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*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (3 Viewers)

Agreed. It doesn't look like they're going to make a big splash this offseason, but I wonder what kind of package the Yankees could put together if they were so inclined. We don't have much high level minor league talent like the Seattle package of course, so I know it's just a pipe dream.

 
The four teams on Upton's no-trade list: Seattle, Boston, Toronto and the Cubs. As I understand it, partial NTC lists get updated every year rather than once at the time the contract is signed. So it seems like Upton and his people chose the four teams most likely to trade for him this off-season. As usual, it's all about money and leverage rather than a personal preference for dry heat. This story may not be over. :coffee:

 
'Eephus said:
The four teams on Upton's no-trade list: Seattle, Boston, Toronto and the Cubs. As I understand it, partial NTC lists get updated every year rather than once at the time the contract is signed. So it seems like Upton and his people chose the four teams most likely to trade for him this off-season. As usual, it's all about money and leverage rather than a personal preference for dry heat. This story may not be over. :coffee:
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Well #### him then
 
'Good said:
Horrible signing. $14mm is too much for any reliever, nevermind losing the first round pick.
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Of course it's an overpay. But if you think about it, what do the Nats need the money for? Other than to keep beer prices down, which they won't do anyway. They don't have any roster holes, and likely won't until a full season after the deal is up. If they think they can afford $14 million, what better to spend it on in 2013 and 2014?The first round pick is another issue, although the fact that it's so late helps.
 
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'Good said:
Horrible signing. $14mm is too much for any reliever, nevermind losing the first round pick.
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Of course it's an overpay. But if you think about it, what do the Nats need the money for? Other than to keep beer prices down, which they won't do anyway. They don't have any roster holes, and likely won't until a full season after the deal is up. If they think they can afford $14 million, what better to spend it on in 2013 and 2014?The first round pick is another issue, although the fact that it's so late helps.
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Fair enough on the money. But losing the draft pick is just crazy, even if it's a late 1st. The biggest efficiency in baseball right now is to get young guys who can play, as they give you the most bang for your buck before they hit arb./the FA market. How much is a late first round pick worth, in terms of wins? I'm sure some nerd has figured this out somewhere.
 
'Good said:
'TobiasFunke said:
'Good said:
Horrible signing. $14mm is too much for any reliever, nevermind losing the first round pick.
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Of course it's an overpay. But if you think about it, what do the Nats need the money for? Other than to keep beer prices down, which they won't do anyway. They don't have any roster holes, and likely won't until a full season after the deal is up. If they think they can afford $14 million, what better to spend it on in 2013 and 2014?The first round pick is another issue, although the fact that it's so late helps.
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Fair enough on the money. But losing the draft pick is just crazy, even if it's a late 1st. The biggest efficiency in baseball right now is to get young guys who can play, as they give you the most bang for your buck before they hit arb./the FA market. How much is a late first round pick worth, in terms of wins? I'm sure some nerd has figured this out somewhere.
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The Yankees' history of first rounders is pretty poor, even considering they usually pick late due to their record or compensation picks.
 
If the nats were so interested in going for it all this year maybe they shouldn't have shut down strasburg last yr. That being said, regardless of money, its hard to deny that's a sick rotation/bullpen

 
'shadyridr said:
'Eephus said:
'shadyridr said:
If the nats were so interested in going for it all this year maybe they shouldn't have shut down strasburg last yr.
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:confused:
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Theyre giving up a first rounder this year which tells me they are making the move for now. Nothing wrong with that imo. But then last year when they had a legit chance to win it all, they shut down strasburg. Just seems like contrasting philosophies
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Maybe so, but the decision to shut Strasburg down last year was to make sure he was available this year
 
'Good said:
'TobiasFunke said:
'Good said:
Horrible signing. $14mm is too much for any reliever, nevermind losing the first round pick.
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Of course it's an overpay. But if you think about it, what do the Nats need the money for? Other than to keep beer prices down, which they won't do anyway. They don't have any roster holes, and likely won't until a full season after the deal is up. If they think they can afford $14 million, what better to spend it on in 2013 and 2014?The first round pick is another issue, although the fact that it's so late helps.
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Fair enough on the money. But losing the draft pick is just crazy, even if it's a late 1st. The biggest efficiency in baseball right now is to get young guys who can play, as they give you the most bang for your buck before they hit arb./the FA market. How much is a late first round pick worth, in terms of wins? I'm sure some nerd has figured this out somewhere.
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Agreed, I was more worried about the loss of the draft pick and the accompanying pool $ than the salary. A serious break from Rizzo's usual M.O. But rumor has it that this draft class is very weak, so I figure the front office has earned the benefit of the doubt.Going back a few years so we can judge them better, here's the guys taken with the 29th overall pick from 2005-2009: Jacob Marceaux, Kyle McCulloch, Wendell Fairley, Lonnie Chisenhall, Slade Heathcott. One guy who turned into a stud prospect and at least a serviceable major leaguer, one guy who might turn into that.
 
Ran across a neat bit of trivia today.2012 NFL starting QB who also played professional baseball?

Russell Wilson
 
MLB has changed the balk rule which will make the old fake to third look around to first base now illegal and a balk.THANK YOU MLB.

 
Wonder how many times that move still happen? I imagine some knucklehead pitchers will take a few months and a few balk calls before it sinks in.

 
'Wrigley said:
'Limp Ditka said:
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Notorious T.R.E. said:
'Eephus said:
'shadyridr said:
If the nats were so interested in going for it all this year maybe they shouldn't have shut down strasburg last yr.
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Shut down shadyridr, imo.
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If this forum wants to win in 2013, I don't think we have a choice.
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Do we have to wait until August?
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trade him.
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Get a hold of Jeff Tefertiller in the AC forum. We'll take heydangle and a box of half-eaten corn cobs back.
 
Michael Morse to SeattleJohn Jaso to OaklandAJ Cole & PTBNL to WashingtonNot clear if the PTBNL is coming from Oakland or Seattle.

 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Brady Marino said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
Is Seattle punting defense this year?
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Figure it'll either be Morse or Montero at DH. Seattle still giving the Jesus a shot at C?
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We need to get heydangle over here and get his :2cents:
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Jack Z is in full bread and circuses mode to save his job. The fans want more offense after the past few years. So the Mariners are moving the fences in and have a roster with five players best suited to DH (Montero, Morse, Morales, Ibanez and Bay) plus two other guys (Smoak and Carp) who are first basemen. They'll be more fun to watch for a while but they'll still finish under .500
 
Jack Z in panic mode is the angle, yep. Amazing that teams don't fire GM's before they get to spots like he's in, asking for disaster.

 
Baseball is reportedly going to allow interpreters on the mound. And Raider Nation should be happy as they're trying to ban the fake to third throw to first pickoff.http://tracking.si.com/2013/01/14/mlb-to-allow-interpreters-to-mound/

 
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'Eephus said:
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Brady Marino said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
Is Seattle punting defense this year?
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Figure it'll either be Morse or Montero at DH. Seattle still giving the Jesus a shot at C?
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We need to get heydangle over here and get his :2cents:
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Jack Z is in full bread and circuses mode to save his job. The fans want more offense after the past few years. So the Mariners are moving the fences in and have a roster with five players best suited to DH (Montero, Morse, Morales, Ibanez and Bay) plus two other guys (Smoak and Carp) who are first basemen. They'll be more fun to watch for a while but they'll still finish under .500
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Smoak will probably be in AAA and Carp could be shopped. Montero at C, Morse or Morales share 1B/DH, which leaves Bay and Ibanez to share LF and RF. Woof.
 
'scrumptrulescent said:
'Brady Marino said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
Is Seattle punting defense this year?
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Figure it'll either be Morse or Montero at DH. Seattle still giving the Jesus a shot at C?
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Was hoping Morse would go to a more fantasy friendly team. Or will Seattle become more fantasy friendly overnight? How far in have they moved the fences?
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http://seattletimes.com/html/marinersblog/2019323270_mariners_moving_fences_in_at_s.html
The biggest change will be from left-center to straightaway center, where the wall will be moved in anywhere from four to 17 feet.From the left-field corner to the left-center power alley, the wall will come in four feet. Also, the hand-operated scoreboard that currently makes for a 16-foot-high wall to clear will be moved elsewhere, leaving the wall 8-feet-high.The distance to the left-center power alley will decrease from 390 to 378 feet.Straightaway center will decline from 405 to 401 feet.From straightaway center to the right-center power alley will change four feet from 385 to 381.
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'Brady Marino said:
'Eephus said:
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Brady Marino said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
Is Seattle punting defense this year?
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Figure it'll either be Morse or Montero at DH. Seattle still giving the Jesus a shot at C?
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We need to get heydangle over here and get his :2cents:
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Jack Z is in full bread and circuses mode to save his job. The fans want more offense after the past few years. So the Mariners are moving the fences in and have a roster with five players best suited to DH (Montero, Morse, Morales, Ibanez and Bay) plus two other guys (Smoak and Carp) who are first basemen. They'll be more fun to watch for a while but they'll still finish under .500
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Smoak will probably be in AAA and Carp could be shopped. Montero at C, Morse or Morales share 1B/DH, which leaves Bay and Ibanez to share LF and RF. Woof.
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They probably won't finish 5th!
 
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Napoli re-re-signs for 1 year, $5mm.At that price it doesn't seem so bad, but there must've been some pretty ugly stuff in that physical.
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He can still earn up to $13MM if he doesn't go on the DL for a hip injury.
 
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