*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (2 Viewers)

[Eephus]

Lohse went for $53 in my 14-team mixed with a $100 faab budget.for reference, best (as in, most owned in yahoo leagues) SP available as free agents include: Masterson, Porcello, Capuano, Gee, Pineda

What on Earth.

I always wondered what it would be like to play in a league with Ned Colletti

 

[RnR]

I'm willing to give that theory a chance. Lots of guys are effective the first time through the order, only to see their effectiveness slip dramatically each time through afterwards. It makes sense that you could have a guy be effective for 3 or 4 innings and then move on to the next one. I wonder if there are any perceived arm-injury prevention benefits associated with this style of staff assembly.

I'm for anyone that challenges long-standing baseball dogma.

I have often wondered what a staff of 13 relievers would produce. If you can get two innings per outing while throwing guys once every three days, seems as though it could be highly effective and cost efficient. No reason a bad team shouldn't give this a whirl. Maybe the Marlins should try this.

The two big problems I see are:It doesn't maximize the value of a team's top talent. Distributing IP evenly among a 13 man staff would give everybody around 111. That's taking 90 IP from your ace and giving them to somebody else.It reduces situational flexibility to use PH and specialist relievers. There are guys like LOOGYs and sidearmers who are positive assets over a couple of batters but would get exposed over a longer stretch.

Right, but if you were 100% committed to this concept you wouldn't want an "ace". From the draft moving forward, you're only looking at 2 inning pitchers. Think of it as having nothing but set-up men and closers in your farm system.As for the flexibility, you're right. Would probably be best served on an American League roster that has a DH and no need for a deep bench. As for the specialists, you're right. You'd have to do away with the Chad Bradfords and Mike Venafros of the world for the sake of this experiment.ETA: The perceived advantages are: 1- Less dependency on the health and effectiveness of a rotation. 2- Highly interchangeable roles on the staff makes replacing guys internally pretty simple. 3- Reduced amount of $$ spent on high salary starters leaves the majority of the team's payroll to dedicate to eight effective position players.

 

[Premier]

Mets season off to a rollicking start.

 

[Eephus]

I'm willing to give that theory a chance. Lots of guys are effective the first time through the order, only to see their effectiveness slip dramatically each time through afterwards. It makes sense that you could have a guy be effective for 3 or 4 innings and then move on to the next one. I wonder if there are any perceived arm-injury prevention benefits associated with this style of staff assembly.

I'm for anyone that challenges long-standing baseball dogma.

I have often wondered what a staff of 13 relievers would produce. If you can get two innings per outing while throwing guys once every three days, seems as though it could be highly effective and cost efficient. No reason a bad team shouldn't give this a whirl. Maybe the Marlins should try this.

The two big problems I see are:It doesn't maximize the value of a team's top talent. Distributing IP evenly among a 13 man staff would give everybody around 111. That's taking 90 IP from your ace and giving them to somebody else.It reduces situational flexibility to use PH and specialist relievers. There are guys like LOOGYs and sidearmers who are positive assets over a couple of batters but would get exposed over a longer stretch.

Right, but if you were 100% committed to this concept you wouldn't want an "ace". From the draft moving forward, you're only looking at 2 inning pitchers. Think of it as having nothing but set-up men and closers in your farm system.As for the flexibility, you're right. Would probably be best served on an American League roster that has a DH and no need for a deep bench. As for the specialists, you're right. You'd have to do away with the Chad Bradfords and Mike Venafros of the world for the sake of this experiment.ETA: The perceived advantages are: 1- Less dependency on the health and effectiveness of a rotation. 2- Highly interchangeable roles on the staff makes replacing guys internally pretty simple. 3- Reduced amount of $$ spent on high salary starters leaves the majority of the team's payroll to dedicate to eight effective position players.

Sim live?

 

[RnR]

I'm willing to give that theory a chance. Lots of guys are effective the first time through the order, only to see their effectiveness slip dramatically each time through afterwards. It makes sense that you could have a guy be effective for 3 or 4 innings and then move on to the next one. I wonder if there are any perceived arm-injury prevention benefits associated with this style of staff assembly.

I'm for anyone that challenges long-standing baseball dogma.

I have often wondered what a staff of 13 relievers would produce. If you can get two innings per outing while throwing guys once every three days, seems as though it could be highly effective and cost efficient. No reason a bad team shouldn't give this a whirl. Maybe the Marlins should try this.

The two big problems I see are:It doesn't maximize the value of a team's top talent. Distributing IP evenly among a 13 man staff would give everybody around 111. That's taking 90 IP from your ace and giving them to somebody else.It reduces situational flexibility to use PH and specialist relievers. There are guys like LOOGYs and sidearmers who are positive assets over a couple of batters but would get exposed over a longer stretch.

Right, but if you were 100% committed to this concept you wouldn't want an "ace". From the draft moving forward, you're only looking at 2 inning pitchers. Think of it as having nothing but set-up men and closers in your farm system.As for the flexibility, you're right. Would probably be best served on an American League roster that has a DH and no need for a deep bench. As for the specialists, you're right. You'd have to do away with the Chad Bradfords and Mike Venafros of the world for the sake of this experiment.ETA: The perceived advantages are: 1- Less dependency on the health and effectiveness of a rotation. 2- Highly interchangeable roles on the staff makes replacing guys internally pretty simple. 3- Reduced amount of $$ spent on high salary starters leaves the majority of the team's payroll to dedicate to eight effective position players.

Sim live?

Mark Eicchorn is 1.01 in this draft.

 

[shadyridr]

Mets season off to a rollicking start.

Doubt they were counting much on him anyway. Their rotation is still pretty sweet... Neise, harvey, gee, marcum, and maybe down the road wheeler

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Sweet

 

[oso diablo]

Lohse went for $53 in my 14-team mixed with a $100 faab budget.for reference, best (as in, most owned in yahoo leagues) SP available as free agents include: Masterson, Porcello, Capuano, Gee, Pineda

What on Earth.

lot of knuckleheads in the world

 

[the moops]

Sweet

 

[Frostillicus]

Twitter is abuzz about a Mets press conference regarding Johan Santana.

Did he die? He might be dead.

Cross him off then.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Mets season off to a rollicking start.

Doubt they were counting much on him anyway. Their rotation is still pretty sweet... Neise, harvey, gee, marcum, and maybe down the road wheeler

Right. Why would you lean on an injury-prone guy like Santana when they've got a reliable stalwart like Shaun Marcum in the fold.I kid. I actually think they're not gonna be terrible this year. Considering betting the over on their win total.

 

[Wrigley]

Can the season just start already!!!!!

 

[Statorama]

I'm willing to give that theory a chance. Lots of guys are effective the first time through the order, only to see their effectiveness slip dramatically each time through afterwards. It makes sense that you could have a guy be effective for 3 or 4 innings and then move on to the next one. I wonder if there are any perceived arm-injury prevention benefits associated with this style of staff assembly.

I'm for anyone that challenges long-standing baseball dogma.

I have often wondered what a staff of 13 relievers would produce. If you can get two innings per outing while throwing guys once every three days, seems as though it could be highly effective and cost efficient. No reason a bad team shouldn't give this a whirl. Maybe the Marlins should try this.

Chuck Tanner begged two different general managers to give this a try. Even gave the GM's a list of players he'd seen during his managing career that would be perfect for the system (I think **** Ruthven was on both lists). Both GM's turned him down.

 

[Hoos First]

I'm willing to give that theory a chance. Lots of guys are effective the first time through the order, only to see their effectiveness slip dramatically each time through afterwards. It makes sense that you could have a guy be effective for 3 or 4 innings and then move on to the next one. I wonder if there are any perceived arm-injury prevention benefits associated with this style of staff assembly.

I'm for anyone that challenges long-standing baseball dogma.

I have often wondered what a staff of 13 relievers would produce. If you can get two innings per outing while throwing guys once every three days, seems as though it could be highly effective and cost efficient. No reason a bad team shouldn't give this a whirl. Maybe the Marlins should try this.

Chuck Tanner begged two different general managers to give this a try. Even gave the GM's a list of players he'd seen during his managing career that would be perfect for the system (I think **** Ruthven was on both lists). Both GM's turned him down.

Clear your inbox

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 4mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

 

[Northern Voice]

 

[Wrigley]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 4mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

Astros make less than ARoid?

 

[Northern Voice]

Wonder if this will be Braun/PED related...

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Rondon getting sent to AAA?

 

[pantagrapher]

Johan retirement?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Rondon sent to Johan's retirement?

 

[Statorama]

I'm willing to give that theory a chance. Lots of guys are effective the first time through the order, only to see their effectiveness slip dramatically each time through afterwards. It makes sense that you could have a guy be effective for 3 or 4 innings and then move on to the next one. I wonder if there are any perceived arm-injury prevention benefits associated with this style of staff assembly.

I'm for anyone that challenges long-standing baseball dogma.

I have often wondered what a staff of 13 relievers would produce. If you can get two innings per outing while throwing guys once every three days, seems as though it could be highly effective and cost efficient. No reason a bad team shouldn't give this a whirl. Maybe the Marlins should try this.

Chuck Tanner begged two different general managers to give this a try. Even gave the GM's a list of players he'd seen during his managing career that would be perfect for the system (I think **** Ruthven was on both lists). Both GM's turned him down.

Clear your inbox

100% clear

 

[Hoos First]

I'm willing to give that theory a chance. Lots of guys are effective the first time through the order, only to see their effectiveness slip dramatically each time through afterwards. It makes sense that you could have a guy be effective for 3 or 4 innings and then move on to the next one. I wonder if there are any perceived arm-injury prevention benefits associated with this style of staff assembly.

I'm for anyone that challenges long-standing baseball dogma.

I have often wondered what a staff of 13 relievers would produce. If you can get two innings per outing while throwing guys once every three days, seems as though it could be highly effective and cost efficient. No reason a bad team shouldn't give this a whirl. Maybe the Marlins should try this.

Chuck Tanner begged two different general managers to give this a try. Even gave the GM's a list of players he'd seen during his managing career that would be perfect for the system (I think **** Ruthven was on both lists). Both GM's turned him down.

Clear your inbox

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[The Flying Elvis]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26m

Hearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 4mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

Justin Verlander ‏@JustinVerlander 7mToday is going to be a great day. Big news coming!Expand

 

[Statorama]

I'm willing to give that theory a chance. Lots of guys are effective the first time through the order, only to see their effectiveness slip dramatically each time through afterwards. It makes sense that you could have a guy be effective for 3 or 4 innings and then move on to the next one. I wonder if there are any perceived arm-injury prevention benefits associated with this style of staff assembly.

I'm for anyone that challenges long-standing baseball dogma.

I have often wondered what a staff of 13 relievers would produce. If you can get two innings per outing while throwing guys once every three days, seems as though it could be highly effective and cost efficient. No reason a bad team shouldn't give this a whirl. Maybe the Marlins should try this.

Chuck Tanner begged two different general managers to give this a try. Even gave the GM's a list of players he'd seen during his managing career that would be perfect for the system (I think **** Ruthven was on both lists). Both GM's turned him down.

Clear your inbox

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Don't know what to tell you, it's completely clear.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 4mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

Justin Verlander ‏@JustinVerlander 7mToday is going to be a great day. Big news coming!Expand

 

[Hoos First]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 4mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

Justin Verlander ‏@JustinVerlander 7mToday is going to be a great day. Big news coming!Expand

5 year extension

 

[Eephus]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 4mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

First successful human cloning experiment...More Mike Morses to come

 

[pantagrapher]

"Major" news.

 

[Billy Bats]

"Major" news.

Was going to ask if Verlander's extension was his "major news". On a different note, what in the hell has happened to Lincecum?? Too many bong hits? It sounds like the kid has completely lost it.

 

[Eephus]

On a different note, what in the hell has happened to Lincecum?? Too many bong hits? It sounds like the kid has completely lost it.

Timmy struck out 5 but again seemed to encounter problems working from the stretch. The bullpen did him no favors last night. Both of the inherited baserunners scored on a Reddick HR.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 53sPosey is done: Eight-year extension with #SFGiants, plus an option for 2022

.ETA: 9/$167mm

 

[Eephus]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 53sPosey is done: Eight-year extension with #SFGiants, plus an option for 2022

.ETA: 9/$167mm

Three arb plus five FA years. Will take him to age 34 (35 w/ the option).I'm buying him a 3B glove for Xmas.

 

[Daywalker]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Why not?

 

[RnR]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Why not?

Serious question?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Suspending anyone for 50 games isn't good PR-wise for MLB.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Why not?

Serious question?

SureIn a case like this, I subscribe to the 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' theory. They are trying to rid themselves of the cheaters and send a message to their fans. Nothing like setting that tone on day one.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Suspending anyone for 50 games isn't good PR-wise for MLB.

I present to you, Alex Rodriguez.

 

[shadyridr]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Suspending anyone for 50 games isn't good PR-wise for MLB.

I present to you, Alex Rodriguez.

when was he suspended?

 

[Daywalker]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Why not?

Serious question?

SureIn a case like this, I subscribe to the 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' theory.

If that were true would make even more sense to wait until the opening day buzz is gone. MLB will have the headlines regardless for a few weeks.

 

[Eephus]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Why not?

Serious question?

SureIn a case like this, I subscribe to the 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' theory. They are trying to rid themselves of the cheaters and send a message to their fans. Nothing like setting that tone on day one.

The news will leak whenever it does and MLB will be left scrambling

 

[RnR]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26mHearing rumblings of major news... More to come.I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Why not?

Serious question?

SureIn a case like this, I subscribe to the 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' theory. They are trying to rid themselves of the cheaters and send a message to their fans. Nothing like setting that tone on day one.

The romanticized "Opening Day" sentiment with the birth of spring, green grass, and the crack of the bat gets squashed in the eyes of the casual fan by "Oh boy, another juicer. How lame."

 

[Limp Ditka]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26m

Hearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Why not?

Serious question?

SureIn a case like this, I subscribe to the 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' theory.

They are trying to rid themselves of the cheaters and send a message to their fans. Nothing like setting that tone on day one.

The romanticized "Opening Day" sentiment with the birth of spring, green grass, and the crack of the bat gets squashed in the eyes of the casual fan by "Oh boy, another juicer. How lame."

They ruined "opening day" a long time ago.Highlighted this year by a Sunday NIGHT tilt between the Rangers and Astros with a hint of the Reds hosting the Angels on Monday.

 

[Eephus]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26m

Hearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Why not?

Serious question?

SureIn a case like this, I subscribe to the 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' theory.

They are trying to rid themselves of the cheaters and send a message to their fans. Nothing like setting that tone on day one.

The romanticized "Opening Day" sentiment with the birth of spring, green grass, and the crack of the bat gets squashed in the eyes of the casual fan by "Oh boy, another juicer. How lame."

They ruined "opening day" a long time ago.Highlighted this year by a Sunday NIGHT tilt between the Rangers and Astros with a hint of the Reds hosting the Angels on Monday.

At least it's not Seattle and Oakland playing in the Tokyo Dome It's still Opening Day to me. Can't wait!

 

[RnR]

Perhaps, but I think that's the kind of stuff that upsets the die-hards more than it does the casual fan.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26m

Hearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Why not?

Serious question?

SureIn a case like this, I subscribe to the 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' theory.

They are trying to rid themselves of the cheaters and send a message to their fans. Nothing like setting that tone on day one.

The romanticized "Opening Day" sentiment with the birth of spring, green grass, and the crack of the bat gets squashed in the eyes of the casual fan by "Oh boy, another juicer. How lame."

They ruined "opening day" a long time ago.Highlighted this year by a Sunday NIGHT tilt between the Rangers and Astros with a hint of the Reds hosting the Angels on Monday.

At least it's not Seattle and Oakland playing in the Tokyo Dome It's still Opening Day to me. Can't wait!

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 26m

Hearing rumblings of major news... More to come.

I have a bad feeling this could involve PEDs and Braun or A-Rod. Don't see what other *major news* would qualify rumblings at this time of year. Only other thing I could think of is a team being sold or moved and there has been no indications of that.

On his podcast yesterday Olney seemed to be very bullish on the possibility of MLB disciplining Braun. If suspensions are coming, right before opening day doesn't seem to be an ideal time PR-wise for MLB.

Why not?

Serious question?

SureIn a case like this, I subscribe to the 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' theory.

They are trying to rid themselves of the cheaters and send a message to their fans. Nothing like setting that tone on day one.

The romanticized "Opening Day" sentiment with the birth of spring, green grass, and the crack of the bat gets squashed in the eyes of the casual fan by "Oh boy, another juicer. How lame."

They ruined "opening day" a long time ago.Highlighted this year by a Sunday NIGHT tilt between the Rangers and Astros with a hint of the Reds hosting the Angels on Monday.

Should we all get off your lawn?

 

[Bogart]

Looking at making my first trip to Dodger Stadium on Tuesday night.