thought he was the front runner and that if the Giants lost earlier in the playoffs, he would be the head coach. He said the last time he had contact with the Redskins was Friday, he "text messaged with Vinny". And then of course he got a call Saturday saying they were going in another direction. That pretty much sums it up. He sure sounded upbeat, but he also made it known that he expected to be hired at least at one point. Overall, I still believe he is pissed deep down, but he said all the things he needed to say if he would expect another team to hire him in the future.
I heard the interview, too. He came off very well and had me briefly thinking, "Maybe he should be the coach." The best part of the interview was about his new cell phone. Fassel said he was getting so many calls and texts during The Process from media and his phone died. He went to the store to get a new phone and the sales guy noticed him. The sales guy showed Fassel a phone and said, "And it comes in burgundy." Fassel bought it in burgundy. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Jeez, what kind of phone breaks down because of a heavy two weeks of texting and talking? :o I'd never hire a coach with such poor judgment in phones! :lmao:

That maroon burgundy phone story is hilarious! :lol: (How long will it be before Zorn lives down the "maroon and black" comment? I think that one sticks forever, succeed or fail.)

 
Fassel was on the John Riggins show. I listened to it online b/c I knew he was coming on. Not sure if anyone from the DC area heard it or not, but he sounded anything but bitter. He basically said that he had no hard feelings. He mentioned that he has a lot of friends in DC and wishes them well. Also had praise specifically for Snyder saying he was a great guy who really wants to win. He didn't think the reason he was passed over was b/c of the fans reaction. He also added that he definately thought he was the front runner and that if the Giants lost earlier in the playoffs, he would be the head coach. He said the last time he had contact with the Redskins was Friday, he "text messaged with Vinny". And then of course he got a call Saturday saying they were going in another direction. That pretty much sums it up. He sure sounded upbeat, but he also made it known that he expected to be hired at least at one point. Overall, I still believe he is pissed deep down, but he said all the things he needed to say if he would expect another team to hire him in the future.
I heard the interview, too. He came off very well and had me briefly thinking, "Maybe he should be the coach." The best part of the interview was about his new cell phone. Fassel said he was getting so many calls and texts during The Process from media and his phone died. He went to the store to get a new phone and the sales guy noticed him. The sales guy showed Fassel a phone and said, "And it comes in burgundy." Fassel bought it in burgundy. :excited: :lmao: :lmao:
Funny. I wonder if Fassel is trying to exchange his phone now.I did not get too excited about Fassel, but his was a lower risk candidate who could work out. Like I said earlier, my biggest concern is Cerrato running the front office.
 
I'm more concerned about the compensation we'd trade away for CJ than anything else. I just think there's too much WR talent on the open FA market to do this. We have other needs we should address with these picks.

 
Chad will be great on Dan's fantasy team, the Burgundy and Black.

I feel this quote from Jim Fassel bears repeating, over and over:

"I heard someone say there are no more George Youngs or Jim Finks in this league, people who really know the game. And I think that happened here. I don't think Dan surrounded himself with enough football people."

 
Most of the needs on defense -- particularly on the line -- will likely be addressed in the draft, which is what newly promoted defensive coordinator Greg Blache is pushing for, team sources said.
Several coaching candidates were troubled by the repeated injuries to starting right tackle Jon Jansen, who broke his leg in the first week of last season. However, the Redskins gave Jansen a contract extension a year ago and Snyder told coaches it's not feasible to release him because of the salary cap ramifications. There are injury concerns with veteran guards Pete Kendall (arthritic knees) and Randy Thomas (who suffered another season-ending injury last year). League sources said a priority is acquiring, perhaps through the draft, a young center-guard to stabilize the interior of the line.

Veteran Mike Pucillo filled the role the past two seasons but has a serious back condition, sources said, making it less likely he will be re-signed. Team sources said they expect Lorenzo Alexander -- who shined on the offensive and defensive lines last season -- to join the offense full time. One coach said he believes Alexander is nimble and athletic enough to become the team's best pulling lineman. Offensive line coach Joe Bugel has expressed some concern about Alexander's modest wingspan, team sources said, but he showed considerable promise last season and could help solidify the line. With rookie Stephon Heyer showing promise as well last season, injury-prone backup tackle Todd Wade could be jettisoned.
Defensive Line

This is the primary area of concern on the defense, with Blache, a longtime line coach, adamant about adding depth. He aims to retain Griffin and veteran end Phillip Daniels, who team sources said may play more at tackle and is willing to rework his contract. But Blache's first priority it to groom a quicker, faster and more versatile tackle (referred to as a 'three' technique). Blache is also looking for a pass-rushing end who can line up opposite Andre Carter.

Younger players Anthony Montgomery and Kedric Golston developed in 2007, but age is a concern at some spots on the line. Blache will be pushing second-year speed rusher Chris Wilson to become a more well-rounded lineman, team sources said.
 
Chad will be great on Dan's fantasy team, the Burgundy and Black. I feel this quote from Jim Fassel bears repeating, over and over:"I heard someone say there are no more George Youngs or Jim Finks in this league, people who really know the game. And I think that happened here. I don't think Dan surrounded himself with enough football people."
A slam on Vinny. I guess Fassel believes Vinny won't be around by the next hiring cycle.And get the colors right. It's maroon and black.
 
I don't think Chad is worth a 1st in any capacity, but since our 'skins are involved, they'll probably get it.
Well, not that I should doubt that they'll overpay, but a 1st would be moronic.
I am guessing a 1st and 3rd for Chad Johnson. Compare that to a 4th rounder for Randy Moss and you can see the difference in the front offices.FYI, if you trade for a stud WR, I think Roy Williams should be the target, not Chad Johnson. But who really knows if he is available.Like I said earlier, the true test for a front office is to find the hidden gems that will fit into the offense at a reasonable price. Is DJ Hackett a free agent? Seems like he could be a good fit and he has a history with Zorn.
 
Forgot who, but someone (anchor) on Sirius radio said that they'd give 1st rounder (20th spot or lower) or high 2nd for Chad in a heartbeat. They stated that there are only a few difference makers in the game and Chad Johnson was one of them. They said you can get by with servicable guys, but in crunch time...EVERYONE wants a Chad Johnson or Randy Moss.

 
I like and pretty much agree with this take on the Zorn hire by Rich Tandler:

« Video of Green TDParalysis by analysis

I’ve been suffering from paralysis by analysis for the past 48 hours. Every since the hiring of Jim Zorn, I’ve been bookmarking articles about the hire and about the process, ready to pick them apart and point out the biases, the illogical and untrue statements, and the hypocrisy present in so many of them. But as soon as I found one that was good fodder, I’d find another one that was even dumber.

So, first I’m going to go into a little more detail about my opinion of the hiring and then, over the coming days when I’ve gathered enough of the good, the bad, and the Adam Schein take on the Zorn hiring and do a few prize pull quotes from them with a reasoned response.

While it was surprising, I like the hire. It was absolutely nothing like what everyone said a Dan Snyder hire would be. He was a small name, an outside-the-box idea, a tiny splash in the pool. It’s as though Zorn was hired by the Bizarro Snyder, at least according to his media image.

As far as the hiring process, I’m just glad it’s over. I don’t buy for a second that he was brought in as OC with the notion that he was a candidate for the head job. Snyder and Cerrato were suffering from their own case of paralysis by analysis and it occurred to the latter that the solution to their dilemma was the guy that was settling into the office down the hall from the one that used to belong to Joe Gibbs. If you’re obsessed with process, as many in Washington tend to be and as many writers tend to be, the search was a black mark. If you’re interested in results, all’s well that ends well.

I like Zorn, from what I’ve read about him and what I’ve heard from him. Speaking of outside the box, that defines his thinking. Whether it’s having his QB’s play dodge ball or romp on a Slip ‘n’ Slide (see video embedded below) or riding his bicycle to work, he thinks about thinks and does things just a little bit differently than the rest of us. It’s not necessarily a case of different is better (more on that later), but the change from the cookie-cutter approach is refreshing.

Zorn’s introductory presser yesterday was not a virtuoso performance by a polished performer by any stretch of the imagination. He sounded nervous and he committed a few gaffes like the maroon and black reference, which was especially embarrassing because he volunteered the incorrect information. He’ll be consulting with a PR firm before the media blizzard starts in the summer.

We don’t know whether or not Zorn will be successful as a head coach. Many, of course, have buried him as one of the worst hires in years. I don’t think that he will be, but there’s no way of knowing for sure. Of course, it’s the fact that we don’t know that makes the two thumbs down reviews so utterly void of credibility.

His success, or lack thereof, will not be determined by his lack of experience as a coordinator. I’ll take that back partially; it may hurt him this coming season. Plenty of coaches have been successful with limited or no experience as an NFL coordinator, Andy Reid (zero seasons), Tom Coughlin (zero seasons) and Mike Tomlin (one season). On the other hand, many star coordinators have flopped as NFL head coaches (look no further than Turner, Norv and Petitbon, Richie). It may take a year for him to get down the mechanics of things, but, ultimately, he either has “it” or he doesn’t.
 
Bizkiteer said:
Forgot who, but someone (anchor) on Sirius radio said that they'd give 1st rounder (20th spot or lower) or high 2nd for Chad in a heartbeat. They stated that there are only a few difference makers in the game and Chad Johnson was one of them. They said you can get by with servicable guys, but in crunch time...EVERYONE wants a Chad Johnson or Randy Moss.
Was that just their guess at what the Skins would trade or based on a source?
 
Bizkiteer said:
Forgot who, but someone (anchor) on Sirius radio said that they'd give 1st rounder (20th spot or lower) or high 2nd for Chad in a heartbeat. They stated that there are only a few difference makers in the game and Chad Johnson was one of them. They said you can get by with servicable guys, but in crunch time...EVERYONE wants a Chad Johnson or Randy Moss.
Was that just their guess at what the Skins would trade or based on a source?
They mentioned it not specific to 'Skins, but value in regards to what Chad is worth at this point.
 
redman said:
I like and pretty much agree with this take on the Zorn hire by Rich Tandler:
Yeah, I kind of like the hire, too. But you can see already where they're going to be weak this year ---- in actual playcalling and other game situations. The shortage of experience will hurt them at times. I'm assuming they'll hire Sherman Smith as OC, which will leave a HC and both coordinators with no experience at their respective jobs.
 
redman said:
I like and pretty much agree with this take on the Zorn hire by Rich Tandler:
Yeah, I kind of like the hire, too. But you can see already where they're going to be weak this year ---- in actual playcalling and other game situations. The shortage of experience will hurt them at times. I'm assuming they'll hire Sherman Smith as OC, which will leave a HC and both coordinators with no experience at their respective jobs.
But as I said upthread, Joe Bugel has HC experience and could be leaned on for both pre-game and in-game advice and counsel. And the other coaches around the league don't have a book on Zorn yet either, so they don't know his tendencies on downs and distances. They don't know that he's always going to call and off tackle play on 3rd and goal from the 2 with :45 seconds left on the clock, down by 4. Face it, there was a book 4 inches thick on Gibbs and his tendencies. That won't be the case now.
 
fatness said:
Younger players Anthony Montgomery and Kedric Golston developed in 2007, but age is a concern at some spots on the line. Blache will be pushing second-year speed rusher Chris Wilson to become a more well-rounded lineman, team sources said.
If Blache is primarily responsible for the progress of Montgomery and Golston, I can't wait to see what he does w/ Chris Wilson. I think Wilson showed a lot of talent in his spot duty, and if he can become an every down lineman I think that bodes well in that the 'Skins will be freed up to do other things in free agency.
 
fatness said:
Younger players Anthony Montgomery and Kedric Golston developed in 2007, but age is a concern at some spots on the line. Blache will be pushing second-year speed rusher Chris Wilson to become a more well-rounded lineman, team sources said.
If Blache is primarily responsible for the progress of Montgomery and Golston, I can't wait to see what he does w/ Chris Wilson. I think Wilson showed a lot of talent in his spot duty, and if he can become an every down lineman I think that bodes well in that the 'Skins will be freed up to do other things in free agency.
Spanuolo's 4 DE lineup could spread across the league in certain down and distance situations. While the Skins current personnel are far from the Giants, Blache could throw Carter, Wilson, Daniels, and some FA/drafted DE on the field at one time.
 
From what I understand, Blache is more conservative than Gregg and he'll do a lot less blitzing. Can't say I'm too excited about that.

As far as Zorn goes, I'm not too worried about him being inexperienced at playcalling. I'm far more concerned about his ability to manage the team and to get them to execute the plays properly. If he can control the team and lead them in that aspect, he should be fine.

I'm really excited to see the audience and to see exactly how handcuffed they were under Gibbs's playcalling.

 
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And get the colors right. It's maroon and black.

Sorry. Thanks for the correction! Maroon and black! Worse than I thought. Jeez.

Here's a new possible fight song:

Fail to the Blueskins,

Fail, Mr. Z,

Over-priced free agents,

Blight on old KC!

 
Once again the Redskins have become the most interesting team of the offseason. Fans of other teams, sad that their team does not have much of an offseason thread, come to this one instead to see what real fans are like.

 
For some serious criticism of Snyder, Cerrato, and Gibbs, read Leonard Shapiro's column.

And what must Williams be thinking about Joe Gibbs right about now? Gibbs made him his very first hire four years ago, handed him one side of the ball and watched the Redskins turn into a top-10 defense three of the four years Williams ran one of the more creatively aggressive defenses in the league. More significant, his players virtually to a man desperately wanted him back, some saying so very publicly, and judging from the reaction when he left, so did the team's legion of fans.

And what was the payback for Williams? Gibbs seemingly abandoned him as well, never offering even a lukewarm endorsement, and very obviously never fighting for a guy who dedicated four years of his life to the franchise and seemed like the perfect fit if Snyder meant what he said about maintaining continuity the day Gibbs resigned. ........................

.................Whenever Gibbs was asked about Williams on Sunday, he repeated the mantra that "the owner has to be comfortable," leading to the obvious conclusion that Snyder never wanted him in the first place, despite all his good work.
 
For some serious criticism of Snyder, Cerrato, and Gibbs, read Leonard Shapiro's column.

And what must Williams be thinking about Joe Gibbs right about now? Gibbs made him his very first hire four years ago, handed him one side of the ball and watched the Redskins turn into a top-10 defense three of the four years Williams ran one of the more creatively aggressive defenses in the league. More significant, his players virtually to a man desperately wanted him back, some saying so very publicly, and judging from the reaction when he left, so did the team's legion of fans.

And what was the payback for Williams? Gibbs seemingly abandoned him as well, never offering even a lukewarm endorsement, and very obviously never fighting for a guy who dedicated four years of his life to the franchise and seemed like the perfect fit if Snyder meant what he said about maintaining continuity the day Gibbs resigned. ........................

.................Whenever Gibbs was asked about Williams on Sunday, he repeated the mantra that "the owner has to be comfortable," leading to the obvious conclusion that Snyder never wanted him in the first place, despite all his good work.
FWIW, some reports had Gibbs lobbying hard for Williams to get the job. Not sure what to believe anymore.
 
David Elfin's blog

A Redskins source downplayed rumors about the team's interest in trading for unhappy Cincinnati Bengals wideout Chad Johnson, though he didn't totally rule out the possibility.

The source also believes that cornerback Shawn Springs, who'll be 33 next month, will stay put despite his high $7.5 million salary cap number for 2008.
 
Javon Walker would be cheaper than Chad Johnson.
I would MUCH rather Walker than Johnson. I don't think Walker is a better player, but I think he has a better attitude and he will cost a lot less. 85's attitude seems as it if gets worse and worse each year. I think that one thing this team might have going for it is attitude and chemistry. The last thing they need is a volatile presence like Johnson.
 
Javon Walker would be cheaper than Chad Johnson.
I would MUCH rather Walker than Johnson. I don't think Walker is a better player, but I think he has a better attitude and he will cost a lot less. 85's attitude seems as it if gets worse and worse each year. I think that one thing this team might have going for it is attitude and chemistry. The last thing they need is a volatile presence like Johnson.
Can you really say that Walker has a better attitude?
 
Javon Walker would be cheaper than Chad Johnson.
I would MUCH rather Walker than Johnson. I don't think Walker is a better player, but I think he has a better attitude and he will cost a lot less. 85's attitude seems as it if gets worse and worse each year. I think that one thing this team might have going for it is attitude and chemistry. The last thing they need is a volatile presence like Johnson.
Can you really say that Walker has a better attitude?
I think so. He's certainly less volatile. He stayed relatively quiet as Brandon Marshall emerged and his team's season went down the tubes. I'm not saying Walker is a saint, but come on, CJ is constantly looking for the camera and I'm all set with that. I'm also all set with the 1st and 3rd round cost, which is the biggest reason why I would not want CJ. And I also think that a guy like Walker is much more palatable. I see him as being less distruptive and less abrasive to this team's solid core.
 
FWIW, some reports had Gibbs lobbying hard for Williams to get the job. Not sure what to believe anymore.
I was really hoping that when Gibbs retired the 2nd time that he'd maintain the "team president" title and essentially do what Parcells is doing now. Sadly he left us in shambles again and is essentially only around to give the rubber stamp approval of all of Snyder and Cerrato's hijinks.
 
Papa's got a brand new defensive coordinator.

"I kind of liken it to [singer] James Brown," said Blache, Washington's defensive line coach the last four seasons. "Everybody loves James Brown, but there were guys in the background creating the funk. For the last few years, Jerry, K.O. [Olivadotti], myself were in the background doing our thing. One guy moves on, the others have to stand up and play."
 
Papa's got a brand new defensive coordinator.

"I kind of liken it to [singer] James Brown," said Blache, Washington's defensive line coach the last four seasons. "Everybody loves James Brown, but there were guys in the background creating the funk. For the last few years, Jerry, K.O. [Olivadotti], myself were in the background doing our thing. One guy moves on, the others have to stand up and play."
I didn't know much about Blache other than that he'd gotten a lot out of a little on the defensive line, but he's definitely growing on me.
 
Once again the Redskins have become the most interesting team of the offseason. Fans of other teams, sad that their team does not have much of an offseason thread, come to this one instead to see what real fans are like.
It's Feb 12th and we are already 22 pages into the offseason thread......What's the over/under on the thread this year?
 
Javon Walker would be cheaper than Chad Johnson.
I would MUCH rather Walker than Johnson. I don't think Walker is a better player, but I think he has a better attitude and he will cost a lot less. 85's attitude seems as it if gets worse and worse each year. I think that one thing this team might have going for it is attitude and chemistry. The last thing they need is a volatile presence like Johnson.
I'm hoping this reported interest in Johnson is just the team trying to drive up the price for the Eagles and Cowboys.....I think that is wishful thinking. But the price on Johnson is just way too high good, of bad attitude.
 
Javon Walker would be cheaper than Chad Johnson.
I would MUCH rather Walker than Johnson. I don't think Walker is a better player, but I think he has a better attitude and he will cost a lot less. 85's attitude seems as it if gets worse and worse each year. I think that one thing this team might have going for it is attitude and chemistry. The last thing they need is a volatile presence like Johnson.
I'm hoping this reported interest in Johnson is just the team trying to drive up the price for the Eagles and Cowboys.....I think that is wishful thinking. But the price on Johnson is just way too high good, of bad attitude.
I'm very suspicious that Walker's career is done. His knee injury has done nothing but linger. Yeah, if he's healthy he's a force, but I don't like the idea of shelling out huge $$ only to get eight games out of him over two seasons or something. That would be a mess.
 

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