****OFFICIAL**** 2008 Washington Redskins Off Season Thread! (1 Viewer)

[Swing 51]

for the updates!

 

[AB in DC]

Washington Times on draft and player thinking

"Our cap situation is OK," executive vice president/football operations Vinny Cerrato said yesterday at the NFL Scouting Combine. "There are limited guys in free agency and the price they'll be paid will be astronomical. I don't foresee us being a big player.".................

Interesting. Sounds like Cerrato is trying prove that he's not Snyder's lackey any more.

 

[redman]

Washington Times on draft and player thinking

"Our cap situation is OK," executive vice president/football operations Vinny Cerrato said yesterday at the NFL Scouting Combine. "There are limited guys in free agency and the price they'll be paid will be astronomical. I don't foresee us being a big player.".................

Interesting. Sounds like Cerrato is trying prove that he's not Snyder's lackey any more.

I think (hope?) they're continuing the post-2000 trend of not blowing huge team resources on veterans who are past their prime. I also think they know that all of the restructuring in the world won't allow them to sign guys like Samuel or Moss, so they need to tailor their moves to their resources.

It looks to me like they're going to sign guys to plug some holes that will not easily be plugged (in the short term at least) in the draft, like Florence at nickel CB, Hackett or Bryant at WR2, and someone at LB. The draft looks to me like it will be aimed at drafting depth/future starters on both lines, which is much needed.

 

[Max Power]

Some Skins Rumors....

Redskins | Team could pursue J. Porter

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:54 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins may try to trade for Oakland Raiders WR Jerry Porter.

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Redskins | Team may try to trade for J. Walker

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:21 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins may attempt to trade for Denver Broncos WR Javon Walker if they are unable to obtain Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson.

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Redskins | Team trying to grab C. Johnson

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:02 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins are attempting to trade for Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson.

 

[redman]

Some Skins Rumors....Redskins | Team could pursue J. PorterSun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:54 -0800Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins may try to trade for Oakland Raiders WR Jerry Porter.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Redskins | Team may try to trade for J. WalkerSun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:21 -0800Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins may attempt to trade for Denver Broncos WR Javon Walker if they are unable to obtain Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Redskins | Team trying to grab C. JohnsonSun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:02 -0800Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins are attempting to trade for Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson.

Bill Williamson of the Denver Post is who I always go to to get my Redskins scoops.

 

[thayman]

Some Skins Rumors....Redskins | Team could pursue J. PorterSun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:54 -0800Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins may try to trade for Oakland Raiders WR Jerry Porter.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Redskins | Team may try to trade for J. WalkerSun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:21 -0800Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins may attempt to trade for Denver Broncos WR Javon Walker if they are unable to obtain Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Redskins | Team trying to grab C. JohnsonSun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:02 -0800Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins are attempting to trade for Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson.

Bill Williamson of the Denver Post is who I always go to to get my Redskins scoops.

Jerry Porter is a free agent no?

 

[redman]

Some Skins Rumors....

Redskins | Team could pursue J. Porter

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:54 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins may try to trade for Oakland Raiders WR Jerry Porter.

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Redskins | Team may try to trade for J. Walker

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:21 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins may attempt to trade for Denver Broncos WR Javon Walker if they are unable to obtain Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson.

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Redskins | Team trying to grab C. Johnson

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:02 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins are attempting to trade for Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson.

Bill Williamson of the Denver Post is who I always go to to get my Redskins scoops.

Jerry Porter is a free agent no?

Right, but he said "may". They "may" still try to trade for him, and won't that be embarrassing!

 

[southeastjerome]

Some Skins Rumors....

Redskins | Team could pursue J. Porter

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:54 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins may try to trade for Oakland Raiders WR Jerry Porter.

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Redskins | Team may try to trade for J. Walker

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:21 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins may attempt to trade for Denver Broncos WR Javon Walker if they are unable to obtain Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson.

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Redskins | Team trying to grab C. Johnson

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:00:02 -0800

Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports the Washington Redskins are attempting to trade for Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Johnson.

Bill Williamson of the Denver Post is who I always go to to get my Redskins scoops.

Jerry Porter is a free agent no?

Right, but he said "may". They "may" still try to trade for him, and won't that be embarrassing!

Went to the Denver Post website and this is the actual blurb that Williamson wrote:

Walker to Washington?

Believe the reports that the Redskins are going to try to pry receiver Chad Johnson from Cincinnati. Johnson has been vocal about his desire to be dealt but Bengals coach Marvin Lewis recently said the Pro Bowl player will not be traded.

If Johnson isn't traded, the Redskins could turn their attention to Javon Walker, who, like Johnson, wants to be traded. Yet, unlike Cincinnati, Denver wants to accommodate Walker with a trade.

Washington and Denver have been willing trading partners in the past and could easily make a deal. If not Walker, Washington could pursue Oakland's Jerry Porter.

Total speculation on his part, no sources quoted or anything like that. I know other folks here are against it, but I would be for trading a conditional draft pick for Walker based on how much he plays. I wouldn't want to deal any more than a 4th rounder though. The first round guys in the draft do not excite me a ton and there is definately a need at WR. I like Hackett too, but I have a feeling someone is going to throw too much money at him. Hackett has injury concerns just like Walker, and Walker is much more proven.

 

[AB in DC]

Poor use of the word "reports".

 

[ThePittbully]

I know nothing about Zorn, can someone tell me what they expect this coaching change to do to the value of Cooley and Portis?

 

[redman]

I know nothing about Zorn, can someone tell me what they expect this coaching change to do to the value of Cooley and Portis?

Those two guys will likely have their value remain constant, if not increase slightly (Cooley due to the emphasis on the TE in the WCO passing game; Portis because of more receptions opportunities). I'm less optimistic about the receivers and Campbell, at least in the short term, because of the adjustments in the passing game.

 

[fatness]

The combine is the second step of a five-part process for teams, following a meeting at the Senior Bowl or East-West Shrine Game. Most prospects have a Pro Day on their campus. Teams then schedule on-campus individual workouts and are also allowed to bring 30 prospects to their headquarters.

"We'll spend a lot of time with some of these guys," Redskins director of player personnel Scott Campbell said. Campbell selects the 60-player list (the maximum allowed) and submits it a month before the combine so organizers can create a schedule. Some of the top players will have 25 interviews. With the Redskins, the position coach asks most of the questions. When the team interviewed quarterbacks Thursday, coach Jim Zorn — who will double as quarterbacks coach — was vocal. Campbell introduces the player to other Redskins personnel in the room and asks introductory questions, leaving 10 to 12 minutes for the coaches.

"What I try to do is get an idea of whether they know football," Zorn said. "How do they react at the line of scrimmage? Could they change the play? Were they in the shotgun? I'm trying to find out where they fit in their offense, if they were really taught football and if they're knowledgeable — I'll have him talk us through a play or a read. You get a pretty good feel for who they are."

Washington Times

 

[fatness]

Better Washington Times article

But there should be plenty of "but what ifs ..." involved in any discussion about the Redskins' offensive line as the organization continues to look at prospects at the NFL Scouting Combine. What if Jansen's broken/dislocated ankle and Thomas' torn triceps muscle — injuries that limited them to a combined four games — cause problems? What if Kendall's arthritic knees finally give out? What if the durable Samuels and Rabach miss more than a game?

Stage 1 of upgrading the offensive line begins Friday in free agency, although the Redskins aren't in the market for a starter and the only likely move would be re-signing Jason Fabini, who started 13 games last season. Mike Pucillo (who has a back injury) and Rick DeMulling also are free agents. Reserve tackle Todd Wade remains under contract.

Stage 1A could involve making two-way player Lorenzo Alexander exclusively an offensive linemen, likely a guard.

Stage 2 is the more important part for the Redskins, who have only one "young" lineman on the roster — reserve tackle Stephon Heyer. This is the more likely scenario by which the Redskins will add depth.

This appears to be the right year to look for an offensive lineman. "It's the best group I've seen in 24 years collectively, and it was a good group before the juniors were added," Pittsburgh Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert said. "The majority of them can play the left side or both sides. It's unusual to have that many guys that big and that athletic and that productive."

Redskins director of player personnel Scott Campbell said six or seven tackles could receive first- or second-round grades. "It's an unusual year for offensive tackles — to have this many athletic tackles is rare," Campbell said. "There's also going to be opportunities for teams to get a good, athletic swing guy who can play guard or center."

 

[DCThunder]

Better Washington Times article

But there should be plenty of "but what ifs ..." involved in any discussion about the Redskins' offensive line as the organization continues to look at prospects at the NFL Scouting Combine. What if Jansen's broken/dislocated ankle and Thomas' torn triceps muscle — injuries that limited them to a combined four games — cause problems? What if Kendall's arthritic knees finally give out? What if the durable Samuels and Rabach miss more than a game?

Stage 1 of upgrading the offensive line begins Friday in free agency, although the Redskins aren't in the market for a starter and the only likely move would be re-signing Jason Fabini, who started 13 games last season. Mike Pucillo (who has a back injury) and Rick DeMulling also are free agents. Reserve tackle Todd Wade remains under contract.

Stage 1A could involve making two-way player Lorenzo Alexander exclusively an offensive linemen, likely a guard.

Stage 2 is the more important part for the Redskins, who have only one "young" lineman on the roster — reserve tackle Stephon Heyer. This is the more likely scenario by which the Redskins will add depth.

This appears to be the right year to look for an offensive lineman. "It's the best group I've seen in 24 years collectively, and it was a good group before the juniors were added," Pittsburgh Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert said. "The majority of them can play the left side or both sides. It's unusual to have that many guys that big and that athletic and that productive."

Redskins director of player personnel Scott Campbell said six or seven tackles could receive first- or second-round grades. "It's an unusual year for offensive tackles — to have this many athletic tackles is rare," Campbell said. "There's also going to be opportunities for teams to get a good, athletic swing guy who can play guard or center."

Did you see the article in the Post on Saturday about Andrew Crummey, the OG out of Maryland who broke his leg mid season, game back for the final regualr season game and the bowl game for the Terps and then re-broke the leg in the Senior Bowl and so had to miss the combine and won't have a pro-day? I'd love to have the Skins sign or draft him late, since he may slip through the cracks of a lot of teams because of his injury. It's alto too bad they didn't take a flyer on Gaither the OT out of Maryland who was drafted in the supplemental draft last season by the Ravens and may be Jonathan Ogden's replacement.

 

[redman]

Better Washington Times article

But there should be plenty of "but what ifs ..." involved in any discussion about the Redskins' offensive line as the organization continues to look at prospects at the NFL Scouting Combine. What if Jansen's broken/dislocated ankle and Thomas' torn triceps muscle — injuries that limited them to a combined four games — cause problems? What if Kendall's arthritic knees finally give out? What if the durable Samuels and Rabach miss more than a game?

Stage 1 of upgrading the offensive line begins Friday in free agency, although the Redskins aren't in the market for a starter and the only likely move would be re-signing Jason Fabini, who started 13 games last season. Mike Pucillo (who has a back injury) and Rick DeMulling also are free agents. Reserve tackle Todd Wade remains under contract.

Stage 1A could involve making two-way player Lorenzo Alexander exclusively an offensive linemen, likely a guard.

Stage 2 is the more important part for the Redskins, who have only one "young" lineman on the roster — reserve tackle Stephon Heyer. This is the more likely scenario by which the Redskins will add depth.

This appears to be the right year to look for an offensive lineman. "It's the best group I've seen in 24 years collectively, and it was a good group before the juniors were added," Pittsburgh Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert said. "The majority of them can play the left side or both sides. It's unusual to have that many guys that big and that athletic and that productive."

Redskins director of player personnel Scott Campbell said six or seven tackles could receive first- or second-round grades. "It's an unusual year for offensive tackles — to have this many athletic tackles is rare," Campbell said. "There's also going to be opportunities for teams to get a good, athletic swing guy who can play guard or center."

Did you see the article in the Post on Saturday about Andrew Crummey, the OG out of Maryland who broke his leg mid season, game back for the final regualr season game and the bowl game for the Terps and then re-broke the leg in the Senior Bowl and so had to miss the combine and won't have a pro-day? I'd love to have the Skins sign or draft him late, since he may slip through the cracks of a lot of teams because of his injury. It's alto too bad they didn't take a flyer on Gaither the OT out of Maryland who was drafted in the supplemental draft last season by the Ravens and may be Jonathan Ogden's replacement.

 

[DCThunder]

Better Washington Times article

But there should be plenty of "but what ifs ..." involved in any discussion about the Redskins' offensive line as the organization continues to look at prospects at the NFL Scouting Combine. What if Jansen's broken/dislocated ankle and Thomas' torn triceps muscle — injuries that limited them to a combined four games — cause problems? What if Kendall's arthritic knees finally give out? What if the durable Samuels and Rabach miss more than a game?

Stage 1 of upgrading the offensive line begins Friday in free agency, although the Redskins aren't in the market for a starter and the only likely move would be re-signing Jason Fabini, who started 13 games last season. Mike Pucillo (who has a back injury) and Rick DeMulling also are free agents. Reserve tackle Todd Wade remains under contract.

Stage 1A could involve making two-way player Lorenzo Alexander exclusively an offensive linemen, likely a guard.

Stage 2 is the more important part for the Redskins, who have only one "young" lineman on the roster — reserve tackle Stephon Heyer. This is the more likely scenario by which the Redskins will add depth.

This appears to be the right year to look for an offensive lineman. "It's the best group I've seen in 24 years collectively, and it was a good group before the juniors were added," Pittsburgh Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert said. "The majority of them can play the left side or both sides. It's unusual to have that many guys that big and that athletic and that productive."

Redskins director of player personnel Scott Campbell said six or seven tackles could receive first- or second-round grades. "It's an unusual year for offensive tackles — to have this many athletic tackles is rare," Campbell said. "There's also going to be opportunities for teams to get a good, athletic swing guy who can play guard or center."

Did you see the article in the Post on Saturday about Andrew Crummey, the OG out of Maryland who broke his leg mid season, game back for the final regualr season game and the bowl game for the Terps and then re-broke the leg in the Senior Bowl and so had to miss the combine and won't have a pro-day? I'd love to have the Skins sign or draft him late, since he may slip through the cracks of a lot of teams because of his injury. It's alto too bad they didn't take a flyer on Gaither the OT out of Maryland who was drafted in the supplemental draft last season by the Ravens and may be Jonathan Ogden's replacement.

I forgot to add that the article also said that Crummey would be fully healed by the time training camps open and probably much sooner.

 

[fatness]

Chris Samuels has reportedly restructured his contract, adding 2 more years to it and saving a little over $3 million in cap room for the team. I thought he had a hell of a good year last year, too.

 

[redman]

Chris Samuels has reportedly restructured his contract, adding 2 more years to it and saving a little over $3 million in cap room for the team. I thought he had a hell of a good year last year, too.

They may be in Cap Hell, but they certainly come up with the coin to pay the boatman across the River Styx every offseason.

 

[southeastjerome]

Chris Samuels has reportedly restructured his contract, adding 2 more years to it and saving a little over $3 million in cap room for the team. I thought he had a hell of a good year last year, too.

This is good news. Samuels was solid and definately a guy they can lean on. I guess this is what the Skins do, restructure contracts. I'd love to see a layout of the amount of restructuring the Redskins have done vs. other teams.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Expect them to do more restructuring, counting on a cap-free year in 2011.

Don't be surprised when they make another big splash in free agency.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Expect them to do more restructuring, counting on a cap-free year in 2011.

Don't be surprised when they make another big splash in free agency.

How true is this????

 

[nittanylion]

http://community.heraldonline.com/panthers..._their_big_back

Stephen Davis retiring...as a Panther.

Boy, was he a stalwart in his days in Burgundy and Gold.

Marty worked him like a mule in 2001. 356 carries! That still remains my favorite 'skins Season since the end of Gibbs I...Gibbs would have LOVED the guy.

...glad he got the chance to go to a Super Bowl, even though it was with another Team...

GB, Big Country!

 

[redman]

http://community.heraldonline.com/panthers..._their_big_back

Stephen Davis retiring...as a Panther.

Boy, was he a stalwart in his days in Burgundy and Gold.

Marty worked him like a mule in 2001. 356 carries! That still remains my favorite 'skins Season since the end of Gibbs I...Gibbs would have LOVED the guy.

...glad he got the chance to go to a Super Bowl, even though it was with another Team...

GB, Big Country!

You tend to run a guy like Davis hard when you've got Tony Banks and Jeff George throwing to Michael Westbrook and Rod Gardner in the West Coast Offense. That offense made the 2004 offense look like the 1999 Rams.

 

[dgreen]

http://community.heraldonline.com/panthers..._their_big_back

Stephen Davis retiring...as a Panther.

Boy, was he a stalwart in his days in Burgundy and Gold.

Marty worked him like a mule in 2001. 356 carries! That still remains my favorite 'skins Season since the end of Gibbs I...Gibbs would have LOVED the guy.

...glad he got the chance to go to a Super Bowl, even though it was with another Team...

GB, Big Country!

You tend to run a guy like Davis hard when you've got Tony Banks and Jeff George throwing to Michael Westbrook and Rod Gardner in the West Coast Offense. That offense made the 2004 offense look like the 1999 Rams.

Remember the audible?

 

[Bizkiteer]

http://community.heraldonline.com/panthers..._their_big_back

Stephen Davis retiring...as a Panther.

Boy, was he a stalwart in his days in Burgundy and Gold.

Marty worked him like a mule in 2001. 356 carries! That still remains my favorite 'skins Season since the end of Gibbs I...Gibbs would have LOVED the guy.

...glad he got the chance to go to a Super Bowl, even though it was with another Team...

GB, Big Country!

You tend to run a guy like Davis hard when you've got Tony Banks and Jeff George throwing to Michael Westbrook and Rod Gardner in the West Coast Offense. That offense made the 2004 offense look like the 1999 Rams.

I think it's telling that he wanted to retire a Panther though. His best year was with the 'Skins and they drafted him, but his heart is with the team that decided to pay him later in his career. Not going to really bash him on it, but I think it's interesting to say the least.

 

[redman]

http://community.heraldonline.com/panthers..._their_big_back

Stephen Davis retiring...as a Panther.

Boy, was he a stalwart in his days in Burgundy and Gold.

Marty worked him like a mule in 2001. 356 carries! That still remains my favorite 'skins Season since the end of Gibbs I...Gibbs would have LOVED the guy.

...glad he got the chance to go to a Super Bowl, even though it was with another Team...

GB, Big Country!

You tend to run a guy like Davis hard when you've got Tony Banks and Jeff George throwing to Michael Westbrook and Rod Gardner in the West Coast Offense. That offense made the 2004 offense look like the 1999 Rams. :X

I think it's telling that he wanted to retire a Panther though. His best year was with the 'Skins and they drafted him, but his heart is with the team that decided to pay him later in his career. Not going to really bash him on it, but I think it's interesting to say the least.

Plus, he had three Pro Bowl caliber years with the 'Skins, and only one good one with the Panthers, though it was a Super Bowl year. It may have to do with perceived treatment by Snyder, though I felt it was fair and was a classic example of getting rid of a player the proverbial year too early rather than a year too late.

A little surprising though.

 

[PantherPower]

S.Davis grew up in Spartanburg, SC, he's a Carolina boy at heart. I think that is why he wanted to retire a Panther.

 

[redman]

S.Davis grew up in Spartanburg, SC, he's a Carolina boy at heart. I think that is why he wanted to retire a Panther.

I'd forgotten about that. Of course, that cuts both ways, given that in his pre-college years the Panthers didn't exist, and the 'Skins were generally the team that most Carolinians rooted for (and many still do).

 

[Dexter Manley]

Jerry: Owners may opt out of CBAPosted: Tuesday February 26, 2008 04:04AM ETCowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones believes there is a good chance ownership will opt out of the current labor agreement with the NFL Players Association by the November deadline. Jones did not give the Cowboys' opinion of the deal. Several owners, however, such as Denver's Pat Bowlen and New England's Robert Kraft, have expressed dissatisfaction. Twenty-four of 32 votes would be needed to keep the collective bargaining agreement in place. If the owners opt out, the current structure will stay in place through 2010; 2011 would be an uncapped season. NFLPA president Gene Upshaw has said once there is an uncapped year, a salary cap would never return.Dallas Morning News

While this would be obviously be bad news for the NFL as a whole, this is fantastic news for the Redskins, for obvious reasons. It's starting to look more and more likely this will go down, and once there's an uncapped year, I don't see any way they'll ever be able to bring the cap back, as the union will never agree to it.

 

[fatness]

a little bit more renegotiating and they'll be far enough under the cap to think about some modest free-agent spending.

From the mountain of a salary cap overage of more than $20 million in January, the Redskins have whittled that total down to a relative molehill of $1.2 million with the deadline to be at the $116 million limit at midnight Friday.

The Redskins cleared $6.3 million by redoing the deals of their longest-tenured players, starting offensive tackle Jon Jansen and Chris Samuels.

Now the Redskins just need to redo one more player -- running back Clinton Portis, receiver Santana Moss, quarterback Mark Brunell, defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin and linebacker Marcus Washington are the likeliest targets -- to get below the NFL's mandated cap limit for the start of the free agent signing period on Friday.

David Elfin

 

[dgreen]

a little bit more renegotiating and they'll be far enough under the cap to think about some modest free-agent spending.

From the mountain of a salary cap overage of more than $20 million in January, the Redskins have whittled that total down to a relative molehill of $1.2 million with the deadline to be at the $116 million limit at midnight Friday.

The Redskins cleared $6.3 million by redoing the deals of their longest-tenured players, starting offensive tackle Jon Jansen and Chris Samuels.

Now the Redskins just need to redo one more player -- running back Clinton Portis, receiver Santana Moss, quarterback Mark Brunell, defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin and linebacker Marcus Washington are the likeliest targets -- to get below the NFL's mandated cap limit for the start of the free agent signing period on Friday.

David Elfin

JLC's latest post has them $3M under the cap.

 

[fatness]

JLC's latest post has them $3M under the cap.

I get the feeling that the cap isn't an exact science for the reporters. Og: How many rock in that pile?Thag: Lots.Og: Move some rock to other pile.Thag: *grunts*Og: How many rock in that pile now?Thag: Less.

 

[redman]

JLC's latest post has them $3M under the cap.

I get the feeling that the cap isn't an exact science for the reporters. Og: How many rock in that pile?Thag: Lots.Og: Move some rock to other pile.Thag: *grunts*Og: How many rock in that pile now?Thag: Less.

This reminds me of a story my grandfather told about some tribe of islanders out in the Pacific during WWII whose number system consisted of five numbers: 0, 1, 2, 3 and "more than 3". Their tiny world, restricted to a small set of islands, was such that if there was more than three of something it didn't really interest them. It made asking questions like, "How many enemy are there?" a bit interesting.

 

[DCThunder]

S.Davis grew up in Spartanburg, SC, he's a Carolina boy at heart. I think that is why he wanted to retire a Panther.

I'd forgotten about that. Of course, that cuts both ways, given that in his pre-college years the Panthers didn't exist, and the 'Skins were generally the team that most Carolinians rooted for (and many still do).

Big Country should retire as a Redskin because if Westbrook didn't sucker punch him at training camp that year, he'd have never amounted to much of anything. Remember he was a blocking back for Terry Allen in his first three years with the Maroon and Black and The Punch seemed to get him going..

 

[Lowen1]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...

Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with team

Associated Press

Updated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET

ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.

He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.

Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.

The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

 

[redman]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with teamAssociated PressUpdated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

One of the worst deals they made in the last 15 years. How they could have misjudged this badly on what makes him tick is beyond me. Simply awful, and embarrassingly so.

 

[Rozelle]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...

Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with team

Associated Press

Updated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET

ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.

He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.

Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.

The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

One of the worst deals they made in the last 15 years. How they could have misjudged this badly on what makes him tick is beyond me. Simply awful, and embarrassingly so.

Lloyd definatley was not the same player he was in Frisco. Lotsa $$ and 2 draft picks wasted ... I look for him to wind up in Chicago and re-unite with his college HC (OC Ron Turner).

 

[DCThunder]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...

Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with team

Associated Press

Updated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET

ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.

He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.

Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.

The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

One of the worst deals they made in the last 15 years. How they could have misjudged this badly on what makes him tick is beyond me. Simply awful, and embarrassingly so.

Lloyd definatley was not the same player he was in Frisco. Lotsa $$ and 2 draft picks wasted ... I look for him to wind up in Chicago and re-unite with his college HC (OC Ron Turner).

Where he will STILL suck!

 

[fatness]

Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with team

 

[thayman]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with teamAssociated PressUpdated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

One of the worst deals they made in the last 15 years. How they could have misjudged this badly on what makes him tick is beyond me. Simply awful, and embarrassingly so.

losing the picks sucked, but the money was no big deal. I was hoping it would be a nice shot at getting a WR that could have been pretty special for relatively cheap.

 

[redman]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with teamAssociated PressUpdated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

One of the worst deals they made in the last 15 years. How they could have misjudged this badly on what makes him tick is beyond me. Simply awful, and embarrassingly so.

losing the picks sucked, but the money was no big deal. I was hoping it would be a nice shot at getting a WR that could have been pretty special for relatively cheap.

The intent was fine, it was the execution that was an abortion.

 

[southeastjerome]

Can someone answer for me definitively whether or not the 'Skins have their 4th round pick? I've read that they have all their picks and I've read that they have all but their 4th (Duckett trade)

 

[Marvelous]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with teamAssociated PressUpdated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

One of the worst deals they made in the last 15 years. How they could have misjudged this badly on what makes him tick is beyond me. Simply awful, and embarrassingly so.

losing the picks sucked, but the money was no big deal. I was hoping it would be a nice shot at getting a WR that could have been pretty special for relatively cheap.

I think the money is a big deal too. With $10M, they could have signed a potentially productive free agent.With the 3rd and 4th round draft picks, they could have drafted two prospects who could be contributing to the team with very little against the cap. The Redskins blew this deal big time.

 

[Marvelous]

Can someone answer for me definitively whether or not the 'Skins have their 4th round pick? I've read that they have all their picks and I've read that they have all but their 4th (Duckett trade)

According to this site the Redskins' 4th rounder is part of the Duckett trade. They list all of the trades involving draft picks.

 

[drifer]

Anybody have any idea on the cap hit yet?

 

[fatness]

How far he's fallen.

Brandon Lloyd's 2006 Training Camp Journal

This offense is all about making plays downfield, with the pass going to the best available target. Someone asked me after the scrimmage, "Did the receivers have a talk about how there aren't enough passes to go around?" Answer: NO! That is a conversation not worth conversing. There is one ball and a million plays to be made and we have the players to make them. We talk about that. And no matter who makes them, we are ALL excited!

 

[fatness]

This reminds me of a story my grandfather told about some tribe of islanders out in the Pacific during WWII whose number system consisted of five numbers: 0, 1, 2, 3 and "more than 3". Their tiny world, restricted to a small set of islands, was such that if there was more than three of something it didn't really interest them.

I just massively simplified my life.

 

[buster c]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with teamAssociated PressUpdated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

One of the worst deals they made in the last 15 years. How they could have misjudged this badly on what makes him tick is beyond me. Simply awful, and embarrassingly so.

yet nobody within the power structure at the time has taken responsibility for it

 

[nittanylion]

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/26/...his-rap-career/

...check out the video...

...Pure. Gold.

 

[thayman]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with teamAssociated PressUpdated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

One of the worst deals they made in the last 15 years. How they could have misjudged this badly on what makes him tick is beyond me. Simply awful, and embarrassingly so.

losing the picks sucked, but the money was no big deal. I was hoping it would be a nice shot at getting a WR that could have been pretty special for relatively cheap.

The intent was fine, it was the execution that was an abortion.

See there you go again being so negative. Yes it was a horrid way to go about it, BUT.......it was such a huge improvement over the aquisition of Mark Brunell therefore we have made progress.See when you look at it that way it makes you feel better.