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I'm so excited. And I just can't hide it.

I'm so excited. And I just can't hide it.

I'm so excited. And I just can't hide it.

I'm so excited. And I just can't hide it.

No way they will trade out the 37th. Too much value there & who knows what is going to happen next year.Either way if they end up with a combination ofSo here is my predictionEither way you know the Eagles are going to leave some people with the WTF face after the draft is over.I agree, i's almost a garauntee they will make head scratcher move somewhere during the draft.
1.24 Pouncey
2.37 Trade out for 2011 1st round pick
2.55 BPA O Tackle
my prediction for 2.37 stems from the idea that Reid/Roseman can't get over the fact that they could not get a #1 for McNabb. Now they can.
I would love if they move up to take Berry or Thomas and solify S for awhile, plus it would probably mean they would have to trade the 37th pick in that deal, so they won't be able to take a QB there, which I'm praying they don't do.I don.'t know enough about the DE's in the draft, but see S as much more of a need than DE that if they can get a stud there, they have enough picks to make it happen.I'm also hoping that after all of the top QB's are off the board, Vick can be dealt for a mid round pick to add one more pick. Either way, I see the QB depth chart this year as Kolb, Garcia/Bulger, rookie. The rookie gets groomed for a year and becomes the backup next year. I just don't want that QB to be pick #37.Last week we passed along a report from Peter King of SI.com that the Philadelphia Eagles could be looking to move up as high as the 12th overall pick to draft a safety. But a new report says the Eagles could be moving up even higher than that.Derrin Horton of NFL Network, who's stationed at the Eagles' headquarters this week, reported that there have been discussions of the Eagles moving up as high as the fifth overall pick, which is owned by the Kansas City Chiefs, or 10th overall, with the Jacksonville Jaguars.Horton confirmed King's report that the Eagles covet safeties Eric Berry of Tennessee and Earl Thomas of Texas, But he also said that if the Eagles move way up, they'd do so to go after a defensive end, either Georgia Tech's Derrick Morgan or South Florida's Jason Pierre-Paul.On draft day, there are a lot more reports of trades than there are actual trades, so it's entirely possible that the Eagles will stay put. But there's plenty of buzz that they want to move up.From PFT.
My completely uninformed opinion of the Eagles is that Thomas and JPP both seem like Eagles picks.I would love if they move up to take Berry or Thomas and solify S for awhile, plus it would probably mean they would have to trade the 37th pick in that deal, so they won't be able to take a QB there, which I'm praying they don't do.I don.'t know enough about the DE's in the draft, but see S as much more of a need than DE that if they can get a stud there, they have enough picks to make it happen.I'm also hoping that after all of the top QB's are off the board, Vick can be dealt for a mid round pick to add one more pick. Either way, I see the QB depth chart this year as Kolb, Garcia/Bulger, rookie. The rookie gets groomed for a year and becomes the backup next year. I just don't want that QB to be pick #37.Last week we passed along a report from Peter King of SI.com that the Philadelphia Eagles could be looking to move up as high as the 12th overall pick to draft a safety. But a new report says the Eagles could be moving up even higher than that.Derrin Horton of NFL Network, who's stationed at the Eagles' headquarters this week, reported that there have been discussions of the Eagles moving up as high as the fifth overall pick, which is owned by the Kansas City Chiefs, or 10th overall, with the Jacksonville Jaguars.Horton confirmed King's report that the Eagles covet safeties Eric Berry of Tennessee and Earl Thomas of Texas, But he also said that if the Eagles move way up, they'd do so to go after a defensive end, either Georgia Tech's Derrick Morgan or South Florida's Jason Pierre-Paul.On draft day, there are a lot more reports of trades than there are actual trades, so it's entirely possible that the Eagles will stay put. But there's plenty of buzz that they want to move up.From PFT.
Objectively I don't know how they would come to that conclusion. But if they worried that were the case, given their treasure trove of picks, I would think it wouldn't be that hard to move UP from 55 to get him in the 2nd, not having to reach at 37.zadok said:Jason, what if you're the FO and somehow you knew for a fact that none of the 3 would be there at 55?

a. What is your threshhold of "reach" then? Which pick in round 2? It would be at 37 but not at ___?b. Are you saying that Tebow, Pike and McCoy would be reaches at 37?Objectively I don't know how they would come to that conclusion. But if they worried that were the case, given their treasure trove of picks, I would think it wouldn't be that hard to move UP from 55 to get him in the 2nd, not having to reach at 37.zadok said:Jason, what if you're the FO and somehow you knew for a fact that none of the 3 would be there at 55?![]()
Sign a veteran backup, maybe Jason Campbell or Marc Bulger... yes my name is Jasonzadok said:Jason, what if you're the FO and somehow you knew for a fact that none of the 3 would be there at 55?
I'm sure you know Campbell is not a FA...Let's say they miss on all their guys and sign Bulger as a last resort...to be #3 this year...and what do you do in 2011 when Vick leaves? That is my whole point.Sign a veteran backup, maybe Jason Campbell or Marc Bulger... yes my name is Jasonzadok said:Jason, what if you're the FO and somehow you knew for a fact that none of the 3 would be there at 55?
If Campbell doesnt find a trade, he will be released. When your told to stay away from camp and workouts, you wont play another down for the teamI'm sure you know Campbell is not a FA...Let's say they miss on all their guys and sign Bulger as a last resort...to be #3 this year...and what do you do in 2011 when Vick leaves? That is my whole point.Sign a veteran backup, maybe Jason Campbell or Marc Bulger... yes my name is Jasonzadok said:Jason, what if you're the FO and somehow you knew for a fact that none of the 3 would be there at 55?
Nobody has said that. I've only said:1. Tebow, Pike and McCoy are worthy of #37 - and they are.2. that you need a guy who will be your #2 in less than 12 months. If the Eagles think they can get that guy in round 5, great!For those thinking we need a backup QB by 37:
If you didnt say it, then I wasnt talking about you. At least 1 person in this thread has written it.Nobody has said that. I've only said:1. Tebow, Pike and McCoy are worthy of #37 - and they are.2. that you need a guy who will be your #2 in less than 12 months. If the Eagles think they can get that guy in round 5, great!For those thinking we need a backup QB by 37:
We do need a guy who can be our #2 in less than 12 months. Bulger, Campbell, Garcia, I dont care ... but I want a veteran.Nobody has said that. I've only said:1. Tebow, Pike and McCoy are worthy of #37 - and they are.2. that you need a guy who will be your #2 in less than 12 months. If the Eagles think they can get that guy in round 5, great!For those thinking we need a backup QB by 37:
So you're going to sign one of those guys to a multi-year deal to be #3 this year?? None of them would even accept that.We do need a guy who can be our #2 in less than 12 months. Bulger, Campbell, Garcia, I dont care ... but I want a veteran.Nobody has said that. I've only said:1. Tebow, Pike and McCoy are worthy of #37 - and they are.2. that you need a guy who will be your #2 in less than 12 months. If the Eagles think they can get that guy in round 5, great!For those thinking we need a backup QB by 37:
NOBODY in here said we needed a QB by 37. What a few of us have said is that we shouldn't wait until the late rounds (4+) to draft a QB.55 seems a good spot to me given what's available in this draft. Our earlier third would be ideal if someone the Eagles like will still be around.For those thinking we need a backup QB by 37:
Feeley was taken in the fifth round (155th overall) of the 2001 NFL Draft by the Philadelphia Eagles.
Koy Detmer NFL Draft: 1997 / Round: 7 / Pick: 198. Debuted in 1998 for the Philadelphia Eagles
Those types of vets are stop-gap solutions with ZERO upside. Every year, a few like that are available but they offer nothing in terms of long-term stability for your franchise. I prefer what seems to be the Eagles philosophy....use a 2 or 3 on your backup, sign the vet if you have no choice.We do need a guy who can be our #2 in less than 12 months. Bulger, Campbell, Garcia, I dont care ... but I want a veteran.Nobody has said that. I've only said:1. Tebow, Pike and McCoy are worthy of #37 - and they are.2. that you need a guy who will be your #2 in less than 12 months. If the Eagles think they can get that guy in round 5, great!For those thinking we need a backup QB by 37:
ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports Eagles talking trade with Dolphins for move up to No. 12. Iggles would then select Texas S Earl Thomas.
i hope this is true. dare i say someone to fill B Dawkins shoes?ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports Eagles talking trade with Dolphins for move up to No. 12. Iggles would then select Texas S Earl Thomas.
I guess they're not fans of Taylor Mays?ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports Eagles talking trade with Dolphins for move up to No. 12. Iggles would then select Texas S Earl Thomas.
Fixed thatI guess they're not fans of Taylor Mays Roy Williams Jr?ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reports Eagles talking trade with Dolphins for move up to No. 12. Iggles would then select Texas S Earl Thomas.
Now your grasping at straws.s/needed/reasonable/NOBODY in here said we needed a QB by 37. What a few of us have said is that we shouldn't wait until the late rounds (4+) to draft a QB.55 seems a good spot to me given what's available in this draft. Our earlier third would be ideal if someone the Eagles like will still be around.For those thinking we need a backup QB by 37:
Feeley was taken in the fifth round (155th overall) of the 2001 NFL Draft by the Philadelphia Eagles.
Koy Detmer NFL Draft: 1997 / Round: 7 / Pick: 198. Debuted in 1998 for the Philadelphia Eagles
(ETA) FURTHER...Feely developed into a good backup, but not a good starter. Detmer did not. We don't need someone to maybe develop into a backup, we need someone who, at the very least, should develop into a backup in a year or two. That's the differance between a late2/early3 QB, and a 5th round QB.
Feeley and Detmer were "developemental gamble"'s.Can we just move on? Im not going to go back and look at any more of your posts to remind you what you yourself saidrenesauz said:I think the Eagles have to pick a QB, because at best Vick has one more year with the team. Since the pick would be expected to be at least a capable backup in a year, I think it's reasonable to assume that that QB pick has to be a fairly high one on a reasonably good bet, not a late round developemental gamble. I disagree with those advocating a third day pick just as much as I would the Eagles if they spent the second we got from Washington on the position.
That said, there are several QB's who seem to fit the bill, at least one of which will last to our third pick (our own second rounder), and potentially until the early third round. Late second/early third seems appropriate for a QB. Early second...doesn't. (At least, not in this draft.)
Hook...2 or 3 late round picks get cut from every roster. Those picks are not always expected to make the team, but to push the already-rostered players to get better.
a) Depends on the QB and what we did with our prior picks. McCoy in the mid 2nd? I can understand that. b) McCoy and Tebow appear to be projected there, but I don't personally think either are worth it. Pike? ABSOLUTELY not, THAT would be a reach of epic proportions.a. What is your threshhold of "reach" then? Which pick in round 2? It would be at 37 but not at ___?b. Are you saying that Tebow, Pike and McCoy would be reaches at 37?Objectively I don't know how they would come to that conclusion. But if they worried that were the case, given their treasure trove of picks, I would think it wouldn't be that hard to move UP from 55 to get him in the 2nd, not having to reach at 37.zadok said:Jason, what if you're the FO and somehow you knew for a fact that none of the 3 would be there at 55?![]()
Do you want a backup or someone with upside?I want a Vet as #2 like Detmer and a #3 with upside like Feeley.You want upside? Look at Feeley: "He was traded to the Miami Dolphins in March 2004 in exchange for Miami's 2004 second round pick (used by Philadelphia to select wide receiver Reggie Brown". That pick was #35 in the draftNow thats upsideThose types of vets are stop-gap solutions with ZERO upside. Every year, a few like that are available but they offer nothing in terms of long-term stability for your franchise. I prefer what seems to be the Eagles philosophy....use a 2 or 3 on your backup, sign the vet if you have no choice.We do need a guy who can be our #2 in less than 12 months. Bulger, Campbell, Garcia, I dont care ... but I want a veteran.Nobody has said that. I've only said:1. Tebow, Pike and McCoy are worthy of #37 - and they are.2. that you need a guy who will be your #2 in less than 12 months. If the Eagles think they can get that guy in round 5, great!For those thinking we need a backup QB by 37:
I'm not Jason, but I'd consider packaging picks to move the 55 up once only one was left.zadok said:Jason, what if you're the FO and somehow you knew for a fact that none of the 3 would be there at 55?
Objectively I don't know how they would come to that conclusion. But if they worried that were the case, given their treasure trove of picks, I would think it wouldn't be that hard to move UP from 55 to get him in the 2nd, not having to reach at 37.zadok said:Jason, what if you're the FO and somehow you knew for a fact that none of the 3 would be there at 55?![]()

I just talked to my boy and he is saying DB in the first. I guess we will see.... Anything can happen before they pick to change that.Deranged Hermit said:Wood pretty much nailed it on the head.Jason Wood said:I think McCourty is one of the more logical picks for us if we stay put, because I assume Wilson and Haden will be off the board. But I could see the Eagles getting a little aggressive if Haden or Wilson fall into the mid teens, and then Philly deciding to move up to secure them versus risk just missing out. All I know is that TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT to put the speculation behind and start reacting to what actually transpires.Polish Hammer said:DH - Gosselin's mock has this to say for the Eagles...I was wondering what your thoughts are:"24. PHILADELPHIA EAGLESDevin McCourty, Cornerback, RutgersOther needs: OL, DL, CB, TENot only is McCourty an elite cover cornerback, he may be the best special teams player in this draft. He blocked seven kicks and returned a kickoff for a touchdown in his career. He replaces Sheldon Brown."![]()
He did also say that they may move up FWIWMikey Miss is reporting that Eagles are talking to the Dolphins about trading up to their pick, which is 11, FWIW. If thats the case maybe they are targeting Pierre-Paul, Joe Haden or Earl Thomas all of which should be available. Berry will almost definitely gone by pick 11.
It's 12. But please come and get it.Mikey Miss is reporting that Eagles are talking to the Dolphins about trading up to their pick, which is 11, FWIW. If thats the case maybe they are targeting Pierre-Paul, Joe Haden or Earl Thomas all of which should be available. Berry will almost definitely gone by pick 11.
Disagree. If they don't trade him this weekend, they won't cut him when he can be a backup and they can get a compensatory selection for him when he leaves after this season.And if they were going to cut him, I think they would wait until final cuts after the last preseason game.If Campbell doesnt find a trade, he will be released. When your told to stay away from camp and workouts, you wont play another down for the teamI'm sure you know Campbell is not a FA...Let's say they miss on all their guys and sign Bulger as a last resort...to be #3 this year...and what do you do in 2011 when Vick leaves? That is my whole point.Sign a veteran backup, maybe Jason Campbell or Marc Bulger... yes my name is Jasonzadok said:Jason, what if you're the FO and somehow you knew for a fact that none of the 3 would be there at 55?
Then why tell him to stay away? You only do that when you don't want the player around anymore.Disagree. If they don't trade him this weekend, they won't cut him when he can be a backup and they can get a compensatory selection for him when he leaves after this season.And if they were going to cut him, I think they would wait until final cuts after the last preseason game.If Campbell doesnt find a trade, he will be released. When your told to stay away from camp and workouts, you wont play another down for the teamI'm sure you know Campbell is not a FA...Let's say they miss on all their guys and sign Bulger as a last resort...to be #3 this year...and what do you do in 2011 when Vick leaves? That is my whole point.Sign a veteran backup, maybe Jason Campbell or Marc Bulger... yes my name is Jasonzadok said:Jason, what if you're the FO and somehow you knew for a fact that none of the 3 would be there at 55?
Because the team and JC are on the same page. Both sides want a trade to happen and have actively pursued such.ETA: Even if JC was a FA, I don't see him as a good fit with the Eagles and would be surprised if they pursued him for a backup role, and even more surprised if JC agreed to sign with them since he wants to start.Then why tell him to stay away? You only do that when you don't want the player around anymore.
I don't think JPP is an Eagles pick at all. Guy started half a season of major college ball and has character issues. Huge bust risk here.massraider said:My completely uninformed opinion of the Eagles is that Thomas and JPP both seem like Eagles picks.
Now your grasping at straws.s/needed/reasonable/NOBODY in here said we needed a QB by 37. What a few of us have said is that we shouldn't wait until the late rounds (4+) to draft a QB.55 seems a good spot to me given what's available in this draft. Our earlier third would be ideal if someone the Eagles like will still be around.For those thinking we need a backup QB by 37:
Feeley was taken in the fifth round (155th overall) of the 2001 NFL Draft by the Philadelphia Eagles.
Koy Detmer NFL Draft: 1997 / Round: 7 / Pick: 198. Debuted in 1998 for the Philadelphia Eagles
(ETA) FURTHER...Feely developed into a good backup, but not a good starter. Detmer did not. We don't need someone to maybe develop into a backup, we need someone who, at the very least, should develop into a backup in a year or two. That's the differance between a late2/early3 QB, and a 5th round QB.
Happy now?
Feeley and Detmer were "developemental gamble"'s.Can we just move on? Im not going to go back and look at any more of your posts to remind you what you yourself saidrenesauz said:I think the Eagles have to pick a QB, because at best Vick has one more year with the team. Since the pick would be expected to be at least a capable backup in a year, I think it's reasonable to assume that that QB pick has to be a fairly high one on a reasonably good bet, not a late round developemental gamble. I disagree with those advocating a third day pick just as much as I would the Eagles if they spent the second we got from Washington on the position.
That said, there are several QB's who seem to fit the bill, at least one of which will last to our third pick (our own second rounder), and potentially until the early third round. Late second/early third seems appropriate for a QB. Early second...doesn't. (At least, not in this draft.)
Hook...2 or 3 late round picks get cut from every roster. Those picks are not always expected to make the team, but to push the already-rostered players to get better.
I was arguing against those who want to wait until the 5th+ rounds. I include early third with the "fairly early" picks. I also agreed that, at least in this draft, 37 was TOO early. Not sure how we're really THAT far apart here. My real argument is that I generally feel QB picks after the fourth or so are a waste...hardly any ever become more then a backup...and many (most)of those who are forced into action fail miserably. QB is too important to take late round (5/6/7)chances on.I know that its not a very popular view, but I wouldn't mind us getting a QB tomorrow. I know that there are more immediate needs, but if we get the right day 2 QB he will only appreciate in value while filling a need as a backup. Vick is clearly not the long term answer. Keeping my fingers crossed that somehow he'll be traded over the course of the next 3 days and we'll bring in a veteran QB as well, and also that we won't trade up so far today that we don't have any picks left on Friday. Let the draft begin!Now your grasping at straws.s/needed/reasonable/NOBODY in here said we needed a QB by 37. What a few of us have said is that we shouldn't wait until the late rounds (4+) to draft a QB.55 seems a good spot to me given what's available in this draft. Our earlier third would be ideal if someone the Eagles like will still be around.For those thinking we need a backup QB by 37:
Feeley was taken in the fifth round (155th overall) of the 2001 NFL Draft by the Philadelphia Eagles.
Koy Detmer NFL Draft: 1997 / Round: 7 / Pick: 198. Debuted in 1998 for the Philadelphia Eagles
(ETA) FURTHER...Feely developed into a good backup, but not a good starter. Detmer did not. We don't need someone to maybe develop into a backup, we need someone who, at the very least, should develop into a backup in a year or two. That's the differance between a late2/early3 QB, and a 5th round QB.
Happy now?
Feeley and Detmer were "developemental gamble"'s.Can we just move on? Im not going to go back and look at any more of your posts to remind you what you yourself saidrenesauz said:I think the Eagles have to pick a QB, because at best Vick has one more year with the team. Since the pick would be expected to be at least a capable backup in a year, I think it's reasonable to assume that that QB pick has to be a fairly high one on a reasonably good bet, not a late round developemental gamble. I disagree with those advocating a third day pick just as much as I would the Eagles if they spent the second we got from Washington on the position.
That said, there are several QB's who seem to fit the bill, at least one of which will last to our third pick (our own second rounder), and potentially until the early third round. Late second/early third seems appropriate for a QB. Early second...doesn't. (At least, not in this draft.)
Hook...2 or 3 late round picks get cut from every roster. Those picks are not always expected to make the team, but to push the already-rostered players to get better.I was arguing against those who want to wait until the 5th+ rounds. I include early third with the "fairly early" picks. I also agreed that, at least in this draft, 37 was TOO early. Not sure how we're really THAT far apart here. My real argument is that I generally feel QB picks after the fourth or so are a waste...hardly any ever become more then a backup...and many (most)of those who are forced into action fail miserably. QB is too important to take late round (5/6/7)chances on.
Rich Gosselin had Graham going 10th... you have no idea if he would have been there end of the round.plus, 100% chance we trade down from 37 and pick up a 3rd rounder.Please tell me that the last 30 minutes did not go like this.....Philly trades up for 13 at a good price (24, 2 thirds), have Earl Thomas available, and take a DE who likely would have been there at 24?Did that REALLY just happen????
Eagles Move Up - DE Brandon GrahamPosted by Tommy Lawlor at 9:05 PM 0 comments***The Eagles gave up 24, 70, and 87 to move up to pick 12 and take Michigan DE Brandon Graham. This is a good move. We needed to boost the pass rush. Graham was one of the best rushers in the draft class. We were able to move up and get him without having to sacrifice our 2nd round picks. That gives us a chance to be active on Friday. We don't have a 3rd rounder now, but could easily move down and pick one up. We can play the board. Tapp is our LDE. Cole is the man on the right side. Graham becomes a key backup. He also can move inside to DT in some passing situations. Here is the report I wrote up for ScoutsNotebook:Relentless and disruptive defender. Led the nation in TFLs in 2009 with 26. Finished his career with an amazing total of 56. Athletic edge rusher who is more fast than quick. Michigan moved him around to keep teams from gameplanning too much. Graham played both DE spots. Slides inside to DT at times. Fights off cut blocks. Uses his hands well. Beat Bulaga for a sack in the Iowa game. Used good dip move. Beat Bulaga to the inside for another sack. Got the RT off balance, threw him to the ground, and hit the QB. Uses his hands well. Fights to hold the point on run plays. Quick, but not explosive. Mixes in some bull rushes. There were questions about his height. Measured in at 6013. That means he's almost 6'1 1/2. That's acceptable for a 4-3 DE. There will be plenty of 3-4 teams who value him as a LB. His size and build will be perfect for some schemes. He can play in space if needed. Made a real impressive play against Terrell Pryor in the OSU game. Pryor was on the run. Graham showed great agility and COD skills to handle the fakes and still make a solid tackle in space. Graham is an athletic defende and a top flight pass rusher. His ability showed up in workouts as well. Ran a 4.71 at the Combine. Had a solid showing at the Combine. Only came up short in the VJ (31.5). Great career production. 29.5 sacks and 8 FFs. Had a monster performance at the Senior Bowl, both practices and in the game. Looked like a dominant player.1st round prospect. Could go real high if teams are okay with his size and build. Good start to the 2010 draft.