loose circuits
Footballguy
what exactly did he say? I can't find any mention of Stacey or Shawn in the 0ne on 0ne interview?
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***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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gonzobill5
Footballguy
Now that we have a 250 pounder that can carry the ball, which rookie RB would everyone prefer? I think Moreno has the skill to make an immediate impact, but he doesn't strike me as the type of player they target. Meanwhile, I like McCoy's skillset best for this offense, but I'm still holding out some hope that Booker could develop (I might be the only one) and they seem similar to me. Brown is the only guy who I've heard mention of from the team and I've been impressed the few times I've seen him play.Agreed. Needed to address T, S, and FB/short yardage. Done, done, and done.
IMO the biggest need left is a HB to help Westbrook stay fresh. And depth at a few spots. Two firsts will help plug holes or swing a deal here shortly...
If they walk away from the first rd with Moreno and Mack, I will be downright thrilled. Use a #4 or a couple of the extra #5s to trade up in rd 2 to target a top TE prospect and anything added in the draft after that point is gravy.
From what I gleaned from Reid's comments with Spadaro, they will likely move Shawn Andrews to LT with Stacy at RT. Mack can play RG as a rookie while he is groomed as the uprade replacement for Jackson at C in 2010. Moreno would be a legit longterm replacement for Westbrook and potential stud in this offense.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
I was basing that comment on what Spadaro said to Eskin in an interview yesterday on WIP. Eskin asked Spadaro if Reid said anything that surprised him and Spadaro said that Reid commented that Andrews is by far the most athletically talented OL he's ever been around. Spadaro seemed genuinely shocked by that assessment. Considering the hole at LT currently, I put 2 and 2 together and concluded that Shawn Andrews will likely end up at LT, since that is where you would normally put your most athletically gifted lineman. Particularly if he fits the physical profile needed to play outside, which Andrews certainly does. So while he didn't come out and actually say it, IMO that's how it will turn out.loose circuits said:
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Why not? Good character, team leader type. Very productive. Dynamic runner. Great hands. Not sure what you are getting at.gonzobill5 said:I think Moreno has the skill to make an immediate impact, but he doesn't strike me as the type of player they target.JetMaxx said:Mighty Mice said:Agreed. Needed to address T, S, and FB/short yardage. Done, done, and done.gonzobill5 said:
IMO the biggest need left is a HB to help Westbrook stay fresh. And depth at a few spots. Two firsts will help plug holes or swing a deal here shortly...
If they walk away from the first rd with Moreno and Mack, I will be downright thrilled. Use a #4 or a couple of the extra #5s to trade up in rd 2 to target a top TE prospect and anything added in the draft after that point is gravy.
From what I gleaned from Reid's comments with Spadaro, they will likely move Shawn Andrews to LT with Stacy at RT. Mack can play RG as a rookie while he is groomed as the uprade replacement for Jackson at C in 2010. Moreno would be a legit longterm replacement for Westbrook and potential stud in this offense.
Slider
Footballguy
Actually, Reid said Andrews was the most gifted Tackle he's ever seen out of college.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Shawn Andrews doesn't have the lateral quickness to play LT. He's a physically overpowering mauler in tight spaces, making him an ideal RT.
As to Weaver, I put it in the same category as the Sean Jones signing. It's a solid depth move, it's better than doing nothing, but neither move really change this team's situation enough to think we've kept pace with our NFC rivals this offseason.
I do agree that this is a once-in-a-decade center class and it seems too ideal for us not to take one of the top options [Mack is only one of several who would probably start no later than 2010].
As to Weaver, I put it in the same category as the Sean Jones signing. It's a solid depth move, it's better than doing nothing, but neither move really change this team's situation enough to think we've kept pace with our NFC rivals this offseason.
I do agree that this is a once-in-a-decade center class and it seems too ideal for us not to take one of the top options [Mack is only one of several who would probably start no later than 2010].
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
We havent seen any lateral quickness out of our LT in 5 years.
delusional
Footballguy
So when can we get rid of Banner for almost screwing up this weaver signing
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Screw it up?First of all, Weaver is a hybrid back at a time when few teams are giving big money to the position, even for every down options. Second, while it's very vogue for Eagles fans to paint Weaver as this secret weapon, we've heard it before many times. Go back and see what a potential "weapon" Kris Wilson was supposed to be a year ago, and he couldn't make the team when push came to shove. I'm not saying Weaver isn't going to contribute, I'm intrigued by his versatility. But this was a guy that by all accounts wanted to be paid tailback money and ultimately the Eagles bet he would have to take less. They landed him, as planned, with a one-year deal.Banner didn't screw this one up, he played it masterfully.
delusional
Footballguy
I wasnt knocking the signing, i was knocking the fact that banner almost did not sign him..it took the consultant the eagles brought in to get the signing to happen
E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
Kris Wilson was supposed to be a weapon? Who was excited by that signing? Did the eagles try to sell him like they did lorenzo booker who they wasted one of their precious draft picks on
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
I think that was just Eagles fans hoping and wishing. I do not remember being sold anything on Wilson.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm talking about Eagles fans. Booker is another great example. The guy catches some passes for a few weeks in Miami and then he's supposed to be our added weapon. Again, I'M NOT SAYING WEAVER WASN'T A GOOD SIGNING, BUT I think we need to keep it in perspective. He is what he is, a contributor that we got cheaply.
E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
I was not excited about Wilson or Booker, but am very happy about the Weaver signing. He brings talent to a position they had none at. Found out today that he was a TE in college, he can catch and run which is what they need in Fat Andy's offense. Mcnabb loves to do the check down dump off and this guy will help with that.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
And it's been played at a sufficient level. Which is why I totally disagree with the thinking that Andrews doesn't have the lateral quickness to play the position. Strictly comparing Andrews to an aging Thomas, Andrews has superior athletic ability and lateral quickness. If he were moved to LT he would be an upgrade at a position that, on average, has been played slightly below a Pro Bowl level over the last 5 years. Simply put, do I think that Anrews would represent an upgrade over Thomas? While there will be growing pains resulting from a change in positions, I still say yes.
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Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
JW, The difference between all of these players is quite obvious... only one of them proved that they can actually make an impact on your starting roster.
loose circuits
Footballguy
oh ok, I think Shawn and Stacey will man the right side regardless. I don't see them kicking him out to LT and think that's only internet hype. Stacy would be more likely to play LT than Shawn...
I'm really excited about the Weaver signing. I think he'll go a long way towards fixing the short yardage problems of the last couple of years. He adds a ton of flexibility to those short yardage packages and a legit threat to keep teams from keying so much on Westbrook.
TCFF
Footballguy
Moving Shawn Andrews to tackle may or may not happen, but it is far more than internet hype. That is why he was drafted and Andrews has indicated in interviews that he could work at both spots this offseason. I don't think it will happen as Andrews is a great guard, but it could happen and no one who pays attention to the Eagles would be surprised.
loose circuits
Footballguy
I guess to me it's a height thing. Shawn is only 6-4, typically you'd like your LT taller than 6-5. Stacey is 6-7
stevegamer
Footballguy
You missed a word from the OP - almost. Banner played it well, but had he missed Weaver, it would've been bad. FB would've been a disaster again.I have no idea how you can see Wilson and Weaver as anything CLOSE to similar:Leonard Weaver - the NFC Pro Bowl alternate at FB, who happens to be schooled in the WCO. And played for the guy Reid had as a coaching mentor, the language & philosphy is similar.Kris Wilson - he was once thought of as a nice complementary TE/H-back in a comletely different offense.Jason, if being a Pro Bowl alternate at a position where they take 1 player isn't good enough for you, I guess you only want guys who make the Pro Bowl.
By that standard the Eagles, are down 1.gonzobill5
Footballguy
Sorry - didn't notice that this was in reply to me. What I was hinting at is the way that the Eagles always seem to draft skill position players that aren't the consensus top few players at their position. It might be just a fluke, or the result of them drafting later in the 1st round most years, but they always seem to rate those types of positions very differently than the so called experts do. I agree that Moreno would be a great fit for the team, and I'm wary of what, if anything, McCoy could add to this team. However, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they ignored the RB position in round 1, then grabbed McCoy (who seems to be dropping) in the second round. Anyone else have a preference for a rookie rb? If Jason Avant = Steve Smith, would you trade a #2, a #5 and Avant for Edwards?
loose circuits
Footballguy
or Reggie Brown...in a heartbeat
phillyphan07
Footballguy
I doubt the Browns want Reggie Brown or Reggie Browns contract"The five-year extension, which runs through the 2014 season, can be worth as much as $27 million and it includes $10 million in guarantees."loose circuits said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2655803
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
*sigh* I'm a little hesitant to post this (don't want to get hope up), but since the rumor's starting to be circulated, I might as well: the Eagles discussed Braylon Edwards' availibility with the Browns yesterday.
That's all I know.....
That's all I know.....
unckeyherb
Footballguy
ouch, but very true. I could see Braylon averaging something like 12 targets per game, 3 catches...EDIT after reading DH comment...I'd like to see Braylon here but it depends on which one we see, 2007 or 2008. Truthfully though, his penchant for dropping passes combined w/ McNabb's tendency to throw anywhere but the breadbasket (except on 5 yard, 80mph frozen ropes) could combine for some pretty horrible stat lines. That being said, he is definitely a young and talented upgrade that would make an immediate impact and also could help in the development of another QB, currently waiting in the wings...
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gonzobill5
Footballguy
he'd be a huge improvement over derrick anderson and his career 54% completion percentage.
zadok
Footballguy
IMHO, he's just as good as Boldin if not better...
loose circuits
Footballguy
you have to look deeper than that. Reggie Brown's contract is actually a bargain for other teams. The Eagles would take a cap hit for the remaining signing bonus spread out, but it's affordable to the next team who would not take a cap hit if released. an additional $6 million is available through incentives. 2009: $644,000, 2010: $1 million, 2011: $1.2 million, 2012: $1.6 million, 2013: $3 million, 2014: $3.7 million, 2015: Free Agentthe only way you pay him a lot is if he performs like it. Certainly an average of just over a mil/yr for 3 years isn't a bad base salary since you have no guaranteed money invested
Edited: The Eagles have plenty of room to take the cap hit if needed. It's already spent money and it's not like they will go over
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phillyphan07
Footballguy
The contract looks more trade friendly than I thought but I still don't see anyone wanting Reggie Brown.As for Edwards, he's like a much more sane T.O. -- lot of talent, big frame, lots of drops... I think the catches he would make would be worth the frustration of watching him drop one a gameloose circuits said:
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
There is a big difference between Jason Avant and Steve Smith (NYG). I like Steve Smith a lot more than Avant.With Stallworths legal problems, I dont think Cleveland will be looking to move Edwards at all.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Huge? McNabb is at about 58%About one more completion per 25 passes.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
Having mcnabb would be a huge improvement from what braylon has previously had to work with, enough said. There isn't even an official rumor about braylon to philly, and already philly fans are ripping him for a supposed lack of hands. First of all, his hands have looked better than average to me his whole career. He gets his hands out in front of him to make catches and he's outstanding at going up and getting balls. In fact, in 2007, I would bet that on at least half of his TDs he wasn't even open - Anderson just tossed the ball up and let him make a play and he came through. From a talent standpoint, I'd second the notion that he's better than Boldin. Most of his drops from last year came from lack of concentration. I felt as if a lot of his concentration problems came from his displeasure with the Cleveland fans. He didn't seem like he had his heart or his head in the games. He has played the Rodney Dangerfield card - constantly complaining that he gets no respect for what he does for the city. How well would that go over in Philly?
gonzobill5
Footballguy
I see a lot of similarities in the roles that Smith and Avant play for their respective teams. Both make tough catches, come up big on third down, and aren't used much in the vertical passing game.It would be a nice twist if Avant was traded for Edwards. The Cleveland fans would still have a Michigan WR to root against.
loose circuits
Footballguy
On Moving the Chains, Reid recently said that Avant was the best slot WR in the game (Kirwan joked later that he must have never heard of Welker)
I don't think we are gonna see Avant go anywhere.
I don't think we are gonna see Avant go anywhere.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
CentralPA
Footballguy
This would pretty much sow up the offensive line. With guy like him at LT and then the Andrew brothers also on the line, that would be something.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Talking up value down?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I too would love to see Peters come aboard. He's young, talented, and would give us a rebuilt O-line without a major transition year.Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
phillyphan07
Footballguy
transcript of Andy Reid 1st press conference in a little while. he touches on Dawkins, who's playing LT, getting another RB and McNabb/Kolb
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_updat...ok_Dawkins.html
As far as Andy Reid press conferences go, I think he actually said a fair amount
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_updat...ok_Dawkins.html
As far as Andy Reid press conferences go, I think he actually said a fair amount
So do I, but you'd never know it from the fan comments at the bottom. Those comments simply reminded me why AR is the perfect HC for Philly...he's better off saying less then more in that town!Nice insight on his thinking for the O-line too.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Glad to see I'm not off my rocker thinking Herremans is the odds on favorite to play LT barring another move. I also believe him that we're not going to take a rookie OL high; and I could definitely see Cole beating out Jackson. For Andy to say Jackson has some things to work on in the run game is akin to a normal coach saying a player sucks. You don't hear Andy say anything negative like that unless he means it.
phillyphan07
Footballguy
philly.com just put up the rest of the press conference. Here's the 2nd half
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eag...W_TAKE_TWO.html
talks a lot about the defense -- including the health of Jim Johnson -- and various other topics including reggie brown, sean jones and jack ikegwuonu
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eag...W_TAKE_TWO.html
talks a lot about the defense -- including the health of Jim Johnson -- and various other topics including reggie brown, sean jones and jack ikegwuonu
None_More_Black
Footballguy
I think they like Alex Mack although the center class is deep so they may not feel the need to take him the first round.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
It's a great center class for sure, I don't think the Eagles would rule out any position if the value was there. I would say our two 1st rounders are most likely DL and CB; much to the chagrin of fans who have visions of offensive firepower coming our way. I do think we draft at least one, but more likely two, runners but probably on day 2.
