Official 2010 Dallas Cowboys In Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[Texasmouth]

I am not so sure Tony Romo really needs to play this year. Seems like a waste. Not to mention, Kitna has been such a great emotional leader. I love watching how fiery Kitna is and despite my incredible man love for Romo, I wouldnt mind seeing Kitna just finish out the season while Romo gets 100%.

I have really noticed the short comings of Romo as a leader since Kitna has been in there. I hate to say it since I am a huge Romo fan but I would like to see him being more vocal as a leader and less pouting on the bench when he makes mistakes.

I guess on the other hand I am a little excited to see what Garrett and Romo can do with no boundaries and a defense playing well.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

If Dallas isnt careful, they are going to pass the Redskins and miss out on the 4th place schedule next year. Imagine the fun the Boys would have playing the likes of Carolina, Detroit, Cincy, SF. Denver and Buffalo?

You post 10000 posts on a football message board and yet you don't understand how this works?

Ummm, which aspect? That we play 6 NFCE games per year, 8 games against rotating divisions, and the last 2 games gets filled with teams that were similarly placed in their divisions? Ok, I don't know which divisions the NFCE plays next year. It won't be the NFCN or AFCS as thats who we played this year.We would have 2 games against other last place teams if we finish last. I'd much rather have that than the 3rd place teams.

So what am I not understanding?

Nice try. The ones you listed are even in different divisions, so you can't even claim you were aiming for either/or scenarios about who finishes last.

 

[Ridgelake]

If Dallas isnt careful, they are going to pass the Redskins and miss out on the 4th place schedule next year. Imagine the fun the Boys would have playing the likes of Carolina, Detroit, Cincy, SF. Denver and Buffalo?

You post 10000 posts on a football message board and yet you don't understand how this works?

Ummm, which aspect? That we play 6 NFCE games per year, 8 games against rotating divisions, and the last 2 games gets filled with teams that were similarly placed in their divisions? Ok, I don't know which divisions the NFCE plays next year. It won't be the NFCN or AFCS as thats who we played this year.We would have 2 games against other last place teams if we finish last. I'd much rather have that than the 3rd place teams.

So what am I not understanding?

Nice try. The ones you listed are even in different divisions, so you can't even claim you were aiming for either/or scenarios about who finishes last.

Umm, what? Just curious, do you feel better now that you went out of your way to put me down for some minor misstatement? Trying to understand why you felt the need to do that. It really adds so much to these boards when folks do that.

 

[Hastur]

Nice try. The ones you listed are even in different divisions, so you can't even claim you were aiming for either/or scenarios about who finishes last.

Umm, what? Just curious, do you feel better now that you went out of your way to put me down for some minor misstatement? Trying to understand why you felt the need to do that. It really adds so much to these boards when folks do that.

He's a deadskin fan. Nuff said.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

If Dallas isnt careful, they are going to pass the Redskins and miss out on the 4th place schedule next year. Imagine the fun the Boys would have playing the likes of Carolina, Detroit, Cincy, SF. Denver and Buffalo?

You post 10000 posts on a football message board and yet you don't understand how this works?

Ummm, which aspect? That we play 6 NFCE games per year, 8 games against rotating divisions, and the last 2 games gets filled with teams that were similarly placed in their divisions? Ok, I don't know which divisions the NFCE plays next year. It won't be the NFCN or AFCS as thats who we played this year.We would have 2 games against other last place teams if we finish last. I'd much rather have that than the 3rd place teams.

So what am I not understanding?

Nice try. The ones you listed are even in different divisions, so you can't even claim you were aiming for either/or scenarios about who finishes last.

Umm, what? Just curious, do you feel better now that you went out of your way to put me down for some minor misstatement? Trying to understand why you felt the need to do that. It really adds so much to these boards when folks do that.

So coy, so coy. Let me spell it out for you because you're either too dense (possibly) or too embarrassed (overwhelmingly likely) to admit to what you did.

You said that a last place NFC East team would play a list - your list - of last place teams spanning just about every other division in the league (you left out the AFC South). That list was almost 100% irrelevant to what happens . . . as culdeus pointed out before I did. You then responded by claiming that you meant two games even though you listed six teams.

Now you're passing it off as a "misstatement"? No, it wasn't. This wasn't a typographical error. You got it wrong. The funny thing is I wouldn't have cared if you'd copped to it - I'd have never posted anything, but then you tried to cover it up and frankly I couldn't resist.

I also love that your fellow Dallas Cowboys brain trust is trying to help you here. Go ahead and hide in the sea of equally dense blue around here. You put your foot in your mouth and it won't matter how many people are telling me it's a gourmet meal.

 

[Ridgelake]

So coy, so coy.

Let me spell it out for you because you're either too dense (possibly) or too embarrassed (overwhelmingly likely) to admit to what you did.

You said that a last place NFC East team would play a list - your list - of last place teams spanning just about every other division in the league (you left out the AFC South). That list was almost 100% irrelevant to what happens . . . as culdeus pointed out before I did. You then responded by claiming that you meant two games even though you listed six teams.

Now you're passing it off as a "misstatement"? No, it wasn't. This wasn't a typographical error. You got it wrong. The funny thing is I wouldn't have cared if you'd copped to it - I'd have never posted anything, but then you tried to cover it up and frankly I couldn't resist.

I also love that your fellow Dallas Cowboys brain trust is trying to help you here. Go ahead and hide in the sea of equally dense blue around here. You put your foot in your mouth and it won't matter how many people are telling me it's a gourmet meal.

There is no misstatement in my posts. There is no typo error. I'm not trying to cover anything. I made a post in laziness, not researching before hitting "post". Most folks on this thread know I ussually post decent stuff. So I thought I could get away with being lazy. Apparently not.Happy now? Feel better that you've pointed out my lack of research?

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

So coy, so coy.

Let me spell it out for you because you're either too dense (possibly) or too embarrassed (overwhelmingly likely) to admit to what you did.

You said that a last place NFC East team would play a list - your list - of last place teams spanning just about every other division in the league (you left out the AFC South). That list was almost 100% irrelevant to what happens . . . as culdeus pointed out before I did. You then responded by claiming that you meant two games even though you listed six teams.

Now you're passing it off as a "misstatement"? No, it wasn't. This wasn't a typographical error. You got it wrong. The funny thing is I wouldn't have cared if you'd copped to it - I'd have never posted anything, but then you tried to cover it up and frankly I couldn't resist.

I also love that your fellow Dallas Cowboys brain trust is trying to help you here. Go ahead and hide in the sea of equally dense blue around here. You put your foot in your mouth and it won't matter how many people are telling me it's a gourmet meal.

There is no misstatement in my posts. There is no typo error. I'm not trying to cover anything. I made a post in laziness, not researching before hitting "post". Most folks on this thread know I ussually post decent stuff. So I thought I could get away with being lazy. Apparently not.Happy now? Feel better that you've pointed out my lack of research?

Hold on, I need to update my scorecard. ignorance

misstatement

lack of research

 

[Ridgelake]

So coy, so coy.

Let me spell it out for you because you're either too dense (possibly) or too embarrassed (overwhelmingly likely) to admit to what you did.

You said that a last place NFC East team would play a list - your list - of last place teams spanning just about every other division in the league (you left out the AFC South). That list was almost 100% irrelevant to what happens . . . as culdeus pointed out before I did. You then responded by claiming that you meant two games even though you listed six teams.

Now you're passing it off as a "misstatement"? No, it wasn't. This wasn't a typographical error. You got it wrong. The funny thing is I wouldn't have cared if you'd copped to it - I'd have never posted anything, but then you tried to cover it up and frankly I couldn't resist.

I also love that your fellow Dallas Cowboys brain trust is trying to help you here. Go ahead and hide in the sea of equally dense blue around here. You put your foot in your mouth and it won't matter how many people are telling me it's a gourmet meal.

There is no misstatement in my posts. There is no typo error. I'm not trying to cover anything. I made a post in laziness, not researching before hitting "post". Most folks on this thread know I ussually post decent stuff. So I thought I could get away with being lazy. Apparently not.Happy now? Feel better that you've pointed out my lack of research?

Hold on, I need to update my scorecard. ignorance

misstatement

lack of research

Merry Christmas to you. May Santa bring all that you dream about.Now, would you like to discuss some football? How bout those Redskins!

 

[Texasmouth]

Well...another 3 point loss to a top NFC playoff team.

I hate to lose but I like some of what I see out of this team. Still not happy with the play calling. Seems so conservative but I guess that is a product of the horrible offensive line.

I like having young guys like Ball out there getting some PT but I think one of the biggest off season needs has to be a ball hawking safety to play behind these two corners. Jenkins takes too many chances and Newman just cannot cover anyone one on one anymore. He has to have safety help but the safety behind him is Ball who is out of position more times than not. Sensabaugh is average at best. Newman is an absolute liability.

The offense looks good sometimes and then horrible the next minute. The playcallig is way too conservative for a team that isnt even going to make the playoffs. Averaging 30+ ppg is great but Garrett never really presses on the throttle once he gets a lead of any kind. Really frustrating sometimes that he goes conservative as soon as the game gets close.

Beuhler really seems to be getting his mojo now on kickoffs and field goals. Glad we stuck with this kid.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

So coy, so coy.

Let me spell it out for you because you're either too dense (possibly) or too embarrassed (overwhelmingly likely) to admit to what you did.

You said that a last place NFC East team would play a list - your list - of last place teams spanning just about every other division in the league (you left out the AFC South). That list was almost 100% irrelevant to what happens . . . as culdeus pointed out before I did. You then responded by claiming that you meant two games even though you listed six teams.

Now you're passing it off as a "misstatement"? No, it wasn't. This wasn't a typographical error. You got it wrong. The funny thing is I wouldn't have cared if you'd copped to it - I'd have never posted anything, but then you tried to cover it up and frankly I couldn't resist.

I also love that your fellow Dallas Cowboys brain trust is trying to help you here. Go ahead and hide in the sea of equally dense blue around here. You put your foot in your mouth and it won't matter how many people are telling me it's a gourmet meal.

There is no misstatement in my posts. There is no typo error. I'm not trying to cover anything. I made a post in laziness, not researching before hitting "post". Most folks on this thread know I ussually post decent stuff. So I thought I could get away with being lazy. Apparently not.Happy now? Feel better that you've pointed out my lack of research?

Hold on, I need to update my scorecard. ignorance

misstatement

lack of research

Merry Christmas to you. May Santa bring all that you dream about.Now, would you like to discuss some football? How bout those Redskins!

To you as well. He knows when you've been bad or good so be honest for goodness sake. I'm happy to discuss the Redskins. What would you like to know?

 

[Ridgelake]

Well...another 3 point loss to a top NFC playoff team. I hate to lose but I like some of what I see out of this team. Still not happy with the play calling. Seems so conservative but I guess that is a product of the horrible offensive line. I like having young guys like Ball out there getting some PT but I think one of the biggest off season needs has to be a ball hawking safety to play behind these two corners. Jenkins takes too many chances and Newman just cannot cover anyone one on one anymore. He has to have safety help but the safety behind him is Ball who is out of position more times than not. Sensabaugh is average at best. Newman is an absolute liability.The offense looks good sometimes and then horrible the next minute. The playcallig is way too conservative for a team that isnt even going to make the playoffs. Averaging 30+ ppg is great but Garrett never really presses on the throttle once he gets a lead of any kind. Really frustrating sometimes that he goes conservative as soon as the game gets close. Beuhler really seems to be getting his mojo now on kickoffs and field goals. Glad we stuck with this kid.

I'm not sure how best fix the D either. I suspect our first rounder will go to a DL. A guy who can get pressure will make all 7 cover guys behind him better. A safety who can read offenses and cover ground sure would be nice.The offense is so limited by the line. We saw how little push they got in the run game against a relatively good defensive front. And they cant pass block long enough to throw down the field, not that Kitna has the arm for that anymore anyway.I agree about Beuhler. He seems to have settled in. If he's going to take a year to learn how to be an FG kicker, a bad year like this is a good time to do it. Imagine a playoff team being held hostage by a learning guy? He'd be slaughtered in the media. Hopefully next year he'll be good to go.

 

[Ridgelake]

I'm happy to discuss the Redskins. What would you like to know?

So how will the Skins attack the Dallas D next week? Moss and Torrain seemed to do well agains the Tampa 2. How will they go after the Dallas 3-4?

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I'm happy to discuss the Redskins. What would you like to know?

So how will the Skins attack the Dallas D next week? Moss and Torrain seemed to do well agains the Tampa 2. How will they go after the Dallas 3-4?

When you have a bad O-line (and they most certainly do) and you worry about the opposing team's pass rush, you run the ball. With Torain back, that seems like a far more viable plan. Given that the Cowboys secondary continues to be problematic so I think they also take shots deep, especially to Moss and see if that won't open things up. Moss is the closest thing they have to DeSean Jackson. And of course you try to find Cooley. They never seem to do what I've been saying for years they should and that is go with a two-TE base set with Cooley and Davis which I think would be a big challenge to defend. I don't understand why not, but that's my take. Defensively I can never predict what the hell they're going to do or how effective they'll be. They're all over the board.

 

[dhockster]

I'm happy to discuss the Redskins. What would you like to know?

So how will the Skins attack the Dallas D next week? Moss and Torrain seemed to do well agains the Tampa 2. How will they go after the Dallas 3-4?

When you have a bad O-line (and they most certainly do) and you worry about the opposing team's pass rush, you run the ball. With Torain back, that seems like a far more viable plan. Given that the Cowboys secondary continues to be problematic so I think they also take shots deep, especially to Moss and see if that won't open things up. Moss is the closest thing they have to DeSean Jackson. And of course you try to find Cooley. They never seem to do what I've been saying for years they should and that is go with a two-TE base set with Cooley and Davis which I think would be a big challenge to defend. I don't understand why not, but that's my take. Defensively I can never predict what the hell they're going to do or how effective they'll be. They're all over the board.

Cowboys and Redskins fans getting along?! It's a Christmas miracle!!!

 

[Ridgelake]

I'm happy to discuss the Redskins. What would you like to know?

So how will the Skins attack the Dallas D next week? Moss and Torrain seemed to do well agains the Tampa 2. How will they go after the Dallas 3-4?

When you have a bad O-line (and they most certainly do) and you worry about the opposing team's pass rush, you run the ball. With Torain back, that seems like a far more viable plan. Given that the Cowboys secondary continues to be problematic so I think they also take shots deep, especially to Moss and see if that won't open things up. Moss is the closest thing they have to DeSean Jackson. And of course you try to find Cooley. They never seem to do what I've been saying for years they should and that is go with a two-TE base set with Cooley and Davis which I think would be a big challenge to defend. I don't understand why not, but that's my take. Defensively I can never predict what the hell they're going to do or how effective they'll be. They're all over the board.

I can definitely see that game plan. Moss has been a "Cowboy killer" in years past. He's gotten the best of Newman on many occasions and I expect the Skins to try to go to that well again.How are the Skins at running offtackle plays? Do their linemen have the mobility to make effective trap blocks? Dallas showed susceptibility last night to wide stretch plays that went between the DE and OLB. Kickout on the OLB, push the DE inward to gum up traffic, bring around the offside guard to clear the hole and send the back through. McCoy had all his yards in the last drive on that play. And last year, Denver had great success doing the same thing.The 2TE offense is a good one to attack Dallas. The boys don't have the ILB speed to pass defend that setup very well. And it gets Washington's best players (Cooley, Davis, Moss, Armstrong) on the field.What is the health of the Skins defense? I don't follow them closely enough to know who's out besides Haynesworth. How have other teams been attacking the Skins D?

 

[Texasmouth]

Well...another 3 point loss to a top NFC playoff team. I hate to lose but I like some of what I see out of this team. Still not happy with the play calling. Seems so conservative but I guess that is a product of the horrible offensive line. I like having young guys like Ball out there getting some PT but I think one of the biggest off season needs has to be a ball hawking safety to play behind these two corners. Jenkins takes too many chances and Newman just cannot cover anyone one on one anymore. He has to have safety help but the safety behind him is Ball who is out of position more times than not. Sensabaugh is average at best. Newman is an absolute liability.The offense looks good sometimes and then horrible the next minute. The playcallig is way too conservative for a team that isnt even going to make the playoffs. Averaging 30+ ppg is great but Garrett never really presses on the throttle once he gets a lead of any kind. Really frustrating sometimes that he goes conservative as soon as the game gets close. Beuhler really seems to be getting his mojo now on kickoffs and field goals. Glad we stuck with this kid.

I'm not sure how best fix the D either. I suspect our first rounder will go to a DL. A guy who can get pressure will make all 7 cover guys behind him better. A safety who can read offenses and cover ground sure would be nice.The offense is so limited by the line. We saw how little push they got in the run game against a relatively good defensive front. And they cant pass block long enough to throw down the field, not that Kitna has the arm for that anymore anyway.I agree about Beuhler. He seems to have settled in. If he's going to take a year to learn how to be an FG kicker, a bad year like this is a good time to do it. Imagine a playoff team being held hostage by a learning guy? He'd be slaughtered in the media. Hopefully next year he'll be good to go.

I 100% disagree with drafting a DL in the first. We need an offensive tackle. Then in the second round we need an offensive guard. Then in the third round a new center. Then worry about DL. I would like to see a veteran safety that Ball and Church can learn from. I think they have potential but are a liability right not.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I'm happy to discuss the Redskins. What would you like to know?

So how will the Skins attack the Dallas D next week? Moss and Torrain seemed to do well agains the Tampa 2. How will they go after the Dallas 3-4?

When you have a bad O-line (and they most certainly do) and you worry about the opposing team's pass rush, you run the ball. With Torain back, that seems like a far more viable plan. Given that the Cowboys secondary continues to be problematic so I think they also take shots deep, especially to Moss and see if that won't open things up. Moss is the closest thing they have to DeSean Jackson. And of course you try to find Cooley. They never seem to do what I've been saying for years they should and that is go with a two-TE base set with Cooley and Davis which I think would be a big challenge to defend. I don't understand why not, but that's my take. Defensively I can never predict what the hell they're going to do or how effective they'll be. They're all over the board.

I can definitely see that game plan. Moss has been a "Cowboy killer" in years past. He's gotten the best of Newman on many occasions and I expect the Skins to try to go to that well again.How are the Skins at running offtackle plays? Do their linemen have the mobility to make effective trap blocks? Dallas showed susceptibility last night to wide stretch plays that went between the DE and OLB. Kickout on the OLB, push the DE inward to gum up traffic, bring around the offside guard to clear the hole and send the back through. McCoy had all his yards in the last drive on that play. And last year, Denver had great success doing the same thing.The 2TE offense is a good one to attack Dallas. The boys don't have the ILB speed to pass defend that setup very well. And it gets Washington's best players (Cooley, Davis, Moss, Armstrong) on the field.What is the health of the Skins defense? I don't follow them closely enough to know who's out besides Haynesworth. How have other teams been attacking the Skins D?

Health is lousy in a key spot, in the secondary. Landry is IR'd. Rogers (who's having a solid year in coverage) is out. Kareem Moore is out or IR'd. Their CB's are Buchanan, who sucked early on but who's played better of late, and Hall who's been solid within the context of his risk-taking style. Thank God Bryant is IR'd because I think he'd eat them up. Witten has to be licking his chops. Haynesworth's gone, so that sucks. Orakpo benefits greatly from Haynesworth's presence . . . when Haynesworth gives a #### anyway. They run off tackle well - that's a staple of the zone blocking scheme. They'd do well to run right at Ware IMHO. If McNabb has some time then I think they've got a chance at least to stay in the game, but I'd say the Cowboys should be 2:1 favorites to win in this game and should be favored by 5-7 points if I was handicapping.

 

[Ridgelake]

Well...another 3 point loss to a top NFC playoff team. I hate to lose but I like some of what I see out of this team. Still not happy with the play calling. Seems so conservative but I guess that is a product of the horrible offensive line. I like having young guys like Ball out there getting some PT but I think one of the biggest off season needs has to be a ball hawking safety to play behind these two corners. Jenkins takes too many chances and Newman just cannot cover anyone one on one anymore. He has to have safety help but the safety behind him is Ball who is out of position more times than not. Sensabaugh is average at best. Newman is an absolute liability.The offense looks good sometimes and then horrible the next minute. The playcallig is way too conservative for a team that isnt even going to make the playoffs. Averaging 30+ ppg is great but Garrett never really presses on the throttle once he gets a lead of any kind. Really frustrating sometimes that he goes conservative as soon as the game gets close. Beuhler really seems to be getting his mojo now on kickoffs and field goals. Glad we stuck with this kid.

I'm not sure how best fix the D either. I suspect our first rounder will go to a DL. A guy who can get pressure will make all 7 cover guys behind him better. A safety who can read offenses and cover ground sure would be nice.The offense is so limited by the line. We saw how little push they got in the run game against a relatively good defensive front. And they cant pass block long enough to throw down the field, not that Kitna has the arm for that anymore anyway.I agree about Beuhler. He seems to have settled in. If he's going to take a year to learn how to be an FG kicker, a bad year like this is a good time to do it. Imagine a playoff team being held hostage by a learning guy? He'd be slaughtered in the media. Hopefully next year he'll be good to go.

I 100% disagree with drafting a DL in the first. We need an offensive tackle. Then in the second round we need an offensive guard. Then in the third round a new center. Then worry about DL. I would like to see a veteran safety that Ball and Church can learn from. I think they have potential but are a liability right not.

I agree that we most definitely need an OT. Really, 4 OL. But from what I've seen on draft boards, there is no OT who rates in the ~10 range where we're likely to pick. As for DL, you do realize that the Boys are #31 in points allowed? That they're on pace to allow the most points scored against in team history? That there are at least 3 very strong candidates for our DL in the top 10? Last year was the year to draft OTs. This year is not, at least in the top half of the first round.

 

[Ridgelake]

I'm happy to discuss the Redskins. What would you like to know?

So how will the Skins attack the Dallas D next week? Moss and Torrain seemed to do well agains the Tampa 2. How will they go after the Dallas 3-4?

When you have a bad O-line (and they most certainly do) and you worry about the opposing team's pass rush, you run the ball. With Torain back, that seems like a far more viable plan. Given that the Cowboys secondary continues to be problematic so I think they also take shots deep, especially to Moss and see if that won't open things up. Moss is the closest thing they have to DeSean Jackson. And of course you try to find Cooley. They never seem to do what I've been saying for years they should and that is go with a two-TE base set with Cooley and Davis which I think would be a big challenge to defend. I don't understand why not, but that's my take. Defensively I can never predict what the hell they're going to do or how effective they'll be. They're all over the board.

I can definitely see that game plan. Moss has been a "Cowboy killer" in years past. He's gotten the best of Newman on many occasions and I expect the Skins to try to go to that well again.How are the Skins at running offtackle plays? Do their linemen have the mobility to make effective trap blocks? Dallas showed susceptibility last night to wide stretch plays that went between the DE and OLB. Kickout on the OLB, push the DE inward to gum up traffic, bring around the offside guard to clear the hole and send the back through. McCoy had all his yards in the last drive on that play. And last year, Denver had great success doing the same thing.The 2TE offense is a good one to attack Dallas. The boys don't have the ILB speed to pass defend that setup very well. And it gets Washington's best players (Cooley, Davis, Moss, Armstrong) on the field.What is the health of the Skins defense? I don't follow them closely enough to know who's out besides Haynesworth. How have other teams been attacking the Skins D?

Health is lousy in a key spot, in the secondary. Landry is IR'd. Rogers (who's having a solid year in coverage) is out. Kareem Moore is out or IR'd. Their CB's are Buchanan, who sucked early on but who's played better of late, and Hall who's been solid within the context of his risk-taking style. Thank God Bryant is IR'd because I think he'd eat them up. Witten has to be licking his chops. Haynesworth's gone, so that sucks. Orakpo benefits greatly from Haynesworth's presence . . . when Haynesworth gives a #### anyway. They run off tackle well - that's a staple of the zone blocking scheme. They'd do well to run right at Ware IMHO. If McNabb has some time then I think they've got a chance at least to stay in the game, but I'd say the Cowboys should be 2:1 favorites to win in this game and should be favored by 5-7 points if I was handicapping.

I suspect that Wash will try to run off tackle at Ware, as you mention. Its been a successful play against Dallas, coaxing Ware upfield, then running inside him. After establishing that play, then bootleg playaction off it, looking for Moss or Armstrong deep. It will be intereesting to watch how this plays out.What is the health of the Skins Dline? Orakpo is healthy. He causes lots of problems. Is Carter healthy? How about the DTs? Anyone there capable of generating a passrush? The reason that I ask, is Dallas changes the way the attack if they fear the passrush. They get much shorter and compact when they fear the rush. Far more checkdowns to the backs. Other quick passes too. If they don't fear the rush, they'll try for some longer plays. That potentially brings Austin back into the mix.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I suspect that Wash will try to run off tackle at Ware, as you mention. Its been a successful play against Dallas, coaxing Ware upfield, then running inside him. After establishing that play, then bootleg playaction off it, looking for Moss or Armstrong deep. It will be intereesting to watch how this plays out.What is the health of the Skins Dline? Orakpo is healthy. He causes lots of problems. Is Carter healthy? How about the DTs? Anyone there capable of generating a passrush? The reason that I ask, is Dallas changes the way the attack if they fear the passrush. They get much shorter and compact when they fear the rush. Far more checkdowns to the backs. Other quick passes too. If they don't fear the rush, they'll try for some longer plays. That potentially brings Austin back into the mix.

Orakpo's the only pass rush threat, and he's not - yet, anyway - shown he can do it on his own. Their d-line is generally healthy, but that doesn't mean that it's quality. A big gripe among 'Skins fans this year has been that the front seven of the defense is almost entirely unsuited to play the 3-4. That's a 4-3 front seven. They don't generate much pressure and they've been spotty-to-weak against the run. Bad combination, especially against a good, well-rounded offense like Dallas has.In rethinking the spread I'd probably adjust my estimate to a 7-10 point spread favoring Dallas obviously. This could be ugly.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I suspect that Wash will try to run off tackle at Ware, as you mention. Its been a successful play against Dallas, coaxing Ware upfield, then running inside him. After establishing that play, then bootleg playaction off it, looking for Moss or Armstrong deep. It will be intereesting to watch how this plays out.

What is the health of the Skins Dline? Orakpo is healthy. He causes lots of problems. Is Carter healthy? How about the DTs? Anyone there capable of generating a passrush?

The reason that I ask, is Dallas changes the way the attack if they fear the passrush. They get much shorter and compact when they fear the rush. Far more checkdowns to the backs. Other quick passes too. If they don't fear the rush, they'll try for some longer plays. That potentially brings Austin back into the mix.

Orakpo's the only pass rush threat, and he's not - yet, anyway - shown he can do it on his own. Their d-line is generally healthy, but that doesn't mean that it's quality. A big gripe among 'Skins fans this year has been that the front seven of the defense is almost entirely unsuited to play the 3-4. That's a 4-3 front seven. They don't generate much pressure and they've been spotty-to-weak against the run. Bad combination, especially against a good, well-rounded offense like Dallas has.

In rethinking the spread I'd probably adjust my estimate to a 7-10 70-100 point spread favoring Dallas obviously. This could be ugly.

Fixed.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Jesse Holley and Sam Hurd reported to split snaps opposite Miles Austin.

 

[UnderDawgs]

If anyone has a live link for this week's game, please shoot me a PM.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Hastur]

We struggled and barely won against a Rex Grossman led team.

I'll take it

 

[Mustang Man]

We struggled and barely won against a Rex Grossman led team.I'll take it

Nothing much to see here. They beat a Skins team that is going in the wrong direction once again. This team needs help in a lot of places. Let's hope they have a good off season cause it can be fixed to the point where they are back in the playoffs next season.

 

[Texasmouth]

Defense has to get fixed. Offense is averaging around 30 ppg under garrett. No pressure on the qb. Grossman picked apart the secondary.

Ill enjoy the good parts of the game. Kitna sure is a poised guy. I love his fire. He holds people accountable. Hopefully romo picks up some of his leadership qualities. Witten owned that game. Felix/choice are a great one-two punch. Not missing barber much.

Hurd sucks. I have waited on this guy to become who we thought he would be but he never makes plays when he needs to. He missed two catchable td that became fgs.

Beuhler is getting better. Nice to see him win a game.

 

[simmonjm]

We struggled and barely won against a Rex Grossman led team.I'll take it

Nothing much to see here. They beat a Skins team that is going in the wrong direction once again. This team needs help in a lot of places. Let's hope they have a good off season cause it can be fixed to the point where they are back in the playoffs next season.

Im not so sure Dallas can fix all the holes in one offseason unless there is no cap and they can spend on FA's without consequence. At this point the defense is so piss poor I think that defensive needs (S, ILB, & DE) supercedes the offensive line which is so bad that Garrett is only able to utilize 45-55% of his playbook because of thier limitations. Even with a cap you figure Dallas can sign 1 max guy that still leaves needs at the C, G x 2, FB, T, S, ILB, DE, which leaves 6 positions of need and there is less than a 1% of chance of hitting on 6/7 draft picks who are ready to play immediately.

 

[Ridgelake]

We struggled and barely won against a Rex Grossman led team.I'll take it

Nothing much to see here. They beat a Skins team that is going in the wrong direction once again. This team needs help in a lot of places. Let's hope they have a good off season cause it can be fixed to the point where they are back in the playoffs next season.

Im not so sure Dallas can fix all the holes in one offseason unless there is no cap and they can spend on FA's without consequence. At this point the defense is so piss poor I think that defensive needs (S, ILB, & DE) supercedes the offensive line which is so bad that Garrett is only able to utilize 45-55% of his playbook because of thier limitations. Even with a cap you figure Dallas can sign 1 max guy that still leaves needs at the C, G x 2, FB, T, S, ILB, DE, which leaves 6 positions of need and there is less than a 1% of chance of hitting on 6/7 draft picks who are ready to play immediately.

You're right that they can't fix all the holes in one year. But lets look at what they might be able to do:1) Draft DL in the first. A guy like Cameron Jordan from Cal, or with luck, Fairley from Auburn. These guys upgrade the passrush materially, giving us 4 passrushers along with Ware, Rat, and Spencer. A good pass rush makes all 7 cover guys better.2) 2nd/3rd picks. OL and/or safety. 2 starters found.3) FA: Another OL and S. This would bring 2 new OL and both safeties. 4) Sean Lee becomes the nickle LB and possibly a 3 down ILB. We ned more depth here, but we may have to live with James/Brookings playing major minutes for another year.5) Gurode gets 1 more year. He's the best of the old bunch remaining. Davis and Columbo are done. Kosier has raelly dropped off this year, but he may have to stick around 1 more year. Can't get 4 new OL in 1 season. Get 2 this year and 2 the next.It will take a couple of years to fix these holes. Some, like an interior pass rusher, and a couple decent safeties can likely make some real improvement possible.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I'm so confused.

Between these two teams they might be able to field one good defensive secondary, especially with Laron Landry on IR.

 

[Texasmouth]

So....

Good- Austin actually got some action. McGee looked pretty decent in relief.

Bad- Defense still sucks. Really. Bad.

Defense cost this team the game because the secondary is selfish and undisciplined. The Beuhler miss was brutal but all the defense has to do is make a couple of stops.

Hope this garbage defense doesnt cost Garrett a chance to be the full time coach.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The offensive line is terrible. They give up sacks, Columbo blows. They need to upgrade the offensive line and secondary and get 1 more pass rusher.

Don't worry about RB, don't worry about WR or TE. You need those things I've mentioned and if they don't improve in all of those areas they're nothing.

How many times have we lost games like last night? It's a freaken joke........because when you don't have a defense, you're subject to losing all kinds of ways.

I don't blame Buehler. We had a 2 point lead against a QB that is basically a scrub and we couldn't stop them. Screw it, we lose. Buehler it a 53 yarder and a 42 yarder. Even if he makes the field goal, you go to OT and Arizona has all the momentum Dallas likely loses anyway.

I'm glad they lost, with Romo we're definately a better team than them so what does a win prove at this point. We'll get a better draft pick. Start McGee next week against Philly too so we can get somebody good in the draft.

 

[Statorama]

Can someone do me a solid and tell me why the Cowboys didn't go for two (the one TD that Barber took his helmet off)?

It doesn't matter if you're down 1 or 2 at that point

I'm sure it's been discussed in here, but I don't know where it's buried in this monster thread.

 

[Hastur]

I'm starting to lose hope about making the playoffs

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Can someone do me a solid and tell me why the Cowboys didn't go for two (the one TD that Barber took his helmet off)?It doesn't matter if you're down 1 or 2 at that pointI'm sure it's been discussed in here, but I don't know where it's buried in this monster thread.

My take was there was over a quarter to go and at that point, the offenses were starting to score some points so you're thinking is there will be plenty of scoring still to go. If you're down 1 point rather than 2 points, if Arizona scores a TD, then they're only down by 8 points which is 1 score. If you miss the 2 and Arizona scores a TD, then you're down 9 and that's 2 scores again. So going for 1 there makes sure if Arizona scores a TD they are still only down 1 score.With that said, when you have your 3rd string QB in there, you never know when your next scoring chance will be. I think with 1 minute or so in the 3rd, I would have taken my chances and went for 2 there and tied it up. If you don't get it, you hope your D can keep them out of the endzone.I guess Garrett knew what he was doing by going for 1 because he knew he couldn't trust the D.With all that's gone on this year that's the most disappointing thing to me, is the defense. I went in to this season thinking the Cowboy D was going to be dominant. I was so far off base it's sick, almost as sick as the Dallas secondary.

 

[Texasmouth]

I just hope jerry decides he wants to win this year instead of selling jerseys. We need o-line and d-line. We need a Darren Woodson type safety that can be our defensive linebacker.

We need to fire that little troll Campo. He sucks. His corners suck.

 

[simmonjm]

I just hope jerry decides he wants to win this year instead of selling jerseys. We need o-line and d-line. We need a Darren Woodson type safety that can be our defensive linebacker. We need to fire that little troll Campo. He sucks. His corners suck.

I dont regret the Dez Bryant pick for one second. I love that Cowboys took BPA instead of need. How much difference would Dan Williams, Jared Odrick, Jerry Hues (subsequent first round picks) have made? I do agree though that OL,DL,S, are huge needs in the offseason.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I just hope jerry decides he wants to win this year instead of selling jerseys. We need o-line and d-line. We need a Darren Woodson type safety that can be our defensive linebacker. We need to fire that little troll Campo. He sucks. His corners suck.

I think the Cowboys get beat up pretty good in Philly next week. It'll be hard for Jerry Jones to keep Garrett IMO. He hasn't done a bad job, I could probably say he's done a fine job.I don't know if doing a fine job is good enough. I think losing the NO's game and losing this Arizona game, games Dallas should have won still looks the same as Phillips. If the game is kind of ugly next week, I just don't see Jones hiring him. I'm not against the guy, if Jones thinks he has what it takes to turn the Cowboys around, I'm all for it. I'm not around him every day. Jones and the rest of the staff have been and they've had a chance to see him now for more than a 1/4 of a season so they'll have that to go on.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I just hope jerry decides he wants to win this year instead of selling jerseys. We need o-line and d-line. We need a Darren Woodson type safety that can be our defensive linebacker. We need to fire that little troll Campo. He sucks. His corners suck.

I dont regret the Dez Bryant pick for one second. I love that Cowboys took BPA instead of need. How much difference would Dan Williams, Jared Odrick, Jerry Hues (subsequent first round picks) have made? I do agree though that OL,DL,S, are huge needs in the offseason.

Ya, Dez should be a good pick and Lee looks like he'll be a player. However with the next draft, they do need to start getting some meat nad potatoes players because our offensive line is bad. We're fooling ourselves if we think anything different. We can't run when we need to and we can't stop anybody when we want to, other than that we're fine

 

[simmonjm]

Ya, Dez should be a good pick and Lee looks like he'll be a player. However with the next draft, they do need to start getting some meat nad potatoes players because our offensive line is bad. We're fooling ourselves if we think anything different. We can't run when we need to and we can't stop anybody when we want to, other than that we're fine

I think the Cowboys thought they could put off the O-line and D-line rebuild for one more year and push for a championship this year obvioulsly didnt work but I am quite sure they know of the dire state of the offensive line as Garrett is not able to run his vertical offense because of the lack of protection. Dream scenario next year Garrett as HC, Norv Turner as OC, Manusky as DC and DeCamilis remaining on staff

 

[Ariakis]

Anyone know the tie breakers for the 5 win teams?

If Dallas somehow wins next week it'll pick 11th or later. A loss could push them as high as top 5. That missed XPAT could be huge for draft status. That said, Philly may rest starters which could give Dallas a chance.

Possible 6 win teams:

Lions 5-10 **Plays Min, 6-10? One of Min/Det will stil have 5 wins though.

The 5 win cluster:

Browns 5-10 **Play Pitt who need the win

Texans 5-10 **Play Jags who need the win

49ers 5-10 **Plays Cards

Cards 5-10 **Plays 49ers

Vikings 5-10 **Assuming loss Tues and next week

Cowboys 5-10 **Hoping for a loss despite Philly resting starters potentially

Bills 4-11 **Play a Jets team that may rest starters

Top 3 picks are very likely to be:

Bengals 4-11 **Play Ravens who need the win

Broncos 4-11 **Play an angry Chargers team

Panthrs 2-13 **Clinched #1 pick

Not sure how the tie breakers work but picking 4th vs picking 11th or 12th is a pretty big jump and that of course assumes Philly will try to win next week.

 

[Boom Switch]

Anyone know the tie breakers for the 5 win teams?If Dallas somehow wins next week it'll pick 11th or later. A loss could push them as high as top 5. That missed XPAT could be huge for draft status. That said, Philly may rest starters which could give Dallas a chance.Possible 6 win teams:Lions 5-10 **Plays Min, 6-10? One of Min/Det will stil have 5 wins though.The 5 win cluster:Browns 5-10 **Play Pitt who need the winTexans 5-10 **Play Jags who need the win49ers 5-10 **Plays CardsCards 5-10 **Plays 49ersVikings 5-10 **Assuming loss Tues and next weekCowboys 5-10 **Hoping for a loss despite Philly resting starters potentiallyBills 4-11 **Play a Jets team that may rest startersTop 3 picks are very likely to be:Bengals 4-11 **Play Ravens who need the winBroncos 4-11 **Play an angry Chargers teamPanthrs 2-13 **Clinched #1 pickNot sure how the tie breakers work but picking 4th vs picking 11th or 12th is a pretty big jump and that of course assumes Philly will try to win next week.

Philly could throw the game and Dallas would still find a way to lose. Maybe they can give up a 4th and 45 next week to lose it....

 

[Texasmouth]

I like the Dez pick. I like the Felix pick. I am done with that now though. O-line and D-line is all I want to see. This defense is a mess. Not sure if it can be blamed on the current D-coordinator or Garrett since they really didnt have much say in the drafting of defense at the time.

I dont know about Garrett either. I think it will be really tough for Jerry to pass on Bill Cowah, John Gruden or his personal love Jeff Fisher. Not much chance Fisher will be back next year in Tennessee.

If Garrett doesnt come back, I would like to see him make a good run at Gruden. I think he is perfect for this team, perfect for the area and perfect for Tony Romo. I think they would be magic together.

 

[Statorama]

Can someone do me a solid and tell me why the Cowboys didn't go for two (the one TD that Barber took his helmet off)?It doesn't matter if you're down 1 or 2 at that pointI'm sure it's been discussed in here, but I don't know where it's buried in this monster thread.

My take was there was over a quarter to go and at that point, the offenses were starting to score some points so you're thinking is there will be plenty of scoring still to go. If you're down 1 point rather than 2 points, if Arizona scores a TD, then they're only down by 8 points which is 1 score. If you miss the 2 and Arizona scores a TD, then you're down 9 and that's 2 scores again. So going for 1 there makes sure if Arizona scores a TD they are still only down 1 score.

Not a bad reason. Thanks for the post.

 

[Ridgelake]

Anyone know the tie breakers for the 5 win teams?If Dallas somehow wins next week it'll pick 11th or later. A loss could push them as high as top 5. That missed XPAT could be huge for draft status. That said, Philly may rest starters which could give Dallas a chance.Possible 6 win teams:Lions 5-10 **Plays Min, 6-10? One of Min/Det will stil have 5 wins though.The 5 win cluster:Browns 5-10 **Play Pitt who need the winTexans 5-10 **Play Jags who need the win49ers 5-10 **Plays CardsCards 5-10 **Plays 49ersVikings 5-10 **Assuming loss Tues and next weekCowboys 5-10 **Hoping for a loss despite Philly resting starters potentiallyBills 4-11 **Play a Jets team that may rest startersTop 3 picks are very likely to be:Bengals 4-11 **Play Ravens who need the winBroncos 4-11 **Play an angry Chargers teamPanthrs 2-13 **Clinched #1 pickNot sure how the tie breakers work but picking 4th vs picking 11th or 12th is a pretty big jump and that of course assumes Philly will try to win next week.

My understanding is that the tie breakers are strength of schedule. Easiest SOS picks earlier. According to Rafael Vela, we still have a chance to pick as early as 4th. My guess is we'll end up around 7th, assuming a loss to the Eagles. But we'll see.I'd love to see Nick Fairley wearing a Cowboy uniform and lining up next to his clone, Jay Ratliff.

 

[Tyrion]

I just hope jerry decides he wants to win this year instead of selling jerseys. We need o-line and d-line. We need a Darren Woodson type safety that can be our defensive linebacker. We need to fire that little troll Campo. He sucks. His corners suck.

I think the Cowboys get beat up pretty good in Philly next week. It'll be hard for Jerry Jones to keep Garrett IMO. He hasn't done a bad job, I could probably say he's done a fine job.I don't know if doing a fine job is good enough. I think losing the NO's game and losing this Arizona game, games Dallas should have won still looks the same as Phillips. If the game is kind of ugly next week, I just don't see Jones hiring him. I'm not against the guy, if Jones thinks he has what it takes to turn the Cowboys around, I'm all for it. I'm not around him every day. Jones and the rest of the staff have been and they've had a chance to see him now for more than a 1/4 of a season so they'll have that to go on.

We need a safety that can cover as well as hit. Hopefully one that can hold on to a ball. I still have some hope for Akwasi and Church but I agree that we need to draft or trade for one as well. I agree that Campo needs to go. Things don't look good for Garrett getting the job. From the interview it almost looked like Jerry was trying to position him for staying the OC. All the talk about Jason's lack of experience seemed to lead me in that direction.Those wanting a Head Coach that has previously won a Superbowl need to be concerned as well with Jerry's little tidbit that no Coach has won a Superbowl with two different teams. Sounds like he is prepping the the way for someone else.Those people wanting a coach who acts like Bill Belichick should rejoice that Josh McDaniels is free now. Or do you guys just want a coach that wins like Bill? It is a curious thing. Does Bill win because he acts the way he does or does he get to act the way he does because he wins?Giving the way Jerry was talking in the interview I suspect that he won't make a decision until after the playoffs. Actually given Jerry, he will make his decision sometime during the week of the Superbowl, if his candidate is not playing in it.Garrett and Capers have a good relationship. Jones likes Defensive Coordinators as his head coaches. The defense is once again the weak link. Could Jones be trying to move for a Capers head coach and Garrett OC?Just some thoughts. Forgive me if there are similar thoughts on the board. I have been off the boards for a bit.

 

[Ariakis]

I suppose it's bad news the Eagles got upset ... it gives them nothing to play for next week against us. As much as I hate rooting for Dallas to lose it's the right thing for the future especially if it doesn't cost the Eagles anything.

Revised standings:

Vikings 6-9 **Works out best if the Lions win if Dallas loses and the Vikes win if Dallas manages to win

The 5 win cluster:

Lions 5-10 **Plays Min in a coin flip to reach 6 wins or push Min to 7 wins. Played both teams so SOS will wash.

Browns 5-10 **Play Pitt who need the win I think. Root for Cle.

Texans 5-10 **Play Jags who need the win but winnable for them. Root for Hou although a loss helps worse SOS.

49ers 5-10 **Plays Cards. One of these teams will hit 6 wins. A tie would be excellent.

Cards 5-10 **Plays 49ers. One of these teams will hit 6 wins. A tie would be excellent. For worse SOS it may help slightly if the Cards lose between the two.

Cowboys 5-10 **Hoping for a loss despite Philly resting starters potentially

Bills 4-11 **Play a Jets team that may rest starters. This team has the most to lose by winning as they could drop from top 3 to 8+ with a win.

Top 3 picks are very likely to be:

Bengals 4-11 **Play Ravens who need the win. Anything is possible so root for the Bengals.

Broncos 4-11 **Play an angry Chargers team and/or a team that quit. Root for the Broncos.

Panthrs 2-13 **Clinched #1 pick

If the Bills, Broncos, and Bengals all win and Dallas loses the massive 5 win team tie breaker will decide draft slot #2 through 10.

Given there are other 6 loss teams, a Dallas win could drop them from a chance at the 2nd overall pick to potentially outside of the top 10.

 

[Tyrion]

I suppose it's bad news the Eagles got upset ... it gives them nothing to play for next week against us. As much as I hate rooting for Dallas to lose it's the right thing for the future especially if it doesn't cost the Eagles anything.

Hey and the Philly fans will get to see a terrible game. Screw em.

 

[The Man With No Name]

The Cowboys have signed kicker Kris Brown.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Philly could throw the game and Dallas would still find a way to lose. Maybe they can give up a 4th and 45 next week to lose it....

We'll get a chance to test your theory. I don't expect most of the Eagles' starters to play much, if at all.

 

[dhockster]

I suppose it's bad news the Eagles got upset ... it gives them nothing to play for next week against us. As much as I hate rooting for Dallas to lose it's the right thing for the future especially if it doesn't cost the Eagles anything.

Hey and the Philly fans will get to see a terrible game. Screw em.

Stay classy, Cowboy fan.