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*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (1 Viewer)

'Snotbubbles said:
'Daywalker said:
Daniels sounds like a complete doosh. Texas got great value out of Hamilton and if they wanted him they should have been leading the negotiation. Everything coming out of the Texas camp since the end of the season has been like a preparation for his departure. Instead of wishing him well they act like he did them wrong. Weak. Perhaps the Angels said this is a one-time offer and that it won't be there if he leaves the room.Texas looks like idiots. Doubt you would have heard this if he hadn't gone to a division rival.
Yup. Have Hamilton be your first choice in FA, not your third.
Who said that?Seems to me this is another instance of GM/Ownership going along with what the player wants so they don't cause any unneeded tension between each other. Player doesn't follow thru on his end of the bargain, right or wrong, and owner goes into retaliation mode.Happens in the opposite manner too. We all know all of this.
 
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is there not still a luxury tax?
The Dodgers look like they're going to be around $50M over the threshold in 2013. That will cost them $11.25M which is about 5% of their total wage bill. If they remain $50M over the cap in 2014 & 2015, that amount will increase but their owners don't seem fazed by that.The luxury tax revenues don't get redistributed to the clubs under revenue sharing. Salary inflation will be a windfall for the other benefactors.
 
Series odds at bodog:Angels 15/2Dodgers 8/1Nationals 9/1Tigers 10/1Rangers/Jays/Reds/Yankees 12/1
I'm getting away from futures, as I think they're a bad use of bankroll, but Nats 9/1 seem like the best value there. They seem most likely of any team to win their div. They only have one team in there that has a chance of competing with them, and I think they're a couple steps ahead of them.
 
Series odds at bodog:Angels 15/2Dodgers 8/1Nationals 9/1Tigers 10/1Rangers/Jays/Reds/Yankees 12/1
I'm getting away from futures, as I think they're a bad use of bankroll, but Nats 9/1 seem like the best value there. They seem most likely of any team to win their div. They only have one team in there that has a chance of competing with them, and I think they're a couple steps ahead of them.
Ha. Come on. Because of last year? The only team dead in the NL East for 2013 is Miami...I mean DOA. The others can put it together. Okay maybe not the Mets but the Phillies are not dead and Atlanta is right there.
 
Rangers reportedly offering Olt and Buckel for Dickey.
that seems like too much, imo, but not unreasonable.
Or not...Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

Source: #Rangers no longer involved in Dickey talks. And did not offer Olt and Buckel to #Mets.

Rumors flying saying the Jays are real close. Possibly offering Arencibia and Gose. With D'Arnaud as a possibility. I hope the latter isn't true. :angry:

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

#BlueJays have the pieces to do this -- Gose and Arencibia or D'Arnaud -- although I do not have confirmation that is the offer.

 
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Series odds at bodog:Angels 15/2Dodgers 8/1Nationals 9/1Tigers 10/1Rangers/Jays/Reds/Yankees 12/1
I'm getting away from futures, as I think they're a bad use of bankroll, but Nats 9/1 seem like the best value there. They seem most likely of any team to win their div. They only have one team in there that has a chance of competing with them, and I think they're a couple steps ahead of them.
Ha. Come on. Because of last year? The only team dead in the NL East for 2013 is Miami...I mean DOA. The others can put it together. Okay maybe not the Mets but the Phillies are not dead and Atlanta is right there.
NYM is not sniffing the playoffs next year. Especially given that they're trading their best player from last year for prospects. Good move for the future, but they're years away.Miami is obviously DOA.Not sure what the Phils have done to lead anyone to think they're going to be decent. Michael Young is out to pasture.Atlanta should be fine. Upton for Bourn's probably close to a wash. They have some great pitching. But I think Wash is still several games ahead of them.
 
Series odds at bodog:Angels 15/2Dodgers 8/1Nationals 9/1Tigers 10/1Rangers/Jays/Reds/Yankees 12/1
I'm getting away from futures, as I think they're a bad use of bankroll, but Nats 9/1 seem like the best value there. They seem most likely of any team to win their div. They only have one team in there that has a chance of competing with them, and I think they're a couple steps ahead of them.
I'm a big fan of win totals, only because I'm pretty good at them. I think the Tigers are easily the biggest division favorites this year, but Leyland teams love slow-rolling the regular season so who knows.
 
Series odds at bodog:Angels 15/2Dodgers 8/1Nationals 9/1Tigers 10/1Rangers/Jays/Reds/Yankees 12/1
I'm getting away from futures, as I think they're a bad use of bankroll, but Nats 9/1 seem like the best value there. They seem most likely of any team to win their div. They only have one team in there that has a chance of competing with them, and I think they're a couple steps ahead of them.
Ha. Come on. Because of last year? The only team dead in the NL East for 2013 is Miami...I mean DOA. The others can put it together. Okay maybe not the Mets but the Phillies are not dead and Atlanta is right there.
NYM is not sniffing the playoffs next year. Especially given that they're trading their best player from last year for prospects. Good move for the future, but they're years away.Miami is obviously DOA.Not sure what the Phils have done to lead anyone to think they're going to be decent. Michael Young is out to pasture.Atlanta should be fine. Upton for Bourn's probably close to a wash. They have some great pitching. But I think Wash is still several games ahead of them.
After Bal and Oak last season, I'd be more careful declaring teams out of the playoff hunt before the season starts.
 
Dickey for D'Arnaud + others sounds like it's close. Really like this deal for both sides.
Not liking giving up D'Arnaud for the Blue Jays. True, they already have Buck/Arencibia, but elite catching prospects don't grow on trees.I guess you really can't judge Dickey like a usual 38 year old pitcher, though. Not sure Dickey will be around as long as Niekro, but no reason to think he can't pitch well into his 40s.
 
Dickey for D'Arnaud + others sounds like it's close. Really like this deal for both sides.
Not liking giving up D'Arnaud for the Blue Jays. True, they already have Buck/Arencibia, but elite catching prospects don't grow on trees.I guess you really can't judge Dickey like a usual 38 year old pitcher, though. Not sure Dickey will be around as long as Niekro, but no reason to think he can't pitch well into his 40s.
Theyre getting a cy young pitcher. They dont exactly grow on trees either. Jays a re legit title contendor if they get him.
 
Dickey for D'Arnaud + others sounds like it's close. Really like this deal for both sides.
Not liking giving up D'Arnaud for the Blue Jays. True, they already have Buck/Arencibia, but elite catching prospects don't grow on trees.I guess you really can't judge Dickey like a usual 38 year old pitcher, though. Not sure Dickey will be around as long as Niekro, but no reason to think he can't pitch well into his 40s.
Theyre getting a cy young pitcher. They dont exactly grow on trees either. Jays a re legit title contendor if they get him.
But his contract ends after this coming year, so unless they can get Dickey to agree to an extension beforehand, I think trading their best prospect for him is tremendously risky. Knowing how smooth Anthopoulos is, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a deal get done without D'Arnaud involved.
 
Dickey for D'Arnaud + others sounds like it's close. Really like this deal for both sides.
Not liking giving up D'Arnaud for the Blue Jays. True, they already have Buck/Arencibia, but elite catching prospects don't grow on trees.I guess you really can't judge Dickey like a usual 38 year old pitcher, though. Not sure Dickey will be around as long as Niekro, but no reason to think he can't pitch well into his 40s.
Theyre getting a cy young pitcher. They dont exactly grow on trees either. Jays a re legit title contendor if they get him.
But his contract ends after this coming year, so unless they can get Dickey to agree to an extension beforehand, I think trading their best prospect for him is tremendously risky. Knowing how smooth Anthopoulos is, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a deal get done without D'Arnaud involved.
My understanding is that a team would agree in advance to an extension before they traded for him.
 
Dickey for D'Arnaud + others sounds like it's close. Really like this deal for both sides.
Not liking giving up D'Arnaud for the Blue Jays. True, they already have Buck/Arencibia, but elite catching prospects don't grow on trees.I guess you really can't judge Dickey like a usual 38 year old pitcher, though. Not sure Dickey will be around as long as Niekro, but no reason to think he can't pitch well into his 40s.
Theyre getting a cy young pitcher. They dont exactly grow on trees either. Jays a re legit title contendor if they get him.
:lmao: Yea because R.A. Dickey has been Cy Young material for so long. :lmao:
 
Dickey for D'Arnaud + others sounds like it's close. Really like this deal for both sides.
Not liking giving up D'Arnaud for the Blue Jays. True, they already have Buck/Arencibia, but elite catching prospects don't grow on trees.I guess you really can't judge Dickey like a usual 38 year old pitcher, though. Not sure Dickey will be around as long as Niekro, but no reason to think he can't pitch well into his 40s.
Theyre getting a cy young pitcher. They dont exactly grow on trees either. Jays a re legit title contendor if they get him.
:lmao: Yea because R.A. Dickey has been Cy Young material for so long. :lmao:
He was very good in 2011 and 2010 in addition to winning a Cy Young in 2012. Fangraphs shows just how good he's been the past few years: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/r-a-dickey-and-the-myth-of-one-great-year/ he throws an unconventional pitch and is older is skewing your judgement.Maybe it took him a long while to master the knuckleball. Whatever the reason, the guy has been one of the better pitchers in baseball the past 3 years. And going off the history of knucklers, there's little reason to think Dickey can't continue to pitch well for the next several seasons. He'll be a big help to whichever team acquires him.

 
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Dickey for D'Arnaud + others sounds like it's close. Really like this deal for both sides.
Not liking giving up D'Arnaud for the Blue Jays. True, they already have Buck/Arencibia, but elite catching prospects don't grow on trees.I guess you really can't judge Dickey like a usual 38 year old pitcher, though. Not sure Dickey will be around as long as Niekro, but no reason to think he can't pitch well into his 40s.
Theyre getting a cy young pitcher. They dont exactly grow on trees either. Jays a re legit title contendor if they get him.
:lmao: Yea because R.A. Dickey has been Cy Young material for so long. :lmao:
He was very good in 2011 and 2010 in addition to winning a Cy Young in 2012. Fangraphs shows just how good he's been the past few years: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/r-a-dickey-and-the-myth-of-one-great-year/ he throws an unconventional pitch and is older is skewing your judgement.Maybe it took him a long while to master the knuckleball. Whatever the reason, the guy has been one of the better pitchers in baseball the past 3 years. And going off the history of knucklers, there's little reason to think Dickey can't continue to pitch well for the next several seasons. He'll be a big help to whichever team acquires him.
Who knew he's just as good as David Price? Something tells me Price will win another Cy Young before Dickey ever comes close to sniffing another.
 
Heyman:

according to @Joelsherman1 report, deal on table is dickey/thole/prospect for d'arnaud/syndergaard/buck/prospect.

10:50pm - 15 Dec 12

Is AA losing his mind?

 
'Billy Bats said:
Heyman:according to @Joelsherman1 report, deal on table is dickey/thole/prospect for d'arnaud/syndergaard/buck/prospect.10:50pm - 15 Dec 12Is AA losing his mind?
Really don't get this. Isn't Dickey 36,37?
 
'Billy Bats said:
Heyman:according to @Joelsherman1 report, deal on table is dickey/thole/prospect for d'arnaud/syndergaard/buck/prospect.10:50pm - 15 Dec 12Is AA losing his mind?
Really don't get this. Isn't Dickey 36,37?
Just looked...... He's 38?!?!?!Arguably the best C prospect in baseball getting moved for a 38yo pitcher?
 
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'Billy Bats said:
Heyman:according to @Joelsherman1 report, deal on table is dickey/thole/prospect for d'arnaud/syndergaard/buck/prospect.10:50pm - 15 Dec 12Is AA losing his mind?
Really don't get this. Isn't Dickey 36,37?
Just looked...... He's 38?!?!?!Arguably the best C prospect in baseball getting moved for a 38yo pitcher?
:lol: Glad I'm not the only one. But he's a Cy young winner, who apparently is as good as David Price. :shrug:
 
'Billy Bats said:
Heyman:according to @Joelsherman1 report, deal on table is dickey/thole/prospect for d'arnaud/syndergaard/buck/prospect.10:50pm - 15 Dec 12Is AA losing his mind?
Really don't get this. Isn't Dickey 36,37?
Just looked...... He's 38?!?!?!Arguably the best C prospect in baseball getting moved for a 38yo pitcher?
He's a 38 year old knuckleballer. He's entering his peak years.
 
'Billy Bats said:
Heyman:according to @Joelsherman1 report, deal on table is dickey/thole/prospect for d'arnaud/syndergaard/buck/prospect.10:50pm - 15 Dec 12Is AA losing his mind?
Really don't get this. Isn't Dickey 36,37?
Just looked...... He's 38?!?!?!Arguably the best C prospect in baseball getting moved for a 38yo pitcher?
:lol: Glad I'm not the only one. But he's a Cy young winner, who apparently is as good as David Price. :shrug:
With AA's history, I'm hoping there's more to the deal than is being reported. I don't mind giving up one of d'Arnaud or Syndergaard, as long as Dickey comes with an extension, giving up both seems really high.
 
'Billy Bats said:
Heyman:according to @Joelsherman1 report, deal on table is dickey/thole/prospect for d'arnaud/syndergaard/buck/prospect.10:50pm - 15 Dec 12Is AA losing his mind?
Really don't get this. Isn't Dickey 36,37?
Just looked...... He's 38?!?!?!Arguably the best C prospect in baseball getting moved for a 38yo pitcher?
:lol: Glad I'm not the only one. But he's a Cy young winner, who apparently is as good as David Price. :shrug:
With AA's history, I'm hoping there's more to the deal than is being reported. I don't mind giving up one of d'Arnaud or Syndergaard, as long as Dickey comes with an extension, giving up both seems really high.
The Red Sox are in the toilet. The Yankees are old and in a money crunch. Its time to make a play to be serious contenders now.
 
Much as I like Dickey for what he's asking for in terms of an extension, it's not like D'Arnaud's blocked by anyone. And Toronto's rotation, as presently constituted, is not THAT bad. Romero's a waste, but Happ is usable, and Hutchison and Drabek are coming back.

All very intriguing. Like someone else said, AA's a pretty smart guy.

 
Beltran and Dickey for Wheeler, D'Arnaud & Syndergaard.

Most Mets fans like the return and want it made official ASAP.

If Santana has a halfway decent 1st half he'll be traded next for prospects. Mets weren't going anywhere in 2013 with or without Dickey anyway.

 
It's a tough adjustment for Jays fans too because from the moment Anthopolous took over he has emphasized building up the farm system, and has done a terrific job at it, bringing the Jays from near the bottom in farm system talent to near the top. As a result, Jays fans have gotten used to watching all the prospect porn and have taken pride in having the best farm system in baseball, which is all well and good but the big league club won 74 games last season. Trading prospects in the Astros deal, the Marlins deal and now this deal has/will put a pretty big dent in the minor league talent (though there's still lots there), but it should give the team the opportunity to be playing meaningful baseball in September for the first time in a long while.

Another aspect, which may or may not be fueling this, is ticket sales are through the roof. Last year attendance jumped a few thousand per game on average and this year they're way ahead of last season's pace (already can't get tickets to the opener, even through flex packs). This city went over 4 million fans three consecutive years in the 90s, I believe still the only team to have done so and they could do it again if the team they build keeps the momentum they have going in terms of ticket sales.

Toronto is a top 5 market in North America, and essentially the Jays have all of Canada for their market. Their TV viewership and potential merchandise and ticket sales could be massive, it's ridiculous that this team acted like a small/mid market team for so long, but doing so gave them a base of talent to turn into guys that will cost real money, so I can't complain too much that they're doing it now... all that said d'Arnaud and Syndergaard both for Dickey seems like a big overpay regardless.

 
I know this means nothing and is a worthless point, but they got D'Arnaud in the Halladay trade, now they're going to give him up for Dickey? Just seems like a waste of acquired assets.

 
Beltran and Dickey for Wheeler, D'Arnaud & Syndergaard.Most Mets fans like the return and want it made official ASAP.If Santana has a halfway decent 1st half he'll be traded next for prospects. Mets weren't going anywhere in 2013 with or without Dickey anyway.
It took 88 wins to get into the playoffs last year. The Mets won 74 with plenty of holes. Patch a few with ok players and say they're a 80 win true talent team. With a little sequencing luck they could certainly outperform expectations enough to be a playoff contender and make a deadline deal to further improve the team. This isn't the Astros roster and the second wild card dramatically lowers the barrier for the playoffs. Mets ownership wants to claim its not doing a full tear down - they are, they're just doing it in stages to mask the stink.
 
Beltran and Dickey for Wheeler, D'Arnaud & Syndergaard.Most Mets fans like the return and want it made official ASAP.If Santana has a halfway decent 1st half he'll be traded next for prospects. Mets weren't going anywhere in 2013 with or without Dickey anyway.
It took 88 wins to get into the playoffs last year. The Mets won 74 with plenty of holes. Patch a few with ok players and say they're a 80 win true talent team. With a little sequencing luck they could certainly outperform expectations enough to be a playoff contender and make a deadline deal to further improve the team. This isn't the Astros roster and the second wild card dramatically lowers the barrier for the playoffs. Mets ownership wants to claim its not doing a full tear down - they are, they're just doing it in stages to mask the stink.
4.5 wins is heading off to Toronto. Even if you get 1-2 from D'Arnaud this year, recovering from injury, you still have a pretty big gap to cover to get to 80.Deal is apparently in place, Toronto now working on the extension with Dickey.
 
Beltran and Dickey for Wheeler, D'Arnaud & Syndergaard.Most Mets fans like the return and want it made official ASAP.If Santana has a halfway decent 1st half he'll be traded next for prospects. Mets weren't going anywhere in 2013 with or without Dickey anyway.
It took 88 wins to get into the playoffs last year. The Mets won 74 with plenty of holes. Patch a few with ok players and say they're a 80 win true talent team. With a little sequencing luck they could certainly outperform expectations enough to be a playoff contender and make a deadline deal to further improve the team. This isn't the Astros roster and the second wild card dramatically lowers the barrier for the playoffs. Mets ownership wants to claim its not doing a full tear down - they are, they're just doing it in stages to mask the stink.
4.5 wins is heading off to Toronto. Even if you get 1-2 from D'Arnaud this year, recovering from injury, you still have a pretty big gap to cover to get to 80.Deal is apparently in place, Toronto now working on the extension with Dickey.
My point is they weren't in a position where a trade of Dickey was necessary, especially since they just locked up Wright. They either should have traded them both or kept them both. And if you keep trade both, eat salary on Santana and move him too. I ####### hate the Wilpons.
 
Beltran and Dickey for Wheeler, D'Arnaud & Syndergaard.Most Mets fans like the return and want it made official ASAP.If Santana has a halfway decent 1st half he'll be traded next for prospects. Mets weren't going anywhere in 2013 with or without Dickey anyway.
It took 88 wins to get into the playoffs last year. The Mets won 74 with plenty of holes. Patch a few with ok players and say they're a 80 win true talent team. With a little sequencing luck they could certainly outperform expectations enough to be a playoff contender and make a deadline deal to further improve the team. This isn't the Astros roster and the second wild card dramatically lowers the barrier for the playoffs. Mets ownership wants to claim its not doing a full tear down - they are, they're just doing it in stages to mask the stink.
4.5 wins is heading off to Toronto. Even if you get 1-2 from D'Arnaud this year, recovering from injury, you still have a pretty big gap to cover to get to 80.Deal is apparently in place, Toronto now working on the extension with Dickey.
My point is they weren't in a position where a trade of Dickey was necessary, especially since they just locked up Wright. They either should have traded them both or kept them both. And if you keep trade both, eat salary on Santana and move him too. I ####### hate the Wilpons.
David Wright is 29. RA Dickey is 38. A 38 year-old knuckleballer, but 38 nonetheless. FWIW, I think they're doing a good job given the hand they're holding. They've only got a year left of Santana's albatross, but I don't think there's much to be done there. They'd have to eat most of the money if they traded him, or less if they included prospects. After that, Wright's the only guy left who's going to be making serious money, which gives them a lot of flexibility to start taking care of their own guys as they come up for arb.
 

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