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****OFFICIAL 2009 Off Season Washington Redskins Thread**** (2 Viewers)

ChrisCooleyFan

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After a 6-2 start and to finsih 8-8 = A BIG :jawdrop:

I think we're gonna see alot of changes here player wise this offseason.

I think Springs is gone for sure.

Do we go after (T) Gross? Gross resigns with the Panthers

Dline's need ALOT of work!!!!!!

Well it off to the offseason! Lets see what Free Agency brings us, as well as the Draft. IS Zorn back, is Vinny C gone?

 
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Gray Permitted to Interview in Detroit

Redskins secondary coach Jerry Gray has been granted permission to interview for the head coaching vacancy of the Detroit Lions, a league source has told Jason Reid.

The Lions, the first NFL team to go 0-16, fired coach Rod Marinelli today and requested permission to interview Gray.

Gray has been the Skins' secondary coach for three seasons. For five seasons before that, he was defensive coordinator in Buffalo. Gray, 46, has nine years of playing experience and 11 years of experience as an assistant coach.

 
Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell just did a wrap-up press conference here at the Park and he dropped a little bit of a bombshell when asked what kind of moves the team might make in the off-season.

"I’m pretty sure there will be some dramatic changes and some may even be shocking," he said. "We all have to be prepared for that."

Asked what he meant by "shocking," Campbell said: "Just personnel wise. There are probably going to be some shocking moves this offseason. They come every off season. Everybody understands that whartever we’re doing, it’s trying to improve the team."
Ryan O'Halloran
 
Zorn was unequivocal that Jason Campbell is the quarterback, and was adamant that it is his desire to retain his entire coaching staff after the 8-8 finish. When asked whether he intends to divest himself of any of his duties - play-calling, working with quarterbacks - he offered a firm "no." He believes that calling plays and working with the quarterbacks are two of his strengths and noted, "We got better at the quarterback position."

Zorn was vague about offseason specifics and what direction the team will go in an attempt to get better. As for personnel changes, "I don't' know what a lot would be," Zorn said. I asked Zorn about the feeling, among some, that the age and injury issues with this team might prompt it to get a lot younger, and maybe take one step back to eventually take two forward.

Zorn said those sorts of things will be discussed, but in general, "I don't know if I'm willing to do that yet," he said of rebuilding. Zorn was asked specifically about the offensive line and pass protection, and said, "We have to improve in that area."

Zorn is also eager to see improvement from this year's rookies, most of whom contributed little. Zorn called their development in 2009 "vitally important, because that's our future."
Jason LaCanfora
 
Campbell was all over the place this season. I entered the season thinking the guy was an average QB at best. His numbers weren't great, but considering the number of offenses he has had to learn, I figured I'd cut him some slack.

Half way into this season it looked like Jason was ready to take the next step. I had very high hopes for him at this point. The second half looked very similar to his previous seasons. The guy doesn't have the best deep ball and misses a lot of easy throws. He also needs work on his pocket awareness.

Campbell just strikes me as the type of QB who can win when surrounded by elite talent. With an average team, he plays like an average QB.

While I don't think campbell is the answer, I don't think he is the solution.

 
Campbell said that the Redskins' lack of options in the passing game limited their production in the second half of the season, and he hopes rookies Fred Davis, Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas make big strides. He wants to work with them as much as possible this offseason.
As for Washington's offensive line, and the issues with pass protection, Campbell said, "I'm pretty sure that's something we'll look at in the offseason. Coach said he's going to evaluate every position, and every player."
LaCanfora
 
Some free agents this year (copied from another thread)

TJ Houshmanzadeh - WR - Bengals

Tommie Harris - DL - Bears

Bart Scott - LB - Ravens

Julius Peppers - DL - Panthers

Ray Lewis - LB - Ravens

Bertrand Berry - DL - Cardinals

Kurt Warner - QB - Cardinals

Chris Gamble - CB - Panthers

Tank Johnson - DL - Cowboys

Shaun Cody - DL - Lions

David Garrard - QB - Jacksonville

Mike Peterson - LB - Jacksonville

Channing Crowder - LB - Miami

Jon Stichomb - OT - New Orleans

Jonathan Vilma - LB - New Orleans

Derrick Ward - RB - Giants

Brandon Jacobs - RB - Giants

Jon Runyan - OT - Eagles

Tra Thomas - OT - Eagles

James Farrior - LB - Steelers

Willie Colon - OT - Steelers - Restricted FA

Darren Sproles - RB - Chargers

Steven Jackson - RB - Rams

La'Roi Glover - DL - Rams

Cortland Finnegan - CB - Titans

 
Campbell said that the Redskins' lack of options in the passing game limited their production in the second half of the season, and he hopes rookies Fred Davis, Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas make big strides. He wants to work with them as much as possible this offseason.
:rolleyes: What does campbell want? Of course the rookies played like rookies, but when healthy Santana is one of the top WRs in the game. Cooley one of the best TEs. Randle el is a decent WR2. Portis, Betts and Sellers are all good coming out of the backfield. I'd call this an above average staff. Man up Campbell
 
Also from http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskin...have-13th-pick/

Washington has four draft picks in the seven-round affair: A pick in each of the first, third, fifth and sixth rounds. The second rounder went to Miami in the Jason Taylor trade; the fourth rounder landed Pete Kendall last season; and the seventh rounder went to Minnesota for Erasmus James.

So should we expect them to draft 4 linemen this year?

 
Also from http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskin...have-13th-pick/

Washington has four draft picks in the seven-round affair: A pick in each of the first, third, fifth and sixth rounds. The second rounder went to Miami in the Jason Taylor trade; the fourth rounder landed Pete Kendall last season; and the seventh rounder went to Minnesota for Erasmus James.

So should we expect them to draft 4 linemen this year?
:wub: Maybe 4 Free agent lineman

 
Also from http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskin...have-13th-pick/

Washington has four draft picks in the seven-round affair: A pick in each of the first, third, fifth and sixth rounds. The second rounder went to Miami in the Jason Taylor trade; the fourth rounder landed Pete Kendall last season; and the seventh rounder went to Minnesota for Erasmus James.

So should we expect them to draft 4 linemen this year?
:popcorn: Maybe 4 Free agent lineman
Heyer looks like a starting caliber player. He can and should replace Jansen. That's one. If you assume Rinehart starts next year, then that's two out of three OL positions (Jansen, Thomas, Kendall) that look like they need replacing.

I have no problem drafting an OL and also signing a vet to fill the third position.

On the defensive side of the ball, they probably should choose BPA among DT, DE and LB. If they do their homework, four picks should be enough to accomplish that, and they still have a potential trade of Carlos Rogers to get another pick or two. I think Taylor will be back next year, so I'm still holding out hope that he can contribute something. We shall see.

 
Also from http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskin...have-13th-pick/

Washington has four draft picks in the seven-round affair: A pick in each of the first, third, fifth and sixth rounds. The second rounder went to Miami in the Jason Taylor trade; the fourth rounder landed Pete Kendall last season; and the seventh rounder went to Minnesota for Erasmus James.

So should we expect them to draft 4 linemen this year?
:confused: Maybe 4 Free agent lineman
Heyer looks like a starting caliber player. He can and should replace Jansen. That's one. If you assume Rinehart starts next year, then that's two out of three OL positions (Jansen, Thomas, Kendall) that look like they need replacing.

I have no problem drafting an OL and also signing a vet to fill the third position.
Heyer and Rinehart may end up starting, but that does not mean that they are any good. To have any success next year, they can't just be the guys that happen to move into the starting lineup. They have to actually be decent. I agree that Heyer appears to be a starting caliber player. He's pretty solid is pass protection, but seems to get pushed around too much in the run game.I agree with signing a vet. If Thomas or Kendall stick around, maybe bringing in a vet will provide some competition and improve the play of either Thomas or Kendall.

I'm not confident Kendall wants to be back, though.

 
Also from http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskin...have-13th-pick/

Washington has four draft picks in the seven-round affair: A pick in each of the first, third, fifth and sixth rounds. The second rounder went to Miami in the Jason Taylor trade; the fourth rounder landed Pete Kendall last season; and the seventh rounder went to Minnesota for Erasmus James.

So should we expect them to draft 4 linemen this year?
:confused: Maybe 4 Free agent lineman
Heyer looks like a starting caliber player. He can and should replace Jansen. That's one. If you assume Rinehart starts next year, then that's two out of three OL positions (Jansen, Thomas, Kendall) that look like they need replacing.

I have no problem drafting an OL and also signing a vet to fill the third position.
Heyer and Rinehart may end up starting, but that does not mean that they are any good. To have any success next year, they can't just be the guys that happen to move into the starting lineup. They have to actually be decent. I agree that Heyer appears to be a starting caliber player. He's pretty solid is pass protection, but seems to get pushed around too much in the run game.I agree with signing a vet. If Thomas or Kendall stick around, maybe bringing in a vet will provide some competition and improve the play of either Thomas or Kendall.

I'm not confident Kendall wants to be back, though.
You can say the same thing about any draft pick they have (or might have had) in 2009. My only point is that they've already started to rebuild that OL if you consider that they already have Heyer and Rinehart.
 
Also from http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskin...have-13th-pick/

Washington has four draft picks in the seven-round affair: A pick in each of the first, third, fifth and sixth rounds. The second rounder went to Miami in the Jason Taylor trade; the fourth rounder landed Pete Kendall last season; and the seventh rounder went to Minnesota for Erasmus James.

So should we expect them to draft 4 linemen this year?
I think the Redskins are allergic to drafting DL. They just don't spend any high picks on DL. I think Vinny likes to concentrate on certain positions. So maybe he drafts 3 OGs and a punter.

On a more serious note, Vinny has already talked about getting more draft picks. Sounds like he will likely trade down from the 13th pick. It also makes it more likely they trade Rogers (dumb move I think) to pick up more picks.

 
ok, I like Zorn and all. he just seems like a real geniune guy. very likable.

but lately, I can't shake the feeling that he's in over his head. and I'm getting the same kind of vibes that I got from the ol' ball coach, Steve Spurrier. as you may recall, SS went from 7-9 (after a 3-1 start, I believe) to 5-11.

are we facing regression in year 2? is this thing heading to 6-10 in 2009?

I get on the phone to Shanahan right now to guage interest. if he has interest, I throw $$$ at him and can Zorn. continiuity be damned. hall of fame coaches just don't fall out of trees, now do they?

 
ok, I like Zorn and all. he just seems like a real geniune guy. very likable. but lately, I can't shake the feeling that he's in over his head. and I'm getting the same kind of vibes that I got from the ol' ball coach, Steve Spurrier. as you may recall, SS went from 7-9 (after a 3-1 start, I believe) to 5-11. are we facing regression in year 2? is this thing heading to 6-10 in 2009? I get on the phone to Shanahan right now to guage interest. if he has interest, I throw $$$ at him and can Zorn. continiuity be damned. hall of fame coaches just don't fall out of trees, now do they?
I'd rather see them throw a crap load of money at Savage to be our Head Scout. He isn't a very good GM but has a great eye for talent.
 
ok, I like Zorn and all. he just seems like a real geniune guy. very likable. but lately, I can't shake the feeling that he's in over his head. and I'm getting the same kind of vibes that I got from the ol' ball coach, Steve Spurrier. as you may recall, SS went from 7-9 (after a 3-1 start, I believe) to 5-11. are we facing regression in year 2? is this thing heading to 6-10 in 2009? I get on the phone to Shanahan right now to guage interest. if he has interest, I throw $$$ at him and can Zorn. continiuity be damned. hall of fame coaches just don't fall out of trees, now do they?
I'd rather see them throw a crap load of money at Savage to be our Head Scout. He isn't a very good GM but has a great eye for talent.
When did Shanahan make the Hall of Fame? He has actually coached a lot of mediocre teams in Denver. Vinny is going to get his shot at running the show and evaluating talent. I supsect he will be here for quite a few years. I don't get the "in over his head" feeling that I had with Spurrier after his first year. But next year will be very telling.
 
JLC on the CB position:

The secondary was the strength of the team. It was very consistent, exemplary really, when you think about the tepid pass rush and lack of support it received. With the signing of DeAngelo Hall in midseason, there was an abundance of riches here, but many within the organization are bracing for changes.

The assumption by many, including Shawn Springs himself, was that this would probably be his final season in Washington. For a long time I was thinking the same thing, but now, like many close to Springs, I no longer think it's a certainty. Based on conversations with people inside Redskins Park, I have the feeling that, come the first day of training camp, Springs and DeAngelo Hall will be the starting corners, and Carlos Rogers will be elsewhere.

Yes, the Redskins could save $6 million in cap space by jettisoning Springs, an older corner who has been injury prone, but he has been stellar when healthy. If the Redskins cut Jason Taylor, Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, James Thrash and a few others, they would have about $13 million in cap space, which is more than enough to land two top-notch free agents.

The coaches are very high on Springs and believe they have a different defense when he's healthy. And if the Skins aren't in dire need of extra cap room, why should it be a given that he is gone?

He can play corner on either side. He is also the only person on the roster who has really played slot corner and excelled in that tricky spot. He also can morph into a free safety very easily, and has the coaches' confidence -- a valuable commodity -- to do so. And, if the Skins are in more of a cap bind than projections indicate, they could guarantee Springs's salary, convert it to a bonus, add a few years to the contract and slash the cap figure. In fact, It would not be at all surprising if that subject is raised with him.

It seemed obvious to many inside Redskins Park that the team was starting Hall and Springs together in the final few games with the intent of seeing how they interacted, how interchangeable they were, how they communicated. If it wasn't an audition of sorts, well, it certainly seemed like one.

As for Hall, the Redskins have been seeking more turnovers for quite some time, and this guy makes plays. He has some problems in deep coverage, but adds an element the Redskins want, and that Rogers has not provided.

Speaking to some agents and football people, I'll take an educated guess and say Hall ends up re-signing here for something in the six-year, $48-million range, with $12 million or so guaranteed. And if that happens, it makes the departure of Rogers even more certain.

Rogers is not long for Washington, as his statements the other day made clear, and he did not take kindly to being demoted to the third corner. If the Skins are set on keeping him, they had a strange way of showing it, demoting him to third corner and using him sparingly in the second half.

This seems pretty mutual. A parting would allow the Skins to recover a draft pick - they need to rebuild at several positions but have just four selections in April - and would give Rogers the opportunity to get the financial security he is seeking. (He is getting hurt by the lack of a new CBA, and faces being a restricted free agent, rather than unrestricted, when his rookie contract expires after the 2009 season).

Signing both Rogers and Hall to long-term deals was always going to be tricky, and unlikely given the overall strength of the secondary, and all the other holes that need to be filled. It was apparent the moment Hall was acquired that Rogers would be the player most affected. Few in the organization figured the combo of Hall and Rogers would work since both are brash, young corners seeking new deals. Hall's ascent coincided with Rogers's descent, and Rogers has made it clear that he's not interested in backing up Hall.

All of that makes having an established corner like Springs to mentor the youngsters and be versatile enough to play different positions is even more important. If Rogers goes, fourth-round pick Justin Tryon, who is small and may never project to playing regularly, can become more of a fourth corner, with the Redskins also looking at low-tiered free agents to serve as a third corner/insurance policy (a Walt Harris or David Macklin type).

It would not be stunning news if the Redskins were to part with Fred Smoot. He struggled this season and was picked on late in the season when he did get on the field. He could still be serviceable as a third corner, but there may be players available for around the veteran minimum who could work, too.

Cutting Smoot a year from now would result in more substantial savings (with his salary jumping to $3.9 million in 2010, I would be shocked if he's still here then). He'll make $2.65 million in '09, with a $4 million cap figure.
 
ok, I like Zorn and all. he just seems like a real geniune guy. very likable. but lately, I can't shake the feeling that he's in over his head. and I'm getting the same kind of vibes that I got from the ol' ball coach, Steve Spurrier. as you may recall, SS went from 7-9 (after a 3-1 start, I believe) to 5-11.
I get a bad feeling from listening to Zorn's end-of-season press conference. Basically he said he did not want to change anything. And that, to me, is a sign that he has not yet stepped back to see the big picture and is still immersed in the day-to-day point of view. His team needs help on offense, and he wants to keep doing the same things. It's time for him to sit back and look at it from afar, like it was another team, and say "what would make it work better?" Perhaps he'll do that as the season gets further behind him.
 
What do you suppose Carlos Rogers would fetch in terms of a draft pick? The Patriots have two seconds and two thirds in the draft and they really need a decent cover corner.

 
I still don't understand why they want to get rid of Rogers. He was their best corner for a good part of the year, had his best year ever. I wonder if there is something behind the scenes we haven't heard about yet.

 
This will probably be an informative blog for Redskin fans to follow: rank Hanrahan's blog

His summary of Vinny's press conference today:

Redskins Executive VP of Football Operations Vinny Cerrato held a brief news conference out here at Redskins Park today and did not proclaim Jason Campbell the QB of the future by any means. Cerrato said Campbell is the starter going into the offseason but that was about it. He addded that Campbell made progress this year but it is a year to year thing with him at the QB spot. So perhaps start the rumors that Campbell's job is not etched in stone by any means. Matt Hasselbeck perhaps? Ugh.

As for the rest of the news conference. Here's what I jotted down in the old berry during it.

With no post season its the evaluation period. Cerrato said team will address everything. 15th of January talk about every player. Get on same page then and figure out what we need to do with each person.

Pro scouts have been looking at free agents around nfl. We will always look at trade, draft free agency whatever the case may be to get better.

We look back at everything and see what we could have done differently. If you want to improve, look at what I did and try to get better.

Will see marked improvement from rookies next season. We will be expecting more from then next year.

On veterans and deciding there future it is a difficult decision on whether to keep or let them go. But long way to go in evaluating the vets.

On 4 picks in draft. Have to weigh everything. Could trade back. Lot of options going into it.

Zorn a learning experience for him. Will make progress from year one to two.

On 13th pick. No idea who will be there. Got to wait to see who comes out and is eligible.

Said Zorn made great strides with qb.
 
ok, I like Zorn and all. he just seems like a real geniune guy. very likable. but lately, I can't shake the feeling that he's in over his head. and I'm getting the same kind of vibes that I got from the ol' ball coach, Steve Spurrier. as you may recall, SS went from 7-9 (after a 3-1 start, I believe) to 5-11. are we facing regression in year 2? is this thing heading to 6-10 in 2009? I get on the phone to Shanahan right now to guage interest. if he has interest, I throw $$$ at him and can Zorn. continiuity be damned. hall of fame coaches just don't fall out of trees, now do they?
I'd rather see them throw a crap load of money at Savage to be our Head Scout. He isn't a very good GM but has a great eye for talent.
When did Shanahan make the Hall of Fame? He has actually coached a lot of mediocre teams in Denver. Vinny is going to get his shot at running the show and evaluating talent. I supsect he will be here for quite a few years. I don't get the "in over his head" feeling that I had with Spurrier after his first year. But next year will be very telling.
Shanny was 50 games over .500 and ended with an average of roughly 10 wins per season. Not in the HOF yet, but he is not eligible either. HIRE SHANNY!!!
 
JLC on the CB position:

All of that makes having an established corner like Springs to mentor the youngsters and be versatile enough to play different positions is even more important. If Rogers goes, fourth-round pick Justin Tryon, who is small and may never project to playing regularly, can become more of a fourth corner, with the Redskins also looking at low-tiered free agents to serve as a third corner/insurance policy (a Walt Harris or David Macklin type).

It would not be stunning news if the Redskins were to part with Fred Smoot. He struggled this season and was picked on late in the season when he did get on the field. He could still be serviceable as a third corner, but there may be players available for around the veteran minimum who could work, too.

Cutting Smoot a year from now would result in more substantial savings (with his salary jumping to $3.9 million in 2010, I would be shocked if he's still here then). He'll make $2.65 million in '09, with a $4 million cap figure.
If any of this comes true, I want Leigh Torrence back.
 
What do you suppose Carlos Rogers would fetch in terms of a draft pick? The Patriots have two seconds and two thirds in the draft and they really need a decent cover corner.
I would think the Redskins would jump all over a 2nd round pick.
 
I know it's not a good pick, but I'd love to see us draft Derrick Williams out of PSU, he would be an exciting punt returner. 5th wr

 
JLC on the CB position:

Speaking to some agents and football people, I'll take an educated guess and say Hall ends up re-signing here for something in the six-year, $48-million range, with $12 million or so guaranteed. And if that happens, it makes the departure of Rogers even more certain.
this is extremely troubling, yet so very par for the course as the Skins historically overpay. And most of the time, they do so for the wrong guys. Hall has been basically evicted by the only two franchises he's been a part of.

Brandon Lloyd, anybody?

to be fair, he played well enough, but if it is inevitable that he resigns, I'd offer a 5-year $20m contract, with maybe $5m up front. You think he could get a better offer elsewhere? I don't either. But in the spirit of Lavernius ("he asked for $10m so let's give him $13m) Coles, I'd say there's a 100% chance they'll outbid themselves.

 
I still don't understand why they want to get rid of Rogers. He was their best corner for a good part of the year, had his best year ever. I wonder if there is something behind the scenes we haven't heard about yet.
The simple case I can make for it is that they need draft picks, they have more CB's than they need (for next year at least, if Springs and Hall return) and he's the only CB on the roster worth anything in trade. Good CB's (and I do think Rogers qualifies as one) do command good value in trade, so they might even be able to squeeze two picks out of a trading partner for him, e.g. a 2nd and a 6th or something. The major problem with trading him, though, is that in a year they're right back to needing another good young CB as Springs is another year older and Smoot seems like he's on the decline too. Yes they have other needs and juggling this way might make sense, but they certainly need to both get good trade value and use the picks to draft good player(s) to make this seem worthwhile to me.
 
ok, I like Zorn and all. he just seems like a real geniune guy. very likable. but lately, I can't shake the feeling that he's in over his head. and I'm getting the same kind of vibes that I got from the ol' ball coach, Steve Spurrier. as you may recall, SS went from 7-9 (after a 3-1 start, I believe) to 5-11. are we facing regression in year 2? is this thing heading to 6-10 in 2009? I get on the phone to Shanahan right now to guage interest. if he has interest, I throw $$$ at him and can Zorn. continiuity be damned. hall of fame coaches just don't fall out of trees, now do they?
I'd rather see them throw a crap load of money at Savage to be our Head Scout. He isn't a very good GM but has a great eye for talent.
When did Shanahan make the Hall of Fame? He has actually coached a lot of mediocre teams in Denver. Vinny is going to get his shot at running the show and evaluating talent. I supsect he will be here for quite a few years. I don't get the "in over his head" feeling that I had with Spurrier after his first year. But next year will be very telling.
Shanny was 50 games over .500 and ended with an average of roughly 10 wins per season. Not in the HOF yet, but he is not eligible either. HIRE SHANNY!!!
Shanny = Schotty + Elway. They're good coaches, but I'm not a fan - as I've said a few times here - of hiring coaches for their second, third, etc. head coaching tenures because I feel like they tend to lose their fire as time passes. I'd rather try to find the next guy to emerge as a good head coach from the assistant ranks, and while Zorn certainly has room for improvement I have no reason to declare him a failure and feel like the team should abandon him right now. Put it this way- in my view Zorn's and Campbell's fates are shared here. If one is to go in the near future, both should go and the team should rebuild wholesale. I'm at least one year away from concluding that that should happen, and in fact I like the progress that Campbell showed while also being pleasantly surprised at Zorn's performance overall given the screwy way in which he was hired.
 
I still don't understand why they want to get rid of Rogers. He was their best corner for a good part of the year, had his best year ever. I wonder if there is something behind the scenes we haven't heard about yet.
The simple case I can make for it is that they need draft picks, they have more CB's than they need (for next year at least, if Springs and Hall return) and he's the only CB on the roster worth anything in trade. Good CB's (and I do think Rogers qualifies as one) do command good value in trade, so they might even be able to squeeze two picks out of a trading partner for him, e.g. a 2nd and a 6th or something. The major problem with trading him, though, is that in a year they're right back to needing another good young CB as Springs is another year older and Smoot seems like he's on the decline too. Yes they have other needs and juggling this way might make sense, but they certainly need to both get good trade value and use the picks to draft good player(s) to make this seem worthwhile to me.
I think it's more that Hall and Rogers both are young and needing a new contract soon, and there's not money to pay them both adequately. Couple that with the fact that the coaches all love Springs, who also makes a ton of money, and one of the 3 has to go. Actually your point about the draft pick makes some sense in that contact. Which would help them more?

Rogers

or

Hall + 3rd round pick (guessing at what round)

 
LaCanfora does a position-by-position analysis of the team at the end of each year. So far this year he's done 3 positions. These are pretty good reads:

cornerbacks --- a strength, lots of possible trade/contract talk

safeties --- a strength with Landry, Horton, and Moore

linebackers --- in trouble except for Fletcher

 
From LaCanfora's cornerbacks article:

Based on conversations with people inside Redskins Park, I have the feeling that, come the first day of training camp, Springs and DeAngelo Hall will be the starting corners, and Carlos Rogers will be elsewhere.Yes, the Redskins could save $6 million in cap space by jettisoning Springs, an older corner who has been injury prone, but he has been stellar when healthy. If the Redskins cut Jason Taylor, Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, James Thrash and a few others, they would have about $13 million in cap space, which is more than enough to land two top-notch free agents.The coaches are very high on Springs and believe they have a different defense when he's healthy. And if the Skins aren't in dire need of extra cap room, why should it be a given that he is gone?He can play corner on either side. He is also the only person on the roster who has really played slot corner and excelled in that tricky spot. He also can morph into a free safety very easily, and has the coaches' confidence -- a valuable commodity -- to do so. And, if the Skins are in more of a cap bind than projections indicate, they could guarantee Springs's salary, convert it to a bonus, add a few years to the contract and slash the cap figure. In fact, It would not be at all surprising if that subject is raised with him.
 
If any of this comes true, I want Leigh Torrence back.
Where did Torrence end up, anyway?
New Orleans. He was claimed off waivers.By the way, I never said Torrence was an awesome corner. But he is a servicable 3rd or 4th cb and plays good special teams. It's an important role and there should have been room on the Redskins to keep a player like that. And he does not rate to ever command a huge contract.
 
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I still don't understand why they want to get rid of Rogers. He was their best corner for a good part of the year, had his best year ever. I wonder if there is something behind the scenes we haven't heard about yet.
The simple case I can make for it is that they need draft picks, they have more CB's than they need (for next year at least, if Springs and Hall return) and he's the only CB on the roster worth anything in trade. Good CB's (and I do think Rogers qualifies as one) do command good value in trade, so they might even be able to squeeze two picks out of a trading partner for him, e.g. a 2nd and a 6th or something. The major problem with trading him, though, is that in a year they're right back to needing another good young CB as Springs is another year older and Smoot seems like he's on the decline too. Yes they have other needs and juggling this way might make sense, but they certainly need to both get good trade value and use the picks to draft good player(s) to make this seem worthwhile to me.
I think it's more that Hall and Rogers both are young and needing a new contract soon, and there's not money to pay them both adequately. Couple that with the fact that the coaches all love Springs, who also makes a ton of money, and one of the 3 has to go. Actually your point about the draft pick makes some sense in that contact. Which would help them more?

Rogers

or

Hall + 3rd round pick (guessing at what round)
If you take a long enough view, Springs at most has 1 or 2 years left and he has missed several games in each of the last few seasons. The Redskins should sign both Rogers and Hall to long term contracts as they are the CBs of the future. If they are going to keep Springs, they should also consider playing Springs as a nickel corner if they think less plays may help him last the whole season. Also, there is a reason they want/need more draft picks. They traded them away. This years draft is half done:

2nd round: Jason Taylor (I think they gave up too much, even if Taylor had stayed healthy)

4th round: Pete Kendall (good trade)

7th round: Erasmus James (waste of a pick. I still think they should have known by the end of camp if he was worth a 7th round pick).

 
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/...m?StoryID=84632

Redskins' Vinny Cerrato isn't Mr. Popularity

Originally published January 01, 2009

By AP

ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- A good way to get a Washington Redskins player to clam up is to ask about Vinny Cerrato.

Fullback Mike Sellers put his hands up and kept walking. Tackle Chris Samuels, who has been with the team for nine seasons, politely shook his hand and said he didn't have much to say. Several other veterans had similar reactions when asked about the person atop the Redskins' front office.

And this was in late October -- when the Redskins were 6-2 and compliments for anyone and everyone were a dime a dozen on a team seemingly assured of a playoff berth.

There were some veterans who did have plenty to say about the team's executive vice president of football operations, but they would not do so publicly because it's never a good idea to criticize the boss on the record. Former Redskins, however, can speak more freely.

"When his name comes up, usually it's not followed by compliments," said Brendan Noble, a retired defensive lineman who played in Washington from 2003-05. "In talking to players who have been around the league and just in general -- fans -- it's not just the players. People don't have a good image of him."

Cerrato gave his end-of-season news conference Wednesday, three days after the Redskins completed an 8-8 season under first-year coach Jim Zorn. There were no big announcements -- there are weeks of evaluation to do before deciding on a course for free agency, the draft and roster cuts -- but he readily accepted his share of responsibility for the non-playoff season: "I can't stand here and say we did enough."

Afterward, the man everyone loves to pick on -- on blogs, talk shows and even on homemade signs in the stands at the Redskins stadium -- retreated to the more relaxed setting of his office and was asked the question: Why are your approval ratings so low?

"I don't know why I don't have good press," Cerrato said. "You know, what bothers me more is wins and losses. That kind of controls all. I don't go ask people, 'Do you like what I'm doing or not like what I'm doing?' I just try to do the right thing. Have I made mistakes? Absolutely, I've made mistakes. I always try and learn from every mistake made so I don't make it again."

Critics say that Cerrato is simply a yes-man for owner Dan Snyder, who made Cerrato one of his first hires after purchasing the team in 1999. They point to the fact that Cerrato didn't get work with any of the other 31 teams after he was fired by coach Marty Schottenheimer in 2001, and that Snyder brought him back after firing Schottenheimer a year later. They cite many dubious player moves over the decade, although many of those bore the direct fingerprints of Snyder or of Joe Gibbs -- the coach and team president from 2004-07 -- more so than Cerrato.

Gibbs is now gone, so this was the first year that Cerrato was been put in charge of the whole store, so to speak, with a new title and greater profile.

So how did he do?

Cerrato opted not to be active in free agency and had mixed results with his 10 draft picks. Second-rounders Devin Thomas, Fred Davis and Malcolm Kelly had very disappointing rookie seasons, although it's always dangerous to evaluate a draft class after one year.

Trades for Jason Taylor and Erasmus James failed to pay expected dividends, while sixth-round pick Chris Horton (10 starts at safety) and midseason waiver pickup DeAngelo Hall (two interceptions in seven games) were the best moves of 2008. Cerrato took a major blow to his credibility in July when he denied having trade talks with Miami for Taylor -- when in fact the two sides were in the final stages of closing the deal.

Other comments are just plain head-scratchers. On Wednesday, for example, he went out of his way to emphasize the need to examine why the Redskins went only 4-4 at home. Most observers would say the answer is obvious: Field a better team, and it'll win more games no matter where they are played.

The year ends with serious concerns about aging offensive and defensive lines that need to be rebuilt, as well as crucial decisions to be made at linebacker and cornerback. Cerrato has some tough choices to make, especially concerning which veterans to jettison. He'll have a better idea where he's headed after the full, every-player-will-be-scrutinized meeting among coaches, scouts, trainers and front office personnel on Jan. 15.

"Eight-and-8 is not where you want to be," Cerrato said. "What do you have to do to improve? How do we get better?"

The fancy title doesn't mean Cerrato has full autonomy. All of the big decisions must pass muster with Snyder, who as owner retains the ultimate say-so.

"We take to him everything that involves money because it's his money, absolutely," Cerrato said. "And when we're drafting, and you're picking high, he wants to see who he's going to pay, so to me that's totally fine. But he lets everybody do their job. And he likes the recruiting part, too, which is a big plus for us because the buck stops with the owner."

As far as Cerrato's popularity, popular wisdom says that the winning solves everything. If the Redskins go 12-4 next season and venture deep into the playoffs, he'll be among the beloved in Washington, right?

Well, maybe not. According to Cerrato, his experiences in San Francisco 49ers front office in the 1990s and as a recruiting coordinator at Notre Dame in the 1980s suggest otherwise.

"People didn't like me when I was at Notre Dame, either, and that was all the people you played against," Cerrato said. "When I was in San Francisco, they didn't like me because I was too young being the personnel director of a Super Bowl team. It's been my whole career."

 
If any of this comes true, I want Leigh Torrence back.
Where did Torrence end up, anyway?
New Orleans. He was claimed off waivers.By the way, I never said Torrence was an awesome corner. But he is a servicable 3rd or 4th cb and plays good special teams. It's an important role and there should have been room on the Redskins to keep a player like that. And he does not rate to ever command a huge contract.
Torrence's waiver was a gaffe. That should have been James or Tryon at that point. Torrence is a valuable role player who was actually pretty good on the field as a dime CB and was very good on special teams. He also was well liked in the locker room apparently. I doubt the team gets him back.
 
Afther watching the first round playoff games this weekend, I can honestly say that this seasons Redskins did not deserve to be in the playoffs. Despite beating Philly twice in the regular season, they aren't a better team than the Eagles. The Vikings, probably not either. Same for Atlanta. The only team that played this weekend that they might be better than is Arizona, and they actually won.

Every team that played had imaginative offensive plays and did unpredictable things. Did the Skins EVER do anything unpredictable after Week 3? It pains me to say this, but the Skins have a LONG way to go to be in the playoff conversation for next season.

 
Every team that played had imaginative offensive plays and did unpredictable things.
That's the main thing I noticed, too. Each of those offenses did something different. They fielded various formations and shifts and motion. They used players in an interesting way and ran routes that weren't simple ins, outs, and slants. Zorn used very few variations throughout the season and lined up players in different spots. He put Moss in the backfield some, but then never really did anything with it. Sellers would line up in the slot some, but they only ran the WR screen out of that a couple times. While many of these imaginative plays the playoff teams ran didn't exactly light the world on fire, it was nice to see some imagination. Miami, in particular, would run some fun stuff and Baltimore shut most of it down. But, it was at least a little more fun to watch.
 
Every team that played had imaginative offensive plays and did unpredictable things.
That's the main thing I noticed, too. Each of those offenses did something different. They fielded various formations and shifts and motion. They used players in an interesting way and ran routes that weren't simple ins, outs, and slants. Zorn used very few variations throughout the season and lined up players in different spots. He put Moss in the backfield some, but then never really did anything with it. Sellers would line up in the slot some, but they only ran the WR screen out of that a couple times. While many of these imaginative plays the playoff teams ran didn't exactly light the world on fire, it was nice to see some imagination. Miami, in particular, would run some fun stuff and Baltimore shut most of it down. But, it was at least a little more fun to watch.
One thought: The Redskins really limited their options because they really only had 2 wide receivers on the team. Thrash really isn't a viable #3 at all. Thomas frequently did not know where to line up or which route to run. And Kelly was injured just about all year.
 
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Every team that played had imaginative offensive plays and did unpredictable things.
That's the main thing I noticed, too. Each of those offenses did something different. They fielded various formations and shifts and motion. They used players in an interesting way and ran routes that weren't simple ins, outs, and slants. Zorn used very few variations throughout the season and lined up players in different spots. He put Moss in the backfield some, but then never really did anything with it. Sellers would line up in the slot some, but they only ran the WR screen out of that a couple times. While many of these imaginative plays the playoff teams ran didn't exactly light the world on fire, it was nice to see some imagination. Miami, in particular, would run some fun stuff and Baltimore shut most of it down. But, it was at least a little more fun to watch.
One thought: The Redskins really limited their options because they really only had 2 wide receivers on the team. Thrash really isn't a viable #3 at all. Thomas frequently did not know where to line up or which route to run. And Kelly was injured just about all year.
IMO, all the more reason to be creative.
 
If we keep the #13, what are your thoughts there?

Everyone is saying Oher, but I'm in the Raji camp. If he's there, OL be damned I think we need to take him. The DL needs a big DT, and if we cut Griffin, we'll definitely have the need for another DT.

 
If we keep the #13, what are your thoughts there?Everyone is saying Oher, but I'm in the Raji camp. If he's there, OL be damned I think we need to take him. The DL needs a big DT, and if we cut Griffin, we'll definitely have the need for another DT.
I'm very much a BPA guy. The only type of exceptions I'd make is when you have a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning and the BPA when you pick in the first round is a QB. You either pick someone else or trade the pick if you can get good value. Saying that, I can't think of one position on the team where that would be a problem other than maybe TE. If the BPA at 13 was a TE, I probably would go to my next best player or trade the pick. Any other position, I'd take BPA.
 
If we keep the #13, what are your thoughts there?Everyone is saying Oher, but I'm in the Raji camp. If he's there, OL be damned I think we need to take him. The DL needs a big DT, and if we cut Griffin, we'll definitely have the need for another DT.
I'm very much a BPA guy. The only type of exceptions I'd make is when you have a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning and the BPA when you pick in the first round is a QB. You either pick someone else or trade the pick if you can get good value. Saying that, I can't think of one position on the team where that would be a problem other than maybe TE. If the BPA at 13 was a TE, I probably would go to my next best player or trade the pick. Any other position, I'd take BPA.
I don't know the players very well, but BPA OL or DL is the way to go. I like the draft spot - 1.13 is good value in terms of talent and yet it won't command an enormous contract # the way that just a handful of spots higher would. For that same reason it's also easier to trade down from it than would be 1.05 or something like that. I will say that the number of OL's declaring for the draft suggests to me that there may be good value to be had trading down and still drafting an OL late in the first round.
 
Redskins by Position: Defensive Tackles

The nose tackles in Blache's system are made to take on an awful lot, yet all the team has invested the past five years are one free-agent signing (Griffin, five years ago) and two late-round picks (Montgomery - fifth round - and Kedric Golston - sixth round - in 2006).
It's become pretty clear that an upgrade in talent is necessary. The only guy who could really shoot the gap and collapse the pocket some was end Demtric Evans playing inside alongside tackle Lorenzo Alexander. Alexander continues to shine in a limited role, but, again, is not
I would expect the Skins to at least explore getting Haynesworth. And defensive tackle is a position worth addressing in the draft over the next few years as well. It may take draftees time to develop, but adding a few more specimens to the mix seems like a good idea, even if you have to pass on a wide receiver or two (or three).
 

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