****OFFICIAL**** 2008 Washington Redskins Off Season Thread! (1 Viewer)

[southeastjerome]

Looks like Z-Man, got his man. Apparently the meeting with Fisher is just a polite formality.

Smith Set To Join Redskins

Titans Assistant to Be Offensive Coordinator

Tennessee Titans assistant coach Sherman Smith is expected to accept the Washington Redskins' offensive coordinator position today, which would complete the coaching staff of new head coach Jim Zorn.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8021403526.html

 

[Bizkiteer]

Looks like Z-Man, got his man. Apparently the meeting with Fisher is just a polite formality.

Smith Set To Join Redskins

Titans Assistant to Be Offensive Coordinator

Tennessee Titans assistant coach Sherman Smith is expected to accept the Washington Redskins' offensive coordinator position today, which would complete the coaching staff of new head coach Jim Zorn.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8021403526.html

Yep, after working with Fisher for 13 or so yrs...he wanted to extend the courtesy to tell him face to face and give his explainations. Sounds like a good guy, kudos to him.

 

[fatness]

"I thought Dan did a great job," Gibbs said, referring to Redskins owner Daniel Snyder. "It was a tough, real long process there. They were able to keep most of the coaching staff there, so that's exciting. There are only two or three coaches who are probably not going to be there. That's pretty good, considering the size of that coaching staff. So I'd say it's probably, what, 85 percent of the coaching staff that got to stay. Not only that, but all of the medical team and everybody in the equipment room. I think there's been a real continuity to trying to keep the group together."

It's sad watching Gibbs become a PR tool.

 

[dgreen]

"I thought Dan did a great job," Gibbs said, referring to Redskins owner Daniel Snyder. "It was a tough, real long process there. They were able to keep most of the coaching staff there, so that's exciting. There are only two or three coaches who are probably not going to be there. That's pretty good, considering the size of that coaching staff. So I'd say it's probably, what, 85 percent of the coaching staff that got to stay. Not only that, but all of the medical team and everybody in the equipment room. I think there's been a real continuity to trying to keep the group together."

It's sad watching Gibbs become a PR tool.

When has he EVER said a negative word about ANYTHING related to the Washington Redskins?

 

[DCThunder]

"I thought Dan did a great job," Gibbs said, referring to Redskins owner Daniel Snyder. "It was a tough, real long process there. They were able to keep most of the coaching staff there, so that's exciting. There are only two or three coaches who are probably not going to be there. That's pretty good, considering the size of that coaching staff. So I'd say it's probably, what, 85 percent of the coaching staff that got to stay. Not only that, but all of the medical team and everybody in the equipment room. I think there's been a real continuity to trying to keep the group together."

It's sad watching Gibbs become a PR tool.

When has he EVER said a negative word about ANYTHING related to the Washington Redskins?

Someday, I'd like to read Joe Gibbs' unexpurgated autobiography of his life and times with the Redskins and NASCAR. There's no question that he's worked for two of the more "colorful" and "foreceful" owners in the NFL in Jack Kent Cooke and Daniel Snyder.

 

[Sidewinder16]

"I thought Dan did a great job," Gibbs said, referring to Redskins owner Daniel Snyder. "It was a tough, real long process there. They were able to keep most of the coaching staff there, so that's exciting. There are only two or three coaches who are probably not going to be there. That's pretty good, considering the size of that coaching staff. So I'd say it's probably, what, 85 percent of the coaching staff that got to stay. Not only that, but all of the medical team and everybody in the equipment room. I think there's been a real continuity to trying to keep the group together."

It's sad watching Gibbs become a PR tool.

When has he EVER said a negative word about ANYTHING related to the Washington Redskins?

I'm not sure I would go as far as to label him a PR tool, but the continued banging of the "continuity" drum sounds really, really hollow right now. And that's not something I generally expect from Gibbs.You can talk "percentage of coaching staff" numbers all day long, but when you've decapitated the head(s) off the body and replaced it with another head(s) you've decided to move in a different direction than you previously were. That doesn't feel like continuity to me.

 

[fatness]

When has he EVER said a negative word about ANYTHING related to the Washington Redskins?

Not saying something negative is one thing. Saying things that are pretty much at odds with reality, just to support the owner who pays you, is another. He's just eroding his credibility and I'm sad to see that. He's one of the people in life I've most respected as a leader, and I hate seeing him become just a PR guy for whatever Snyder does now. The team turned over its head coach, both coordinators, and he'll just keep talking about continuity. He didn't go to bat for Williams in the coaching search. Williams is gone now. And Gibbs talks about continuity.

 

[fatness]

By JIM WYATT • Staff Writer • February 15, 2008

Titans assistant coach Sherman Smith still hasn't made a decision on whether to accept an offer from the Redskins to become their offensive coordinator. Smith was scheduled to meet with Titans Coach Jeff Fisher on Thursday, but the meeting didn't take place. Smith is currently assistant head coach/running backs coach for the Titans, where he's spent the past 13 seasons.

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..................... The Washington Post reported late Thursday night that Smith was expected to accept the offer, but Smith reiterated that he had not made a final decision.

The Tennessean

 

[fatness]

However, with the deadline to reach the $116 million cap two weeks away, the Redskins are still about $7.5 million in the red

If Zorn agrees with former coach Joe Gibbs about Brandon Lloyd, the unproductive receiver will be cut, saving $2.4 million.

That still leaves more than $5 million to trim just to get to the cap, let alone have money to make a play for such high-priced, Pro Bowl-level free agents as New England Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel — if the Redskins decide that holdover Shawn Springs isn't worth $7.5 million at 33 — and Chicago Bears linebacker Lance Briggs.

Springs, who declined to restructure his contract last year, has more leverage than offensive tackle Jon Jansen or defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin since he rebounded from an injury-riddled 2006 to have a strong 2007 season and because fellow corner Carlos Rogers isn't expected back until perhaps October as he recovers from reconstructive knee surgery.

The Redskins tried to trade last offseason for Briggs, a rookie in 2003 under then Bears defensive coordinator Greg Blache, who now holds that job in Washington. Last year's weakside starter, Rocky McIntosh, blew out a knee in December but should be ready by July. Strongside starter Marcus Washington is 30 and starting to break down, which also could lead to interest in Briggs.

Mark Brunell, Washington's starting quarterback for most of 2004, 2005 and 2006, was third-string last year and can void his contract. However, with Todd Collins, who finished last year as the starter in place of injured Jason Campbell, likely to follow mentor Al Saunders out of Washington, Brunell's value to the Redskins has increased. Brunell, who will turn 38 in September, won't return at his scheduled $6.5 million but could earn a third to a half of that if Zorn can't find a veteran with more experience in the West Coast offense.

All of that still leaves seven starters with unwieldy cap numbers of more than $5 million each. "I have no problem listening if they want to talk about restructuring my contract as long as it doesn't hurt me financially," said 32-year-old Jansen, who missed all but 11 plays because of injuries during two of the past four seasons.

Washington Times

 

[DCThunder]

However, with the deadline to reach the $116 million cap two weeks away, the Redskins are still about $7.5 million in the red

If Zorn agrees with former coach Joe Gibbs about Brandon Lloyd, the unproductive receiver will be cut, saving $2.4 million.

That still leaves more than $5 million to trim just to get to the cap, let alone have money to make a play for such high-priced, Pro Bowl-level free agents as New England Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel — if the Redskins decide that holdover Shawn Springs isn't worth $7.5 million at 33 — and Chicago Bears linebacker Lance Briggs.

Springs, who declined to restructure his contract last year, has more leverage than offensive tackle Jon Jansen or defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin since he rebounded from an injury-riddled 2006 to have a strong 2007 season and because fellow corner Carlos Rogers isn't expected back until perhaps October as he recovers from reconstructive knee surgery.

The Redskins tried to trade last offseason for Briggs, a rookie in 2003 under then Bears defensive coordinator Greg Blache, who now holds that job in Washington. Last year's weakside starter, Rocky McIntosh, blew out a knee in December but should be ready by July. Strongside starter Marcus Washington is 30 and starting to break down, which also could lead to interest in Briggs.

Mark Brunell, Washington's starting quarterback for most of 2004, 2005 and 2006, was third-string last year and can void his contract. However, with Todd Collins, who finished last year as the starter in place of injured Jason Campbell, likely to follow mentor Al Saunders out of Washington, Brunell's value to the Redskins has increased. Brunell, who will turn 38 in September, won't return at his scheduled $6.5 million but could earn a third to a half of that if Zorn can't find a veteran with more experience in the West Coast offense.

All of that still leaves seven starters with unwieldy cap numbers of more than $5 million each. "I have no problem listening if they want to talk about restructuring my contract as long as it doesn't hurt me financially," said 32-year-old Jansen, who missed all but 11 plays because of injuries during two of the past four seasons.

Washington Times

AS much as I like and respect Jansen, if he takes that attitude, he's getting whacked. Heyer played pretty well at RT and is a whole lot cheaper.

 

[fatness]

Yeah, I think Jansen is due a pay cut. But I also think Snyder doesn't want to do that, so we'll see.Sherman Smith: I heard 2 different radio reports this afternoon that Smith had decided to turn down the OC job for the Skins after talking to Jeff Fisher. Both reports said he called Zorn, who got him to reconsider the offer again. Now Smith is trying to decide all over again and "huddling with his family."From LaCanfora's blog:

Smith early today informed Tennessee Coach Jeff Fisher he planned to reject Washington's offer and remain with the Titans. At some point in the afternoon, Smith, a member of Fisher's Titans staff since 1995, contacted Zorn to discuss his decision. After speaking with Zorn, Smith called Fisher and said he had decided to reconsider leaving the Titans, the sources said. Fisher told Smith to take his time, and Fisher and Zorn are waiting as Smith huddles with his family.When I spoke with Smith yesterday, I got the feeling he thought joining Zorn would be best for his career but he really likes Nashville. Smith is a deeply religious man, people who know him well say, and he told me his faith would help to guide him to the right path.

 

[fatness]

People come and go so quickly around here.

Looks like Smith took the job after all, according to LaCanfora:

Smith just informed the Tennessee Titans he is taking the Redskins' offensive coordinator job, league sources said. Look for an announcement shortly.Also, league sources say the Titans are very much interested in fired Redskins running backs coach Earnest Byner to work with their running backs, and plan to contact him shortly.So the Skins' coaching staff is essentially in place.

 

[redman]

People come and go so quickly around here.

They're dreadfully fond of beheading people here; the great wonder is, that there's any one left alive!

 

[fatness]

Fox Sports Redskin Offseason OUtlook

The Redskins finished third in kickoff coverage and sixth in punt coverage as Danny Smith's units continued to excel with Khary Campbell (39 tackles) and Cartwright (36) the clear leaders.

Macklin, who hardly played, likely won't be back. Prioleau, a Williams favorite, is also a free agent. He remains a decent backup. Fox is a special-teamer. Stoutmire was signed twice as an injury replacement but will be 34 in July and is probably done. If Springs leaves, the Redskins will need another corner. They also figure to bring in another safety to compete with Doughty.

Godfrey, who will be 35, figures to return. Special teams ace Campbell and rookie Blades are both more suited to the middle but each took some of McIntosh's snaps after he was hurt. Sinclair hustled his way onto the practice squad and was promoted in December. The Redskins need some young backups whose natural position is outside linebacker.

Evans remained a solid fill-in anywhere on the line. Former CFL speedster Wilson was a true longshot but he recorded four sacks (second on the line despite his limited snaps). If Wilson can get bigger without losing speed, he'll play more. Former practice-squadder Alexander won a job with a strong preseason and wound up playing on both lines. The coaches should decide where he belongs this offseason. Rookie free agent Buzbee was promoted from the practice squad in December. Boschetti might finally be a goner after not getting on the field in more than a year despite being healthy. The Redskins need to find an eventual replacement for Daniels, who will be 35 and is in the last year of his contract.

Rookie free agent Heyer benefited from the playing time earned when Samuels was hurt in August and was ready when Wade wore down at right tackle in November. Heyer should be the No. 1 backup in 2008. Career defensive tackle Alexander was a great story, becoming a two-way player during the second half of the year as jumbo package tight end Pucillo's bad back flared up and eventually ended his season. Veterans DeMulling and Sampson were stopgap signings. Tucker was going to be cut before he was hurt in training camp. The team needs more young linemen.

 

[fatness]

From a post at Extremeskins:

Okay, after listening to Vinny Cerrato's radio appearance we can gleam a few things.• Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell will be on the field next week going over fundamentals.• No change in the running game. Same terminology, same plays.• New passing game, however with a much shorter verbiage.

 

[fatness]

Lots of Vinnie Cerrato player information on Bram Weinstein's blog today: Bram's blog

Vinny Cerrato joined Redskins radio for the full hour on Friday and was very open and candid about the decision behind hiring Jim Zorn as the team's new head coach as well as giving a sense of the direction the team will take in rebuilding the roster during the off-season..

First on Zorn: There was some assertions that Zorn was close friends with Vinny and therefore led to his promotion as the head coach from offensive coordinator.. Cerrato says that is untrue, that the first in depth conversation he had with Zorn came when he was here to interview for the offensive coordinator position..

On the reasons behind Gregg Williams not getting the job and being allowed to part ways with the organization a few weeks ago before a head coaching decision was made, "It was not going to be a good marriage for both sides. We let him go when we started getting requests to interview Gregg for other defensive coordinator opportunities." So the timing of it had a little to do with Williams ability to find his next employer and not just the fall out of the leaking of the potential hiring of Jim Fassel..

The compensation for the Jets will receive for the acquisition of G Pete Kendall last summer will be a 4th round draft pick in 2009, so as of now the Redskins have their full compliment of draft selections..

Cerrato fielded calls from listeners regarding the philosophy of trading away picks and acquiring some many free agents on the roster.. He used the Kendall scenario to explain some of the decisions that are made particularly with lower round picks.. "Last year 52 of the picks from rounds six and seven were cut. Sometimes the draft is not deep." Cerrato explained that it is cheaper or all teams to select undrafted free agents, with less money guaranteed necessary to sign them especially if the beliefe is there are few if any diamonds in the rough that low..

As for drafting, Cerrato said the team firmly believes in the draft but is always willing to move picks for more established players..

He said he accepts all responsibility for moves that did not work out such as Adam Archuletta, Brandon Lloyd and TJ Duckett (not as much for Duckett considering the circumstances that Clinton Portis was hurt in the team's first pre-season game that summer).. He explained that the Archuletta and Lloyd signings were a little different then some of the others, namely, Fred Smoot (who the team already knew), London Fletcher (who played under Gregg Williams and Jerry Gray) in that none of the coaches knew either of those players before the team decided to make moves to get them.. He also wanted to be clear, "No one is going to be perfect, but I am accountable."

As far as free agency goes, the Redskins don't sound as if they plan on being major players. Vinny said, "There are not a lot of free agents out there. We probably won't be a big player."

As far as needs, Cerrato stressed finding a "big" WR, a swing o-lineman who could play center or guard or one who could be guard or tackle.. Back-up ecnter Mike Pucillo likely won't be back with the team and the age of the guards and tackles are at issue.. Also, the team wants a another FB because the offense may call for more out of that position then before.. Mike Sellers is certainly safe as the starter..

On D-- Cerrato will likely be after a CB based partially on the health of Carlos Rogers who may not be ready to go by camp after suffering a major knee injury.. The team wants depth at safety and wants to find a defensive tackle who can help with pass rush..

Cerrato denies the team is in need of a edge pass rusher.. he cited the 10.5 sacks of Andre Carter and the 10+ sacks combined from the other edge as signs that the glaring deficiency comes from the lack of a rush on the interior line.. Expect the Skins to make a play for a Justin Tuck style player whether it be in the draft or via Free agency..

DT Cornelious Griffin has a large cap number, but is safe on the roster..

The Skins will likely use a late draft pick on a young quarterback..

LB Rocky McIntosh is "looking good" as he rehabs a surgically repaired knee, the hope is he'll be back for training camp..

Cerrato says the team and Zorn have both talked to free agent QB Todd Collins, the Redskins are hoping to re-sign him to be the back-up at the very least..

FB/KR Rock Cartwright likely will be allowed to enter free agency to see what his market value is.. The Skins would like to retain him however if a back-up or starting RB spot comes to him, the Skins likely will not match whatever offer comes his way..

The Redskins have no interest in a possible reconciliation and resigning of former LB LaVar Arrington..

With Sherman Smith as the new offensive coordinator signed, the Redskins staff is now complete.. the team will send a contingent to Indianapolis for next week's combine..

 

[fatness]

Washington Post

New Washington Redskins coach Jim Zorn phoned quarterback Todd Collins this week to relay the team's interest in retaining the potential free agent as a backup, and the team also agreed on a one-year contract with Pro Bowl long snapper Ethan Albright.

Zorn told Collins that Jason Campbell would start this fall, but praised Collins's production last season, league sources said, telling the veteran he considers him a strong No. 2.

The Redskins also have extended an offer to potential free agent punter Derrick Frost, league sources said, but kick returner Rock Cartwright has yet to be contacted, he said. Cartwright is not optimistic about remaining in Washington, and is seeking a deal worth at least $2 million guaranteed, sources said.

Two other free agents, linebacker Randall Godfrey and safety Pierson Prioleau, are considering joining longtime coach Gregg Williams in Jacksonville, sources said. Washington retains sole negotiating rights to these players until Feb. 29.

 

[DCThunder]

Man, over 24 hours without a post. Must be due to the fact that President's Day has everyone in DC home and doing other things, not figureing out how to waste time at work by posting on this thread.

 

[Marvelous]

Lots of Vinnie Cerrato player information on Bram Weinstein's blog today: Bram's blog

Vinny Cerrato joined Redskins radio for the full hour on Friday and was very open and candid about the decision behind hiring Jim Zorn as the team's new head coach as well as giving a sense of the direction the team will take in rebuilding the roster during the off-season..

First on Zorn: There was some assertions that Zorn was close friends with Vinny and therefore led to his promotion as the head coach from offensive coordinator.. Cerrato says that is untrue, that the first in depth conversation he had with Zorn came when he was here to interview for the offensive coordinator position..

On the reasons behind Gregg Williams not getting the job and being allowed to part ways with the organization a few weeks ago before a head coaching decision was made, "It was not going to be a good marriage for both sides. We let him go when we started getting requests to interview Gregg for other defensive coordinator opportunities." So the timing of it had a little to do with Williams ability to find his next employer and not just the fall out of the leaking of the potential hiring of Jim Fassel..

The compensation for the Jets will receive for the acquisition of G Pete Kendall last summer will be a 4th round draft pick in 2009, so as of now the Redskins have their full compliment of draft selections..

Cerrato fielded calls from listeners regarding the philosophy of trading away picks and acquiring some many free agents on the roster.. He used the Kendall scenario to explain some of the decisions that are made particularly with lower round picks.. "Last year 52 of the picks from rounds six and seven were cut. Sometimes the draft is not deep." Cerrato explained that it is cheaper or all teams to select undrafted free agents, with less money guaranteed necessary to sign them especially if the beliefe is there are few if any diamonds in the rough that low..

As for drafting, Cerrato said the team firmly believes in the draft but is always willing to move picks for more established players..

He said he accepts all responsibility for moves that did not work out such as Adam Archuletta, Brandon Lloyd and TJ Duckett (not as much for Duckett considering the circumstances that Clinton Portis was hurt in the team's first pre-season game that summer).. He explained that the Archuletta and Lloyd signings were a little different then some of the others, namely, Fred Smoot (who the team already knew), London Fletcher (who played under Gregg Williams and Jerry Gray) in that none of the coaches knew either of those players before the team decided to make moves to get them.. He also wanted to be clear, "No one is going to be perfect, but I am accountable."

As far as free agency goes, the Redskins don't sound as if they plan on being major players. Vinny said, "There are not a lot of free agents out there. We probably won't be a big player."

As far as needs, Cerrato stressed finding a "big" WR, a swing o-lineman who could play center or guard or one who could be guard or tackle.. Back-up ecnter Mike Pucillo likely won't be back with the team and the age of the guards and tackles are at issue.. Also, the team wants a another FB because the offense may call for more out of that position then before.. Mike Sellers is certainly safe as the starter..

On D-- Cerrato will likely be after a CB based partially on the health of Carlos Rogers who may not be ready to go by camp after suffering a major knee injury.. The team wants depth at safety and wants to find a defensive tackle who can help with pass rush..

Cerrato denies the team is in need of a edge pass rusher.. he cited the 10.5 sacks of Andre Carter and the 10+ sacks combined from the other edge as signs that the glaring deficiency comes from the lack of a rush on the interior line.. Expect the Skins to make a play for a Justin Tuck style player whether it be in the draft or via Free agency..

DT Cornelious Griffin has a large cap number, but is safe on the roster..

The Skins will likely use a late draft pick on a young quarterback..

LB Rocky McIntosh is "looking good" as he rehabs a surgically repaired knee, the hope is he'll be back for training camp..

Cerrato says the team and Zorn have both talked to free agent QB Todd Collins, the Redskins are hoping to re-sign him to be the back-up at the very least..

FB/KR Rock Cartwright likely will be allowed to enter free agency to see what his market value is.. The Skins would like to retain him however if a back-up or starting RB spot comes to him, the Skins likely will not match whatever offer comes his way..

The Redskins have no interest in a possible reconciliation and resigning of former LB LaVar Arrington..

With Sherman Smith as the new offensive coordinator signed, the Redskins staff is now complete.. the team will send a contingent to Indianapolis for next week's combine..

Cerrato sure sounds like the GM to me.Interesting that he thinks they need more pass rush from the DT spot and not the DE spot. It definately says they don't think Montgomery and/or Goldsten will develop into a pass rushing DT.

No surprise that they will take a lat e round flyer on a qb. They did it last year and it did not work. They should keep doing it until they find a decent qb.

 

[fatness]

Humor time.

Jim Zorn Delegates Delegating Duties to Assistant

WASHINGTON--In his press conference on Friday, new Redskins coach Jim Zorn promised to lean heavily on his assistant coaches. He held true to that today by delegating every single coaching task to his assistants, including the delegating duties.

Zorn said that a great coach knows how to delegate authority.

“Delegating is a big part of being a coach,” Zorn told reporters. “That’s why I had to call my coaches together today and delegate all the duties to them. Well, I didn’t delegate, [defensive coach] Greg Blache did. I really can’t be bothered with that kind of stuff. I have a team to run.”

Zorn’s job will to be oversee the entire operation. The rookie head coach said he plans to meet with his coaches each week to discuss the team and view film of the games.

“Every week I will be meeting with them, face to face, and asking them how the team is doing,” said Zorn. “Then I’ll ask them how this week’s game plan is coming along. Then we’ll watch some game film so we can pinpoint which players aren’t performing. Above all, the most important thing is listening, which is why I’ve assigned that task to my most trusted assistant, Joe Bugle.”

Not surprisingly, the coaching staff was frustrated with Zorn’s decision. Many even questioned whether he had the leadership ability to be a head coach in the NFL.

“It’s tough to have a head coach who doesn’t really do anything,” said Blache. “I mean, you expect him to run the team, to make all the big decisions, to help with the game plan, all that. But Jim doesn’t want to do anything. He just wants to delegate. And the worst thing is, we’re not a very good coaching staff. He might actually be better off doing everything himself.”

Blache has been saddled with the unenviable task of delegating responsibility to the other coaches, a role he says hasn’t made him any friends.

“Lets just say I’m not the most popular guy in the organization right now,” said Blache. “I’ve had to heap a lot of work on these guys in the past couple days, and I think everyone’s a little stunned. I swear, I don’t know how actual head coaches do it. In a way, it makes me respect Jim a little more. He has this down to a science.”

Former coach Joe Gibbs, himself a master delegator, said that most head coaches delegate pretty much everything to their assistants.

“It’s actually more common than you think,” he said. “People think head coaches are these all-knowing geniuses, but in fact most of us are just very good managers who know how to distribute the work among our assistants. For instance, the great George Halas never even showed up to a practice. And Tom Landy didn’t even know what a 4-3 defense was. Me? I know everything about football, including the fact that only an ####### will do his own work when he has other people there to do it for him.”

 

[thayman]

I'm very unhappy that they are letting Cartwright test the Free Agency market. He's one of my favorite Redskins and plays so damn hard. I've always thought that he was one of the most underrated KR men in the NFL, here's hopping that no one picks him up and he can stay in maroon and black

 

[buster c]

I'm very unhappy that they are letting Cartwright test the Free Agency market. He's one of my favorite Redskins and plays so damn hard. I've always thought that he was one of the most underrated KR men in the NFL, here's hopping that no one picks him up and he can stay in maroon and black

this would be classic Snyder-Ceratto, going back to letting go of B.Mitch for Deion, not signing Pierce for $25m yet giving an older L.Fletcher 10m more, and letting go R.Clark for less than the signing bonus Archuleta got. same ol' schtick.

 

[redman]

I'm very unhappy that they are letting Cartwright test the Free Agency market. He's one of my favorite Redskins and plays so damn hard. I've always thought that he was one of the most underrated KR men in the NFL, here's hopping that no one picks him up and he can stay in maroon and black

this would be classic Snyder-Ceratto, going back to letting go of B.Mitch for Deion, not signing Pierce for $25m yet giving an older L.Fletcher 10m more, and letting go R.Clark for less than the signing bonus Archuleta got. same ol' schtick.

Mitchell was let go also because they had Larry Centers, but your point's valid otherwise. I agree that Rock should remain. He's great on special teams and even showed me something in those rare cases when he had the ball at RB. I don't see why he should be shown the door.

 

[DCThunder]

I'm very unhappy that they are letting Cartwright test the Free Agency market. He's one of my favorite Redskins and plays so damn hard. I've always thought that he was one of the most underrated KR men in the NFL, here's hopping that no one picks him up and he can stay in maroon and black

this would be classic Snyder-Ceratto, going back to letting go of B.Mitch for Deion, not signing Pierce for $25m yet giving an older L.Fletcher 10m more, and letting go R.Clark for less than the signing bonus Archuleta got. same ol' schtick.

Mitchell was let go also because they had Larry Centers, but your point's valid otherwise. I agree that Rock should remain. He's great on special teams and even showed me something in those rare cases when he had the ball at RB. I don't see why he should be shown the door.

Come on guys, you can't keep everybody from year to year. What do you think this is, the OLD NFL where Ike Forte could hang around for many years just to play special teams and return a few kicks here and there. At least Ethan Albright will be back for anohter year.

 

[fatness]

I agree that Rock should remain. He's great on special teams and even showed me something in those rare cases when he had the ball at RB. I don't see why he should be shown the door.

I like him a lot too, though I don't think he's shown so much at RB. He seems to go down far too easily there. On special teams he's great, though. But there's some talk that he may get a $2 million offer elsewhere. He's not worth keeping for that kind of money.

 

[redman]

I'm very unhappy that they are letting Cartwright test the Free Agency market. He's one of my favorite Redskins and plays so damn hard. I've always thought that he was one of the most underrated KR men in the NFL, here's hopping that no one picks him up and he can stay in maroon and black

this would be classic Snyder-Ceratto, going back to letting go of B.Mitch for Deion, not signing Pierce for $25m yet giving an older L.Fletcher 10m more, and letting go R.Clark for less than the signing bonus Archuleta got. same ol' schtick.

Mitchell was let go also because they had Larry Centers, but your point's valid otherwise. I agree that Rock should remain. He's great on special teams and even showed me something in those rare cases when he had the ball at RB. I don't see why he should be shown the door.

Come on guys, you can't keep everybody from year to year. What do you think this is, the OLD NFL where Ike Forte could hang around for many years just to play special teams and return a few kicks here and there. At least Ethan Albright will be back for anohter year.

I agree that Rock should remain. He's great on special teams and even showed me something in those rare cases when he had the ball at RB. I don't see why he should be shown the door.

I like him a lot too, though I don't think he's shown so much at RB. He seems to go down far too easily there. On special teams he's great, though. But there's some talk that he may get a $2 million offer elsewhere. He's not worth keeping for that kind of money.

Agreed that the $2M pricetag is probably too much. I'd forgotten how much he was asking for. That looks a lot like a guy who wants to get one more big contract before his career wanes. DCT- I'm not one to fall in love irrationally with some players. In fact I think Thrash, a guy who is a lot like Rock, needs to make room for Mix on the roster as Thrash offers nothing aside from his special teams play, and has no hope of doing so at his age. I do, however, think that certain guys have value just because of how hard they work, and also because in this case I happen to think that Rock is pretty talented at what he does.

 

[fatness]

I do, however, think that certain guys have value just because of how hard they work, and also because in this case I happen to think that Rock is pretty talented at what he does.

I strongly agree with that. The problem comes when it's the same guys with the excellent work ethic year after year ---- their skills gradually decline to a point that they're taking away a spot that should go to an up-and-coming guy. Some of those up-and-coming guys have, or will develop, excellent work ethics of their own and will be the Cartwrights and Thrashes of years to come. I think this may be the year to let Thrash go. But it'll depend on whom they'd be replacing him with. They never seem to have decent backup WR's.

 

[southeastjerome]

I agree that Rock should remain. He's great on special teams and even showed me something in those rare cases when he had the ball at RB. I don't see why he should be shown the door.

I like him a lot too, though I don't think he's shown so much at RB. He seems to go down far too easily there. On special teams he's great, though. But there's some talk that he may get a $2 million offer elsewhere. He's not worth keeping for that kind of money.

My sentiments exactly. I like Rock. I don't think he's worth the money, at least not to this team, if he's asking for $2 million. If he can get that elsewhere, I don't blame him for leaving and I don't blame the redskins for not paying him.

 

[DCThunder]

I agree that Rock should remain. He's great on special teams and even showed me something in those rare cases when he had the ball at RB. I don't see why he should be shown the door.

I like him a lot too, though I don't think he's shown so much at RB. He seems to go down far too easily there. On special teams he's great, though. But there's some talk that he may get a $2 million offer elsewhere. He's not worth keeping for that kind of money.

My sentiments exactly. I like Rock. I don't think he's worth the money, at least not to this team, if he's asking for $2 million. If he can get that elsewhere, I don't blame him for leaving and I don't blame the redskins for not paying him.

This is actually how I feel as well. I'd love to have Rock back as I do think he's very good at what he does, but he's not worth $2M.This is where I see Gibbs leaving as being a good thing. There's no question that Gibbs did fall in love with certain players. Hell, look at how long guys like Monte Coleman or Jeff Bostic stuck around. Everyone complains that we don't have any young, hungry back-ups and some of that is because Gibbs would always go with a vet over a rookie, if all else was equal. Let's do some housecleaning of some of these role-players who are getting up there in years and salary. The NFL = Not For Long, everywhere but at Ashburn.

 

[thayman]

You know how I know our team is cool? We are in here talking about guys named Rock and Thrash.

 

[redman]

You know how I know our team is cool? We are in here talking about guys named Rock and Thrash.

12 wins. Easy.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I agree that Rock should remain. He's great on special teams and even showed me something in those rare cases when he had the ball at RB. I don't see why he should be shown the door.

I like him a lot too, though I don't think he's shown so much at RB. He seems to go down far too easily there. On special teams he's great, though. But there's some talk that he may get a $2 million offer elsewhere. He's not worth keeping for that kind of money.

My sentiments exactly. I like Rock. I don't think he's worth the money, at least not to this team, if he's asking for $2 million. If he can get that elsewhere, I don't blame him for leaving and I don't blame the redskins for not paying him.

This is actually how I feel as well. I'd love to have Rock back as I do think he's very good at what he does, but he's not worth $2M.This is where I see Gibbs leaving as being a good thing. There's no question that Gibbs did fall in love with certain players. Hell, look at how long guys like Monte Coleman or Jeff Bostic stuck around. Everyone complains that we don't have any young, hungry back-ups and some of that is because Gibbs would always go with a vet over a rookie, if all else was equal. Let's do some housecleaning of some of these role-players who are getting up there in years and salary. The NFL = Not For Long, everywhere but at Ashburn.

I think Rock is a good guy and his enthusiasm probably helps more than any return, but I have no real attachment to him. I don't think his return ability is all that great as he runs straight lines and doesn't ahve break away speed. I'm glad the team is not looking to overspend to keep him and happy for him too, if he can get that type of money out there. I might be in the minority of 'Skins fans, but I really don't see what the hub bub is about him.

 

[thayman]

You know how I know our team is cool? We are in here talking about guys named Rock and Thrash.

12 wins. Easy.

It's a shame we can't combine the two. "On Special Teams ROCK THRASH!!!!!!!!!!" That guy would be a monster.

 

[redman]

You know how I know our team is cool? We are in here talking about guys named Rock and Thrash.

12 wins. Easy.

It's a shame we can't combine the two. "On Special Teams ROCK THRASH!!!!!!!!!!" That guy would be a monster.

I seriously cannot envision what a combination of those two guys would look like physically.

 

[thayman]

You know how I know our team is cool? We are in here talking about guys named Rock and Thrash.

12 wins. Easy.

It's a shame we can't combine the two. "On Special Teams ROCK THRASH!!!!!!!!!!" That guy would be a monster.

I seriously cannot envision what a combination of those two guys would look like physically.

I'm thinking something like this.http://jeffcram.cryptohost.com/images/color/thing.jpg

 

[Bizkiteer]

You know how I know our team is cool? We are in here talking about guys named Rock and Thrash.

12 wins. Easy.

It's a shame we can't combine the two. "On Special Teams ROCK THRASH!!!!!!!!!!" That guy would be a monster.

I seriously cannot envision what a combination of those two guys would look like physically.

I'm thinking something like this.http://jeffcram.cryptohost.com/images/color/thing.jpg

That's funny cuz it looks a lot like this.

 

[Marvelous]

I agree that Rock should remain. He's great on special teams and even showed me something in those rare cases when he had the ball at RB. I don't see why he should be shown the door.

I like him a lot too, though I don't think he's shown so much at RB. He seems to go down far too easily there. On special teams he's great, though. But there's some talk that he may get a $2 million offer elsewhere. He's not worth keeping for that kind of money.

I thought if Gibbs had stayed, Rock as a lock to be resigned. Gibbs was always emphasizing special teams. It is not clear how much Snyder/Cerrato/Zorn value special teams.

 

[Marvelous]

I agree that Rock should remain. He's great on special teams and even showed me something in those rare cases when he had the ball at RB. I don't see why he should be shown the door.

I like him a lot too, though I don't think he's shown so much at RB. He seems to go down far too easily there. On special teams he's great, though. But there's some talk that he may get a $2 million offer elsewhere. He's not worth keeping for that kind of money.

My sentiments exactly. I like Rock. I don't think he's worth the money, at least not to this team, if he's asking for $2 million. If he can get that elsewhere, I don't blame him for leaving and I don't blame the redskins for not paying him.

This is actually how I feel as well. I'd love to have Rock back as I do think he's very good at what he does, but he's not worth $2M.This is where I see Gibbs leaving as being a good thing. There's no question that Gibbs did fall in love with certain players. Hell, look at how long guys like Monte Coleman or Jeff Bostic stuck around. Everyone complains that we don't have any young, hungry back-ups and some of that is because Gibbs would always go with a vet over a rookie, if all else was equal. Let's do some housecleaning of some of these role-players who are getting up there in years and salary. The NFL = Not For Long, everywhere but at Ashburn.

The only older special teams specialist I can think of are Thrash and Albright. Sellers could have fit that category a few years ago, but he is really part of the offense now. Rock is not that old.I think it would be great for the Redskins to find some wide receivers with upside who can also play special teams. They just haven't been able to do it. By the way, I don't think Mix's upside is that high.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I really enjoy our not so lil thread here, but these ads are going to make this tuff to keep coming back. If it comes down to finding a new home, let's each of us know. Hopefully they see their error, but I'm not counting on it.

 

[fatness]

Good news.

The last time the Washington Redskins selected two defensive linemen in the first three rounds of the draft was 1984. Many of the prospects in this year's draft weren't born then, but with newly promoted defensive coordinator Greg Blache looking to bolster the line, team sources said, the Redskins could fill needs at tackle and end on the draft's first day in April.

The Redskins hold the 21st pick, which complicates matters because so many teams will pick ahead of Washington. But as the club's coaches and scouts headed to Indianapolis for the start of the annual scouting combine at the RCA Dome today, defensive line is an area garnering heavy attention

When the defensive coaches met at the end of the season, they agreed they faced three glaring needs, sources said: a bruising tackle big enough to play the run yet nimble enough to create havoc in the backfield, much like Griffin did in his standout season of 2004; an end with pass-rushing acumen to complement Andre Carter; and a cornerback to bolster depth.

Blache, when working with former assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams the past four years, put a premium on acquiring teachable players. Last season, for instance, owner Daniel Snyder and Cerrato were enamored of several veteran linemen who became available -- Simeon Rice, Sam Adams and Corey Simon, in particular. But Blache and Williams staunchly resisted acquiring those players, with age, work habits and/or selfishness an issue (none of the bunch came close to being productive in 2007).

Washington Post

 

[redman]

I really enjoy our not so lil thread here, but these ads are going to make this tuff to keep coming back. If it comes down to finding a new home, let's each of us know. Hopefully they see their error, but I'm not counting on it.

It's a lot better with Firefox. the ads don't expand, and the right column, while still there, is at least blank.

 

[fatness]

Jansen has reportedly restructured, reducing his cap hit over $3 million.

 

[redman]

Jansen has reportedly restructured, reducing his cap hit over $3 million.

This is Jansen's last year with the team IMHO, unless he shocks me with very strong play x16 games this year. The only reason they didn't cut him is because they needed to restructure him first, and couldn't afford the cap hit this year.

 

[fatness]

This is Jansen's last year with the team IMHO, unless he shocks me with very strong play x16 games this year. The only reason they didn't cut him is because they needed to restructure him first, and couldn't afford the cap hit this year.

You're probably right, unless he stops getting shoved around by defensive linemen like las preseason.Wait a minute --- maybe he could learn to play safety? He can pass cover at least as well as Roy Williams.

 

[fatness]

Examiner

Here are five players the Redskins could be eyeing for their first-round pick (21st overall), based partly on how they do at the combine:

Calais Campbell, Miami, DE » One scout compared him to Mario Williams, the No. 1 pick in 2006. He described the 6-foot-8 Campbell as a “freak of an athlete.” But his lack of production in some games is the primary reason why he might be available. Campbell’s agent, Gary Wichard, is a longtime friend of Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins executive vice president of football operations.

Lawrence Jackson, USC, DE » He needs a good showing after a poor week during the Senior Bowl. That’s dropped him to a second-round projection. But, with 30 1/2 career sacks, he was productive. Florida’s Derrick Harvey might be a better option, though he could be gone by 21.

Quentin Groves, Auburn, DE » Groves might end up playing outside linebacker in a 3-4. One league source said the Redskins liked him an awful lot early, but cooled on him after some interviews. He could easily drop to the second round.

Jeff Otah, Pitt, OT » Could easily be gone by the time Washington picks. With right tackle Jon Jansen coming off his second season-ending injury in four seasons, Otah could fill a need here. He also can play left tackle.

Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma, WR » At 6-foot-4, 215 pounds, he could provide the big receiver Washington lacks. He was adept at breaking tackles in college and considered a good route-runner. But he only caught two passes in the red zone as a senior.

 

[redman]

Examiner

Here are five players the Redskins could be eyeing for their first-round pick (21st overall), based partly on how they do at the combine:

Calais Campbell, Miami, DE » One scout compared him to Mario Williams, the No. 1 pick in 2006. He described the 6-foot-8 Campbell as a “freak of an athlete.” But his lack of production in some games is the primary reason why he might be available. Campbell’s agent, Gary Wichard, is a longtime friend of Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins executive vice president of football operations.

Lawrence Jackson, USC, DE » He needs a good showing after a poor week during the Senior Bowl. That’s dropped him to a second-round projection. But, with 30 1/2 career sacks, he was productive. Florida’s Derrick Harvey might be a better option, though he could be gone by 21.

Quentin Groves, Auburn, DE » Groves might end up playing outside linebacker in a 3-4. One league source said the Redskins liked him an awful lot early, but cooled on him after some interviews. He could easily drop to the second round.

Jeff Otah, Pitt, OT » Could easily be gone by the time Washington picks. With right tackle Jon Jansen coming off his second season-ending injury in four seasons, Otah could fill a need here. He also can play left tackle.

Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma, WR » At 6-foot-4, 215 pounds, he could provide the big receiver Washington lacks. He was adept at breaking tackles in college and considered a good route-runner. But he only caught two passes in the red zone as a senior.

What I like about Lawrence "LoJack" Jackson is that he played LDE in a 4-3 all through college in a major program, in a major conference, x4 years. I don't know if he'll be a stud, but I wouldn't expect him to bust at all.

 

[southeastjerome]

Examiner

Here are five players the Redskins could be eyeing for their first-round pick (21st overall), based partly on how they do at the combine:

Calais Campbell, Miami, DE » One scout compared him to Mario Williams, the No. 1 pick in 2006. He described the 6-foot-8 Campbell as a “freak of an athlete.” But his lack of production in some games is the primary reason why he might be available. Campbell’s agent, Gary Wichard, is a longtime friend of Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins executive vice president of football operations.

Lawrence Jackson, USC, DE » He needs a good showing after a poor week during the Senior Bowl. That’s dropped him to a second-round projection. But, with 30 1/2 career sacks, he was productive. Florida’s Derrick Harvey might be a better option, though he could be gone by 21.

Quentin Groves, Auburn, DE » Groves might end up playing outside linebacker in a 3-4. One league source said the Redskins liked him an awful lot early, but cooled on him after some interviews. He could easily drop to the second round.

Jeff Otah, Pitt, OT » Could easily be gone by the time Washington picks. With right tackle Jon Jansen coming off his second season-ending injury in four seasons, Otah could fill a need here. He also can play left tackle.

Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma, WR » At 6-foot-4, 215 pounds, he could provide the big receiver Washington lacks. He was adept at breaking tackles in college and considered a good route-runner. But he only caught two passes in the red zone as a senior.

What I like about Lawrence "LoJack" Jackson is that he played LDE in a 4-3 all through college in a major program, in a major conference, x4 years. I don't know if he'll be a stud, but I wouldn't expect him to bust at all.

I like Jackson too, I was actually hoping that he'll continue to tumble so he'd be there for when the Skins pick in round 2. Wishful thinking. My gut still tells me that they'll pick a WR though. I just think Zorn, being a former QB and former QB coach, has his QB and he'll want him to get his big target. I think adding a big WR via free agency is less likely given that the team has already invested a ton of $$ in Randel El and Lloyd. They haven't gotten the greatest return on investment. ARE has been decent, but probably not worth the money he got at the time.

 

[redman]

Examiner

Here are five players the Redskins could be eyeing for their first-round pick (21st overall), based partly on how they do at the combine:

Calais Campbell, Miami, DE » One scout compared him to Mario Williams, the No. 1 pick in 2006. He described the 6-foot-8 Campbell as a “freak of an athlete.” But his lack of production in some games is the primary reason why he might be available. Campbell’s agent, Gary Wichard, is a longtime friend of Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins executive vice president of football operations.

Lawrence Jackson, USC, DE » He needs a good showing after a poor week during the Senior Bowl. That’s dropped him to a second-round projection. But, with 30 1/2 career sacks, he was productive. Florida’s Derrick Harvey might be a better option, though he could be gone by 21.

Quentin Groves, Auburn, DE » Groves might end up playing outside linebacker in a 3-4. One league source said the Redskins liked him an awful lot early, but cooled on him after some interviews. He could easily drop to the second round.

Jeff Otah, Pitt, OT » Could easily be gone by the time Washington picks. With right tackle Jon Jansen coming off his second season-ending injury in four seasons, Otah could fill a need here. He also can play left tackle.

Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma, WR » At 6-foot-4, 215 pounds, he could provide the big receiver Washington lacks. He was adept at breaking tackles in college and considered a good route-runner. But he only caught two passes in the red zone as a senior.

What I like about Lawrence "LoJack" Jackson is that he played LDE in a 4-3 all through college in a major program, in a major conference, x4 years. I don't know if he'll be a stud, but I wouldn't expect him to bust at all.

I like Jackson too, I was actually hoping that he'll continue to tumble so he'd be there for when the Skins pick in round 2. Wishful thinking. My gut still tells me that they'll pick a WR though. I just think Zorn, being a former QB and former QB coach, has his QB and he'll want him to get his big target. I think adding a big WR via free agency is less likely given that the team has already invested a ton of $$ in Randel El and Lloyd. They haven't gotten the greatest return on investment. ARE has been decent, but probably not worth the money he got at the time.

I'm hoping they address the WR issue through FA, via either Hackett or Bryant Johnson. Drafting WR's is a crapshoot that usually takes time to pay off anyway. Zorn's already said that this isn't at team that's rebuilding, so I hope that's how that sentiment is applied here.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Examiner

Here are five players the Redskins could be eyeing for their first-round pick (21st overall), based partly on how they do at the combine:

Calais Campbell, Miami, DE » One scout compared him to Mario Williams, the No. 1 pick in 2006. He described the 6-foot-8 Campbell as a “freak of an athlete.” But his lack of production in some games is the primary reason why he might be available. Campbell’s agent, Gary Wichard, is a longtime friend of Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins executive vice president of football operations.

Lawrence Jackson, USC, DE » He needs a good showing after a poor week during the Senior Bowl. That’s dropped him to a second-round projection. But, with 30 1/2 career sacks, he was productive. Florida’s Derrick Harvey might be a better option, though he could be gone by 21.

Quentin Groves, Auburn, DE » Groves might end up playing outside linebacker in a 3-4. One league source said the Redskins liked him an awful lot early, but cooled on him after some interviews. He could easily drop to the second round.

Jeff Otah, Pitt, OT » Could easily be gone by the time Washington picks. With right tackle Jon Jansen coming off his second season-ending injury in four seasons, Otah could fill a need here. He also can play left tackle.

Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma, WR » At 6-foot-4, 215 pounds, he could provide the big receiver Washington lacks. He was adept at breaking tackles in college and considered a good route-runner. But he only caught two passes in the red zone as a senior.

What I like about Lawrence "LoJack" Jackson is that he played LDE in a 4-3 all through college in a major program, in a major conference, x4 years. I don't know if he'll be a stud, but I wouldn't expect him to bust at all.

I like Jackson too, I was actually hoping that he'll continue to tumble so he'd be there for when the Skins pick in round 2. Wishful thinking. My gut still tells me that they'll pick a WR though. I just think Zorn, being a former QB and former QB coach, has his QB and he'll want him to get his big target. I think adding a big WR via free agency is less likely given that the team has already invested a ton of $$ in Randel El and Lloyd. They haven't gotten the greatest return on investment. ARE has been decent, but probably not worth the money he got at the time.

I'm hoping they address the WR issue through FA, via either Hackett or Bryant Johnson. Drafting WR's DL's is a crapshoot that usually takes time to pay off anyway. Zorn's already said that this isn't at team that's rebuilding, so I hope that's how that sentiment is applied here.

I fixed the above because it could be said that way too.

 

[redman]

Examiner

Here are five players the Redskins could be eyeing for their first-round pick (21st overall), based partly on how they do at the combine:

Calais Campbell, Miami, DE » One scout compared him to Mario Williams, the No. 1 pick in 2006. He described the 6-foot-8 Campbell as a “freak of an athlete.” But his lack of production in some games is the primary reason why he might be available. Campbell’s agent, Gary Wichard, is a longtime friend of Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins executive vice president of football operations.

Lawrence Jackson, USC, DE » He needs a good showing after a poor week during the Senior Bowl. That’s dropped him to a second-round projection. But, with 30 1/2 career sacks, he was productive. Florida’s Derrick Harvey might be a better option, though he could be gone by 21.

Quentin Groves, Auburn, DE » Groves might end up playing outside linebacker in a 3-4. One league source said the Redskins liked him an awful lot early, but cooled on him after some interviews. He could easily drop to the second round.

Jeff Otah, Pitt, OT » Could easily be gone by the time Washington picks. With right tackle Jon Jansen coming off his second season-ending injury in four seasons, Otah could fill a need here. He also can play left tackle.

Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma, WR » At 6-foot-4, 215 pounds, he could provide the big receiver Washington lacks. He was adept at breaking tackles in college and considered a good route-runner. But he only caught two passes in the red zone as a senior.

What I like about Lawrence "LoJack" Jackson is that he played LDE in a 4-3 all through college in a major program, in a major conference, x4 years. I don't know if he'll be a stud, but I wouldn't expect him to bust at all.

I like Jackson too, I was actually hoping that he'll continue to tumble so he'd be there for when the Skins pick in round 2. Wishful thinking. My gut still tells me that they'll pick a WR though. I just think Zorn, being a former QB and former QB coach, has his QB and he'll want him to get his big target. I think adding a big WR via free agency is less likely given that the team has already invested a ton of $$ in Randel El and Lloyd. They haven't gotten the greatest return on investment. ARE has been decent, but probably not worth the money he got at the time.

I'm hoping they address the WR issue through FA, via either Hackett or Bryant Johnson. Drafting WR's DL's is a crapshoot that usually takes time to pay off anyway. Zorn's already said that this isn't at team that's rebuilding, so I hope that's how that sentiment is applied here.

I fixed the above because it could be said that way too.

I'm not sure I agree. Certainly all players who end up being successful picks tend to improve over time, but DE's usually can contribute more immediately than can many other positions. It's a trait of the positions that emphasize athleticism over mental mastery of the defense, hot reads, etc. There just isn't as much of a mental component to the game as there is with WR's. It's comparable to RB or CB in that regard. I agree that there's no guarantees with any draft pick though. Another reason I favor the pick of a guy like Jackson is that the team just flat out needs to invest in its lines. I'm tired of seeing this team being built backwards on both sides of the ball, from the outer positions in rather than vice versa, especially on defense. A good defensive line that can make plays on its own can cover up a lot of mediocrity elsewhere on defense.