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*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (1 Viewer)
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Eephus
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Mark Reynolds just got 1 yr/$6M. Trumbo makes better contact but he's not exactly Joe Sewell.
Bogart
Footballguy
Now hearing Sanchez is giving Detroit the last at-bat.
Tori, Santana and Haren's contracts came off the books. Not exactly surprising the Angels had money to play with. A lot of Angels fans assumed Greinke was a sure thing when Santana was traded and Haren let go.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Vernon Wells currently Anaheim's 5th outfielder. Also being paid $21 million each of the next two seasons.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Reynolds has a better eye, Trumbo is a tough bat to swallow in the middle of the lineup because of his obp, makes more sense as a 6 or 7 hole bat. I'd think Reynolds would command more on the open market, but maybe Trumbo could get multi year because of his age.
MAC_32
Footballguy
It would take a king's ransom or a clubhouse implosion for the Fish to move Giancarlo before he's a year and a half out from free agency.
Eephus
Footballguy
Reynolds isn't the best comp but his combination of power, low OBP and bad glove has some similarities to Trumbo. Trumbo is better now offensively and defensively but I think there's a tendency for fantasy players to overrate him because he's a 30 HR guy. Scioscia seems to like him though.
Daniels sounds like a complete doosh. Texas got great value out of Hamilton and if they wanted him they should have been leading the negotiation. Everything coming out of the Texas camp since the end of the season has been like a preparation for his departure. Instead of wishing him well they act like he did them wrong. Weak. Perhaps the Angels said this is a one-time offer and that it won't be there if he leaves the room.
Texas looks like idiots. Doubt you would have heard this if he hadn't gone to a division rival.
Texas looks like idiots. Doubt you would have heard this if he hadn't gone to a division rival.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Before I drop the
smilie, I'd like to make sure there's no misunderstanding. Do you mean Oakland's Brett Anderson?Yeah the guy who's almost pitched 130 innings the past two years who's due six mill this season and nearly 26 over the next three with options. Trumbo a power bat they've lacked since the glory years of Jack Cust who's controlled until 2017.What do you think the market is for Anderson?Before I drop the
Edit to clarify. Anderson's name has been mentioned in trade rumors. I had Trumbo in my head. Do think Trumbo would get a bigger contract on the open market then Anderson.
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scoobus
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A's reportedly turned down Wil Myers for Anderson. I don't think Trumbo would get it done.Yeah the guy who's almost pitched 130 innings the past two years who's due six mill this season and nearly 26 over the next three with options. Trumbo a power bat they've lacked since the glory years of Jack Cust who's controlled until 2017.What do you think the market is for Anderson?Before I drop the
Edit to clarify. Anderson's name has been mentioned in trade rumors. I had Trumbo in my head. Do think Trumbo would get a bigger contract on the open market then Anderson.
First off Myers for Anderson was a rumor. For what KC is aiming for going for Shields and Davis makes a lot more sense then Anderson. With the A's success plugging pitchers into that park I'd take Myers and six years under control over Anderson easily. Napoli got 3/39. Would Trumbo got much less or perhaps more on the open market also given he has no injury history? Would Anderson get more? 4/60? On top of that Trumbo going to get a lot less over the next four years then Anderson increasing Trumbo's value.Not saying it's a slam dunk trade for the A's but Anderson for Trumbo is not out of the question. Trumbo also seems the type where his homers go out anywhere.A's reportedly turned down Wil Myers for Anderson. I don't think Trumbo would get it done.Yeah the guy who's almost pitched 130 innings the past two years who's due six mill this season and nearly 26 over the next three with options. Trumbo a power bat they've lacked since the glory years of Jack Cust who's controlled until 2017.What do you think the market is for Anderson?Before I drop the
Edit to clarify. Anderson's name has been mentioned in trade rumors. I had Trumbo in my head. Do think Trumbo would get a bigger contract on the open market then Anderson.
Does Anderson get a bigger contract then Trumbo on the open market?
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pantagrapher
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And then Sanchez's agent pulled the rug out to give Detroit a chance to match. Heard the Cubs are also talking to Carlos Villanueva. If they get one or both, they'll have a decent starting 5 next season, not that I have high hopes. Was kind of bummed they didn't get Grilli for the bullpen, but I guess they didn't want to give the old man 3 years.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Aaaaaand no deal for the Cubs and Anibal. Looks like the Tigers got him.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Cards sign Ty Wigginton to a 2 year deal worth about 5 mil. Final piece of the puzzle = acquired.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
if true.Not getting too 
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
The Cubs are such a cluster#### 
shadyridr
Footballguy
:cubs shouldve told him take it or leave it.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Why would the Cubs play hardball? I don't get that.:cubs shouldve told him take it or leave it.
cheese
Footballguy
+1, but I would take either in a heartbeat. It amazes me when fans complain about signings like this. It isn't your money, their is no salary cap, and even if you make the bold assumption that money would be used on other players if not for Hamilton, who do you prefer that's a FA?
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Guess I'm with the previous poster about how money doesn't matter. 
i wouldnt say they are a cluster####, they seem to be heading in the right direction.
Bogart
Footballguy
The Hamilton camp was very insistent on testing the Free Agent market. They specifically told Texas, for months, that they were going to shop Josh, get the best offer and THEN come back to Texas and see if Texas would match. That is what they wanted and Texas let them do it.If LAA said you can't shop this offer, then fine, that is business, good for Josh. Good for LAA. But that doesn't make Daniels a doosh or Texas a bunch of idiots for calling the Hamilton camp out on this.
Dr. Awesome
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First off Myers for Anderson was a rumor. For what KC is aiming for going for Shields and Davis makes a lot more sense then Anderson. With the A's success plugging pitchers into that park I'd take Myers and six years under control over Anderson easily. Napoli got 3/39. Would Trumbo got much less or perhaps more on the open market also given he has no injury history? Would Anderson get more? 4/60? On top of that Trumbo going to get a lot less over the next four years then Anderson increasing Trumbo's value.Not saying it's a slam dunk trade for the A's but Anderson for Trumbo is not out of the question. Trumbo also seems the type where his homers go out anywhere.A's reportedly turned down Wil Myers for Anderson. I don't think Trumbo would get it done.Yeah the guy who's almost pitched 130 innings the past two years who's due six mill this season and nearly 26 over the next three with options. Trumbo a power bat they've lacked since the glory years of Jack Cust who's controlled until 2017.What do you think the market is for Anderson?Before I drop the
Edit to clarify. Anderson's name has been mentioned in trade rumors. I had Trumbo in my head. Do think Trumbo would get a bigger contract on the open market then Anderson.
Does Anderson get a bigger contract then Trumbo on the open market?
No flippin way would Beane move Anderson for Trumbo.Oakland is lacking such power they were 7th in the majors in home runs last year. They hit more bombs than the Angels (by 8). Maybe a lot of those guys had fluke years (valid concern) but let's not pretend they desperately need a source of power. Whether it was a smart move is something we'll find out moving forward, but if he did indeed turn down Myers there's no way in hell he'd suddenly accept Trumbo. Saying they haven't had a power bat since the "glory years" of Jack Cust?
A top of the rotation ace is more valuable than Trumbo. And if Anderson can stay healthy since recovering from TJ, that's what his potential is. Look, 30 home runs are nice but when it comes with horrible defense and a mediocre OBP, he's not the stud you seem to think. He's definitely someone who will help a team but he's not going to go for an arm and a leg on the trade market. He's simply not that good. And if Anderson can stay healthy, he'd command waaaay more money than Trumbo on the open market.
Eephus
Footballguy
Sanchez would obviously help the Cubs but wouldn't turn them into a contender by himself. Theo seems to have a plan and folding when the game gets too rich is something he's done before. Epstein's reputation gives him a longer honeymoon period than most GMs would get.i wouldnt say they are a cluster####, they seem to be heading in the right direction.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I've got great respect for Theo. That's one of the reasons I think Detroit made a decent deal signing Sanchez....if for nothing other than Theo wanted him. For the Tigers this may mean bon voyage to Scherzer in the future.Sanchez would obviously help the Cubs but wouldn't turn them into a contender by himself. Theo seems to have a plan and folding when the game gets too rich is something he's done before. Epstein's reputation gives him a longer honeymoon period than most GMs would get.i wouldnt say they are a cluster####, they seem to be heading in the right direction.
boubucarow
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Sanchez is one of the few if maybe the only free agent that fit into a long term plan for the Cubs. I am greatly encouraged by the strong offer to Sanchez (along with the lack of offers to other players). But if Sanchez really wanted Detroit, the old pizza man was going to make it happen and there would be nothing within the scope of sanity that Theo could have done about it. Anibal used other teams to raise his price and got an extra year and at least an extra 1 million AAV out of it. Good for him.I assume the Cubs will be adding another starter whether Villanueva, Marcum, or whoever on a short deal. The thought that they are willing to spend money seems to be leading some to mention Bourn. I think that is ridiculous (and hope I am right). Sanchez was the right player to make a play for and Bourn is not.Sanchez would obviously help the Cubs but wouldn't turn them into a contender by himself. Theo seems to have a plan and folding when the game gets too rich is something he's done before. Epstein's reputation gives him a longer honeymoon period than most GMs would get.i wouldnt say they are a cluster####, they seem to be heading in the right direction.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Royals sign Xavier Nady
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Yeah, doesn't look like the Cubs did anything wrong here. They made a solid offer.i wouldnt say they are a cluster####, they seem to be heading in the right direction.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Sorry, but they aren't in a spot to lose a negotiation over $1m a year.Yeah, doesn't look like the Cubs did anything wrong here. They made a solid offer.i wouldnt say they are a cluster####, they seem to be heading in the right direction.
Eephus
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shadyridr
Footballguy
They didnt. He wouldve still chose detroitSorry, but they aren't in a spot to lose a negotiation over $1m a year.Yeah, doesn't look like the Cubs did anything wrong here. They made a solid offer.i wouldnt say they are a cluster####, they seem to be heading in the right direction.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Hard to see, it's so smuggy in San Fran today.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Yup. Have Hamilton be your first choice in FA, not your third.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Something tells me Texas won't end up looking as bad as LA when all is said and done.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Why on Earth would the A's and Angels trade with each other in the first place?
Trumbo's great if you're in a fantasy league, or you're a billionaire owner who thinks baseball is akin to a fantasy league. For reasons Dr A covered. Not to mention that Oakland doesn't have much room at the inn for yet another 1B/DH.
Trumbo's great if you're in a fantasy league, or you're a billionaire owner who thinks baseball is akin to a fantasy league. For reasons Dr A covered. Not to mention that Oakland doesn't have much room at the inn for yet another 1B/DH.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Buster Twittered that the Hamilton deal came from mgmt. not baseball ops.
If not for money, the Angels would be the Royals.
If not for money, the Angels would be the Royals.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I think the Mets are kind of blowing it by not giving Dickey an extension of 2/26 on to his remaining year of $5mm,. 38 isn't 38 in knuckleball years.
Or they should get something substantial in return.
Or they should get something substantial in return.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
boubucarow
Footballguy
Exactly. If the Cubs said 5/80, Sanchez takes Detroit's offer. The Cubs could not have offered him anything reasonable that would not be matched by the Tiger owner. They had no chance.'shadyridr said:They didnt. He wouldve still chose detroit'Limp Ditka said:Sorry, but they aren't in a spot to lose a negotiation over $1m a year.'pantagrapher said:Yeah, doesn't look like the Cubs did anything wrong here. They made a solid offer.'Annyong said:i wouldnt say they are a cluster####, they seem to be heading in the right direction.'Limp Ditka said:
cheese
Footballguy
In a world of billion dollar TV deals but no salary cap... money is easy to find compared to available difference makers to spend it on. Having a 25M bust (even if he becomes that) isn't nearly the risk deterrent it used to be. I might be on an island, but I think the salaries are going to keep skyrocketing and the competition for the top players will get even stronger. I'd rather be the teams sitting on good players locked up (even to 15,20,25M contracts) than the team trying to find someone worth my leftover 30M in payflex next February.'scrumptrulescent said:
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Tell that to the Yankees. A superstar bust plays, whether they stink or not. So then you're stuck with him.
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oso diablo
Footballguy
is there not still a luxury tax?
