****OFFICIAL**** 2008 Washington Redskins Off Season Thread! (1 Viewer)

[thayman]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with teamAssociated PressUpdated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

One of the worst deals they made in the last 15 years. How they could have misjudged this badly on what makes him tick is beyond me. Simply awful, and embarrassingly so.

losing the picks sucked, but the money was no big deal. I was hoping it would be a nice shot at getting a WR that could have been pretty special for relatively cheap.

I think the money is a big deal too. With $10M, they could have signed a potentially productive free agent.With the 3rd and 4th round draft picks, they could have drafted two prospects who could be contributing to the team with very little against the cap. The Redskins blew this deal big time.

Less money for FA has been a good thing I think. I'd rather them be forced to rely on the draft. One of the best things about this year is the fact that Moss is a UFA and the Skins have no chance at signing him. Even disregarding Moss's supposed desire to stay in New England, the Skins don't have the money to throw at him. Forcing them to rely on the draft more and more and seeing that is how they should build their team.

 

[Sidewinder16]

SAY IT AIN'T SO...

Redskins cut Lloyd after disappointing stay with team

Associated Press

Updated: February 26, 2008, 5:35 PM ET

ASHBURN, Va. -- Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd was released by the Washington Redskins, ending his disappointing stay with the team.

He caught only 25 passes with no touchdowns in two seasons with the Redskins. His totals were two catches for 14 yards last season, when he broke his collarbone in November.

Lloyd already had fallen out of favor with the team because of his work ethic and lack of productivity.

The Redskins traded two draft picks to the San Francisco 49ers to acquire Lloyd before the 2006 season. They then signed him to a long-term contract that included $10 million in guaranteed money.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

One of the worst deals they made in the last 15 years. How they could have misjudged this badly on what makes him tick is beyond me. Simply awful, and embarrassingly so.

yet nobody within the power structure at the time has taken responsibility for it

Apparently Cerrato has.Highlights of a radio interview on Bram Weinstein's blog:

He said he accepts all responsibility for moves that did not work out such as Adam Archuletta, Brandon Lloyd and TJ Duckett

...

He also wanted to be clear, "No one is going to be perfect, but I am accountable."

 

[Sidewinder16]

Anybody have any idea on the cap hit yet?

From today's WaPo:

His release, long anticipated, does not save Washington any immediate salary cap space, with the free agency and trade period beginning at 12:01 a.m. Friday, but will create additional room this June. Lloyd, who could not be reached to comment, was designated a June 1 cut for salary cap purposes, executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said, which means his salary cap figure of $4.2 million will drop to $1.8 million on June 1. (Lloyd will count $5.5 million in dead cap space in 2009.)

 

[fatness]

Also from today's Post

Owner Daniel Snyder and Cerrato have made acquiring an elite wide receiver a top priority this offseason, with Lloyd's departure an expected precursor. Team officials have serious interest in trading for Cincinnati's Chad Johnson should be become available, sources said, while free agents Randy Moss and D.J. Hackett are possible targets as well.

 

[fatness]

Washington Times

The Redskins are about $1.2 million over the cap with the deadline just two days away. But even if they don't rework the deals of any more veterans, they will be well if veteran quarterback Mark Brunell's $6.5 million contract for 2008 voids as expected.

The Redskins don't have any projected starters who will become free agents Friday. Their biggest potential losses are punter Derrick Frost, special teams standout Rock Cartwright, quarterback Todd Collins, offensive lineman Jason Fabini, linebacker Randall Godfrey, receiver Keenan McCardell and safety Pierson Prioleau. None of those players, if retained, will break the bank.

 

[DCThunder]

Washington Times

The Redskins are about $1.2 million over the cap with the deadline just two days away. But even if they don't rework the deals of any more veterans, they will be well if veteran quarterback Mark Brunell's $6.5 million contract for 2008 voids as expected.

The Redskins don't have any projected starters who will become free agents Friday. Their biggest potential losses are punter Derrick Frost, special teams standout Rock Cartwright, quarterback Todd Collins, offensive lineman Jason Fabini, linebacker Randall Godfrey, receiver Keenan McCardell and safety Pierson Prioleau. None of those players, if retained, will break the bank.

I'd love for Derrick Frost to be signed by someone else. Then maybe we could get a decent punter for a change. The last good punter we had was Mike Bragg and that was 20 years ago.

 

[dgreen]

Washington Times

The Redskins are about $1.2 million over the cap with the deadline just two days away. But even if they don't rework the deals of any more veterans, they will be well if veteran quarterback Mark Brunell's $6.5 million contract for 2008 voids as expected.

The Redskins don't have any projected starters who will become free agents Friday. Their biggest potential losses are punter Derrick Frost, special teams standout Rock Cartwright, quarterback Todd Collins, offensive lineman Jason Fabini, linebacker Randall Godfrey, receiver Keenan McCardell and safety Pierson Prioleau. None of those players, if retained, will break the bank.

I'd love for Derrick Frost to be signed by someone else. Then maybe we could get a decent punter for a change.

Guy is horrible.

The last good punter we had was Mike Bragg and that was 20 years ago.

Jeff Hayes down? Steve Cox down? Hey, we had Reggie Roby one year.

 

[fatness]

JLC on Redskin free agents

The Redskins have had discussions trying to keep many of their free agents, but there is little doubt many of them will hit the market. In some cases, the team believes players might return in a few weeks because the cash won't be out there on the open market. We shall see.

They met with QB Todd Collins's agent again at the combine, sources said, and hope to re-sign him. At this point they will likely talk again before Friday but with at least 4 other teams interested in him, Collins will probably see what's out there. However, sources said he would let the Redskins have a chance to match any offer.

P Derrick Frost could re-sign with the team today, with the sides speaking again at the combine and hashing out a contract.

RB Rock Cartwright expects to hit the market; perhaps he'll come back but he wants at least $2 million guaranteed and that's not in the cards here right now.

G Jason Fabini has enough experience and played well enough as a starting guards that there is outside in him as well, so he could re-sign here but likely not until after Friday.

The Redskins have expressed interest in S Pierson Prioleau and LB Randall Godfrey, but they are both set to hit the market and could both end up in Jacksonville.

David Macklin and Brian Kozlowski are not in the plans right now. Omar Stoutmire seems to turn back up at Redskins Park all the time, so they could always reach out to him again late in free agency, with safety depth a concern. Mike Pucillo's career might be over after a serious back injury and the team will sign another C/G to replace him.

The Redskins are seeking upgrades at WR, and Keenan McCardell may retire. WR Reche Caldwell could return at some point for depth as well, with Brandon Lloyd gone.

I would not be surprised to see DT Ryan Boschetti back here at some point this off season as well on a vet min deal trying to fight for one of the final roster spots. Greg Blache loves the kid's fight and attitude.

 

[fatness]

Redskins to Be Selective Shoppers on Open Market

Unlike in most years of owner Daniel Snyder's regime, there are no plans for an immediate plunge into free agency, Cerrato said, and no intentions of entertaining a slew of would-be Redskins when the signing period begins at 12:01 a.m. tomorrow.

Coming off a playoff season, the Redskins say they are putting more of a priority on retaining draft choices, developing their young players and learning from their days of errant spending on big-name free agents. But even if the opening days of the free agency/trading period are indeed more tranquil than in years past, that will not preclude the team from exploring numerous options to procure talent as Jim Zorn enters his first season as an NFL head coach.

This is a shallow free agent pool, made even thinner by the preponderance of teams putting franchise tags on players. The Redskins also have limited salary cap space, though more could be created quickly by restructuring existing contracts. "With the free agency this year, there's not as many guys out there that there have been in the past," Cerrato said. "Over 50 percent of the free agents out there played less than 20 percent of the time. There's only going to be maybe 70 guys out there that have started eight games or more. So it's not a big crop. A lot of guys are going to re-sign probably before Friday. So it's a very limited group of players. I think there'll be a lot of crazy money spent early and things will settle down after that, which is kind of normal."

Snyder and Cerrato covet Cincinnati wide receiver Chad Johnson, but the Bengals remain steadfast they will not deal him. Washington also has interest in free agent wide receiver D.J. Hackett of the Seattle Seahawks, league sources said, but only at the right price.

Defensive line also is an area of interest, but it could be a primary target in the draft. Cerrato has told several agents that he aims to bolster the pass rush, ideally from the interior of the line. The Redskins might talk to the New York Jets about defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, who is on the trading block.

 

[redman]

Redskins to Be Selective Shoppers on Open Market

Unlike in most years of owner Daniel Snyder's regime, there are no plans for an immediate plunge into free agency, Cerrato said, and no intentions of entertaining a slew of would-be Redskins when the signing period begins at 12:01 a.m. tomorrow.

Coming off a playoff season, the Redskins say they are putting more of a priority on retaining draft choices, developing their young players and learning from their days of errant spending on big-name free agents. But even if the opening days of the free agency/trading period are indeed more tranquil than in years past, that will not preclude the team from exploring numerous options to procure talent as Jim Zorn enters his first season as an NFL head coach.

This is a shallow free agent pool, made even thinner by the preponderance of teams putting franchise tags on players. The Redskins also have limited salary cap space, though more could be created quickly by restructuring existing contracts. "With the free agency this year, there's not as many guys out there that there have been in the past," Cerrato said. "Over 50 percent of the free agents out there played less than 20 percent of the time. There's only going to be maybe 70 guys out there that have started eight games or more. So it's not a big crop. A lot of guys are going to re-sign probably before Friday. So it's a very limited group of players. I think there'll be a lot of crazy money spent early and things will settle down after that, which is kind of normal."

Snyder and Cerrato covet Cincinnati wide receiver Chad Johnson, but the Bengals remain steadfast they will not deal him. Washington also has interest in free agent wide receiver D.J. Hackett of the Seattle Seahawks, league sources said, but only at the right price.

Defensive line also is an area of interest, but it could be a primary target in the draft. Cerrato has told several agents that he aims to bolster the pass rush, ideally from the interior of the line. The Redskins might talk to the New York Jets about defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, who is on the trading block.

If they trade for Robertson I'm going to flip.It's as deep of a year as I can remember for WR talent on the FA market, and as thin as ever for DL, and the opposite in terms of the draft. Draft your DL's this year guys!

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm really surprised that there is not a concrete known plan of who the 'Skins are after this year. Normally the day before, it's kind of understood where Redskin1 is heading and who is on the radar. For some reason, it's just not happening this year....hmmm, tight lipped FO is a new idea when it comes to Snyder ran ship.

As for the FA's...non are sexy this year, other than R. Moss (might not be really available) or A. Samuel (if a team needs a top CB). The WR's are servicable, but not true starters. They all have risk and upside, but are really not proven.

Again, just find it odd that we have no real idea what they are going to do...normally we do the day before FA season.

 

[DCThunder]

I'm really surprised that there is not a concrete known plan of who the 'Skins are after this year. Normally the day before, it's kind of understood where Redskin1 is heading and who is on the radar. For some reason, it's just not happening this year....hmmm, tight lipped FO is a new idea when it comes to Snyder ran ship.As for the FA's...non are sexy this year, other than R. Moss (might not be really available) or A. Samuel (if a team needs a top CB). The WR's are servicable, but not true starters. They all have risk and upside, but are really not proven.Again, just find it odd that we have no real idea what they are going to do...normally we do the day before FA season.

You make this sound like it's a bad thing...

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm really surprised that there is not a concrete known plan of who the 'Skins are after this year. Normally the day before, it's kind of understood where Redskin1 is heading and who is on the radar. For some reason, it's just not happening this year....hmmm, tight lipped FO is a new idea when it comes to Snyder ran ship.As for the FA's...non are sexy this year, other than R. Moss (might not be really available) or A. Samuel (if a team needs a top CB). The WR's are servicable, but not true starters. They all have risk and upside, but are really not proven.Again, just find it odd that we have no real idea what they are going to do...normally we do the day before FA season.

You make this sound like it's a bad thing...

No, it's not a bad thing, but just not used to it...I guess.

 

[Marvelous]

I'm really surprised that there is not a concrete known plan of who the 'Skins are after this year. Normally the day before, it's kind of understood where Redskin1 is heading and who is on the radar. For some reason, it's just not happening this year....hmmm, tight lipped FO is a new idea when it comes to Snyder ran ship.As for the FA's...non are sexy this year, other than R. Moss (might not be really available) or A. Samuel (if a team needs a top CB). The WR's are servicable, but not true starters. They all have risk and upside, but are really not proven.Again, just find it odd that we have no real idea what they are going to do...normally we do the day before FA season.

It really looks like the Redskins are not going to go after anyone when free agency opens tomorrow morning. I am sure they have their sights on some lower tier free agents, but they won't be brought in until the initial frenzy is over.If they go this route, I will be impressed. Two years ago, I thought the free agents available were not that great. But the Redskins went on a spending spree and got Randle El, Carter, Archuleta, and Lloyd (via trade). Sometimes (maybe a lot of times) it is just better to wait.

 

[redman]

I'm really surprised that there is not a concrete known plan of who the 'Skins are after this year. Normally the day before, it's kind of understood where Redskin1 is heading and who is on the radar. For some reason, it's just not happening this year....hmmm, tight lipped FO is a new idea when it comes to Snyder ran ship.As for the FA's...non are sexy this year, other than R. Moss (might not be really available) or A. Samuel (if a team needs a top CB). The WR's are servicable, but not true starters. They all have risk and upside, but are really not proven.Again, just find it odd that we have no real idea what they are going to do...normally we do the day before FA season.

It really looks like the Redskins are not going to go after anyone when free agency opens tomorrow morning. I am sure they have their sights on some lower tier free agents, but they won't be brought in until the initial frenzy is over.If they go this route, I will be impressed. Two years ago, I thought the free agents available were not that great. But the Redskins went on a spending spree and got Randle El, Carter, Archuleta, and Lloyd (via trade). Sometimes (maybe a lot of times) it is just better to wait.

I think Hackett or Johnson, and Florence would be excellent signings (for the right price, obviously) that would qualify as "restrained". I don't think that "restraint" necessarily has to mean "no/crappy signings".

 

[fatness]

I just head-butted the wall.

Collins, Frerotte to switch sides?

 

[fatness]

Free agent or draft pick?

DEFENSIVE END » With Phillip Daniels turning 35 next week, the Redskins need a young end to develop into a starter. Andre Carter is fine, but he applies inconsistent pressure. Demetric Evans is a solid backup.

Top free agents » Justin Smith; Antwan Odom.

Draft or free agency » Draft. By all accounts, there’s an abundance of ends available in the draft, lasting into the second round. Auburn’s Quentin Groves had a strong combine; Miami’s Calais Campbell did not. But options abound.

WIDE RECEIVER » The Redskins — finally — acknowledge that they need a big receiver. Redskins head coach Jim Zorn apparently is a fan of Seattle’s D.J. Hackett and the feeling is mutual, according to one of Hackett’s agents, Jack Mills. But, Mills said the Redskins have not been among the teams discussed when they’ve held internal talks about free agency. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything, however.

Top free agents » Randy Moss, Bernard Berrian, D.J. Hackett, Bryant Johnson.

Draft or free agency » Either. Hackett won’t command big money and Johnson shouldn’t either. There’s also Jerry Porter. In the draft, there’s no elite receiver, but there are plenty of good big ones who could help, such as Oklahoma’s Malcolm Kelly.

DEFENSIVE BACK » The Redskins need depth at corner and safety — even if Reed Doughty is the starter opposite LaRon Landry. They could pursue corner Drayton Florence, demoted to nickelback this past season in San Diego. They could resign safety Pierson Prioleau.

“We’re in talks,” his agent, Brian Mackler, said. “The Redskins have a desire to bring him back, but we’re going to test free agency.”

Top free agents » CB Asante Samuel, S Gibril Wilson, CB Drayton Florence.

Draft or free agency » Neither option is very good. The top college safety, Miami’s Kenny Phillips, continues to slide. There’s not a lot of depth, either. So free agency is probably the best way to go, especially at safety. At corner, the same is true though the second and third rounds should yield help.

OFFENSIVE LINE » Jon Jansen will return and, for now, start at right tackle. So they don’t have to add a starter. Whether or not they want to add one is another matter. Regardless, they would be wise to add depth at tackle and inside.

Top free agents » Alan Faneca, Flozell Adams, Sean Locklear.

Draft or free agency » Draft. Washington needs to develop young interior linemen. In Lorenzo Alexander, the Redskins also have someone on the roster who can help, but a second such player would be good. They also need more help at tackle, which they can find in the draft, a very good one for this position.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Free agent or draft pick?

DEFENSIVE END » With Phillip Daniels turning 35 next week, the Redskins need a young end to develop into a starter. Andre Carter is fine, but he applies inconsistent pressure. Demetric Evans is a solid backup.

Top free agents » Justin Smith; Antwan Odom.

Draft or free agency » Draft. By all accounts, there’s an abundance of ends available in the draft, lasting into the second round. Auburn’s Quentin Groves had a strong combine; Miami’s Calais Campbell did not. But options abound.

WIDE RECEIVER » The Redskins — finally — acknowledge that they need a big receiver. Redskins head coach Jim Zorn apparently is a fan of Seattle’s D.J. Hackett and the feeling is mutual, according to one of Hackett’s agents, Jack Mills. But, Mills said the Redskins have not been among the teams discussed when they’ve held internal talks about free agency. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything, however.

Top free agents » Randy Moss, Bernard Berrian, D.J. Hackett, Bryant Johnson.

Draft or free agency » Either. Hackett won’t command big money and Johnson shouldn’t either. There’s also Jerry Porter. In the draft, there’s no elite receiver, but there are plenty of good big ones who could help, such as Oklahoma’s Malcolm Kelly.

DEFENSIVE BACK » The Redskins need depth at corner and safety — even if Reed Doughty is the starter opposite LaRon Landry. They could pursue corner Drayton Florence, demoted to nickelback this past season in San Diego. They could resign safety Pierson Prioleau.

“We’re in talks,” his agent, Brian Mackler, said. “The Redskins have a desire to bring him back, but we’re going to test free agency.”

Top free agents » CB Asante Samuel, S Gibril Wilson, CB Drayton Florence.

Draft or free agency » Neither option is very good. The top college safety, Miami’s Kenny Phillips, continues to slide. There’s not a lot of depth, either. So free agency is probably the best way to go, especially at safety. At corner, the same is true though the second and third rounds should yield help.

OFFENSIVE LINE » Jon Jansen will return and, for now, start at right tackle. So they don’t have to add a starter. Whether or not they want to add one is another matter. Regardless, they would be wise to add depth at tackle and inside.

Top free agents » Alan Faneca, Flozell Adams, Sean Locklear.

Draft or free agency » Draft. Washington needs to develop young interior linemen. In Lorenzo Alexander, the Redskins also have someone on the roster who can help, but a second such player would be good. They also need more help at tackle, which they can find in the draft, a very good one for this position.

This (bigger font) goes to show that the writer did not watch Redskin games last season. Considering that there really was no other threat to rush the passer, it still amazed me how much Carter was able to get in and around there and apply pressure ALL season long.

 

[southeastjerome]

I'm really surprised that there is not a concrete known plan of who the 'Skins are after this year. Normally the day before, it's kind of understood where Redskin1 is heading and who is on the radar. For some reason, it's just not happening this year....hmmm, tight lipped FO is a new idea when it comes to Snyder ran ship.As for the FA's...non are sexy this year, other than R. Moss (might not be really available) or A. Samuel (if a team needs a top CB). The WR's are servicable, but not true starters. They all have risk and upside, but are really not proven.Again, just find it odd that we have no real idea what they are going to do...normally we do the day before FA season.

It really looks like the Redskins are not going to go after anyone when free agency opens tomorrow morning. I am sure they have their sights on some lower tier free agents, but they won't be brought in until the initial frenzy is over.If they go this route, I will be impressed. Two years ago, I thought the free agents available were not that great. But the Redskins went on a spending spree and got Randle El, Carter, Archuleta, and Lloyd (via trade). Sometimes (maybe a lot of times) it is just better to wait.

I think Hackett or Johnson, and Florence would be excellent signings (for the right price, obviously) that would qualify as "restrained". I don't think that "restraint" necessarily has to mean "no/crappy signings".

After seeing the money that Tommy Kelly just got I am a little nervous that people might break the bank for guys like Hackett, Johnson and Florence. Florence already being in Detroit isn't a good thing in terms of him landing in DC, he would start for them. A guy I would welcome in lieu of Florence is Randall Gay.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm really surprised that there is not a concrete known plan of who the 'Skins are after this year. Normally the day before, it's kind of understood where Redskin1 is heading and who is on the radar. For some reason, it's just not happening this year....hmmm, tight lipped FO is a new idea when it comes to Snyder ran ship.As for the FA's...non are sexy this year, other than R. Moss (might not be really available) or A. Samuel (if a team needs a top CB). The WR's are servicable, but not true starters. They all have risk and upside, but are really not proven.Again, just find it odd that we have no real idea what they are going to do...normally we do the day before FA season.

It really looks like the Redskins are not going to go after anyone when free agency opens tomorrow morning. I am sure they have their sights on some lower tier free agents, but they won't be brought in until the initial frenzy is over.If they go this route, I will be impressed. Two years ago, I thought the free agents available were not that great. But the Redskins went on a spending spree and got Randle El, Carter, Archuleta, and Lloyd (via trade). Sometimes (maybe a lot of times) it is just better to wait.

I think Hackett or Johnson, and Florence would be excellent signings (for the right price, obviously) that would qualify as "restrained". I don't think that "restraint" necessarily has to mean "no/crappy signings".

After seeing the money that Tommy Kelly just got I am a little nervous that people might break the bank for guys like Hackett, Johnson and Florence. Florence already being in Detroit isn't a good thing in terms of him landing in DC, he would start for them. A guy I would welcome in lieu of Florence is Randall Gay.

I find DET wanting him very interesting since Florence is not a typical cover 2 CB. Though Brian Kelly is much older, he plays CB in the ultimate cover 2...Tampa 2.

 

[DCThunder]

No mention in here of the #8 Car having his option voided? That's BIG news! No more Brunell! Woooo-Hoooo!

 

[redman]

I'm really surprised that there is not a concrete known plan of who the 'Skins are after this year. Normally the day before, it's kind of understood where Redskin1 is heading and who is on the radar. For some reason, it's just not happening this year....hmmm, tight lipped FO is a new idea when it comes to Snyder ran ship.As for the FA's...non are sexy this year, other than R. Moss (might not be really available) or A. Samuel (if a team needs a top CB). The WR's are servicable, but not true starters. They all have risk and upside, but are really not proven.Again, just find it odd that we have no real idea what they are going to do...normally we do the day before FA season.

It really looks like the Redskins are not going to go after anyone when free agency opens tomorrow morning. I am sure they have their sights on some lower tier free agents, but they won't be brought in until the initial frenzy is over.If they go this route, I will be impressed. Two years ago, I thought the free agents available were not that great. But the Redskins went on a spending spree and got Randle El, Carter, Archuleta, and Lloyd (via trade). Sometimes (maybe a lot of times) it is just better to wait.

I think Hackett or Johnson, and Florence would be excellent signings (for the right price, obviously) that would qualify as "restrained". I don't think that "restraint" necessarily has to mean "no/crappy signings".

After seeing the money that Tommy Kelly just got I am a little nervous that people might break the bank for guys like Hackett, Johnson and Florence. Florence already being in Detroit isn't a good thing in terms of him landing in DC, he would start for them. A guy I would welcome in lieu of Florence is Randall Gay.

On paper, Florence is signing on to be a CB4, but in reality Rogers is out until the middle of next season by most accounts, and Springs has to be entering his last season with the team. With that in mind, plus all the multiple WR sets offenses run anyway, Florence will get plenty of playing time.

 

[fatness]

I heard the strangest thing on the radio on my ride home from work.

John Riggins was interviewing a man about the Redskins. The man said the following things:

Vinnie Cerrato has more responsibility now, since Joe Gibbs is gone.

The Redskins were not likely to jump into chasing high-dollar free agents, since they're likely to be massively overpaid at the beginning of the FA period.

The Redskins wanted to take the best player available at each of their draft picks through round 3.

The Redskins would look more for "football players" as opposed to those with supposedly high skills in one area, in rounds 5-7. This is because 2/3 of last year's picks in Rounds 5-7 are out of the league. It's better to pick guys there who might at least make it on special teams, or might, despite non-lofty skills, be the type of players who will learn whatever it takes to stay on a team.

Vinnie Cerrato was responsible for signing Brandon Lloyd, and that it had been a mistake.

Brandon Lloyd was essentially released from the team by Brandon Lloyd. He didn't like practice, he always made excuses, and ultimately didn't like what it took to play football. The locker room had turned against Lloyd long ago.

The Redskins are not in a position where they HAVE to find an immediate starter at any position in this draft.

The best players available at Pick 21 will likely be offensive linemen and defensive tackles.

A team can never have enough good cornerbacks, because when one goes down the entire defense suffers.

This man sounded very much like he knew what he was talking about. He claimed to be Vinnie Cerrato.

 

[redman]

I heard the strangest thing on the radio on my ride home from work. John Riggins was interviewing a man about the Redskins. The man said the following things:Vinnie Cerrato has more responsibility now, since Joe Gibbs is gone.The Redskins were not likely to jump into chasing high-dollar free agents, since they're likely to be massively overpaid at the beginning of the FA period.The Redskins wanted to take the best player available at each of their draft picks through round 3.The Redskins would look more for "football players" as opposed to those with supposedly high skills in one area, in rounds 5-7. This is because 2/3 of last year's picks in Rounds 5-7 are out of the league. It's better to pick guys there who might at least make it on special teams, or might, despite non-lofty skills, be the type of players who will learn whatever it takes to stay on a team.Vinnie Cerrato was responsible for signing Brandon Lloyd, and that it had been a mistake.Brandon Lloyd was essentially released from the team by Brandon Lloyd. He didn't like practice, he always made excuses, and ultimately didn't like what it took to play football. The locker room had turned against Lloyd long ago.The Redskins are not in a position where they HAVE to find an immediate starter at any position in this draft.The best players available at Pick 21 will likely be offensive linemen and defensive tackles.A team can never have enough good cornerbacks, because when one goes down the entire defense suffers.This man sounded very much like he knew what he was talking about. He claimed to be Vinnie Cerrato.

I'm strangely aroused.

 

[southeastjerome]

I heard the strangest thing on the radio on my ride home from work.

John Riggins was interviewing a man about the Redskins. The man said the following things:

Vinnie Cerrato has more responsibility now, since Joe Gibbs is gone.

The Redskins were not likely to jump into chasing high-dollar free agents, since they're likely to be massively overpaid at the beginning of the FA period.The Redskins wanted to take the best player available at each of their draft picks through round 3.

The Redskins would look more for "football players" as opposed to those with supposedly high skills in one area, in rounds 5-7. This is because 2/3 of last year's picks in Rounds 5-7 are out of the league. It's better to pick guys there who might at least make it on special teams, or might, despite non-lofty skills, be the type of players who will learn whatever it takes to stay on a team.

Vinnie Cerrato was responsible for signing Brandon Lloyd, and that it had been a mistake.

Brandon Lloyd was essentially released from the team by Brandon Lloyd. He didn't like practice, he always made excuses, and ultimately didn't like what it took to play football. The locker room had turned against Lloyd long ago.

The Redskins are not in a position where they HAVE to find an immediate starter at any position in this draft.

The best players available at Pick 21 will likely be offensive linemen and defensive tackles.

A team can never have enough good cornerbacks, because when one goes down the entire defense suffers.

This man sounded very much like he knew what he was talking about. He claimed to be Vinnie Cerrato.

I've been wanting to hear that for a long time. I hope the same patience is practiced with trading away picks for high priced vets.

 

[fatness]

If the Redskins had hired a new GM, and the new GM had said those things, I would have come away saying "Damn, this guy really knows what he's talking about. He backs up his opinions with hard information. He sounds extremely practical about both players and money and what's available in the draft and free agency. He sounds confident."

Who was that guy, and what has he done with the real Vinnie?

 

[fatness]

Bram Weinstein's summary of the interview with the Vinnie Impersonator: Link

 

[Bizkiteer]

I heard the strangest thing on the radio on my ride home from work. John Riggins was interviewing a man about the Redskins. The man said the following things:Vinnie Cerrato has more responsibility now, since Joe Gibbs is gone.The Redskins were not likely to jump into chasing high-dollar free agents, since they're likely to be massively overpaid at the beginning of the FA period.The Redskins wanted to take the best player available at each of their draft picks through round 3.The Redskins would look more for "football players" as opposed to those with supposedly high skills in one area, in rounds 5-7. This is because 2/3 of last year's picks in Rounds 5-7 are out of the league. It's better to pick guys there who might at least make it on special teams, or might, despite non-lofty skills, be the type of players who will learn whatever it takes to stay on a team.Vinnie Cerrato was responsible for signing Brandon Lloyd, and that it had been a mistake.Brandon Lloyd was essentially released from the team by Brandon Lloyd. He didn't like practice, he always made excuses, and ultimately didn't like what it took to play football. The locker room had turned against Lloyd long ago.The Redskins are not in a position where they HAVE to find an immediate starter at any position in this draft.The best players available at Pick 21 will likely be offensive linemen and defensive tackles.A team can never have enough good cornerbacks, because when one goes down the entire defense suffers.This man sounded very much like he knew what he was talking about. He claimed to be Vinnie Cerrato.

I'm strangely aroused.

Put in Beowulf on the Angela Jollie segment...should work a bit better for ya!

 

[Bizkiteer]

If the Redskins had hired a new GM, and the new GM had said those things, I would have come away saying "Damn, this guy really knows what he's talking about. He backs up his opinions with hard information. He sounds extremely practical about both players and money and what's available in the draft and free agency. He sounds confident."Who was that guy, and what has he done with the real Vinnie?

Too bad it was radio because there is no hiding that look.... !

 

[Bizkiteer]

I heard the strangest thing on the radio on my ride home from work.

John Riggins was interviewing a man about the Redskins. The man said the following things:

Vinnie Cerrato has more responsibility now, since Joe Gibbs is gone.

The Redskins were not likely to jump into chasing high-dollar free agents, since they're likely to be massively overpaid at the beginning of the FA period.The Redskins wanted to take the best player available at each of their draft picks through round 3.

The Redskins would look more for "football players" as opposed to those with supposedly high skills in one area, in rounds 5-7. This is because 2/3 of last year's picks in Rounds 5-7 are out of the league. It's better to pick guys there who might at least make it on special teams, or might, despite non-lofty skills, be the type of players who will learn whatever it takes to stay on a team.

Vinnie Cerrato was responsible for signing Brandon Lloyd, and that it had been a mistake.

Brandon Lloyd was essentially released from the team by Brandon Lloyd. He didn't like practice, he always made excuses, and ultimately didn't like what it took to play football. The locker room had turned against Lloyd long ago.

The Redskins are not in a position where they HAVE to find an immediate starter at any position in this draft.

The best players available at Pick 21 will likely be offensive linemen and defensive tackles.

A team can never have enough good cornerbacks, because when one goes down the entire defense suffers.

This man sounded very much like he knew what he was talking about. He claimed to be Vinnie Cerrato.

I've been wanting to hear that for a long time. I hope the same patience is practiced with trading away picks for high priced vets.

You and the rest of us in line bro! Here's hoping that it's not all smoke-n-mirrors.

 

[Marvelous]

I heard the strangest thing on the radio on my ride home from work. John Riggins was interviewing a man about the Redskins. The man said the following things:Vinnie Cerrato has more responsibility now, since Joe Gibbs is gone.The Redskins were not likely to jump into chasing high-dollar free agents, since they're likely to be massively overpaid at the beginning of the FA period.The Redskins wanted to take the best player available at each of their draft picks through round 3.The Redskins would look more for "football players" as opposed to those with supposedly high skills in one area, in rounds 5-7. This is because 2/3 of last year's picks in Rounds 5-7 are out of the league. It's better to pick guys there who might at least make it on special teams, or might, despite non-lofty skills, be the type of players who will learn whatever it takes to stay on a team.Vinnie Cerrato was responsible for signing Brandon Lloyd, and that it had been a mistake.Brandon Lloyd was essentially released from the team by Brandon Lloyd. He didn't like practice, he always made excuses, and ultimately didn't like what it took to play football. The locker room had turned against Lloyd long ago.The Redskins are not in a position where they HAVE to find an immediate starter at any position in this draft.The best players available at Pick 21 will likely be offensive linemen and defensive tackles.A team can never have enough good cornerbacks, because when one goes down the entire defense suffers.This man sounded very much like he knew what he was talking about. He claimed to be Vinnie Cerrato.

Vinny Cerrato has been on the radio before and sounds like he knows what he is talking about. The bottom line is will the front office make good decisions. If the Redskins really do opt to stay on the sidelines during the opening of free agency, it really will be a new philosophy. It is very encouraging.

 

[Marvelous]

I'm really surprised that there is not a concrete known plan of who the 'Skins are after this year. Normally the day before, it's kind of understood where Redskin1 is heading and who is on the radar. For some reason, it's just not happening this year....hmmm, tight lipped FO is a new idea when it comes to Snyder ran ship.As for the FA's...non are sexy this year, other than R. Moss (might not be really available) or A. Samuel (if a team needs a top CB). The WR's are servicable, but not true starters. They all have risk and upside, but are really not proven.Again, just find it odd that we have no real idea what they are going to do...normally we do the day before FA season.

It really looks like the Redskins are not going to go after anyone when free agency opens tomorrow morning. I am sure they have their sights on some lower tier free agents, but they won't be brought in until the initial frenzy is over.If they go this route, I will be impressed. Two years ago, I thought the free agents available were not that great. But the Redskins went on a spending spree and got Randle El, Carter, Archuleta, and Lloyd (via trade). Sometimes (maybe a lot of times) it is just better to wait.

I think Hackett or Johnson, and Florence would be excellent signings (for the right price, obviously) that would qualify as "restrained". I don't think that "restraint" necessarily has to mean "no/crappy signings".

After seeing the money that Tommy Kelly just got I am a little nervous that people might break the bank for guys like Hackett, Johnson and Florence. Florence already being in Detroit isn't a good thing in terms of him landing in DC, he would start for them. A guy I would welcome in lieu of Florence is Randall Gay.

Some teams have a boat load of cap space available. And the free agents available are a little slim. So some 2nd tier guys could get some outrageous contracts. Let's just hope it's not the Redskins handing them out.

 

[Marvelous]

I heard the strangest thing on the radio on my ride home from work. John Riggins was interviewing a man about the Redskins. The man said the following things:Vinnie Cerrato has more responsibility now, since Joe Gibbs is gone.The Redskins were not likely to jump into chasing high-dollar free agents, since they're likely to be massively overpaid at the beginning of the FA period.The Redskins wanted to take the best player available at each of their draft picks through round 3.The Redskins would look more for "football players" as opposed to those with supposedly high skills in one area, in rounds 5-7. This is because 2/3 of last year's picks in Rounds 5-7 are out of the league. It's better to pick guys there who might at least make it on special teams, or might, despite non-lofty skills, be the type of players who will learn whatever it takes to stay on a team.Vinnie Cerrato was responsible for signing Brandon Lloyd, and that it had been a mistake.Brandon Lloyd was essentially released from the team by Brandon Lloyd. He didn't like practice, he always made excuses, and ultimately didn't like what it took to play football. The locker room had turned against Lloyd long ago.The Redskins are not in a position where they HAVE to find an immediate starter at any position in this draft.The best players available at Pick 21 will likely be offensive linemen and defensive tackles.A team can never have enough good cornerbacks, because when one goes down the entire defense suffers.This man sounded very much like he knew what he was talking about. He claimed to be Vinnie Cerrato.

Vinny Cerrato has been on the radio before and sounds like he knows what he is talking about. The bottom line is will the front office make good decisions. If the Redskins really do opt to stay on the sidelines during the opening of free agency, it really will be a new philosophy. It is very encouraging.

One more note: I don't believe for a moment that the Brandon Lloyd trade was all Cerrato's fault. He says he is responsible since he was part of the front office. But there is no way he could push for Lloyd over the objections of Gibbs and the coaching staff. Cerrato is just being a good company man here, which is good. I suspect Saunders was behind the Lloyd trade, which may have gotten him off to a bad start.

 

[fatness]

From the Completely Offtopic And Obscure Department:

NFL Players Whose Names Sound Vaguely Dickensian, and the Characters They Would Be in an Actual Dickens Novel (2007–2008 Regular Season Edition).

Ethan Albright

Honest and upright youngest son of the dissolute Lord Albright. Childhood favorite of his deceased mother, Lady Alicia Albright, and said to resemble her most uncannily. He comes to grief attempting to foil his father's plot against the innocent Jeremy Trueblood.

Luke Petitgout

Energetic city magistrate who appears, early in the story, to be integral to the plot, but spends the last two-thirds of the novel on injured reserve.

Alge Crumpler

An ancient and comically deaf farmer residing on the Albright estate. Catch phrase: "Speak up! Lord Cardigan stole me ears!" Quite possibly insane.

 

[Marvelous]

From PFT:

POSTED 9:20 p.m. EST, February 28, 2008SAGE TALKS ENDJudd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that talks between the Vikings and the Texans regarding a trade that would have sent quarterback Sage Rosenfels from Houston to Minnesota have ended.The Vikings offered a third-round pick; the Texans wanted a second-round pick.The Vikes could now pursue J.P. Losman, who has asked to be traded out of Buffalo.

Wouldn't it be great if the Redskins could use a low round draft pick on a qb and develop him into a potential starting or good backup qb? If I recall, we has to trade Rosenfels away to make room for Gibran Hamden.

 

[Marvelous]

There are a lot of DT being shopped right now: Kris Jenkins (who I think went to the University of MD), Marcus Stroud, Shaun Rogers, Dewayne Robertson, Corey Williams.

Do any of these guys fit what the Redskins are looking for? I am not a huge proponent of trading picks away to get veterans, but if they can be gotten for not too much, it seems like something the Redskins should consider. Top flight DT go really high in the draft.

 

[dgreen]

I heard on the radio that the Skins offered Collins 3 yrs/$9M.

 

[Bizkiteer]

per profootballtalk.com - Redskins agreed to terms with QB Todd Collins.

 

[fatness]

per profootballtalk.com - Redskins agreed to terms with QB Todd Collins.

Confirmed --- announced on SportsTalk 980 this morning.

 

[redman]

I'm no longer in favor - categorically - of trading for a DT outside of exceptional circumstances. I think those guys' legs tend to go fast, with only the rarest of exceptions, and so by the time they're going to be traded they've already lost something. Draft them or sign them in FA as was done with Griffin, but stop trading for them.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm no longer in favor - categorically - of trading for a DT outside of exceptional circumstances. I think those guys' legs tend to go fast, with only the rarest of exceptions, and so by the time they're going to be traded they've already lost something. Draft them or sign them in FA as was done with Griffin, but stop trading for them.

You might have a point in our system. As a 3-4, your DT (NT) really only needs to take up space and not chase as much. In our 4-3, they have to provide some sort of pass rush. I'm all in favor as long as we're not breaking the bank, as in $$$ or high draft pick(s). If reasonable and it helps the team, make it so.

 

[DCThunder]

per profootballtalk.com - Redskins agreed to terms with QB Todd Collins.

Confirmed --- announced on SportsTalk 980 this morning.

LET THE QUARTERBACK CONTROVERSEY BEGIN!!!!!!!!

 

[Marvelous]

I heard on the radio that the Skins offered Collins 3 yrs/$9M.

That sounds like a lot of money for a 2nd string qb.

 

[Marvelous]

I'm no longer in favor - categorically - of trading for a DT outside of exceptional circumstances. I think those guys' legs tend to go fast, with only the rarest of exceptions, and so by the time they're going to be traded they've already lost something. Draft them or sign them in FA as was done with Griffin, but stop trading for them.

You might have a point in our system. As a 3-4, your DT (NT) really only needs to take up space and not chase as much. In our 4-3, they have to provide some sort of pass rush. I'm all in favor as long as we're not breaking the bank, as in $$$ or high draft pick(s). If reasonable and it helps the team, make it so.

Corey Williams went to Cleveland for a 2nd rounder. Kris Jenkins went to the Jets for a 3rd and 5th.These don't sound that expensive in terms a draft picks. I just don't know how good these guys are and how well they would fit into the Redskins defense. Cerrato says they are looking for a DT that can pressure the QB.

 

[fatness]

I heard on the radio that the Skins offered Collins 3 yrs/$9M.

That sounds like a lot of money for a 2nd string qb.

He's only a second string QB when Campbell isn't hurt. Better to have a competent expensive #2 than a bum who's cheap.

 

[southeastjerome]

I'm no longer in favor - categorically - of trading for a DT outside of exceptional circumstances. I think those guys' legs tend to go fast, with only the rarest of exceptions, and so by the time they're going to be traded they've already lost something. Draft them or sign them in FA as was done with Griffin, but stop trading for them.

You might have a point in our system. As a 3-4, your DT (NT) really only needs to take up space and not chase as much. In our 4-3, they have to provide some sort of pass rush. I'm all in favor as long as we're not breaking the bank, as in $$$ or high draft pick(s). If reasonable and it helps the team, make it so.

Corey Williams went to Cleveland for a 2nd rounder. Kris Jenkins went to the Jets for a 3rd and 5th.These don't sound that expensive in terms a draft picks. I just don't know how good these guys are and how well they would fit into the Redskins defense. Cerrato says they are looking for a DT that can pressure the QB.

I think they sound pretty pricey. Corey Williams for a 2nd rounder palatable, but a high 3rd and a 5th for Jenkins seems expensive. Jenkins has balky knees and looks to be on the back 9 of his career. On top of that, neither of these guys are going to come cheap in terms of dollars. I'd rather sit tight and draft a DT in the 2nd or 3rd round. Pay him a fraction of what these other guys are getting paid, and have a chance at equal or better output for a longer period of time. Sure a rookie DT is no sure thing, but neither are Williams and especially Jenkins. And if you blow it on the rookie at least it won't clog the cap.ETA: Picks in rounds 2-5 are especially valuable for the 'Skins since they need to develop cheap, young talent and depth.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm no longer in favor - categorically - of trading for a DT outside of exceptional circumstances. I think those guys' legs tend to go fast, with only the rarest of exceptions, and so by the time they're going to be traded they've already lost something. Draft them or sign them in FA as was done with Griffin, but stop trading for them.

You might have a point in our system. As a 3-4, your DT (NT) really only needs to take up space and not chase as much. In our 4-3, they have to provide some sort of pass rush. I'm all in favor as long as we're not breaking the bank, as in $$$ or high draft pick(s). If reasonable and it helps the team, make it so.

Corey Williams went to Cleveland for a 2nd rounder. Kris Jenkins went to the Jets for a 3rd and 5th.These don't sound that expensive in terms a draft picks. I just don't know how good these guys are and how well they would fit into the Redskins defense. Cerrato says they are looking for a DT that can pressure the QB.

I think they sound pretty pricey. Corey Williams for a 2nd rounder palatable, but a high 3rd and a 5th for Jenkins seems expensive. Jenkins has balky knees and looks to be on the back 9 of his career. On top of that, neither of these guys are going to come cheap in terms of dollars. I'd rather sit tight and draft a DT in the 2nd or 3rd round. Pay him a fraction of what these other guys are getting paid, and have a chance at equal or better output for a longer period of time. Sure a rookie DT is no sure thing, but neither are Williams and especially Jenkins. And if you blow it on the rookie at least it won't clog the cap.ETA: Picks in rounds 2-5 are especially valuable for the 'Skins since they need to develop cheap, young talent and depth.

Very good point that cannot be overlooked.

 

[tdog]

I heard on the radio that the Skins offered Collins 3 yrs/$9M.

That sounds like a lot of money for a 2nd string qb.

We never know what these contracts contain. At minimum, for a salary cap purposes, he would count 1 mil (pro rated bonus) + 12 year vet min (I think around 500,000). I would think the other 4.5 mil is tied to starts. This would keep his salary in the 1%-2% of the cap range that is high but not crazy for a back-up. As with all skins contracts, if the player last 3 years there isn't much of a cap allocation. The problems arise when players are cut before the 3 years. Arch cost them a lot and Lloyd a bit too.

 

[fatness]

Post

Washington entered yesterday with a modest $3.5 million in salary cap space with which to operate -- pending renegotiations with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss will take the figure to around $7 million -- and after years of rampant spending at the onset of free agency, the Redskins don't seem intent on setting the market for players.

Owner Daniel Snyder and Cerrato say they are more attuned to fiscal restraint this year after reaching the playoffs in 2007, but their cap situation also is a factor. Many teams had $15 million or more to spend on players -- some as much as $40 million.

Some free agents did interest the Redskins, including wide receiver D.J. Hackett (Seattle) and cornerback Drayton Florence (San Diego), but only at value-based deals.

When's the last offseason that the Redskin Off Season Thread didn't stay on page 1 of the Shark Pool?

 

[DCThunder]

Post

Washington entered yesterday with a modest $3.5 million in salary cap space with which to operate -- pending renegotiations with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss will take the figure to around $7 million -- and after years of rampant spending at the onset of free agency, the Redskins don't seem intent on setting the market for players.

Owner Daniel Snyder and Cerrato say they are more attuned to fiscal restraint this year after reaching the playoffs in 2007, but their cap situation also is a factor. Many teams had $15 million or more to spend on players -- some as much as $40 million.

Some free agents did interest the Redskins, including wide receiver D.J. Hackett (Seattle) and cornerback Drayton Florence (San Diego), but only at value-based deals.

When's the last offseason that the Redskin Off Season Thread didn't stay on page 1 of the Shark Pool?

Midway down page 2 at 6:30 pm is unthinkable.