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Huh? Giles sucks. Cole was a huge improvement over him. Herremans was way better at LG than anyone. I don't think Giles or Jackson are starters.
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***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
With all the money they are reported to have under the cap, they could have easily brought Dawk back (hopefully still can) They are gonna miss his leadership, intangibles and big play ability. He was player of the month in December, which shows he still could play and do well. Banner and Reid while somewhat successful still always come off as they think they are smarter then anyone and still have always fallen short. Everytime I see/hear banner spin the eagles rhetoric I just want to stuff him in a locker like probably happened to him in school. I love this team but the front office continues to annoy.
That being said lets see what happens, free agency just started.
I like the talk of Weaver and think he could be a big help, but Reid seems to think anyone can play FB so we'll see
Hope they resign Tra Thomas to stabilize the line and then draft another OL.
need another safety to compete with Demps
Right now Westbrook is the only RB...amazing how Lorenzo Booker just disappeared after the eagle sang his praise all off season and training camp last year b/c they would never make a bad deal. so they need to get a couple RBs in someway.
Trade for Boldin
I can hope
That being said lets see what happens, free agency just started.
I like the talk of Weaver and think he could be a big help, but Reid seems to think anyone can play FB so we'll see
Hope they resign Tra Thomas to stabilize the line and then draft another OL.
need another safety to compete with Demps
Right now Westbrook is the only RB...amazing how Lorenzo Booker just disappeared after the eagle sang his praise all off season and training camp last year b/c they would never make a bad deal. so they need to get a couple RBs in someway.
Trade for Boldin
I can hopeloose circuits
Footballguy
not sure how you can conclude Giles sucks with only 11 starts under his belt. I thought he did a decent job filling in for Andrews. Morningwheg seems to disagree with you. I still see loads of potential
vinwinephans
Footballguy
(KFFL) Updating previous reports, NFL.com's Adam Schefter reports free-agent S Brian Dawkins (Eagles) is now a member of the Denver Broncos. He received a five-year, $17 million deal with $7.2 million guaranteed.
Umm...those guys were pro-bowlers before being let go. AR saw what most fans didn't/couldn't...they were losing it, and while still quality players, they were no longer worth top ten positional deals.Dawkins is in the same spot. Still a quality player, but NOT a star anymore.As an eagles fan, it hurts a little...but the decision was sound.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
At those numbers I am glad they didn't bring him back. Congrats to him and the contract.
vinwinephans
Footballguy
Agreed.Would have loved to see him finish it out in Eagle green, but not at that sort of contract. The Eagles have to do what's best for the team as a whole. Now, let's see how they move forward...
Domination
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Good for him I guess. No way he sees year 3 of that contract.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
Yeah, the five years just allows the team to spread the signing bonus over a longer period and I bet a lot of the higher yearly salaries are on the back end. It's the type of deal Eagles would have done. I think the Eagles probably balked at 7.2 million guaranteed, but when you're a veteran and are on the opening day roster your salary is guaranteed any way so I think this is the type of deal the Eagles should have done.
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'll post later about the conversation I had with my friend. I'm very upset right now.
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
I think we have to trade McNabb... i Highly doubt we will be an elite team next year (losing Dawkins doesnt affect that he is old and can only play worse next year.. same with Tra)... but there just arent good weapons available for us to get... Can McNabb lead us to the Super Bowl with the same cast? I don't see why anyone would think that.
I think if we keep McNabb we may as well get T.O (if he is released).. we wont be able to get anyone better.. best case scenario is T.O. and Desean would be a great tandem... worst case scenario is we have an interesting year with good headlines and good talk shows.
I propose :
Mcnabb to the Lions for 2 #1s (Dallas's pick and Lions #1 next year)
Draft- OL/WR/RB/TE.. roll with Kevin Kolb and a veteran QB
or
trade/sign T.O.
T.O. is also crazy enough to come back here..and we took Trotter back after bad blood so who knows what can happen!
I think if we keep McNabb we may as well get T.O (if he is released).. we wont be able to get anyone better.. best case scenario is T.O. and Desean would be a great tandem... worst case scenario is we have an interesting year with good headlines and good talk shows.
I propose :
Mcnabb to the Lions for 2 #1s (Dallas's pick and Lions #1 next year)
Draft- OL/WR/RB/TE.. roll with Kevin Kolb and a veteran QB
or
trade/sign T.O.
T.O. is also crazy enough to come back here..and we took Trotter back after bad blood so who knows what can happen!
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Bankerguy
Footballguy
Nice.....contract details?
GoBirds
Footballguy
Whoa. What time did you start drinking?
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
Name one better WR we can realistically get. Also, dont you think T.O. and his ego will want to prove that he is the man. His first year in a new team is always the good T.O. Again, if it fails at least we go down with a blaze of glory and get a good draft pick and have an entertaining year!
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Dallas is NOT releasing him..so save your time.
SouthJersey
Footballguy
There is a better chance of Andy Reid running a marathon than there is of TO playing on the Eagles again.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Anquan Boldin
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
C'mon guys, you know better than this. Dawk signed a 2 year deal for $9 mil. The contract can be voided at that point by the Broncos, and in reality only 7.2 mil is guaranteed. You're telling me, that with 50 mil of available cap space, that the Birds couldnt have thrown 3 years 15 Mil, with 9 guaranteed at Dawk, voidable after year 2, and he wouldnt have jumped at it?Seriously, i dont know if some of you are plants from the front office, sent here to pacify the masses. or, if you really are just that uniformed about the true situation. Especially you Buddy, you chastise me about "not knowing how things really work in the NFL", and then you come in here with that garbage? I am really looking forward to hearing what DH has to say because i have a feeling i know what went down on this one...Robot Banner low balled Dawk, pihsed him off, and drove him right out of town.Some of you may be happy to know that you are getting closer and closer each day to your dream...me throwing in the towel on my eagles fanaticism.
Inspiration
Footballguy
Extremely unlikely at this point. Arizona appears to have no intention of trading him. What about Lance Moore? He is an RFA with a 2nd round tender.
Domination
Footballguy
It isn't the 2nd rd tender that would bother me, it would be the contract that he would get because of a career year last year.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
In a nutshell: Dawkins told the Eagles about the offer. They basically laughed and called him a liar (in a nice way) and said to 'go ahead and take it', thinking that he was bluffing. Dawkins put the pen to paper about a half hour after that conversation.
*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.
*edit* This all came about because Banner and Reid terribly lowballed him. I actually didn't believe it when I heard the $$$ offered. He wanted more and the Eagles said: if you think you can do better, go ahead and try, just call us when you get an offer. I find this to be terribly insulting and I'm sure Dawkins did too. The dude killed himself for this team and is arguably the second best Defensive play in team history. I can't believe he even did call them to try one more time to stay after the #### they pulled.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I heard that they wanted to max out of $5M for 2 years. That sound about right?It does sound pretty harsh, but I can see why they'd balk at the $9M/2yr figure - but that's what the market right now will bear (not enough players to consume the available FA $).
loose circuits
Footballguy
there is always a price. You offer Arizona enough, they'll bite
guitarmonkiy
Footballguy
Unbelievable. Eagles FO is so ridiculous.
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
And we start to see why the Birds have picked so few FA studs...all the rumors are true...The Eagles are Salary Cap Champions and nothing else.What they did to a guy who literally put his life on the line every week is unbelievable in its arrogance.
I'd like to throw my shoe at those pig headed, money grubbing, liars in the FO.
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
I'm sorry, but each post I read by you is more and more clueless. The Eagles have one of the best FOs in the entire NFL, and haven't really made one bad FA decision yet. If you look at the body of work for the last decade, your statements look quite ridiculous.
TCFF
Footballguy
Wow. This was at PFT. If you are already pissed, you might want to wait on this.
http://csnphilly.com/pages/player?is_popup...f=3&dord=mr
Edit- This is an interview with Dawkins
http://csnphilly.com/pages/player?is_popup...f=3&dord=mr
Edit- This is an interview with Dawkins
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
It was lower than that. i can't get into specifics, but it was lower.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Can you copy and paste the interview? I can't get it to load....
modogg
Footballguy
Yup, you found out the Eagles organizational scheme. they found the footballguys website and sent half of their staff on here as "plants from the front office, sent here to pacify the masses". Everybody here is just trying to please the masses, how are we doing?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm really REALLY disheartened. I've said all along that Dawkins isn't Trotter. He's not Hugh Douglas. He's not Jon Runyan. He's the tried and true heart and soul of this team AND, unlike those other guys, is actually still playing + football. I have to shake my head at some of comments about balking at the terms of this deal. The 5 years is meaningless...Dawkins and the Broncos know that. The only thing that matters is the $7.2mm guaranteed and the $9mm over 2 years. Neither of those numbers is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM detrimental to what the Eagles want to accomplish. We have $40+ mm under the cap, and even if we extend McNabb, re-sign Tra, draft someone high and bring in another unexpectedly high priced player, we still have tons of room to make a Dawkins deal like that work. This wouldn't have been overpaying to keep a veteran. Paying Ray Lewis $10mm per season is overpaying for what a guy did in years past. But $7.2mm guaranteed for 2 years? Totally reasonable.Just sick to my friggin stomach right now.
TCFF
Footballguy
I will try again here in a minute, but I can't get it to load either. I guess there are quite a few people trying to hear the interview. He was doing a phone interview and was obviously emotional throughout. Shortly before the two minute mark he got so emotional that he had to cut off the interview. I hope everyone in the front office hears it. They have been very good at this business side of the game stuff in the past, but I can't imagine what this will do to the locker room.
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Polish Hammer
made of glass
Yup, you found out the Eagles organizational scheme. they found the footballguys website and sent half of their staff on here as "plants from the front office, sent here to pacify the masses". Everybody here is just trying to please the masses, how are we doing?
Some people just like to overreact, Mo.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
All I can say is wow. With $40mil+ under the cap and they pull this **** with one of the greatest Eagles to ever put on the uniform? The guy wanted 2 years at a manageable number in relation to what they have to spend and they wouldn't do it. To sum it up, very Bramanesque.My question to DH: Everyone tends to place blame at the feet of Banner but you mentioned Reid as well. How involved was Reid in this process and the final determination regarding the $$ the Eagles offered?
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Sorry, I'm a big time Eagles fan, but I don't get this.
I understand that the fans love B-Dawk as one of their own. Hard-working, spirited, inspirational player.
But he's not as good as he used to be.
If you cannot see that he lost a 1/2 step last year, I'm not sure what you saw. Mikell was much more of a playmaker than Dawkins.
Don't even bring the money part into the equation, as I believe that he very well could have been a cut next training camp. The Eagles always look to improve at every position, and you must earn that starting spot. I don't think Dawkins would have done well on the sideline / bench and a good talent would have beaten him out for his spot in 09.
I'm not that broken up about this.
To bring $ back into it once again - the FO put a price on his value and it was much lower than he wanted. They stuck to that valuation and didn't go higher. I agree with that part.
If they treated him poorly and without respect, I have a problem with that. He earned their respect and should have left town with honor.
ETA - If they had brought him back and then cut him, how unfair would that have been?
I understand that the fans love B-Dawk as one of their own. Hard-working, spirited, inspirational player.
But he's not as good as he used to be.
If you cannot see that he lost a 1/2 step last year, I'm not sure what you saw. Mikell was much more of a playmaker than Dawkins.
Don't even bring the money part into the equation, as I believe that he very well could have been a cut next training camp. The Eagles always look to improve at every position, and you must earn that starting spot. I don't think Dawkins would have done well on the sideline / bench and a good talent would have beaten him out for his spot in 09.
I'm not that broken up about this.
To bring $ back into it once again - the FO put a price on his value and it was much lower than he wanted. They stuck to that valuation and didn't go higher. I agree with that part.
If they treated him poorly and without respect, I have a problem with that. He earned their respect and should have left town with honor.
ETA - If they had brought him back and then cut him, how unfair would that have been?
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Slider
Footballguy
So, we were just supposed to let him play as long as he wanted because of what he was? Sorry peeps but there comes a time. Maybe about week 9 when he's lost another step and is getting beat deep you'll see the light. JJ had to cover for him last year. Watch the first 4 games if you got them and watch Dawk getting burnt.
stevegamer
Footballguy
The Eagles front office is going to take a LOT of heat for this. Because they XXXXED this up. BADLY.
He was insulted by a lowball offer, and still called them, and they laughed at him. Laughing at the heart and soul of your defense, a fan favorite, and a leader is bad business. This will hurt negotations with EVERY player going forward, and honestly, if I'm an Eagle, I'm thinking these guys really are all about the bottom line, and trying to get contracts as cheaply as possible.
This is the kind of press coverage money can't buy - basically getting your fans to hate your coach & GM, and a lot of them really don't like the coach anyway.
I've defended Reid in here , and he's been pretty succesful, and Banner has kept the Eagles very competitive. this may end up being the signature move of the Reid/Banner era.
He was insulted by a lowball offer, and still called them, and they laughed at him. Laughing at the heart and soul of your defense, a fan favorite, and a leader is bad business. This will hurt negotations with EVERY player going forward, and honestly, if I'm an Eagle, I'm thinking these guys really are all about the bottom line, and trying to get contracts as cheaply as possible.
This is the kind of press coverage money can't buy - basically getting your fans to hate your coach & GM, and a lot of them really don't like the coach anyway.
I've defended Reid in here , and he's been pretty succesful, and Banner has kept the Eagles very competitive. this may end up being the signature move of the Reid/Banner era.
Game Time
Footballguy
I really think Jeff is the only one that gets the total picture here... We all ove Dawk.. that's not the issue.. But it is a business as well... Anyone in business knows the heart can't get in the way of decisions.... Reid, Lurie.. all had great quotes and wodnerful things to say about him.. It was amicable on both sides... Two years from now Dawk will sign a one day contract to retire an Eagle as he should... You can't just throw 9 mil at players in this day and age... Dawk did what he had to do.. they gave him an offer and said if you can find better go ahead.. He did and now we have to move on....
gonzobill5
Footballguy
i loved dawk, and i'll miss the heart he put into every game. i'll miss the suplexes and crazy (late) hits.
that said, it's time to move on. the defense is young and talented and i'm ready for one of the young guys to take over the leadership roles like dawkins did when vincent left. we all know that team leaders need to be guys that still have the teams respect for how they play now, not how they once played.
i don't really see what the fact that they had $$ under the cap has anything to do with it. i hope (and doubt) that the previous post about them insulting him/laughing at him is true. if i were in the front office and he called and told me how much he was getting, i think i'd say good luck and we'll miss you. its not disrespectful, its just how the game is today.
that said, it's time to move on. the defense is young and talented and i'm ready for one of the young guys to take over the leadership roles like dawkins did when vincent left. we all know that team leaders need to be guys that still have the teams respect for how they play now, not how they once played.
i don't really see what the fact that they had $$ under the cap has anything to do with it. i hope (and doubt) that the previous post about them insulting him/laughing at him is true. if i were in the front office and he called and told me how much he was getting, i think i'd say good luck and we'll miss you. its not disrespectful, its just how the game is today.
stevegamer
Footballguy
From what it sounds like, "poorly and without respect" would've been an upgrade on the treatment he received.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Who said he was as good as he used to be?But he's still better than most at his position, and better than anyone on our roster at that position. And wasn't looking to be paid like an elite defensive stud. And unlike Hugh or Trot, Dawkins is universally loved and respected in the locker room and genuinely does bring more to the team than what he does on the field. This is the kind of move that can have a cascading effect. Let's not pretend we're not in a "win now" mode.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
Watching the news and Reid has issued a very kind and respectful parting message. I think people trying to portray this as a slap in the face have a lot of work to do.
modogg
Footballguy
this was on the philly.com website. I don't think it is that bad, but obviously the fans and local media have ton of emotion invested in this.
But this statement from the Eagles just popped in my inbox. Here are statements from Jeffrey Lurie and Andy Reid on Dawkins' departure.
From Lurie:
“Brian Dawkins has been one of the pillars of this franchise for 13 years. He helped lead us to five NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl. Brian embodies everything you look for in a professional athlete and human being. I have been fortunate to witness his impeccable character, his passion for the game of football and his commitment to being the best player he could be. I look forward to continuing a close relationship with him once his playing days are over. His legacy as an Eagle will last forever and will ultimately land him in Canton as a Hall of Famer.”
From Reid:
“Brian is one of the best players in franchise history and one of the most popular players to ever play in the city of Philadelphia. The Eagles organization, as well as the entire fan base, will miss him not only as a player but as a tremendous person. This is the toughest part of my job, no question. He gave this city 13 years of emotional, energetic football. We wish Brian and his family nothing but the best as he continues his career in Denver.”
I mean look i like the guy a lot too, and whoever wears the #20 next better be good (hard to narrow down, but my favorite Eagle i think is Andre Waters. following these 2 guys will be tough), but people i think are getting carried away with this. Who knows what happened, but for people to assume the Eagles "laughed" at Dawk seems a bit excessive. they budget for the position, and it was discussed thoroughly in the first half of last year how keeping Dawk in there was good, but it was impeding the Eagles from growing another free safety behind him. certainly will be missed, but i know i am glad he collected a nice payday and hope he stays healthy. i am sure the Eagles organization will be able to move on, let's hope the down-trodden fan-base can do the same. I can already seeing this get out of hand, people will start blaming McNabb for this somehow and scream for him to get out of town (on a side note, this is not McNabb's fault for anyone not sure).
But this statement from the Eagles just popped in my inbox. Here are statements from Jeffrey Lurie and Andy Reid on Dawkins' departure.
From Lurie:
“Brian Dawkins has been one of the pillars of this franchise for 13 years. He helped lead us to five NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl. Brian embodies everything you look for in a professional athlete and human being. I have been fortunate to witness his impeccable character, his passion for the game of football and his commitment to being the best player he could be. I look forward to continuing a close relationship with him once his playing days are over. His legacy as an Eagle will last forever and will ultimately land him in Canton as a Hall of Famer.”
From Reid:
“Brian is one of the best players in franchise history and one of the most popular players to ever play in the city of Philadelphia. The Eagles organization, as well as the entire fan base, will miss him not only as a player but as a tremendous person. This is the toughest part of my job, no question. He gave this city 13 years of emotional, energetic football. We wish Brian and his family nothing but the best as he continues his career in Denver.”
I mean look i like the guy a lot too, and whoever wears the #20 next better be good (hard to narrow down, but my favorite Eagle i think is Andre Waters. following these 2 guys will be tough), but people i think are getting carried away with this. Who knows what happened, but for people to assume the Eagles "laughed" at Dawk seems a bit excessive. they budget for the position, and it was discussed thoroughly in the first half of last year how keeping Dawk in there was good, but it was impeding the Eagles from growing another free safety behind him. certainly will be missed, but i know i am glad he collected a nice payday and hope he stays healthy. i am sure the Eagles organization will be able to move on, let's hope the down-trodden fan-base can do the same. I can already seeing this get out of hand, people will start blaming McNabb for this somehow and scream for him to get out of town (on a side note, this is not McNabb's fault for anyone not sure).
None_More_Black
Footballguy
Actions (read Money) speak louder then words my friend.
