*** Official 2010 Philadelphia Eagles Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[dhockster]

Okay, on the QB issue:

I think using the 37th pick on a QB is not the thing to do. However, I think I see the Eagles line of thinking.

If Kolb works out and the Eagles sign the #37 QB to a four year contract, in three years, the Eagles are presumably in the same position they were in this year with Kolb. They have a QB that they have developed in their system for 3 years that is ready to start. However, Kolb has worked out and is a pro bowl QB and therefore, the Eagles trade this #37 QB for a 1st round pick and possibly another pick. The pick this year wasn't wasted, it was deferred and enhanced in the future.

Now if Kolb does not work out in the next 1-2 years, you have another QB on your roster who hopefully, is ready to take over the helm from the failed Kolb.

I think they are targeting the QB they want at 37 so they make sure they get him, similar to what they did with Kolb 3 years ago. They did not want to risk that they would not get him so they drafted him higher than he was thought to go.

Remember the Eagles history: they turned AJ Feeley who was a 5th round pick into a 2nd round pick when they traded him to the Dolphins. I am just going by hearsay, but supposedly the Eagles were being offered 1st round picks for Kolb this year, they just didn't do it because they were asking for more.

If this is in fact what they are doing, I hope they explain it to Kevin Kolb so he is not looking over his shoulder. Again, I don't like the move because it defers getting better sooner, which in the long run may keep the Eagles good for a long period, but like we have seen over the last ten years, not good enough to win a championship.

 

[Jedimaster21]

I love DH's contributions...But I am willing to bet anyone there is NO CHANCE the Eagles take a QB at 37. Why take a rookie QB early and start a QB controversy for Kolb? Makes no sense whatsoever. You dont bring a rookie QB in to challenge the brand new starting QB. The Eagles may take a late round one... but not in the 2nd. If they did that it would be McNabb for a backup QB. .stupid on 1000 levels.

Actually, that is exactly what you do (and they did when they brought in Kolb a few years ago). If you are a true player, then competition or controversy doesn't bother you. Look at Brees when they drafted Rivers, look at Favre when they drafted Rodgers, or even Montana when they brought in Steve Young...different situations I know, but competition brings out the best in players.History shows that the Eagles use this tactic consistently at almost all positions.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I really hope this "taking a QB in the 2nd round" crap is all a smokescreen. It could all be posturing to incite a potential trade out of the pick, no?

Not a smokescreen because this isnt leaked to the media.. If Adam Caplan or Schefter or Eskin reported it,then you can argue it was leaked.. but having DH report would make no senseDH is in a funny position.. if things he reports are true, he is a genius or has great sources.. if they dont happen, he can blame it on the way the picks fell, etc... that said, I am becoming more of a skeptic... He reported that the trade of McNabb to the Rams was a near fait acoompli when McClain reported it which did not occur. He had no mention off Tapp or Sims, nor was he in front of the mcNabb trade. So we are left with the Peters deal... and the fact the he said the Eagles liked a WR in 2009 (and also a DE).. He should sent a top secret message with the names to one of the FBG to keep in confidence before the draft and then release it after to prove that he is legit.I can tell you my source says they will take a Safety, CB or OG in the first.. they are enamoured with players at all 3 postions. My source says they are considering a WR in the mid rounds... and are definitely open to trading multiple picks to get the guy they love They are looking to move WAY up in the first if they can get a certain player. Now.. if they take McCoy at 37, I will eat my words and sing DH's praise. Because besides Tebow, all of the other QBS should be there at 37.

Believe what you will, I really don't care. The Rams/McNabb trade WAS done, they just couldn't get McNabb to come on board with it. There were a lot of threats made by McNabb that I will not repeat because the general public was not made aware of them. For the McNabb/WAS trade, that was Easter weekend and I was two states away at my Parents place with my wife and kids. No computer access until late Sunday evening. With Sims, he just didn't call me about it. It was pretty much a non-issue in his eyes as he doesn't particularly like Sims.

 

[unckeyherb]

I really hope this "taking a QB in the 2nd round" crap is all a smokescreen. It could all be posturing to incite a potential trade out of the pick, no?

Not a smokescreen because this isnt leaked to the media.. If Adam Caplan or Schefter or Eskin reported it,then you can argue it was leaked.. but having DH report would make no senseDH is in a funny position.. if things he reports are true, he is a genius or has great sources.. if they dont happen, he can blame it on the way the picks fell, etc... that said, I am becoming more of a skeptic... He reported that the trade of McNabb to the Rams was a near fait acoompli when McClain reported it which did not occur. He had no mention off Tapp or Sims, nor was he in front of the mcNabb trade. So we are left with the Peters deal... and the fact the he said the Eagles liked a WR in 2009 (and also a DE).. He should sent a top secret message with the names to one of the FBG to keep in confidence before the draft and then release it after to prove that he is legit.

I can tell you my source says they will take a Safety, CB or OG in the first.. they are enamoured with players at all 3 postions. My source says they are considering a WR in the mid rounds... and are definitely open to trading multiple picks to get the guy they love They are looking to move WAY up in the first if they can get a certain player.

Now.. if they take McCoy at 37, I will eat my words and sing DH's praise. Because besides Tebow, all of the other QBS should be there at 37.

Please let it be Berry, Please let it be Berry.....

 

[drdgreenlove]

I love DH's contributions...But I am willing to bet anyone there is NO CHANCE the Eagles take a QB at 37. Why take a rookie QB early and start a QB controversy for Kolb? Makes no sense whatsoever. You dont bring a rookie QB in to challenge the brand new starting QB. The Eagles may take a late round one... but not in the 2nd. If they did that it would be McNabb for a backup QB. .stupid on 1000 levels.

Actually, that is exactly what you do (and they did when they brought in Kolb a few years ago). If you are a true player, then competition or controversy doesn't bother you. Look at Brees when they drafted Rivers, look at Favre when they drafted Rodgers, or even Montana when they brought in Steve Young...different situations I know, but competition brings out the best in players.History shows that the Eagles use this tactic consistently at almost all positions.

very different.. all were established starters.. two of them were older all-pros. Brees is the best example, but the Chargers had doubts about him which is why they drafted Rivers. When Rivers was drafted, everyone knew it was to supplant Rivers. Obviously Kolb has been here for awhile. But since he has never been the full time starter, brining in a high drated rookie would be dumb. Reid is a smart coach and wouldnt do this. If Kolb struggled this year, maybe they would pick a QB in 2011, but NO WAY this is done now.

 

[drdgreenlove]

I really hope this "taking a QB in the 2nd round" crap is all a smokescreen. It could all be posturing to incite a potential trade out of the pick, no?

Not a smokescreen because this isnt leaked to the media.. If Adam Caplan or Schefter or Eskin reported it,then you can argue it was leaked.. but having DH report would make no senseDH is in a funny position.. if things he reports are true, he is a genius or has great sources.. if they dont happen, he can blame it on the way the picks fell, etc... that said, I am becoming more of a skeptic... He reported that the trade of McNabb to the Rams was a near fait acoompli when McClain reported it which did not occur. He had no mention off Tapp or Sims, nor was he in front of the mcNabb trade. So we are left with the Peters deal... and the fact the he said the Eagles liked a WR in 2009 (and also a DE).. He should sent a top secret message with the names to one of the FBG to keep in confidence before the draft and then release it after to prove that he is legit.

I can tell you my source says they will take a Safety, CB or OG in the first.. they are enamoured with players at all 3 postions. My source says they are considering a WR in the mid rounds... and are definitely open to trading multiple picks to get the guy they love They are looking to move WAY up in the first if they can get a certain player.

Now.. if they take McCoy at 37, I will eat my words and sing DH's praise. Because besides Tebow, all of the other QBS should be there at 37.

Please let it be Berry, Please let it be Berry.....

Srry, I should have been more clear.. I was trying to be sarcastic.. I have no source

 

[JetMaxx]

I really hope this "taking a QB in the 2nd round" crap is all a smokescreen. It could all be posturing to incite a potential trade out of the pick, no?

Not a smokescreen because this isnt leaked to the media.. If Adam Caplan or Schefter or Eskin reported it,then you can argue it was leaked.. but having DH report would make no senseDH is in a funny position.. if things he reports are true, he is a genius or has great sources.. if they dont happen, he can blame it on the way the picks fell, etc... that said, I am becoming more of a skeptic... He reported that the trade of McNabb to the Rams was a near fait acoompli when McClain reported it which did not occur. He had no mention off Tapp or Sims, nor was he in front of the mcNabb trade. So we are left with the Peters deal... and the fact the he said the Eagles liked a WR in 2009 (and also a DE).. He should sent a top secret message with the names to one of the FBG to keep in confidence before the draft and then release it after to prove that he is legit.

I can tell you my source says they will take a Safety, CB or OG in the first.. they are enamoured with players at all 3 postions. My source says they are considering a WR in the mid rounds... and are definitely open to trading multiple picks to get the guy they love They are looking to move WAY up in the first if they can get a certain player.

Now.. if they take McCoy at 37, I will eat my words and sing DH's praise. Because besides Tebow, all of the other QBS should be there at 37.

Please let it be Berry, Please let it be Berry.....

Srry, I should have been more clear.. I was trying to be sarcastic.. I have no source

ETA: Thanks as always DH!

 

[unckeyherb]

I really hope this "taking a QB in the 2nd round" crap is all a smokescreen. It could all be posturing to incite a potential trade out of the pick, no?

Not a smokescreen because this isnt leaked to the media.. If Adam Caplan or Schefter or Eskin reported it,then you can argue it was leaked.. but having DH report would make no senseDH is in a funny position.. if things he reports are true, he is a genius or has great sources.. if they dont happen, he can blame it on the way the picks fell, etc... that said, I am becoming more of a skeptic... He reported that the trade of McNabb to the Rams was a near fait acoompli when McClain reported it which did not occur. He had no mention off Tapp or Sims, nor was he in front of the mcNabb trade. So we are left with the Peters deal... and the fact the he said the Eagles liked a WR in 2009 (and also a DE).. He should sent a top secret message with the names to one of the FBG to keep in confidence before the draft and then release it after to prove that he is legit.

I can tell you my source says they will take a Safety, CB or OG in the first.. they are enamoured with players at all 3 postions. My source says they are considering a WR in the mid rounds... and are definitely open to trading multiple picks to get the guy they love They are looking to move WAY up in the first if they can get a certain player.

Now.. if they take McCoy at 37, I will eat my words and sing DH's praise. Because besides Tebow, all of the other QBS should be there at 37.

Please let it be Berry, Please let it be Berry.....

Srry, I should have been more clear.. I was trying to be sarcastic.. I have no source

Fair enough. I'd still like to see them package a couple of picks to move up and get Berry. If a side effect of that means they decide not to draft a QB at 37...I'm okay with that

 

[scratcher]

If they're planning on spending #37 on a QB, I am ALL ABOUT them moving up in the first with that pick.

 

[Jason Wood]

You can go nuts trying to extrapolate a record from the schedule, but I would think we'll have a hard time hitting 0.500 this year. Yet obviously that's part of rebuilding with such a young team. So a 6-10 or 7-9 record while we get real experience for our youngsters and set ourselves up for another long run at the top of the NFC East in 2011 and beyond is perfectly fine with me.

What youngsters need experience?The entire offense is coming back. Kolb isn't a rookie.Defensively, they may have 1 or 2 rookies. While this may be a young team, they certainly aren't going to be inexperienced.

Kolb isn't a rookie, but he's an inexperienced starter. Even if he plays as well as the fantasy prognosticators expect, that doesn't mean the NFL results will be stellar from a win-loss perspective. We also have a RB situation that's inexperienced. McCoy is hardly a full formed player, Mike Bell needs to acclimate to the system, and I'm figuring we draft another RB, too. Maclin needs to work his way into a full-time starting job, hardly an easy feat. We need Cornelius Ingram to contribute, Celek has emerged as a wonder in the receiving department, but we need Ingram (or someone else) to be a solid 2-way threat. Our offensive line is undergoing some shuffling, whether that means getting Stacy Andrews to contribute or working in a high rookie pick at OG/C or both. On defense, we are going to have lots of new faces...some experienced on other teams, others not so. But you're looking at integrating a lot of inexperience (in our system) players into an aggressive, complex defensive scheme.All that could mean 6 or 7 wins this year, but set up well for another big-time run after that.

 

[renesauz]

You can go nuts trying to extrapolate a record from the schedule, but I would think we'll have a hard time hitting 0.500 this year. Yet obviously that's part of rebuilding with such a young team. So a 6-10 or 7-9 record while we get real experience for our youngsters and set ourselves up for another long run at the top of the NFC East in 2011 and beyond is perfectly fine with me.

What youngsters need experience?The entire offense is coming back. Kolb isn't a rookie.

Defensively, they may have 1 or 2 rookies. While this may be a young team, they certainly aren't going to be inexperienced.

Kolb isn't a rookie, but he's an inexperienced starter. Even if he plays as well as the fantasy prognosticators expect, that doesn't mean the NFL results will be stellar from a win-loss perspective. We also have a RB situation that's inexperienced. McCoy is hardly a full formed player, Mike Bell needs to acclimate to the system, and I'm figuring we draft another RB, too. Maclin needs to work his way into a full-time starting job, hardly an easy feat. We need Cornelius Ingram to contribute, Celek has emerged as a wonder in the receiving department, but we need Ingram (or someone else) to be a solid 2-way threat. Our offensive line is undergoing some shuffling, whether that means getting Stacy Andrews to contribute or working in a high rookie pick at OG/C or both. On defense, we are going to have lots of new faces...some experienced on other teams, others not so. But you're looking at integrating a lot of inexperience (in our system) players into an aggressive, complex defensive scheme.All that could mean 6 or 7 wins this year, but set up well for another big-time run after that.

I still think y'all are selling this team far too short, but I understand why, and agree that they aren't likely to seriously contend this year. I'm seeing 10 or so wins, a likely WC (and first round exit), followed by a serious run in '11.O...FTR...I don't like the thought of snagging a QB at 37, but I do think the "holes" are over-stated a bit. I'd be fine with QB at our third or fourth picks. Seems like at least 1 of the three DH mentions should be there.

 

[delusional]

This city would #### the proverbial brick if they took a QB in the 1st two days.

Unless they really don't envision Kolb being around too much longer, which imho would cause many bricks to be shat, I can not see them taking a QB this early considering the glaring holes that have.

=======================================================

Which of these would you consider the bottom 3 in terms of need?

These are all the positions off the top of my head where I feel that could/have to upgrade.

CB #2

FS

DE #2

DT #2

WLB

SAM

OG

C

OG #3

OT #3

MLB #2

WR #4/5

TE #2/3 (ingram is a injury concern )

QB #1/2

QB doesn't rank up there at all. So i can't see them taking a QB in the 1st two days.

You also have to figure the fallout if they took a QB that early. There was so much drama this offseason with McNabb & Kolb on who was going to get traded, whose the future, etc etc. Now if they go and take a QB this early. Duck.

edit: redid the placement of some comments to make it easier to read

 

[bighandsray]

Please, please, please let some situation occur where we don't draft Tebow/McCoy/Pike/Skelton/LeFevour at 37.

I am with you Woody. It is so frustrating year after year watching the Eagles ignore needs on defense wether it is in the draft or free agency. This year draft has great depth for defense. They need to build this defense this year so it can sync up with the offense that will peak in a few years. To spend such a high pick on a back up qb would be a mistake in my opinion.

I'm not denying they need defensive help in this draft, but they have added Sims, Hall, Tapp and Jackson via FA/trades this offseason...

While I like the additions of Tapp and especially Sims, Jackson and Hall do nothing for me. I still feel they need to draft an impact safety and linebacker. In the past the Eagles have placed so little value on these positions that it has created large holes in the defense. I hope they can trade up and get E Thomas. With pick 37 I would hope Weatherspoon lb or K Jackson cb could be gotten.

 

[Jason Wood]

You can go nuts trying to extrapolate a record from the schedule, but I would think we'll have a hard time hitting 0.500 this year. Yet obviously that's part of rebuilding with such a young team. So a 6-10 or 7-9 record while we get real experience for our youngsters and set ourselves up for another long run at the top of the NFC East in 2011 and beyond is perfectly fine with me.

What youngsters need experience?The entire offense is coming back. Kolb isn't a rookie.

Defensively, they may have 1 or 2 rookies. While this may be a young team, they certainly aren't going to be inexperienced.

Kolb isn't a rookie, but he's an inexperienced starter. Even if he plays as well as the fantasy prognosticators expect, that doesn't mean the NFL results will be stellar from a win-loss perspective. We also have a RB situation that's inexperienced. McCoy is hardly a full formed player, Mike Bell needs to acclimate to the system, and I'm figuring we draft another RB, too. Maclin needs to work his way into a full-time starting job, hardly an easy feat. We need Cornelius Ingram to contribute, Celek has emerged as a wonder in the receiving department, but we need Ingram (or someone else) to be a solid 2-way threat. Our offensive line is undergoing some shuffling, whether that means getting Stacy Andrews to contribute or working in a high rookie pick at OG/C or both. On defense, we are going to have lots of new faces...some experienced on other teams, others not so. But you're looking at integrating a lot of inexperience (in our system) players into an aggressive, complex defensive scheme.All that could mean 6 or 7 wins this year, but set up well for another big-time run after that.

I still think y'all are selling this team far too short, but I understand why, and agree that they aren't likely to seriously contend this year. I'm seeing 10 or so wins, a likely WC (and first round exit), followed by a serious run in '11.O...FTR...I don't like the thought of snagging a QB at 37, but I do think the "holes" are over-stated a bit. I'd be fine with QB at our third or fourth picks. Seems like at least 1 of the three DH mentions should be there.

Just to be clear, I'm not ruling out a better season. I just think the baseline this year is 7 or 8 wins and no playoff berth. Not too many things need to happen within an NFL season for an 8-win baseline to turn into 6 or 10 wins.

 

[JAA]

Pretty much the same info I gave you before. The guys haven't changed at all. Also, I would pretty much mark down in ink that a QB will be taken with the Redskin's pick they got. That QB will be one of three that they're looking at. The 3rd QB surprised me a bit.

Got to be Tebow, Pike and the 3rd must be McCoy/smaller school guy. They wouldn't dare take Skelton or LeFevour there would they??

With their first, they still think they're going to go with the secondary, unless some mad value is to be had on the OL.

Thankfully, it appears there will not be. Is a trade up for Berry being discussed, if you know? Do you know how they feel about Taylor Mays?

Tebow is not a WCO QB

 

[delusional]

Please, please, please let some situation occur where we don't draft Tebow/McCoy/Pike/Skelton/LeFevour at 37.

I am with you Woody. It is so frustrating year after year watching the Eagles ignore needs on defense wether it is in the draft or free agency. This year draft has great depth for defense. They need to build this defense this year so it can sync up with the offense that will peak in a few years. To spend such a high pick on a back up qb would be a mistake in my opinion.

I'm not denying they need defensive help in this draft, but they have added Sims, Hall, Tapp and Jackson via FA/trades this offseason...

While I like the additions of Tapp and especially Sims, Jackson and Hall do nothing for me. I still feel they need to draft an impact safety and linebacker. In the past the Eagles have placed so little value on these positions that it has created large holes in the defense. I hope they can trade up and get E Thomas. With pick 37 I would hope Weatherspoon lb or K Jackson cb could be gotten.

I aggre. I don't mind Tapp as he will be in the rotation. I see Jackson ending up like Jones from last season. Can't say much for Hall at all. Sims, i stated a few times, i see him as just competition. It isn't a fix at all & I hope the Eagles don't try to sell it as a fix at WLB. There are just alot of ways they can go in their first 2 picks. Its good but bad at the same time. Good because the 1st two picks should provide quality players. Bad because we have that many open positions where different combinations can be put together.I think Mays stock dropped alot. Few comparions to Roy Williams. I could see them taking him though and trying to convert him to LB.They worked out Skeleton I believe. That wouldn't be bad as a #2/3 QB

 

[babydemon90]

McCoy I could see at #37... Would be good insurance if Kolb sucks, and I'd wager if Kolb does look good, in a year or two they could trade McCoy and get back what they paid. While the Eagles have other holes - I can understand having another out. Better to use that pick on a good prospect then risk having nothing at the QB position.

Although, if Kolb sucks that bad, wouldn't they be able to use their presumably high 1st next year on a QB? shrug.

 

[delusional]

McCoy I could see at #37... Would be good insurance if Kolb sucks, and I'd wager if Kolb does look good, in a year or two they could trade McCoy and get back what they paid. While the Eagles have other holes - I can understand having another out. Better to use that pick on a good prospect then risk having nothing at the QB position.Although, if Kolb sucks that bad, wouldn't they be able to use their presumably high 1st next year on a QB? shrug.

If Kolb bombs, they will be looking for more then a QB...new coach.

 

[CaptainHook]

the way teams seem to give up a ton for backup QBs with very small track records it actually makes a lot of sense to take one. good insurance policy and good potential longterm value that you dont get from any other position.

just another example of the eagles doing stuff that seems crazy but if you break it down its genius.

 

[JetMaxx]

the way teams seem to give up a ton for backup QBs with very small track records it actually makes a lot of sense to take one. good insurance policy and good potential longterm value that you dont get from any other position. just another example of the eagles doing stuff that seems crazy but if you break it down its genius.

While part of me agrees with you, how many championships has that "genius" produced? Thinking outside the box keeps them at a certain level but never allows them to reach the pinnacle. It gets to a point when you start to question whether that "genius" is not something else a little less brilliant.

 

[renesauz]

This city would #### the proverbial brick if they took a QB in the 1st two days.Unless they really don't envision Kolb being around too much longer, which imho would cause many bricks to be shat, I can not see them taking a QB this early considering the glaring holes that have.CB #2FSDE #2DT #2WLBSAMOGCOG #3OT #3MLB #2WR #4/5TE #2/3 (ingram is a injury concern )QB #1/2Which of these would you consider the bottom 3 in terms of need? These are all the positions off the top of my head where I feel that could/have to upgrade. QB doesn't rank up there at all. So i can't see them taking a QB in the 1st two days.You also have to figure the fallout if they took a QB that early. There was so much drama this offseason with McNabb & Kolb on who was going to get traded, whose the future, etc etc. Now if they go and take a QB this early. Duck.

Dude...since when is a WR4/5 a "glaring hole"? Most of this list is hogwash. DT2 and DE2 may be open for upgrades, but they are NOT "glaring holes" by any reasonable stretch of the imagination...and certainly not more then QB2!The only "glaring concerns" on this team are at Safety and OLB. CB is close. Another pass-rushing DE and quality O-line backup would be nice, but are hardly "glaring". The rest of your list is negative BS. Find another team to root for that deserves it.Didn't you prmoise to find another team if we traded McNabb? GO FIND THEM!

 

[zadok]

Pretty much the same info I gave you before. The guys haven't changed at all. Also, I would pretty much mark down in ink that a QB will be taken with the Redskin's pick they got. That QB will be one of three that they're looking at. The 3rd QB surprised me a bit.

Got to be Tebow, Pike and the 3rd must be McCoy/smaller school guy. They wouldn't dare take Skelton or LeFevour there would they??

With their first, they still think they're going to go with the secondary, unless some mad value is to be had on the OL.

Thankfully, it appears there will not be. Is a trade up for Berry being discussed, if you know? Do you know how they feel about Taylor Mays?

Tebow is not a WCO QB

And Pike only started for 1 year and McCoy is short and noodle-armed. What's your point? You draft for what players will become.

 

[delusional]

This city would #### the proverbial brick if they took a QB in the 1st two days.

Unless they really don't envision Kolb being around too much longer, which imho would cause many bricks to be shat, I can not see them taking a QB this early considering the glaring holes that have.

CB #2

FS

DE #2

DT #2

WLB

SAM

OG

C

OG #3

OT #3

MLB #2

WR #4/5

TE #2/3 (ingram is a injury concern )

QB #1/2

Which of these would you consider the bottom 3 in terms of need?

These are all the positions off the top of my head where I feel that could/have to upgrade.

QB doesn't rank up there at all. So i can't see them taking a QB in the 1st two days.

You also have to figure the fallout if they took a QB that early. There was so much drama this offseason with McNabb & Kolb on who was going to get traded, whose the future, etc etc. Now if they go and take a QB this early. Duck.

Dude...since when is a WR4/5 a "glaring hole"? Most of this list is hogwash. DT2 and DE2 may be open for upgrades, but they are NOT "glaring holes" by any reasonable stretch of the imagination...and certainly not more then QB2!The only "glaring concerns" on this team are at Safety and OLB. CB is close. Another pass-rushing DE and quality O-line backup would be nice, but are hardly "glaring". The rest of your list is negative BS. Find another team to root for that deserves it.

Didn't you prmoise to find another team if we traded McNabb? GO FIND THEM!

/sigh You didnt read. I said these are a list of positions where they could / have to upgrade. ( see, i put it in bold for you in the edit )

I didn't say they were ALL glaring holes. I did that to try to justify taking a QB in the 1st two days. QB is near the bottom of the list. I should have put a ======== between the 2nd sentence and the start of the list to seperate it since you failed to read past the list.

CB is a big need. Are you actually sold on Hobbs as the #2 CB. I could see them taking Jackson with the skins pick and that would be nice.

 

[zadok]

Please, please, please let some situation occur where we don't draft Tebow/McCoy/Pike/Skelton/LeFevour at 37.

I am with you Woody. It is so frustrating year after year watching the Eagles ignore needs on defense wether it is in the draft or free agency. This year draft has great depth for defense. They need to build this defense this year so it can sync up with the offense that will peak in a few years. To spend such a high pick on a back up qb would be a mistake in my opinion.

I'm not denying they need defensive help in this draft, but they have added Sims, Hall, Tapp and Jackson via FA/trades this offseason...

While I like the additions of Tapp and especially Sims, Jackson and Hall do nothing for me. I still feel they need to draft an impact safety and linebacker. In the past the Eagles have placed so little value on these positions that it has created large holes in the defense. I hope they can trade up and get E Thomas. With pick 37 I would hope Weatherspoon lb or K Jackson cb could be gotten.

You said they "ignore needs on defense in FA". They don't/didn't.And there is no way in hell Kareem Jackson is there at 37, and maybe a 1% chance that Weatherspoon is.

 

[zadok]

I love DH's contributions...But I am willing to bet anyone there is NO CHANCE the Eagles take a QB at 37. Why take a rookie QB early and start a QB controversy for Kolb? Makes no sense whatsoever. You dont bring a rookie QB in to challenge the brand new starting QB. The Eagles may take a late round one... but not in the 2nd. If they did that it would be McNabb for a backup QB. .stupid on 1000 levels.

If they take a QB at 37, he would NOT challenge Kolb, there would be no controversy. And sorry to tell you, but a declining 34 year old McNabb for a potential stud 23 year old QB is a good trade.

 

[delusional]

Please, please, please let some situation occur where we don't draft Tebow/McCoy/Pike/Skelton/LeFevour at 37.

I am with you Woody. It is so frustrating year after year watching the Eagles ignore needs on defense wether it is in the draft or free agency. This year draft has great depth for defense. They need to build this defense this year so it can sync up with the offense that will peak in a few years. To spend such a high pick on a back up qb would be a mistake in my opinion.

I'm not denying they need defensive help in this draft, but they have added Sims, Hall, Tapp and Jackson via FA/trades this offseason...

While I like the additions of Tapp and especially Sims, Jackson and Hall do nothing for me. I still feel they need to draft an impact safety and linebacker. In the past the Eagles have placed so little value on these positions that it has created large holes in the defense. I hope they can trade up and get E Thomas. With pick 37 I would hope Weatherspoon lb or K Jackson cb could be gotten.

You said they "ignore needs on defense in FA". They don't/didn't.And there is no way in hell Kareem Jackson is there at 37, and maybe a 1% chance that Weatherspoon is.

Seen a few mocks the past month that actually had Jackson slipping to the birds with the 37th. Anything is possible

 

[delusional]

I love DH's contributions...But I am willing to bet anyone there is NO CHANCE the Eagles take a QB at 37. Why take a rookie QB early and start a QB controversy for Kolb? Makes no sense whatsoever. You dont bring a rookie QB in to challenge the brand new starting QB. The Eagles may take a late round one... but not in the 2nd. If they did that it would be McNabb for a backup QB. .stupid on 1000 levels.

If they take a QB at 37, he would NOT challenge Kolb, there would be no controversy. And sorry to tell you, but a declining 34 year old McNabb for a potential stud 23 year old QB is a good trade.

Not when they been selling Kolb as the future QB & a reason for moving McNabb in the first place. I can't see QB being taken unless its pick 87 and lower and that is even pushing it ( 87 = our own 3rd round pick )

 

[zadok]

BTW, I am not advocating for any particular position at 37. You can't pass on star-caliber if its staring you in the face though. If I'm the Eagles and I get a DB in the first round and Tebow and/or Pike is there at 37, I'm taking him. It would be tougher if a Brandon Spikes or a Daryl Washington were there too, but it would have to be heavily considered.

 

[delusional]

BTW, I am not advocating for any particular position at 37. You can't pass on star-caliber if its staring you in the face though. If I'm the Eagles and I get a DB in the first round and Tebow and/or Pike is there at 37, I'm taking him. It would be tougher if a Brandon Spikes or a Daryl Washington were there too, but it would have to be heavily considered.

I think that would be a huge mistake. Sure BPA works but you also have to look at positions of need. Tebow too? Eek lol. This would cause a #### storm internally with the players I think. We all seen the reports of the "young guns" coming out in favor of Kolb & being excited about it and everything. You just traded away your franchise QB who is still a "pro bowl" caliber player to turn the reins over to their 2nd round pick from a few seasons ago. The whole team apparently was ready for this along with half the city. Then you go and draft a "star-caliber" QB before Kolb even hits the field? As I said, bricks would be shat at epic velocity

 

[Nagle2998]

Please, please, please let some situation occur where we don't draft Tebow/McCoy/Pike/Skelton/LeFevour at 37.

Everyone has their own order in how they like players but I would love McCoy don't want either one of the other players.

 

[Jason Wood]

Please, please, please let some situation occur where we don't draft Tebow/McCoy/Pike/Skelton/LeFevour at 37.

Everyone has their own order in how they like players but I would love McCoy don't want either one of the other players.

I just don't want to see a high 2nd rounder used on a QB in the year when we're committing to our last high 2nd round QB in place of a guy we knew was very good, but maybe not great. If Andy is such a great evaluator of QB talent, and based on what we've been told about this QB class, there are a lot of developmental guys worth considering in the mid- to late rounds. Let's consider one of them, and use the 37th -- which we got for trading our franchise QB -- on someone we think can help us win in 2010.

 

[CaptainHook]

the way teams seem to give up a ton for backup QBs with very small track records it actually makes a lot of sense to take one. good insurance policy and good potential longterm value that you dont get from any other position. just another example of the eagles doing stuff that seems crazy but if you break it down its genius.

While part of me agrees with you, how many championships has that "genius" produced? Thinking outside the box keeps them at a certain level but never allows them to reach the pinnacle. It gets to a point when you start to question whether that "genius" is not something else a little less brilliant.

the greatest team ive ever seen with the greatest playoff quarterback ive ever seen (too young to have really watched montana) couldnt even take home the championship in 2007. they lost to a mediocre #6 seed which eeked out 4 incredibly lucky road wins on their way to the title. I can't put much stock into the idea that winning championships is anything more than getting to the playoffs and then getting lucky.

 

[bighandsray]

Please, please, please let some situation occur where we don't draft Tebow/McCoy/Pike/Skelton/LeFevour at 37.

I am with you Woody. It is so frustrating year after year watching the Eagles ignore needs on defense wether it is in the draft or free agency. This year draft has great depth for defense. They need to build this defense this year so it can sync up with the offense that will peak in a few years. To spend such a high pick on a back up qb would be a mistake in my opinion.

I'm not denying they need defensive help in this draft, but they have added Sims, Hall, Tapp and Jackson via FA/trades this offseason...

While I like the additions of Tapp and especially Sims, Jackson and Hall do nothing for me. I still feel they need to draft an impact safety and linebacker. In the past the Eagles have placed so little value on these positions that it has created large holes in the defense. I hope they can trade up and get E Thomas. With pick 37 I would hope Weatherspoon lb or K Jackson cb could be gotten.

You said they "ignore needs on defense in FA". They don't/didn't.And there is no way in hell Kareem Jackson is there at 37, and maybe a 1% chance that Weatherspoon is.

"ignore" is a poor word choice. I should have explained better, that it is my feeling, that the Eagles marginal/under value certain positions and over value others. For years they under valued LB, WR and FB. I have always felt they over value CB and OT &OG. So much invested in the Andrews sisters, Peters, and Asante. I am not trying to bash all of their personnel moves. They have been right more than wrong over the years. But hell I want some impact players on defense, not a back up QB.

 

[loose circuits]

CB is a big need. Are you actually sold on Hobbs as the #2 CB. I could see them taking Jackson with the skins pick and that would be nice.

Hobbs is only 26 and last I checked, the last season Asante and him were starting together, their team went undefeated in the regular season. He can't be that bad...Throw in Marlin (if they draft a FS) and Joselio who both have starting caliber skills and I'm not sure how you see this as a weakness.I keep hearing from the crybabies in here, that this defense will hold the team back this season, but I don't understand it all. They were a top 10 defense without the glue that keeps it altogether in Bradley.I know a few people share my sentiments, but I'm excited about this team. They will be in the mix regardless of all the changes which are for the better IMO. Loads of depth already and 11 picks to add even more.

 

[Please See Mine]

I love DH's contributions...

But I am willing to bet anyone there is NO CHANCE the Eagles take a QB at 37. Why take a rookie QB early and start a QB controversy for Kolb? Makes no sense whatsoever.

You dont bring a rookie QB in to challenge the brand new starting QB.

The Eagles may take a late round one... but not in the 2nd. If they did that it would be McNabb for a backup QB. .stupid on 1000 levels.

If they take a QB at 37, he would NOT challenge Kolb, there would be no controversy. And sorry to tell you, but a declining 34 year old McNabb for a potential stud 23 year old QB is a good trade.

Interesting point. Maybe they've decided that Kolb is really not the answer but wanted to get rid of McNabb anyway to clear the path for the future?

 

[CaptainHook]

CB is a big need. Are you actually sold on Hobbs as the #2 CB. I could see them taking Jackson with the skins pick and that would be nice.

Hobbs is only 26 and last I checked, the last season Asante and him were starting together, their team went undefeated in the regular season. He can't be that bad...Throw in Marlin (if they draft a FS) and Joselio who both have starting caliber skills and I'm not sure how you see this as a weakness.I keep hearing from the crybabies in here, that this defense will hold the team back this season, but I don't understand it all. They were a top 10 defense without the glue that keeps it altogether in Bradley.I know a few people share my sentiments, but I'm excited about this team. They will be in the mix regardless of all the changes which are for the better IMO. Loads of depth already and 11 picks to add even more.

this is how i feel too. the only real concern i have is if the offense/team gets off to a slow start which is very possible they are looking at an extremely tough schedule.

 

[zadok]

"ignore" is a poor word choice. I should have explained better, that it is my feeling, that the Eagles marginal/under value certain positions and over value others. For years they under valued LB, WR and FB. I have always felt they over value CB and OT &OG. So much invested in the Andrews sisters, Peters, and Asante. I am not trying to bash all of their personnel moves. They have been right more than wrong over the years. But hell I want some impact players on defense, not a back up QB.

I totally agree with you about the over/undervaluing of certain positions. What I'm saying is: if you only think 5 QBs this year are worth a damn, and you need one, and 3 of them are gone by #37, what would you do? Waste a later pick on a guy who isn't any good? Conversely, you think there are 20 DBs and 15 LBs that are good...I too want impact players on defense, you just have to take a broader look at things.

 

[zadok]

CB is a big need. Are you actually sold on Hobbs as the #2 CB. I could see them taking Jackson with the skins pick and that would be nice.

Hobbs is only 26 and last I checked, the last season Asante and him were starting together, their team went undefeated in the regular season. He can't be that bad...Throw in Marlin (if they draft a FS) and Joselio who both have starting caliber skills and I'm not sure how you see this as a weakness.

I want to agree with you completely, but Hanson is a 4th CB at best. And the team doesn't seem to be sold on Hobbs as a starter.

 

[loose circuits]

You can go nuts trying to extrapolate a record from the schedule, but I would think we'll have a hard time hitting 0.500 this year. Yet obviously that's part of rebuilding with such a young team. So a 6-10 or 7-9 record while we get real experience for our youngsters and set ourselves up for another long run at the top of the NFC East in 2011 and beyond is perfectly fine with me.

What youngsters need experience?The entire offense is coming back. Kolb isn't a rookie.Defensively, they may have 1 or 2 rookies. While this may be a young team, they certainly aren't going to be inexperienced.

Kolb isn't a rookie, but he's an inexperienced starter. Even if he plays as well as the fantasy prognosticators expect, that doesn't mean the NFL results will be stellar from a win-loss perspective. We also have a RB situation that's inexperienced. McCoy is hardly a full formed player, Mike Bell needs to acclimate to the system, and I'm figuring we draft another RB, too. Maclin needs to work his way into a full-time starting job, hardly an easy feat. We need Cornelius Ingram to contribute, Celek has emerged as a wonder in the receiving department, but we need Ingram (or someone else) to be a solid 2-way threat. Our offensive line is undergoing some shuffling, whether that means getting Stacy Andrews to contribute or working in a high rookie pick at OG/C or both. On defense, we are going to have lots of new faces...some experienced on other teams, others not so. But you're looking at integrating a lot of inexperience (in our system) players into an aggressive, complex defensive scheme.All that could mean 6 or 7 wins this year, but set up well for another big-time run after that.

do they have room to draft another RB? they gonna cut Eldra Buckley despite him becoming one of the leaders on the ST coverage units? Not to mention Martell Mallett who showed skills in the CFL is already competing for that 3rd RB role.

 

[bighandsray]

"ignore" is a poor word choice. I should have explained better, that it is my feeling, that the Eagles marginal/under value certain positions and over value others. For years they under valued LB, WR and FB. I have always felt they over value CB and OT &OG. So much invested in the Andrews sisters, Peters, and Asante. I am not trying to bash all of their personnel moves. They have been right more than wrong over the years. But hell I want some impact players on defense, not a back up QB.

I totally agree with you about the over/undervaluing of certain positions. What I'm saying is: if you only think 5 QBs this year are worth a damn, and you need one, and 3 of them are gone by #37, what would you do? Waste a later pick on a guy who isn't any good? Conversely, you think there are 20 DBs and 15 LBs that are good...I too want impact players on defense, you just have to take a broader look at things.

I don't think drafting a qb high (rds 1-3) this year is a necessity. I like Kolb and I hope he will be the starter for 8+ years. So to me picking a qb early is not wise when other positions should be higher priority.

 

[zadok]

"ignore" is a poor word choice. I should have explained better, that it is my feeling, that the Eagles marginal/under value certain positions and over value others. For years they under valued LB, WR and FB. I have always felt they over value CB and OT &OG. So much invested in the Andrews sisters, Peters, and Asante. I am not trying to bash all of their personnel moves. They have been right more than wrong over the years. But hell I want some impact players on defense, not a back up QB.

I totally agree with you about the over/undervaluing of certain positions. What I'm saying is: if you only think 5 QBs this year are worth a damn, and you need one, and 3 of them are gone by #37, what would you do? Waste a later pick on a guy who isn't any good? Conversely, you think there are 20 DBs and 15 LBs that are good...I too want impact players on defense, you just have to take a broader look at things.

I don't think drafting a qb high (rds 1-3) this year is a necessity. I like Kolb and I hope he will be the starter for 8+ years. So to me picking a qb early is not wise when other positions should be higher priority.

Is drafting a QB this year a necessity?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest here.

To me, looking at QB tells me two things:

1. They may well have a possible trade partner for Vick

2. They may not totally believe in Kolb and are hedging their bets. Heck, they haven't even re-signed Kolb yet, who's to say he'll even be back? Yeah, they'll tag him, but I'm willing to bet someone will gladly give up that 1st and a poison pill contract that Philly can't match.

Listen, I have no other motives here than to pass along info. The draft is constantly a mystery. One man's junk is another man's gold. Do I like Tebow (uh, for example)? Yeah, I do, I think he can be pretty good. Would I choose him at 37? Nope. I think they should take the best available CB/OL/S they can possibly get in the first, than take the best available from that group again in the 2nd. THAN, I would look at LB or DE with their second 2nd rounder. In the 3rd gamble on a QB if one is there. Just remember, you pretty much have to draft a QB to get a good one. The only ones that hit FA have question marks or are washed up. Their just too valuable an item in the NFL.

 

[Jason Wood]

Didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest here. To me, looking at QB tells me two things:1. They may well have a possible trade partner for Vick2. They may not totally believe in Kolb and are hedging their bets. Heck, they haven't even re-signed Kolb yet, who's to say he'll even be back? Yeah, they'll tag him, but I'm willing to bet someone will gladly give up that 1st and a poison pill contract that Philly can't match.Listen, I have no other motives here than to pass along info. The draft is constantly a mystery. One man's junk is another man's gold. Do I like Tebow (uh, for example)? Yeah, I do, I think he can be pretty good. Would I choose him at 37? Nope. I think they should take the best available CB/OL/S they can possibly get in the first, than take the best available from that group again in the 2nd. THAN, I would look at LB or DE with their second 2nd rounder. In the 3rd gamble on a QB if one is there. Just remember, you pretty much have to draft a QB to get a good one. The only ones that hit FA have question marks or are washed up. Their just too valuable an item in the NFL.

DH, I hope no one is making you feel like they're upset with you, because that's not what should be happening. I know I speak for most in saying I genuinely appreciate your willingness to share what you hear because, let's be honest, the Shark Pool isn't exactly a hidden oasis that can't be stumbled upon. I think the rejections you're hearing are more at the reaction to what you're saying; in that we take what you're saying to be true and would just be baffled/disappointed if that's what happens.Luckily, as you and I know, it's pretty hard to script an NFL draft. The Eagles weren't planning on netting a 1st from Carolina that year by trading back, but they did. I'm just hoping that someone we really covet slips enough for us to move up for him OR enough value falls to 37 that we see another position we just can't pass up b/c we never assumed he would still be on the board. Because I would be SHOCKED if one of those 3 (if not all three) QBs mentioned weren't on the board with our 2nd 2nd round pick.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest here.

To me, looking at QB tells me two things:

1. They may well have a possible trade partner for Vick

2. They may not totally believe in Kolb and are hedging their bets. Heck, they haven't even re-signed Kolb yet, who's to say he'll even be back? Yeah, they'll tag him, but I'm willing to bet someone will gladly give up that 1st and a poison pill contract that Philly can't match.

Listen, I have no other motives here than to pass along info. The draft is constantly a mystery. One man's junk is another man's gold. Do I like Tebow (uh, for example)? Yeah, I do, I think he can be pretty good. Would I choose him at 37? Nope. I think they should take the best available CB/OL/S they can possibly get in the first, than take the best available from that group again in the 2nd. THAN, I would look at LB or DE with their second 2nd rounder. In the 3rd gamble on a QB if one is there. Just remember, you pretty much have to draft a QB to get a good one. The only ones that hit FA have question marks or are washed up. Their just too valuable an item in the NFL.

DH, I hope no one is making you feel like they're upset with you, because that's not what should be happening. I know I speak for most in saying I genuinely appreciate your willingness to share what you hear because, let's be honest, the Shark Pool isn't exactly a hidden oasis that can't be stumbled upon. I think the rejections you're hearing are more at the reaction to what you're saying; in that we take what you're saying to be true and would just be baffled/disappointed if that's what happens.Luckily, as you and I know, it's pretty hard to script an NFL draft. The Eagles weren't planning on netting a 1st from Carolina that year by trading back, but they did. I'm just hoping that someone we really covet slips enough for us to move up for him OR enough value falls to 37 that we see another position we just can't pass up b/c we never assumed he would still be on the board. Because I would be SHOCKED if one of those 3 (if not all three) QBs mentioned weren't on the board with our 2nd 2nd round pick.

I hope so too Jason. Like I said before, I really think they go CB in the first from looking at the draft grades and mocks AND combining that with the player's names that I've been told. This is a good move IMO. I was just as surprised as all of you when I heard QB at 37 (surprised, not shocked as some others appear to be). That being said, with 2.4 they may find some guys that they have listed with 1st round grades still there. Heck, several were there last year. That being said, I would be surprised if they left the second round without a QB unless all three guys free fall and they think they could trade up and nab them in the 3rd.

 

[zadok]

Because I would be SHOCKED if one of those 3 (if not all three) QBs mentioned weren't on the board with our 2nd 2nd round pick.

Tebow and Pike are gone by 54. No doubt in my mind. If they are down to one candidate, would they be comfortable waiting 18 picks? Would you?I think Skelton would be a huge reach at 37, btw. Would not be happy with that one.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

As always, thanks for sharing the info you get DH. It's highly appreciated.

As for the question asked earlier about drafting a RB, this crop of RBs isn't as deep as some other positions - and they're all banged up in some way. Plus, as in the last few years, value will be available to those who wait and select one on Day 3. (I'm still upset they didn't take Jennings last year in Round 7 - not that I can remember their 7th from last year, but I doubt it was anything close to Jennings, who would be a value right now without Westbrook).

Nothing would surprise me at this point. Trade up? Trade down? Use all 10 picks? More? Less? There's room on the roster for 10 rookies, I can believe that. Heck, they have only 4 WRs on the roster right now and you can't tell me that RB4 is decided.

I'll take a look at the roster, but I think there's easily 10 spots to find and replace.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Because I would be SHOCKED if one of those 3 (if not all three) QBs mentioned weren't on the board with our 2nd 2nd round pick.

Tebow and Pike are gone by 54. No doubt in my mind. If they are down to one candidate, would they be comfortable waiting 18 picks? Would you?I think Skelton would be a huge reach at 37, btw. Would not be happy with that one.

They can take their 105 pick and package it with the 55 and move up to around the 45th pick if they covet a QB.

 

[CaptainHook]

if they werent sold on kolb they would have traded him when they were supposedly offered the 2 1st rounders. I really think it's just a depth move considering they have a lot of guys they don't want to cut but a free spot at QB that they might as well fill with someone with a potentially great future payoff.

 

[CaptainHook]

even charlie whitehurst, a guy who did literally nothing was drafted in the 3rd and then traded for a 3rd + 60-->40 in the second round. backup QBs appear to be an incredible investment these days.

 

[loose circuits]

CB is a big need. Are you actually sold on Hobbs as the #2 CB. I could see them taking Jackson with the skins pick and that would be nice.

Hobbs is only 26 and last I checked, the last season Asante and him were starting together, their team went undefeated in the regular season. He can't be that bad...Throw in Marlin (if they draft a FS) and Joselio who both have starting caliber skills and I'm not sure how you see this as a weakness.I keep hearing from the crybabies in here, that this defense will hold the team back this season, but I don't understand it all. They were a top 10 defense without the glue that keeps it altogether in Bradley.I know a few people share my sentiments, but I'm excited about this team. They will be in the mix regardless of all the changes which are for the better IMO. Loads of depth already and 11 picks to add even more.

this is how i feel too. the only real concern i have is if the offense/team gets off to a slow start which is very possible they are looking at an extremely tough schedule.

I love their schedule. The home games are the tough ones so it works out IMO. Lions, Jags, 49ers, Titans & Bears are all winnable non-division road games. Lions & Jags week 2 & 3, hoping they get rolling and don't look back.