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I never said that he didn't deserve a second chance. I just don't want him to have that second chance on a team I like. I actively root for CHI, DEN and Philly, in that order. If he went to DET or BUF, God bless him, go there and live in Football hell forever. Just don't darken my team's door-step.
But purely from a football standpoint this was a good move. No one can deny that Vick was an extremely talented player. I can't imagine people would be upset if the Eagles went out and got players like Brandon Marshall or Ray Lewis simply because they may have moral/legal issues.
I agree with you there.Just catching some of the 60 min. interview with JB and I have to say.. just makes me shake my head. I like Mike Vick as a player but I just cant shake the fact about the mental part of the man. I also believe no matter what players say that Vick being on the team will be a big distraction.
You say that now but wait until McNabb has a bad first half at the Linc and the fickle Philly fans start chanting "We Want Vick!". We'll see how much of a class act he is. He'll be pouting and crying about it faster than you can say T.O. At that point all of you supporters can ask yourself whether the 5 plays a game and all of the current outrage were worth it. Why even enter this mess into the equation? This team isn't in desperate need of another weapon, let alone a 5 play a game gadget. And don't give me the upgraded #2 QB line of thought. Vick was a joke as a passer when he was in his prime. And he will succeed now WCO after all of this?
He succeeded in a WCO in Atlanta, and this is a WCO with much better weapons. Why wouldn't he succeed?You say that now but wait until McNabb has a bad first half at the Linc and the fickle Philly fans start chanting "We Want Vick!". We'll see how much of a class act he is. He'll be pouting and crying about it faster than you can say T.O. At that point all of you supporters can ask yourself whether the 5 plays a game and all of the current outrage were worth it. Why even enter this mess into the equation? This team isn't in desperate need of another weapon, let alone a 5 play a game gadget. And don't give me the upgraded #2 QB line of thought. Vick was a joke as a passer when he was in his prime. And he will succeed now WCO after all of this?
He succeeded in a WCO ?? Really? If by wins sure, but not by being a QB.He played in 78 games. In those 78 games:He succeeded in a WCO in Atlanta, and this is a WCO with much better weapons. Why wouldn't he succeed?You say that now but wait until McNabb has a bad first half at the Linc and the fickle Philly fans start chanting "We Want Vick!". We'll see how much of a class act he is. He'll be pouting and crying about it faster than you can say T.O. At that point all of you supporters can ask yourself whether the 5 plays a game and all of the current outrage were worth it. Why even enter this mess into the equation? This team isn't in desperate need of another weapon, let alone a 5 play a game gadget. And don't give me the upgraded #2 QB line of thought. Vick was a joke as a passer when he was in his prime. And he will succeed now WCO after all of this?
DH, you do not have to defend yourself on this board. You have given us great information and have been a true contributor to this board. It will suck if you choose not to post any longer, but that is your choice. Thanks for everything, and we wonder why Eagle fans get such a bad rep when we have idiots who do this kind of crap.
Electrocuting dogs and laughing about is pretty sick stuff. I think he has paid a pretty stiff penalty but smoking weed and torturing animals are not even in the same league in my opinion.
I think 99% of Eagles fans are going to be in a very fluid state with their feelings about this for a long time. I cannot in my lifetime (40 years) think of a more controversial topic to hit my local teams than this. I still can't really get a grip on this. I don't want him here yet the NFL has reinstated him, therefore some city is going to do it. I don't want to be a NIMBY about this especially if some wider social good comes out of it. I do think that the team is grossly hypocritical about the 2nd chance nonsense. If this was a backup tackle there is no way he would be brought here. And don't give me the Reid/Dungy Christian line making me feel that if I don't want him here than I'm not as morally upright as those two fellows.The team had made a shrewd and potentially, tactically brilliant decision even if just from the standpoint of "better with us on our team than facing him." This has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with giving this man a 2nd chance. Andy Reid and the F.O. have one single minded goal and that is to win the Super Bowl. If Bin Laden ran a 4.3 they would sign him up.I do think that Lurie is actually conflicted by this move. I thought he and McNabb both showed some real humanity in all this but at the end of the day this is Lurie's team and thus his decision makes him no better than Reid.I also think that this ownership/F.O. has absolutely no regard for the history of the team and the tradition of some of its past heros. How in God's name can you already go to the Eagle website and purchase a #7 Vick jersey already?! Why give him Ron Jaworski's number?! It's an affront to a genuinely good man that does a ton for charity in the wider Philadelphia community. It's disgraceful.But bottom line for me (at least 40 some odd hours later of this news breaking) I was here before Ried, Lurie, Banner and I will be here when they are gone. My loyalty is to the team. I hate that this group has put me in this position but I cannot just go and root for the Steelers or Jets or someone else. And for anybody that's on their high horse about their team having a better moral compass, do you know for sure that your team wasn't one of the dozen or so that was after Vick?I do respect anyone that feels Vick has a right to be here and I respect anyone who wants nothing to do with the Eagles again. This is just too complex, too visceral to have a clear cut point of view one way or the other.
LinkAs a Redskin fan I think the Eagles did a smart thing signing Vick. If his behavior continues to stink they can cut him with no downside at all in the public eye. Likewise if he shows he can't play any more. But if he's in no more trouble and can still play, he's a better backup QB than what they had.
Because it's not retired?
I know many are upset, but let's be realistic about this point. It's the same number Vick has used the entire time he's been in the NFL, and likely before then....the number was unused, and not retired. That number has been used by several other scrubs since Jaws' day. In the end...IT'S JUST A NUMBER!HE HAS JAWS NUMBER?!?
And if we win the Super Bowl due to the contributions of Vick??? You think winning a title has nothing to do with this signing, eh? You've supported them unconditionally, and yet now there's a condition...
I seem to remember a Mr. Bobby Hoying wearing the #7...I know many are upset, but let's be realistic about this point. It's the same number Vick has used the entire time he's been in the NFL, and likely before then....the number was unused, and not retired. That number has been used by several other scrubs since Jaws' day. In the end...IT'S JUST A NUMBER!HE HAS JAWS NUMBER?!?
agreed. I was very disappointed when I found out that Vick was going to be let back in the league. But I came to terms with it. Upon hearing the news of the Birds signing Vick, I felt angry/let-down/excited and much more. If you step away from the character issue stuff/moral compass kind of thinking and look at this from a standpoint of winning (which is what everyone wants), this guy most likely makes the team better. In the RZ, we have beed historically anemic for a few years. If adding vick into the fold results in a handful of RZ TDs that would normally result in 3 points, which in turn result in a few more wins and possibly that extra offensive charge to take us to the SB I can't really complain. At the end of the day, I watch and root for the Eagles because I love Football, live in Philly and get rabid this time of the year and I want to see them win. For any moral decency or measure of good choices and good human beings I have never looked to any professional sport for role models, and when I have kids I'll continue that trend.And if we win the Super Bowl due to the contributions of Vick??? You think winning a title has nothing to do with this signing, eh? You've supported them unconditionally, and yet now there's a condition...
I don't think you give Philly fans much credit. First, you say Philly fans will be clamoring for Vick when McNabb messes up, and then you say Vick is a joke as a QB. Why are fans going to be clamoring for him if Vick is a joke as a QB?I personally think Philly fans will be a little bit more patient with McNabb this year, after how he responded to his benching last year. I also think they will be somewhat realistic in what Mike Vick can do as a QB this year.You say that now but wait until McNabb has a bad first half at the Linc and the fickle Philly fans start chanting "We Want Vick!". We'll see how much of a class act he is. He'll be pouting and crying about it faster than you can say T.O. At that point all of you supporters can ask yourself whether the 5 plays a game and all of the current outrage were worth it. Why even enter this mess into the equation? This team isn't in desperate need of another weapon, let alone a 5 play a game gadget. And don't give me the upgraded #2 QB line of thought. Vick was a joke as a passer when he was in his prime. And he will succeed now WCO after all of this?
Let's please not make a big deal about Vick's jersey number.
Telling Eagles fans not to make a big deal about something
Anyone know when Kolb proved this?
We don't see the practices or any "behind the scenes" stuff.. He played one half against a great defense... If he threw a TD instead of that pick.. who knows what would have happened... Obviously, he must be doing something right... Hard to judge preseason with the 2's and 3's only..... Granted he hasn't shown anything, but who knows... Funny... Green Bay said the same thing for years about some guy named Rodgers... By week 6 he will be the #3 anyway... Now if they could possibly trade Kolb for another TE... I'd be giddy....Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
I think you give Philly fans too much credit. Vick is all flash and dash as a QB but the fickle fans will be clamoring for him. I can see it now, McNabb will state how this is another slap in the face to him from Philly fans, he will pout and this whole fiasco will be counter-productive. IMO there is a large contingency of fans that have been anxious to have a guy like this to call for and it's one of the reasons why the FO decided not to bring back Garcia. I've already talked to some who attend the games and they're planning on doing it the second McNabb falters. They dislike like McNabb due to his repeated failures in big games and want a change. Personally I don't agree with them but I think my scenario will play out at some point later on in the year if McNabb struggles in anyway.dhockster said:I don't think you give Philly fans much credit. First, you say Philly fans will be clamoring for Vick when McNabb messes up, and then you say Vick is a joke as a QB. Why are fans going to be clamoring for him if Vick is a joke as a QB?You say that now but wait until McNabb has a bad first half at the Linc and the fickle Philly fans start chanting "We Want Vick!". We'll see how much of a class act he is. He'll be pouting and crying about it faster than you can say T.O. At that point all of you supporters can ask yourself whether the 5 plays a game and all of the current outrage were worth it. Why even enter this mess into the equation? This team isn't in desperate need of another weapon, let alone a 5 play a game gadget. And don't give me the upgraded #2 QB line of thought. Vick was a joke as a passer when he was in his prime. And he will succeed now WCO after all of this?
Rodgers was viewed as a possible top 10 overall pick. Kolb was a mid-round prospect. Rodgers' skills were and are far superior to Kolb's. Reid just made a huge mistake taking Kolb with his first pick that year, and he is loathe to admit it. He always is in denial over "his guys". See Quinton Caver, Matt McCoy, Todd Pinkston, etc. But I'm with you - Kolb for a TE would be ideal. Feeley deserves to be #3 anyway.
Comparing Kolb to Rodgers? Seriously? Not only were they separated by multiple tiers as prospects but Rogers showed at least some promise while a backup. You can't say the same about Kolb.
I say go with Justice and cross your fingers...
They should offer Kolb (and a low-round pick) to Denver for Scheffler. May not make sense for Denver, but that makes it no different from anything else Denver has done this offseason.
I was thinking we could throw in Booker. They can always use another RB
Let's not forget that Kolb is also responsible for the only TD the Browns scored the last 6 weeks of last season.
I let him play until the National Anthem.
He seems to be playing well - I'm hoping he makes it
Not enough healthy ones. So he's got that going for him.
