Well, they guy actually was an all-star last year. So I got that going for meI don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
Most importantly he has a slick glove. The Rays always squeeze everything out of these guys. Who the hell am I to argue with them. You thought Rodney would be awesome last year I guess?A 792 OPS out of your 1B is not good. That OPS would place him 15th in the AL for 1B against RH pitchers in 2012. As a comparison, Carlos Pena has a 247/367/497 career line vs RHP.![]()
The Rays don't have a power hitting 1B prospect and they can't afford power, have to make due with the hand they're dealt.He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.Tampa Bay squeezed a productive year out of Casey Kotchman. You couldn't find a better comp for Loney unless Sid Bream comes out of retirement.Most importantly he has a slick glove. The Rays always squeeze everything out of these guys. Who the hell am I to argue with them. You thought Rodney would be awesome last year I guess?A 792 OPS out of your 1B is not good. That OPS would place him 15th in the AL for 1B against RH pitchers in 2012. As a comparison, Carlos Pena has a 247/367/497 career line vs RHP.![]()
The Rays don't have a power hitting 1B prospect and they can't afford power, have to make due with the hand they're dealt.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
You don't understand the all-star balloting system do you?Well, they guy actually was an all-star last year. So I got that going for meI don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
TB signed him off the scrap heap. He'll have a revitalization and become an All StarWhy do teams keep giving him a chance? He just isn't that good.Rays sign the corpse of James Loney.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Yeah, I know....he's awesome. He's the Lisa Simpson of this forum too.Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Of course I do.You seem to be alone in your thinking that 3 years is an outrageous number of years for a 30 year old player.You don't understand the all-star balloting system do you?Well, they guy actually was an all-star last year. So I got that going for meI don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.
Difference between V Mart and Napoli, V Mart signing did not limit other decisions. When he got hurt Illitch said F it and gave Prince $200+ mil. I don't see the new guys in Boston doing that. I wasn't crazy about the V Mart contract for the same reason I'm not crazy about Napoli to Boston, but my opinion quickly reversed course when we signed Prince.Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.

V Mart is a significantly better hitter, Napoli has more power though.Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.
Napoli has had 2 years in the past 5 with a significantly higher OPS than Martinez has ever posted (.960 and 1.046). One of those was a half year for Napoli, and he does get hurt a lot, but he has much more power than Martinez. His batting average blows, but makes up for that with an almost as good as Martinez OBP.Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.![]()
Boston has more money than they can spend this off-season. Napoli fills their needs as well as any available free agent batDifference between V Mart and Napoli, V Mart signing did not limit other decisions. When he got hurt Illitch said F it and gave Prince $200+ mil. I don't see the new guys in Boston doing that. I wasn't crazy about the V Mart contract for the same reason I'm not crazy about Napoli to Boston, but my opinion quickly reversed course when we signed Prince.Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
From what I've gathered they're hesitant to spend the available $ though, they want to save a lot of it to re-sign their own as free agency gets closer. Will the Napoli signing effect other moves? That's where I'm questioning the move. If no then it's not a bad deal.Boston has more money than they can spend this off-season. Napoli fills their needs as well as any available free agent batDifference between V Mart and Napoli, V Mart signing did not limit other decisions. When he got hurt Illitch said F it and gave Prince $200+ mil. I don't see the new guys in Boston doing that. I wasn't crazy about the V Mart contract for the same reason I'm not crazy about Napoli to Boston, but my opinion quickly reversed course when we signed Prince.Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Grandpa, please tell us the story of the Panda and the World Serious again...pleaseYeah, I know....he's awesome. He's the Lisa Simpson of this forum too.Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.
The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid.
I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Grandpa, please tell us the story of the Panda and the World Serious again...pleaseYeah, I know....he's awesome. He's the Lisa Simpson of this forum too.Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH![]()
Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Ned Flanders: Is that the sound of butting in? It's gotta be little Lisa Simpson: Springfield's answer to the question no one asked!
He is the best poster on the internet besides Old Hoss RadbournEeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Old Hoss Radbourn @OldHossRadbournThe best outcome of this Alabama-Georgia contest would be if both teams ran into a Union cavalry division.

This statement is actually tragic and sad and tells me you rarely watch any games.Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.
Yeah, but he won't be catching anymore.Martinez is expected back at the start of next season, correct?
So are the Tigers thinking 1-5:JacksonHunterCabreraFielderMartinez?Yeah, but he won't be catching anymore.Martinez is expected back at the start of next season, correct?
Yeah, that's what they are sayingSo are the Tigers thinking 1-5:JacksonHunterCabreraFielderMartinez?Yeah, but he won't be catching anymore.Martinez is expected back at the start of next season, correct?
that's decent, I guessYeah, that's what they are sayingSo are the Tigers thinking 1-5:JacksonHunterCabreraFielderMartinez?Yeah, but he won't be catching anymore.Martinez is expected back at the start of next season, correct?
They'll hit a little better than the Mariners I think.that's decent, I guessYeah, that's what they are sayingSo are the Tigers thinking 1-5:JacksonHunterCabreraFielderMartinez?Yeah, but he won't be catching anymore.Martinez is expected back at the start of next season, correct?
This statement is actually tragic and sad and tells me you rarely watch any games.Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.
You will laugh off all the fancy stats besides batting average so I am not going to bother.True....it ended badly and I'm still pissy. However I've had my fill of him pouring salt in the wounds.scrump, you get offended anytime someone says anything about the Tigers. Lighten up, Francis.Eephus is constantly bringing the knowledge, A+ poster.
Destined for no better than 3rd in the Mighty Central!that's decent, I guessYeah, that's what they are sayingSo are the Tigers thinking 1-5:JacksonHunterCabreraFielderMartinez?Yeah, but he won't be catching anymore.Martinez is expected back at the start of next season, correct?
And you're the Ralph Wiggum of this forum; except you're less endearing.Yeah, I know....he's awesome. He's the Lisa Simpson of this forum too.Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Like Napoli having 110 more career strikeouts in 2200 less plate appearances for example?This statement is actually tragic and sad and tells me you rarely watch any games.Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.You will laugh off all the fancy stats besides batting average so I am not going to bother.
These berries taste like...burning.Looks like Texas is pretty determined to get their man.And you're the Ralph Wiggum of this forum; except you're less endearing.Yeah, I know....he's awesome. He's the Lisa Simpson of this forum too.Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DHHe's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears the Rangers are "right there with" the Dodgers on Zack Greinke.In other words, Texas is willing to spend gobs of money to acquire the right-hander. Greinke is also drawing interest from the Nationals. The Angels, meanwhile, have begun to focus elsewhere. Greinke, 29, had a 3.53 ERA, 1.20 WHIP and 200/54 K/BB ratio in 212 1/3 innings this past season between Milwaukee and Anaheim.
Old Hoss Radbourn @OldHossRadbournIn 1884 my WAR (18.6) was 5 points, or roughly two B.J. Upton seasons, higher than $75 M man B.J. Upton has produced in his career (13.6).

I take it you won't be asking Eephus for his autograph?True....it ended badly and I'm still pissy. However I've had my fill of him pouring salt in the wounds.scrump, you get offended anytime someone says anything about the Tigers. Lighten up, Francis.Eephus is constantly bringing the knowledge, A+ poster.
I think Victor Martinez is one of the best pure hitters casual baseball fans don't know...
I see your point here but Martinez is probably the best hitter on the Indians. If he was on my team, he could swing at whatever he liked.
Just proving I'm not only defending him because he's on my team.Like Napoli having 110 more career strikeouts in 2200 less plate appearances for example?This statement is actually tragic and sad and tells me you rarely watch any games.Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.You will laugh off all the fancy stats besides batting average so I am not going to bother.

The Yankees have to be at least half-seriously considering having A-Rod murdered, right?
JesusNapoli has 800 fewer PA's than Martinez over that time frame'Matthias said:Napoli oWAR* 26-30 seasons (2008-2012): 15.6Martinez oWAR* 26-30 seasons (2005-2009): 18.4* Offensive Wins over Replacement only. Defense not included.
Hitters with such "high ceilings" tend to play moreNapoli has 800 fewer PA's than Martinez over that time frame'Matthias said:Napoli oWAR* 26-30 seasons (2008-2012): 15.6Martinez oWAR* 26-30 seasons (2005-2009): 18.4* Offensive Wins over Replacement only. Defense not included.
Scrump is my Sabean proxy for the next 11 monthsI take it you won't be asking Eephus for his autograph?True....it ended badly and I'm still pissy. However I've had my fill of him pouring salt in the wounds.scrump, you get offended anytime someone says anything about the Tigers. Lighten up, Francis.Eephus is constantly bringing the knowledge, A+ poster.