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It was a 31 year old Sheldon Brown we traded right? Or was it him at 26? Seriously, raped? You got a 4 and 5 for a guy that was probably going to be cut and a disgruntled 31 year old CB who wants a new deal. I don't see how we got raped, it looks like a fair deal for both teams. I liked Brown and all but this was the time to get rid of him and I'm glad they did.
You have no idea how many seasons he has left in him, he was all ready gimpy for a lot of last season. At his age he could easily be out of the league in a years time, he's just as likley to be the next Bobby Taylor as he is to have another 3 years in him.There is no way a team was going to give up a 3rd round pick for a 31 year old CB and there's no way the Eagles were going to give him an extension. Getting a 4th and 5th for him was reasonable compensation. No one cares what he did last season, at his age the chances of him keeping up that level of play are low.
I think we have a TATEr on the loose fellas.
They've also released Westbrook and Darren Howard. McNabb will be next. Quite the house cleaning.
This frustrates me. While I don't think the Eagles are a Super Bowl team right now, this analyses is unfair. Bradley alone is a huge upgrade. Hobbs is no slouch. Tapp is a legit attempt to find an edge rusher, and while safety play was poor last year, Macho Harris was a rookie and Demps was only a 2nd year man, and it's far from unreasonable to expect one or both to improve dramatically this year.The defense was down a bit last year...but they weren't that far away...and this OFFENSE is stacked at the skill positions. How much better does the Defense have to be to win a first round bye? WE WERE ONE GAME AWAY FROM THAT... ONE!Fire the Fat Man said:
Terrible oversight. How could I forget Westbrook. Didnt know about Howard. They have saved a TON of money. Trading McNabb for a pick would save them more obviously.They've also released Westbrook and Darren Howard. McNabb will be next. Quite the house cleaning.
We had 1 win against a team over .500 and that was against the Falcons who didn't have their 2 best players (Turner and Ryan) playing. They had a very easy schedule last year and that had a lot to do with the fact they finished 11-5. Against the Saints, Cowboys and Chargers the defense was easily exposed. How do you not see this. That smells like bllind homerism to me. All you see is the record but don't dig deeper on how they achived that record.This offense has a lot of skill players, the offensive line is average and with Kolb at QB that could be a problem.
Franchise value for QBs was $14.6 this year, it will be north of $16-$17mm with Brady and Manning due extensions, as well as escalators kicking in for a number of other QBs signed to recent deals. Again, with Oakland ANYTHING is possible, but that's still a low probability outcome.
Nope....I'm well aware of when/where we got our wins last year, and every year. I'm also aware that that defense which was admitedly marginal last year also suffered a ton of bad injuries, and WAS YOUNG...IS YOUNG! I'm saying that it's very reasonable to expect the defense to stay the same or even improve slightly over last year even if we add nothing more then the drafted players from here forward....and that the offense (with a healthy line) is good enough to keep this a playoff team...NOT a team we should be so pessimistic about.I watched Kolb stand tall in the face of an all out blitz, and deliver the ball ACCURATELY on a quick slant....several times in those games. He doesn't have as nice a deep ball as McNabb, but I honestly don't think he's the big step backwards some herre think.
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Ok first off. Sheldon just turned 31 in March. Is he on a decline? No, he had a hamstring problem last season towards the end of the year. The guy is never hurt & hasnt missed a start in his career. Some football people stated last season was one of his better years overall. Some decline huh. Now tell me who replaces sheldon on our team right now? No one. Hanson & Hobbs are not nearly as good as he has been & is. Do either that 4th or 5th round pick get someone to replace sheldon? Chances are..extremely low. All the Browns did was restructure his contract. No new deal, just redid the exsisting contract I believe. All the Eagles had to do was redo his deal to give him some more money considering the guy has been playing above his contract for a while now. They would have avoided alot of things. Face it, this trade did these things.1. Created a very big hole at CB. We had a hole, mainly what to do at nickel and a future replacement for Sheldon. Now we need a NOW replacement for sheldon. Considering all the other high priority needs on this team, this is something we didn't need.2. Makes the defense worse.3. Makes Heckert look like a genius ( have you seen anyone praise the Eagles on this trade? Nope, its been all praise towards the Browns ) Again, Browns stole Brown & Gocong. Eagles are worse off now. That is how I feel right now with everything that is going on,( McNabb crap, Banner extension etc ) the Eagles are looking clueless out there this offseason. Will it change with the draft? Who knows? You would hope so otherwise this offseason is looking to be a failure.If I was a tater, wouldn't you see me hear screaming for McNabb to be gone?I'm not sure how giving up two draft picks for a 31 yeard old 5'10" CB and swapping underachieving LBs makes Heckert look like a genius considering his team should be stockpiling those draft picks right now. Eagles defense is worse off if they don't add a quality CB somewhere along the line. Let's not pass judgment until the dust settles here. Has there been any talk of Lito returning? The Eagles love to send a player away for a year or two then resign him on the cheap.YesOk first off. Sheldon just turned 31 in March. Is he on a decline? No, he had a hamstring problem last season towards the end of the year. The guy is never hurt & hasnt missed a start in his career. Some football people stated last season was one of his better years overall. Some decline huh. Now tell me who replaces sheldon on our team right now? No one. Hanson & Hobbs are not nearly as good as he has been & is. Do either that 4th or 5th round pick get someone to replace sheldon? Chances are..extremely low. All the Browns did was restructure his contract. No new deal, just redid the exsisting contract I believe. All the Eagles had to do was redo his deal to give him some more money considering the guy has been playing above his contract for a while now. They would have avoided alot of things. Face it, this trade did these things.1. Created a very big hole at CB. We had a hole, mainly what to do at nickel and a future replacement for Sheldon. Now we need a NOW replacement for sheldon. Considering all the other high priority needs on this team, this is something we didn't need.2. Makes the defense worse.3. Makes Heckert look like a genius ( have you seen anyone praise the Eagles on this trade? Nope, its been all praise towards the Browns ) Again, Browns stole Brown & Gocong. Eagles are worse off now. That is how I feel right now with everything that is going on,( McNabb crap, Banner extension etc ) the Eagles are looking clueless out there this offseason. Will it change with the draft? Who knows? You would hope so otherwise this offseason is looking to be a failure.If I was a tater, wouldn't you see me hear screaming for McNabb to be gone?
Crap. You're right. Who are the Eagles playing this Sunday?YesOk first off. Sheldon just turned 31 in March. Is he on a decline? No, he had a hamstring problem last season towards the end of the year. The guy is never hurt & hasnt missed a start in his career. Some football people stated last season was one of his better years overall. Some decline huh. Now tell me who replaces sheldon on our team right now? No one. Hanson & Hobbs are not nearly as good as he has been & is. Do either that 4th or 5th round pick get someone to replace sheldon? Chances are..extremely low. All the Browns did was restructure his contract. No new deal, just redid the exsisting contract I believe. All the Eagles had to do was redo his deal to give him some more money considering the guy has been playing above his contract for a while now. They would have avoided alot of things. Face it, this trade did these things.1. Created a very big hole at CB. We had a hole, mainly what to do at nickel and a future replacement for Sheldon. Now we need a NOW replacement for sheldon. Considering all the other high priority needs on this team, this is something we didn't need.2. Makes the defense worse.3. Makes Heckert look like a genius ( have you seen anyone praise the Eagles on this trade? Nope, its been all praise towards the Browns ) Again, Browns stole Brown & Gocong. Eagles are worse off now. That is how I feel right now with everything that is going on,( McNabb crap, Banner extension etc ) the Eagles are looking clueless out there this offseason. Will it change with the draft? Who knows? You would hope so otherwise this offseason is looking to be a failure.If I was a tater, wouldn't you see me hear screaming for McNabb to be gone?
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All of this talk about how they got hosed is ridiculous. There have been many times when we wonder what they are doing, yet they consistently put out a winning team, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt until the season. Gocong for Hall is a wash, they really should've never drafted Gocong, so hopefully Hall is a better fit for the D. Everyone knows how the Eagles view players over 30. Sheldon is still a good CB, but at 31, wasn't gonna get the contract he wanted and high 4th and 5th round picks sounds fair. Who knows, I'm sure they are not done dealing and maybe all this leads to something else. As a fan of this team, I'm willing to let the process play out and not rip the team b/c on paper, the trade might look bad.
I thought Jake was released last year?
Jack Ikegwuonu was released 09-05-2009.
He was never a fit for the 4-3 system, likely do better in the 3-4 with cleveland. Wasted pick by the fatman trying to look smart picking small school playerLooks like Reid nipped that in the bud:"I think Asante knows he needs to have a better year than what he had, even though he was a Pro Bowler," Reid told the Philadelphia Inquirer.JaxBill said:
Actually he played well at SAM in 07 but stopped progressing. He was then tried some at DE (where his talent was supposed to be) and did little. The Browns are going to line him up at ILB. I would say getting a couple decent years out of him and being able to trade him for something isn't a wasted pick. It was a late 3rd supplemental pick. You had to pick someone.E-A-G-L-E-S said:He was never a fit for the 4-3 system, likely do better in the 3-4 with cleveland. Wasted pick by the fatman trying to look smart picking small school player
Obviously trading him toa division rival is terrible, but I don't know they could have gotten more for him on draft day, especially if the 2011 third round seems attainable.Haven't talked to my buddy yet, but I'll be sure to express my displeasure.
i guess on the one hand, finishing last won't be the worst thing in the world. as long as kolb shows that this was the right move.
Next year is a growing year. With all their picks, they are obviously going to be aggressive in the draft.
Reunited with Thrash? LOL I thought the Brown Gocong deal was horrible, Howie & Andy are making themselves look like fools out there.Everyone is talking about all these picks. Its taken them how many drafts to get a legit WR? What makes people think this draft is going to fill the holes WITH starting material players? Hell they made it so they HAVE to be aggressive in the draft. This is just....it is mind boggling.I can't wait to see how Spadaro spins this one.
I was sitting down. And I'm of two minds. I'm LIVID about this deal. BUT, I don't understand why all the folks who wanted McNabb out of town are angry. If you thought he was no longer good enough to keep and run our offense, why would you be upset that he's now going to run a division rival's offense?
Cause half of those idiots just roll with what 610 and the eagles spin out. 1. I was upset they were going to trade him2. Now they trade him to a divisional team...for crap imho is absurdWonder how long before one of the talking heads ask the eagles if they know the redskins are in the division.#2 is the reason why some people who wanted him gone are angry i believe.
He's been an average QB over the last few years. I don't think he signed an extension (yet) with WAS so he could be gone after next year. The Eagles aren't a playoff team next year with or without #5. Watch for him to be in Minny in '11.
