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*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (2 Viewers)

He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.

The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid.

I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.

 
A 792 OPS out of your 1B is not good. That OPS would place him 15th in the AL for 1B against RH pitchers in 2012. As a comparison, Carlos Pena has a 247/367/497 career line vs RHP. :shrug:
Most importantly he has a slick glove. The Rays always squeeze everything out of these guys. Who the hell am I to argue with them. You thought Rodney would be awesome last year I guess?
:goodposting: The Rays don't have a power hitting 1B prospect and they can't afford power, have to make due with the hand they're dealt.
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
 
A 792 OPS out of your 1B is not good. That OPS would place him 15th in the AL for 1B against RH pitchers in 2012. As a comparison, Carlos Pena has a 247/367/497 career line vs RHP. :shrug:
Most importantly he has a slick glove. The Rays always squeeze everything out of these guys. Who the hell am I to argue with them. You thought Rodney would be awesome last year I guess?
:goodposting: The Rays don't have a power hitting 1B prospect and they can't afford power, have to make due with the hand they're dealt.
Tampa Bay squeezed a productive year out of Casey Kotchman. You couldn't find a better comp for Loney unless Sid Bream comes out of retirement.
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?
Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?
Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.
Yeah, I know....he's awesome. He's the Lisa Simpson of this forum too.
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Difference between V Mart and Napoli, V Mart signing did not limit other decisions. When he got hurt Illitch said F it and gave Prince $200+ mil. I don't see the new guys in Boston doing that. I wasn't crazy about the V Mart contract for the same reason I'm not crazy about Napoli to Boston, but my opinion quickly reversed course when we signed Prince.
 
Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.
Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.
:lmao:
Napoli has had 2 years in the past 5 with a significantly higher OPS than Martinez has ever posted (.960 and 1.046). One of those was a half year for Napoli, and he does get hurt a lot, but he has much more power than Martinez. His batting average blows, but makes up for that with an almost as good as Martinez OBP.
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Difference between V Mart and Napoli, V Mart signing did not limit other decisions. When he got hurt Illitch said F it and gave Prince $200+ mil. I don't see the new guys in Boston doing that. I wasn't crazy about the V Mart contract for the same reason I'm not crazy about Napoli to Boston, but my opinion quickly reversed course when we signed Prince.
Boston has more money than they can spend this off-season. Napoli fills their needs as well as any available free agent bat
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Difference between V Mart and Napoli, V Mart signing did not limit other decisions. When he got hurt Illitch said F it and gave Prince $200+ mil. I don't see the new guys in Boston doing that. I wasn't crazy about the V Mart contract for the same reason I'm not crazy about Napoli to Boston, but my opinion quickly reversed course when we signed Prince.
Boston has more money than they can spend this off-season. Napoli fills their needs as well as any available free agent bat
From what I've gathered they're hesitant to spend the available $ though, they want to save a lot of it to re-sign their own as free agency gets closer. Will the Napoli signing effect other moves? That's where I'm questioning the move. If no then it's not a bad deal.
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.

The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid.

I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?
Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.
Yeah, I know....he's awesome. He's the Lisa Simpson of this forum too.
Grandpa, please tell us the story of the Panda and the World Serious again...please
 
:goodposting:

Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?
Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.
Yeah, I know....he's awesome. He's the Lisa Simpson of this forum too.
Grandpa, please tell us the story of the Panda and the World Serious again...please
Ned Flanders: Is that the sound of butting in? It's gotta be little Lisa Simpson: Springfield's answer to the question no one asked!
 
scrump, you get offended anytime someone says anything about the Tigers. Lighten up, Francis.

Eephus is constantly bringing the knowledge, A+ poster.

 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?
Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.
He is the best poster on the internet besides Old Hoss Radbourn
Old Hoss Radbourn ‏@OldHossRadbournThe best outcome of this Alabama-Georgia contest would be if both teams ran into a Union cavalry division.
:lmao:
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?
Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.
Yeah, I know....he's awesome. He's the Lisa Simpson of this forum too.
And you're the Ralph Wiggum of this forum; except you're less endearing.
 
Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.
Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.
This statement is actually tragic and sad and tells me you rarely watch any games.
:shrug:You will laugh off all the fancy stats besides batting average so I am not going to bother.
Like Napoli having 110 more career strikeouts in 2200 less plate appearances for example?
 
He's had basically half a great year and a bunch of ok years where he missed a lot of games.The Rangers benched him last year and let him walk in favor of Geovany Soto! The Rangers aren't stupid. I don't know what your definition of all-star caliber is, good luck with that.
:goodposting: Mediocre defensively too. I won't judge the signing as long as it doesn't effect other moves. I just can't help but think Lavarnway and a mediocre veteran while spending the $ elsewhere would make more sense if they are operating with a budget.
Napoli is going to play many, if not most games at 1B I think. He will be a 1B/C/DH
His value is as a power hitting catcher, he's not nearly as valuable at 1B or DH. See, Joe Mauer, only on a much smaller scale.
Victor Martinez got a very similar deal two years ago from the Tigers. He and Napoli were both 31 year old catchers. The Martinez contract was for four years rather than three. It's hard to factor in salary inflation but clearly 2013 dollars don't go as far as 2011. Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value. The Martinez deal hasn't worked out too well though.
Does being annoying come naturally to you or do you need to work at it?
Eeph is the best poster in this forum. By far actually.
Yeah, I know....he's awesome. He's the Lisa Simpson of this forum too.
And you're the Ralph Wiggum of this forum; except you're less endearing.
These berries taste like...burning.Looks like Texas is pretty determined to get their man.
Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears the Rangers are "right there with" the Dodgers on Zack Greinke.In other words, Texas is willing to spend gobs of money to acquire the right-hander. Greinke is also drawing interest from the Nationals. The Angels, meanwhile, have begun to focus elsewhere. Greinke, 29, had a 3.53 ERA, 1.20 WHIP and 200/54 K/BB ratio in 212 1/3 innings this past season between Milwaukee and Anaheim.
 
I think Victor Martinez is one of the best pure hitters casual baseball fans don't know...
I see your point here but Martinez is probably the best hitter on the Indians. If he was on my team, he could swing at whatever he liked.
:coffee: Just proving I'm not only defending him because he's on my team.

Napoli has more power but "hitter" means hitting to me, and VMART is so much better than Napoli at hitting a baseball.

Also Giants won in 4 games, pretty sure they can say whatever they like.

 
Martinez is a better hitter but Napoli arguably has slightly more defensive value.
Not sure Martinez is necessarily a better hitter. More consistent, yes. But Napoli has a higher ceiling.
This statement is actually tragic and sad and tells me you rarely watch any games.
:shrug:You will laugh off all the fancy stats besides batting average so I am not going to bother.
Like Napoli having 110 more career strikeouts in 2200 less plate appearances for example?
:lmao: :goodposting:
 
'Matthias said:
Napoli oWAR* 26-30 seasons (2008-2012): 15.6Martinez oWAR* 26-30 seasons (2005-2009): 18.4* Offensive Wins over Replacement only. Defense not included.
Napoli has 800 fewer PA's than Martinez over that time frame
 

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