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drummer
Footballguy
I think you would have made more sense if you said "the 49ers are trying to install more plays". Would have been a less "crappy" response.'5Rings said:Harbaugh's not "hiding" anything, he's trying to develop an offense and using these late games as the "camp" that Smith and the offense missed. Lose the craggy old man deal and you'll find that I agree with you.The times when the passing offense clicks is when the opposing defense respects the honest part of the offense: Gore. Even then, Smith is only effective when he hits a few key plays while dink and dunking dumpoffs and short routes. Most games when they opened up the passing game early the offense sputtered with the defense keeping the score close facing QB's like McCoy. Now that Gore is dinged up and Hunter still not an every down back, it's all predicated on Smith having confidence, and that is still so shaky at times that it has looked to regress back in the Jimmy Raye era. Heck, the last 4th and 1 play on Sunday looked similar to the BOOOOOO game when he got spooked against the Eagles rush (after stepping right into the pressure0 and the rolled left to get blown up. Once Smith gets into tunnel vision mode staring down routes and gets the happy feet against the rush, he is done. What has Harbaugh fixed here? I am tired of these so called "coming out" games that happen once or twice a season with Smith. The defense and ST are giving the offense golden opportunities as far as FP. Give me a QB who can put those opportunities into TDs. Again, Smith has 4 games with donut holes as far as TD passes. If Harbaugh is hiding a Golden Offense for the playoffs, just how well can Smith handle that pressure while not executing down the stretch into them?This is a really good point. IMO...Jim knows that to win in the playoffs vs NO/GB/NY/DAL, Alex is going to have to come through and the passing game is going to have to be effective. I know drummer will like this, but Alex has been managed this year...(drummer won't like this) and he's performed well when he's limited. I think Harbaugh is using these late games to take the training wheels off and hopefully have an Alex Smith 22-30, 350, 3TD type coming out party. Sadly, it aint happening.They actually ran a screen to a back (Hunter) in the 1st half.Gained about 10-12 yrds IIRC.
I just about fell out of my chair.
Was giddy at the prospect that they were actually taking steps to neutralize the rush.
Didn't see another one though.
Just 5 and 7 step drops with their slowest receiver as the primary.
(Peterson had Crabree's number yesterday - there was one play in particular where Crab tried juking Peterson, but he didn't bite at all and was practically in his jersey for the whole route). Don't understand why they don't get Williams and Davis more involved.
Also, not sure why they abandoned the run again.
They were moderately successful there, but seemed to give up on it in the 4th quarter again.
All I can figure is Harbaugh is bound and determined to get the long ball working.
With the combo of O-Line, WRs, & QB that he has, he better get a grip on reality pretty fast here.
eta -> Despite all of the offensive woes, they still managed to spot the D 12 points. Giving up 3 big plays to the likes of Skelton?!?!? Brees or Rodgers will end up breaking yardage totals for a single game if they play that way in the playoffs.
He's also tried to get Braylon involved by force feeding him early and at the goal line. That aint working either.
I don't get why he's limited VD's targets unless Jim really wants to try and establish the WRs and get Ds to respect them heading into the playoffs.
At this point, I am in no position to second guess the job that Harbaugh has done...but the change lately in playcalling is interesting (to say the least).
drummer
Footballguy
Ummm, The Falcons were also in the same division, and the Seahawks were in the AFCW. The Cards were in the NFCE.
I'm not sure the Saints ever won a game against the Niners until after 2002.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
They're not just trying to install more plays though. Harbaugh is close to pulling a Singletary here, but instead of saying "we're going to run the ball down your throat, come hell or high water", and continuing to bang their head against the wall and settle for 2 yards and a cloud of dust, Harbaugh is saying "we're going to beat you with the long ball, come hell or high water", while Smith gets pummeled before he even reaches the end of his dropback, and Crabtree has time to do the double moves required for him to get open.I think you would have made more sense if you said "the 49ers are trying to install more plays". Would have been a less "crappy" response.'5Rings said:Harbaugh's not "hiding" anything, he's trying to develop an offense and using these late games as the "camp" that Smith and the offense missed. Lose the craggy old man deal and you'll find that I agree with you.The times when the passing offense clicks is when the opposing defense respects the honest part of the offense: Gore. Even then, Smith is only effective when he hits a few key plays while dink and dunking dumpoffs and short routes. Most games when they opened up the passing game early the offense sputtered with the defense keeping the score close facing QB's like McCoy. Now that Gore is dinged up and Hunter still not an every down back, it's all predicated on Smith having confidence, and that is still so shaky at times that it has looked to regress back in the Jimmy Raye era. Heck, the last 4th and 1 play on Sunday looked similar to the BOOOOOO game when he got spooked against the Eagles rush (after stepping right into the pressure0 and the rolled left to get blown up. Once Smith gets into tunnel vision mode staring down routes and gets the happy feet against the rush, he is done. What has Harbaugh fixed here? I am tired of these so called "coming out" games that happen once or twice a season with Smith. The defense and ST are giving the offense golden opportunities as far as FP. Give me a QB who can put those opportunities into TDs. Again, Smith has 4 games with donut holes as far as TD passes. If Harbaugh is hiding a Golden Offense for the playoffs, just how well can Smith handle that pressure while not executing down the stretch into them?This is a really good point. IMO...Jim knows that to win in the playoffs vs NO/GB/NY/DAL, Alex is going to have to come through and the passing game is going to have to be effective. I know drummer will like this, but Alex has been managed this year...(drummer won't like this) and he's performed well when he's limited. I think Harbaugh is using these late games to take the training wheels off and hopefully have an Alex Smith 22-30, 350, 3TD type coming out party. Sadly, it aint happening.They actually ran a screen to a back (Hunter) in the 1st half.Gained about 10-12 yrds IIRC.
I just about fell out of my chair.
Was giddy at the prospect that they were actually taking steps to neutralize the rush.
Didn't see another one though.
Just 5 and 7 step drops with their slowest receiver as the primary.
(Peterson had Crabree's number yesterday - there was one play in particular where Crab tried juking Peterson, but he didn't bite at all and was practically in his jersey for the whole route). Don't understand why they don't get Williams and Davis more involved.
Also, not sure why they abandoned the run again.
They were moderately successful there, but seemed to give up on it in the 4th quarter again.
All I can figure is Harbaugh is bound and determined to get the long ball working.
With the combo of O-Line, WRs, & QB that he has, he better get a grip on reality pretty fast here.
eta -> Despite all of the offensive woes, they still managed to spot the D 12 points. Giving up 3 big plays to the likes of Skelton?!?!? Brees or Rodgers will end up breaking yardage totals for a single game if they play that way in the playoffs.
He's also tried to get Braylon involved by force feeding him early and at the goal line. That aint working either.
I don't get why he's limited VD's targets unless Jim really wants to try and establish the WRs and get Ds to respect them heading into the playoffs.
At this point, I am in no position to second guess the job that Harbaugh has done...but the change lately in playcalling is interesting (to say the least).
drummer
Footballguy
????????Gore is hurt. That's it. The passing offense isn't as different as it was against PHI in the second half. The left side of the O-line has become suspect since BAL, and even before that when they didn't have Snyder sliding in there. Smith will get pummeled regardless of a 3 step drop or in the shotgun. He is slow in reads and stares them down. This isn't Singletary scrapping game plans here. Heck, when he went "fire drill" on the passing offense it worked more than any script Jimmy Raye forgot after one or two plays out of 15. Guess why? It had VD involved in all of them. Now VD has to be kept in to block. There is nothing esoteric about this offense. There is no experimentation here. It's trying to find plays that work, with a QB who is very limited, within a very basic scheme. Why? Because Gore is hurt. That's why.They're not just trying to install more plays though. Harbaugh is close to pulling a Singletary here, but instead of saying "we're going to run the ball down your throat, come hell or high water", and continuing to bang their head against the wall and settle for 2 yards and a cloud of dust, Harbaugh is saying "we're going to beat you with the long ball, come hell or high water", while Smith gets pummeled before he even reaches the end of his dropback, and Crabtree has time to do the double moves required for him to get open.I think you would have made more sense if you said "the 49ers are trying to install more plays". Would have been a less "crappy" response.Harbaugh's not "hiding" anything, he's trying to develop an offense and using these late games as the "camp" that Smith and the offense missed. Lose the craggy old man deal and you'll find that I agree with you.The times when the passing offense clicks is when the opposing defense respects the honest part of the offense: Gore. Even then, Smith is only effective when he hits a few key plays while dink and dunking dumpoffs and short routes. Most games when they opened up the passing game early the offense sputtered with the defense keeping the score close facing QB's like McCoy. Now that Gore is dinged up and Hunter still not an every down back, it's all predicated on Smith having confidence, and that is still so shaky at times that it has looked to regress back in the Jimmy Raye era. Heck, the last 4th and 1 play on Sunday looked similar to the BOOOOOO game when he got spooked against the Eagles rush (after stepping right into the pressure0 and the rolled left to get blown up. Once Smith gets into tunnel vision mode staring down routes and gets the happy feet against the rush, he is done. What has Harbaugh fixed here? I am tired of these so called "coming out" games that happen once or twice a season with Smith. The defense and ST are giving the offense golden opportunities as far as FP. Give me a QB who can put those opportunities into TDs. Again, Smith has 4 games with donut holes as far as TD passes. If Harbaugh is hiding a Golden Offense for the playoffs, just how well can Smith handle that pressure while not executing down the stretch into them?This is a really good point. IMO...Jim knows that to win in the playoffs vs NO/GB/NY/DAL, Alex is going to have to come through and the passing game is going to have to be effective. I know drummer will like this, but Alex has been managed this year...(drummer won't like this) and he's performed well when he's limited. I think Harbaugh is using these late games to take the training wheels off and hopefully have an Alex Smith 22-30, 350, 3TD type coming out party. Sadly, it aint happening.They actually ran a screen to a back (Hunter) in the 1st half.Gained about 10-12 yrds IIRC.
I just about fell out of my chair.
Was giddy at the prospect that they were actually taking steps to neutralize the rush.
Didn't see another one though.
Just 5 and 7 step drops with their slowest receiver as the primary.
(Peterson had Crabree's number yesterday - there was one play in particular where Crab tried juking Peterson, but he didn't bite at all and was practically in his jersey for the whole route). Don't understand why they don't get Williams and Davis more involved.
Also, not sure why they abandoned the run again.
They were moderately successful there, but seemed to give up on it in the 4th quarter again.
All I can figure is Harbaugh is bound and determined to get the long ball working.
With the combo of O-Line, WRs, & QB that he has, he better get a grip on reality pretty fast here.
eta -> Despite all of the offensive woes, they still managed to spot the D 12 points. Giving up 3 big plays to the likes of Skelton?!?!? Brees or Rodgers will end up breaking yardage totals for a single game if they play that way in the playoffs.
He's also tried to get Braylon involved by force feeding him early and at the goal line. That aint working either.
I don't get why he's limited VD's targets unless Jim really wants to try and establish the WRs and get Ds to respect them heading into the playoffs.
At this point, I am in no position to second guess the job that Harbaugh has done...but the change lately in playcalling is interesting (to say the least).
It doesn't matter what offense it is. It's always Gore's offense. Always will be with Alex Smith at QB too.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
The thing that changed from PHI to BAL was that BAL exposed their inability to figure out a zone blitzing scheme. ARI followed the same formula, and for whatever reason, Harbaugh has done nothing to try to counter it with his play calling (or at least hasn't done a very good job). Just one screen pass to a running back over both games. Very few quick hitting passes. Just long routes with Crab as the primary. Smith obviously has his limitation, but under these circumstances, maybe 5 QBs in the whole league could make it work. A QB who can buy time with his legs (e.g. Vick, Rodgers), one who can hang in the pocket while he's getting hit (e.g. Roethlisberger), or a QB who has the smarts to recognize the zone blitzes and audible out (e.g. P.Manning).I'm not saying Smith doesn't have his limitations, but the limitations of the O-line, the receivers, and recently, the play calling, have been just as large. All of them better figure out how to handle the zone blitz or they will get eaten up in the playoffs.????????Gore is hurt. That's it. The passing offense isn't as different as it was against PHI in the second half. The left side of the O-line has become suspect since BAL, and even before that when they didn't have Snyder sliding in there. Smith will get pummeled regardless of a 3 step drop or in the shotgun. He is slow in reads and stares them down. This isn't Singletary scrapping game plans here. Heck, when he went "fire drill" on the passing offense it worked more than any script Jimmy Raye forgot after one or two plays out of 15. Guess why? It had VD involved in all of them. Now VD has to be kept in to block. There is nothing esoteric about this offense. There is no experimentation here. It's trying to find plays that work, with a QB who is very limited, within a very basic scheme. Why? Because Gore is hurt. That's why.They're not just trying to install more plays though. Harbaugh is close to pulling a Singletary here, but instead of saying "we're going to run the ball down your throat, come hell or high water", and continuing to bang their head against the wall and settle for 2 yards and a cloud of dust, Harbaugh is saying "we're going to beat you with the long ball, come hell or high water", while Smith gets pummeled before he even reaches the end of his dropback, and Crabtree has time to do the double moves required for him to get open.I think you would have made more sense if you said "the 49ers are trying to install more plays". Would have been a less "crappy" response.Harbaugh's not "hiding" anything, he's trying to develop an offense and using these late games as the "camp" that Smith and the offense missed. Lose the craggy old man deal and you'll find that I agree with you.The times when the passing offense clicks is when the opposing defense respects the honest part of the offense: Gore. Even then, Smith is only effective when he hits a few key plays while dink and dunking dumpoffs and short routes. Most games when they opened up the passing game early the offense sputtered with the defense keeping the score close facing QB's like McCoy. Now that Gore is dinged up and Hunter still not an every down back, it's all predicated on Smith having confidence, and that is still so shaky at times that it has looked to regress back in the Jimmy Raye era. Heck, the last 4th and 1 play on Sunday looked similar to the BOOOOOO game when he got spooked against the Eagles rush (after stepping right into the pressure0 and the rolled left to get blown up. Once Smith gets into tunnel vision mode staring down routes and gets the happy feet against the rush, he is done. What has Harbaugh fixed here? I am tired of these so called "coming out" games that happen once or twice a season with Smith. The defense and ST are giving the offense golden opportunities as far as FP. Give me a QB who can put those opportunities into TDs. Again, Smith has 4 games with donut holes as far as TD passes. If Harbaugh is hiding a Golden Offense for the playoffs, just how well can Smith handle that pressure while not executing down the stretch into them?This is a really good point. IMO...Jim knows that to win in the playoffs vs NO/GB/NY/DAL, Alex is going to have to come through and the passing game is going to have to be effective. I know drummer will like this, but Alex has been managed this year...(drummer won't like this) and he's performed well when he's limited. I think Harbaugh is using these late games to take the training wheels off and hopefully have an Alex Smith 22-30, 350, 3TD type coming out party. Sadly, it aint happening.They actually ran a screen to a back (Hunter) in the 1st half.Gained about 10-12 yrds IIRC.
I just about fell out of my chair.
Was giddy at the prospect that they were actually taking steps to neutralize the rush.
Didn't see another one though.
Just 5 and 7 step drops with their slowest receiver as the primary.
(Peterson had Crabree's number yesterday - there was one play in particular where Crab tried juking Peterson, but he didn't bite at all and was practically in his jersey for the whole route). Don't understand why they don't get Williams and Davis more involved.
Also, not sure why they abandoned the run again.
They were moderately successful there, but seemed to give up on it in the 4th quarter again.
All I can figure is Harbaugh is bound and determined to get the long ball working.
With the combo of O-Line, WRs, & QB that he has, he better get a grip on reality pretty fast here.
eta -> Despite all of the offensive woes, they still managed to spot the D 12 points. Giving up 3 big plays to the likes of Skelton?!?!? Brees or Rodgers will end up breaking yardage totals for a single game if they play that way in the playoffs.
He's also tried to get Braylon involved by force feeding him early and at the goal line. That aint working either.
I don't get why he's limited VD's targets unless Jim really wants to try and establish the WRs and get Ds to respect them heading into the playoffs.
At this point, I am in no position to second guess the job that Harbaugh has done...but the change lately in playcalling is interesting (to say the least).
It doesn't matter what offense it is. It's always Gore's offense. Always will be with Alex Smith at QB too.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Fiddles
Footballguy
good read unc. makes a steelers fan salivate
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
They dominated the Steelers tonight.
5Rings
Lurker
i was there for the greatest comeback in 49er history, 38-35 vs NO back in 80. good times.dome patrol with all your cajun-named O players (hokie, hobie, hebert) were good teams though. great battles. i don't want to see you in the postseason.drummer--"developing" does not equal "installing". i can't dumb it down more than that for ya, so i'll just say cheers and let it go.
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drummer
Footballguy
Sure, they are "developing" while shuffling players and not having starters in. You can't dumb it down more than you have. Cheers bro.ETA: they executed a simple High School play today. Is that what they are developing? Cheers again bro.
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Black Box
Footballguy
They dominated the Steelers tonight.
Local radio here in Pittsburgh is on meltdown alert 
Unfortunately a little before my time. I just remember penciling in several wins a year against NO and ATL.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
Great showing.
Still too man gaffes - couple of drops by Gore, and way too many misses by Alex.
But most importantly, I thought the play calling was HUGELY improved.
Quick drops to neutralize the pass rush, at least one screen pass to Hunter (for a very nice gain),
more passes to Kyle Williams, and most importantly, a heavy dose of VD.
Still too man gaffes - couple of drops by Gore, and way too many misses by Alex.
But most importantly, I thought the play calling was HUGELY improved.
Quick drops to neutralize the pass rush, at least one screen pass to Hunter (for a very nice gain),
more passes to Kyle Williams, and most importantly, a heavy dose of VD.
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Black Box
Footballguy
The crazy thing is that he was a pretty good RZ QB in the past. I think.Agreed on the Seattle game. A hot divisional rival on the road on a short week is tough sledding for any team.
BaBastage
Footballguy
Exactly. Winning this game isn't a foregone conclusion. I never thought at the start of the year we'd be in a position to complain about the travel-schedule unfairness - anyone know how often a team has two away games on short weeks in the same season?/runs to the store to get some cheese for his whine
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Wingnut
Footballguy
We were lucky to face the Steelers when we did (without a few key players, and a really banged up Big Ben)
That said, I'll take the win and at least their red zone TD percentage was 50% last night, which is a big improvement, but those first 2 possessions...ugh.
Aldon Smith may have wrapped up DROY with that performance
That said, I'll take the win and at least their red zone TD percentage was 50% last night, which is a big improvement, but those first 2 possessions...ugh.
Aldon Smith may have wrapped up DROY with that performance
5Rings
Lurker
'Wingnut said:We were lucky to face the Steelers when we did (without a few key players, and a really banged up Big Ben)That said, I'll take the win and at least their red zone TD percentage was 50% last night, which is a big improvement, but those first 2 possessions...ugh.Aldon Smith may have wrapped up DROY with that performance
UH--loudest cheer of the night was when the screen to Hunter was called. 
Agreed with the above--Seattle at home is brutal. Tavaris has looked pretty good, Lynch is in beastmode, and Clemons off the edge w/the 12th man is going to require TE help on Staley's side.
Fensalk
Footballguy
How Aldon Smith celebrates a big play:
http://nbcoutofbounds.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/aldonsmith.gif
http://nbcoutofbounds.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/aldonsmith.gif
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Akers has kicked the most field goals in a regular season. He's at 42 (previous record 40) and we still have one more week to go.
SF wins again. Hoping Kyle Williams is okay. Is the Saints lose on Monday SF clinches a first round bye. What a wonderful season.
SF wins again. Hoping Kyle Williams is okay. Is the Saints lose on Monday SF clinches a first round bye. What a wonderful season.
goldenchild
Footballguy
That hit on Kyle Williams looked worse than it was... The way he collapsed, I didn't think he was going to walk off the field.If SF can't beat the rams to clinch a bye, they don't deserve it.
The 49ers should cut the bum right now. I hear McNabb is available, isn't that the guy you wanted during the off season?
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
And another game without an INT, which is a much more important component to the Niner's philosophy and formula this year.
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm sure part of that philosophy is being poor on 3rd down and in the RZ so Akers can score points. Who by the way is the leading scorer on the team.
drummer
Footballguy
#### YEAH bro, I've been pimping McNabb this whole thread.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
You know things are going well when this is all drummer has to complain about.'drummer said:
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm good with the RZ and 3rd down stats too bro. Makes me forget what offense was in SF. I think I listen to too much Steve Young on KNBR. I need to start reading more Grant Cohn. Ratto hates too much. How dare I question the 49er offense? Makes the whole Joe vs. Steve thing or TO vs. Garcia drama a thing of the past. Who cares about TD passes in SF anymore?You know things are going well when this is all drummer has to complain about.'drummer said:
No #### bro, it got old in the off season. If your a 49er fan try to enjoy the season instead of taking notes on what Smith did wrong every week. We get it, he's not the superstar that Montana or Young were. That said, Montana only went 13-3 or better three times. The season is a huge success, the QB position will be addressed, the future is bright, bro.'drummer said:
drummer
Footballguy
The passing offense is not good. I get Harbaugh's conservative ball control offense, and I always tout the ground game with Gore as well as the defense. Spare me the "Montana only went 13-3 only 3 times" stuff. That has nothing to do with the current passing offense being mediocre to poor. I see that as an issue for the playoffs because I think QB play is huge in the post season, yet at the same time the 49ers could surprise on offense. Given the poor RZ and 3rd down stats, they aren't trending well into the post season. They haven't had a 1st half TD pass since WAS. That was 7 games ago. I like the Shark Pool because fans of every team in the League post objective opinions about the teams they root for, and I find that both informative and entertaining even though I don't play Fantasy Football. I enjoy reading debates over QBs like Eli Manning and Tim Tebow. There are a lot of good posters and some homers too. I tend to stay away from the myopia of team fan boards and blogs.
Have you tried the Official 49ers message board? That seems like something you would enjoy. There is a certain Zone out on the Web too.
The problem is you are one of the least objective posters in the shark pool. You're a one track poster. Smith sucks, Crabtree's a bust, Yorks are idiots, management is clueless. It was fine for the past 5 years because the team was bad & you are entitled to your opinion, as negative as it may be. Now, the team is going to be 13-3 & you're still sounding like a broken record. Unfortunately for your spiel, the 49ers have proven that they can win with Smith at QB. Harbaugh has proven that he knows a little more about winning than you do & decided Smith was his best chance at it. Smith is a middle of the pack QB that avoids mistakes, I'm sure McNabb would have multiple 300 yard games to go with his 18 Ints & 7-9 record. 49ers are 13-3, I'll take it.
drummer
Footballguy
In case anybody is wondering, this is what you read on 49er fan sites. That's why I avoid them.Have fun at the Zone bro!
I'll stick around here bro. Where else can I find your patented Smith Sucks insight on a weekly basis. Looking forward for the update after the Rams game, don't let me down.
Have fun at the Zone bro!
drummer
Footballguy
I think you need to read the first few pages of this thread, and then call out Dr. Awesome and Wingnut first. The Former never wanted to see Smith in a 49er Uni again, the latter wanted McNabb. Toss in a little Kolb and Seneca Wallace too. There is your update bro! Have fun!I'll stick around here bro. Where else can I find your patented Smith Sucks insight on a weekly basis. Looking forward for the update after the Rams game, don't let me down.
Have fun at the Zone bro!
drummer
Footballguy
As improbable as that sounds, I would love to see a General like Manning take command of this offense. The 49ers have been a bit schizo trying to build the offense for years due the lack of anybody having a real clue of offense before Harbaugh. They have invested on the offensive line, TE, WRs, etc. Heck, Gore was a flat out steal. Yet I think they really need a "real" QB and #1 WR to get out of the offensive morass they had for years since the days of Garcia and TO. Fans used to bash Garcia for his happy feet and noodle arm, but he truly played in the shadows of Young and had Terrell Owens dividing that locker room. Bill Walsh found him. The 49ers without Walsh have been dumb finding QBs. So yeah, Peyton coming to SF would be incredible, and then find a stud WR to go with it. I'm sure Harbuagh would open up that playbook, or let Peyton call the plays. Luck kinda controls the offense like Peyton does at Stanford.
If the Colts get Luck and Peyton becomes available, the Niners need to do it. I've read that the Colts would have to exercise a $28 mil option on Manning by March or let him go as a free agent. That's the only thing that might finally let me get past the anger of the Niners taking Smith over Aaron Rodgers. As a USC fan/alum, I knew Rodgers would be the perfect fit for the Niners. I still seethe whenever I think about how the 49ers had the perfect quarterback for the West Coast Offense in their backyard and instead chose a QB from a gimmick college offense.
drummer
Footballguy
I know a guy who still is mad over the 49er picking Gio Carmazzi over Tom Brady. He was touting Brady way before that draft. There was another right in the 49er backyard.
I'm not a fan of paying a king's ransom to get a player at the tail end of his career who just missed an entire year with an injury to his spinal cord, even if he is Peyton Manning. Completely depends on what the Colts want.
Surprising given the lack of depth at WR. With Ginn, Williams, Morgan, and Walker on the shelf, they are just about out of pass catchers outside of Crabtree and VD.
morris4903
Footballguy
They must believe that Ginn and Williams will be back for the playoffs. They do have Swain who they brought in after Morgan's injury. I think they will be fine. Edwards wasn't helping the team and wasn't coming back next year. No problem with the move.
drummer
Footballguy
Just use more Joe Staley and Sopoaga
As I wrote, my understanding is the Colts would have to exercise a $28 million option in March that would be a big cap hit for them to even have the rights to trade him. Otherwise, Manning is a free agent.
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There will be takers for him on the trade market. If he does hit FA, he will command top dollar. expensive either way.
But the Colts will have to take a huge cap hit to be in position to trade him. If they aren't going to play him, they are probably better off not exercising the option.
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