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could have had a CB like Robinson or Hayward or another DT and they took a project QB to sit behind Manning. I don't get that pick at all. Could have taken instant impact players for a team that can use instant impact players in the 2nd round.

Wolfe is an interior pass rusher and Denver needed that badly and Hillman sounds like he can be a good versatile player. But it's going to take me a while to get over the Osweiler pick. I just do not get it.

 
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could have had a CB like Robinson or Hayward or another DT and they took a project QB to sit behind Manning. I don't get that pick at all. Could have taken instant impact players for a team that can use instant impact players in the 2nd round. Wolfe is an interior pass rusher and Denver needed that badly and Hillman sounds like he can be a good versatile player. But it's going to take me a while to get over the Osweiler pick. I just do not get it.
I like the Wolfe pick. It fills a need. But the Hillman pick was a luxury pick that is nice, but was not a NEED that early with all the team needs. I see him as a change of pace/3rd down back, but I know others, who know more than me, have him as a stud. Osweiler was an Elway screw u pick to the Tebow crowd and nothing but an ego pick.Now if Denver ends up with 1-2 titles in the next 4 years under Manning and has a successor groomed and ready to go with Osweiler, I will obviously be eating crow, but????
 
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yeah, I'm with you guys. This entire thing sniffs of drafting for luxury...not BPA, not need, but luxury.

penetrating DT - luxury. Back-up QB to groom - luxury. Scat-back - luxury. Meanwhile, I don't know what broncos intend to do opposite Champ, I don't know how Dawkins will be replaced, I don't think the OL is solidified (depth sorely needed, if not out-right replace the RG and C), and I don't think the MLB question is answered.

I don't feel like this team is any better at this point than it was a week ago.

 
yeah, I'm with you guys. This entire thing sniffs of drafting for luxury...not BPA, not need, but luxury.penetrating DT - luxury. Back-up QB to groom - luxury. Scat-back - luxury. Meanwhile, I don't know what broncos intend to do opposite Champ, I don't know how Dawkins will be replaced, I don't think the OL is solidified (depth sorely needed, if not out-right replace the RG and C), and I don't think the MLB question is answered.I don't feel like this team is any better at this point than it was a week ago.
I think Hillman has a much higher ceiling than scat back. Maybe not this year, but he can be the lead back
 
yeah, I'm with you guys. This entire thing sniffs of drafting for luxury...not BPA, not need, but luxury.penetrating DT - luxury. Back-up QB to groom - luxury. Scat-back - luxury. Meanwhile, I don't know what broncos intend to do opposite Champ, I don't know how Dawkins will be replaced, I don't think the OL is solidified (depth sorely needed, if not out-right replace the RG and C), and I don't think the MLB question is answered.I don't feel like this team is any better at this point than it was a week ago.
my tone was negative, but I kind of like the picks outside of Osweiler. Denver needed an interior pass rusher badly and Wolfe may be the most pro-ready and best interioir pass rusher that was available at pick 25 and after. I don't like the value we got for moving down twice, but I get it. Hillman, imo, is another decent pick. I don't think Moreno sticks around very long and Hillman has big-play ability in addition to being a guy who I think can make an impact in the passing game.I don't like the Osweiler pick not because I dislike the player. I think he would have been an okay pick a little later, but when the Broncos took him they could have taken a very good CB prospect like the guy from UCF or Vanderbilt. The cupboard is pretty bare behind 34-year-old Champ and the oft-injured Porter. That's my biggest beef with the draft so far.
 
could have had a CB like Robinson or Hayward or another DT and they took a project QB to sit behind Manning. I don't get that pick at all. Could have taken instant impact players for a team that can use instant impact players in the 2nd round.

Wolfe is an interior pass rusher and Denver needed that badly and Hillman sounds like he can be a good versatile player. But it's going to take me a while to get over the Osweiler pick. I just do not get it.
They must really like Osweilers future. If their thinking is they are going to drafting last or next to last the next 3 years maybe they saw it as a last chance to have a franchise QB ready to go after Manning. LINK

Osweiler will need time to develop and likely doesn't have the ability to jump in and wrestle a starting position away in his rookie season in the NFL. However, Osweiler has been applauded for his leadership and on-field presence, so it wouldn't be a surprise to see him start to win over the locker room as a backup and show flashes of brilliance in practice.

As mentioned by the scouts, his size and athleticism could be a once-in-a-generation mix that won't be seen in many drafts to come. Once he gets a handle on the NFL game, he could turn out to be the major steal of the 2012 draft.
 
could have had a CB like Robinson or Hayward or another DT and they took a project QB to sit behind Manning. I don't get that pick at all. Could have taken instant impact players for a team that can use instant impact players in the 2nd round.

Wolfe is an interior pass rusher and Denver needed that badly and Hillman sounds like he can be a good versatile player. But it's going to take me a while to get over the Osweiler pick. I just do not get it.
They must really like Osweilers future. If their thinking is they are going to drafting last or next to last the next 3 years maybe they saw it as a last chance to have a franchise QB ready to go after Manning. LINK

Osweiler will need time to develop and likely doesn't have the ability to jump in and wrestle a starting position away in his rookie season in the NFL. However, Osweiler has been applauded for his leadership and on-field presence, so it wouldn't be a surprise to see him start to win over the locker room as a backup and show flashes of brilliance in practice.

As mentioned by the scouts, his size and athleticism could be a once-in-a-generation mix that won't be seen in many drafts to come. Once he gets a handle on the NFL game, he could turn out to be the major steal of the 2012 draft.
This. Or, Osweiller is Jack Elway's BFF, and John is hooking him up.I guess we'll find out once TC starts.

 
I'm with you guys. Teams with aging future hall of famers should be pouring all their resources into making a couple of last runs, and forget about the future entirely. I mean, can you imagine what kind of hell Green Bay would have had to deal with if they'd drafted a QB in the first couple of rounds toward the end of the Brett Favre era? Or imagine what would have happened if San Fran was trading for QBs while Joe Montana was still around. You gotta use those precious resources and completely mortgage the future while you still have a chance. I'm sure fans will totally forgive you if you suck 3 years from now because your QBs are Adam Webber and Caleb Hanie.

All sarcasm aside, drafting a backup QB WAS drafting for need. Denver needed a backup QB in the worst possible way. Peyton's got some serious injury questions, to the point where Denver brass isn't even certain he'll be here a year from now (check out all the void clauses in the contract- Denver has a void option in 3 out of the 4 future seasons). And besides, Peyton Manning can't win a championship if you miss the playoffs because he sat out 3 games to injury and you went 0-3 thanks to Adam Webber.

Moreover, I love the fact that EFX feel confident enough to make a pick that they hope won't be paying dividends for 3 more years. It shows they have confidence they'll still be he to reap the rewards.

Edit: to state another way- QBs have a 2-3 year development cycle, so smart organizations don't acquire rookie QBs when they need one, they acquire them 2-3 years before they need them. Unless, of course, said organization prefers the Indy method- become so brutal that you land the #1 overall, then hope it's Peyton Manning and not Jamarcus Russell.

 
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yeah, I'm with you guys. This entire thing sniffs of drafting for luxury...not BPA, not need, but luxury.penetrating DT - luxury. Back-up QB to groom - luxury. Scat-back - luxury. Meanwhile, I don't know what broncos intend to do opposite Champ, I don't know how Dawkins will be replaced, I don't think the OL is solidified (depth sorely needed, if not out-right replace the RG and C), and I don't think the MLB question is answered.I don't feel like this team is any better at this point than it was a week ago.
my tone was negative, but I kind of like the picks outside of Osweiler. Denver needed an interior pass rusher badly and Wolfe may be the most pro-ready and best interioir pass rusher that was available at pick 25 and after. I don't like the value we got for moving down twice, but I get it. Hillman, imo, is another decent pick. I don't think Moreno sticks around very long and Hillman has big-play ability in addition to being a guy who I think can make an impact in the passing game.I don't like the Osweiler pick not because I dislike the player. I think he would have been an okay pick a little later, but when the Broncos took him they could have taken a very good CB prospect like the guy from UCF or Vanderbilt. The cupboard is pretty bare behind 34-year-old Champ and the oft-injured Porter. That's my biggest beef with the draft so far.
The sooner Moreno leaves town, the better. He's not worth what his salary goes to next year, and unless he beefs back up this off-season, I don't think he'll even be a decent part-time option.Draft was a mess IMO- staying put at 31 and getting Martin or Wilson would have been good use of the late 1st round. Again, it may just be my bias against thinking Moreno can bring anything to the table, but McGahee is going to need a complementary back this year as his old one (Tebow- ha) is gone. And if the wheels come off McGahee, well, Manning gets his one dimensional offense afterall.I get the Osweiler pick...but I doubt anybody else was as high on him as the Broncos. Russell Wilson or Osweiler would have been there in the 3rd and Wilson may have the better resume on draft day anyway. Bolden was a risky pick too- at least they got good value, but having another pick at the position for security would have been nice (Champ ain't going to be around forever).
 
'BusterTBronco said:
yeah, I'm with you guys. This entire thing sniffs of drafting for luxury...not BPA, not need, but luxury.

penetrating DT - luxury. Back-up QB to groom - luxury. Scat-back - luxury. Meanwhile, I don't know what broncos intend to do opposite Champ, I don't know how Dawkins will be replaced, I don't think the OL is solidified (depth sorely needed, if not out-right replace the RG and C), and I don't think the MLB question is answered.

I don't feel like this team is any better at this point than it was a week ago.
That's why Sports Illustrated gave our draft a "D"
That's a pretty hollow grade considering none of these guys have hit the field. I seem to remember Detroit getting high grades the day after picking guys like Charles Rogers and Teddy Lehman. Let's go ahead and grade this one a few years down the road.And I read a good point on a Bronco forum. Considering what Griffin going for 3 1sts and a 2nd rounder, a project QB like Tannehill going 8th overall, a near-30-year-old Weeden going in the 1st, and Russell Wilson going in the 3rd, maybe the Osweiler pick wasn't such a reach. I do think the front office is driven by a guy(s) that does not want to worry about rebuilding & therefore is investing in the future hoping Osweiler will be ready to go as a top-flight QB when Peyton ultimately retires. From that point, (and considering Caleb Hanie is the present #2 guy while also assuming Elway really likes Osweiler as a player) the pick makes a lot more sense. Maybe it's homer goggles, but I am warming to the pick.

 
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I'm with you guys. Teams with aging future hall of famers should be pouring all their resources into making a couple of last runs, and forget about the future entirely. I mean, can you imagine what kind of hell Green Bay would have had to deal with if they'd drafted a QB in the first couple of rounds toward the end of the Brett Favre era? Or imagine what would have happened if San Fran was trading for QBs while Joe Montana was still around. You gotta use those precious resources and completely mortgage the future while you still have a chance. I'm sure fans will totally forgive you if you suck 3 years from now because your QBs are Adam Webber and Caleb Hanie. All sarcasm aside, drafting a backup QB WAS drafting for need. Denver needed a backup QB in the worst possible way. Peyton's got some serious injury questions, to the point where Denver brass isn't even certain he'll be here a year from now (check out all the void clauses in the contract- Denver has a void option in 3 out of the 4 future seasons). And besides, Peyton Manning can't win a championship if you miss the playoffs because he sat out 3 games to injury and you went 0-3 thanks to Adam Webber. Moreover, I love the fact that EFX feel confident enough to make a pick that they hope won't be paying dividends for 3 more years. It shows they have confidence they'll still be he to reap the rewards.Edit: to state another way- QBs have a 2-3 year development cycle, so smart organizations don't acquire rookie QBs when they need one, they acquire them 2-3 years before they need them. Unless, of course, said organization prefers the Indy method- become so brutal that you land the #1 overall, then hope it's Peyton Manning and not Jamarcus Russell.
I'm not debating that Denver needed a better back-up QB. My point of contention is using a 2nd rounder on one. You want a decent back-up QB for 2012, someone that can step in and win a game if needed? Bring in Garrard (err...should have done in March). Even better - don't trade Tebow. You want a development QB - a lottery ticket? draft BJ Coleman in the 6th. No need to draft the QBotF in 2012.Further, you really can't find QBotF in late round 2. If a player is good enough to possibly be a QBotF, he will be gone in round one. There are exceptions - guys who teams took a flier on and drafted late, but QBofT's never come on the middle rounds.In no particular order, here are (arguably) the top 20 QB's in the league - you'd presumably want your QBotF to be a top 20 guy.Brees: round 2,32 overallStafford: round 1,1 overallBrady: round 6,199 overallRivers: round 1,4 overallEli Manning: round 1,1 overallFitzpatrick: round 7,250 overallRyan: round 1,3 overallFreeman: round 1,17 overallRomo: undraftedRodgers: round 1,24 overallNewton: round 1,1 overallRoethlisberger: round 1,11 overallSchaub: round 3,90 overallDalton: round 2,35 overallVick: round 1,1 overallcutler: round 1,11 overallhasselbeck: round 6,187 overallalex smith: round 1,1 overallpalmer: round 1,1 overallPeyton Manning: round 1,1 overallbroken down by round:1st 132nd 23rd 14th 05th 06th 27+ 2Matt Schaub is the only guy here who was drafted between high second and round 6. Not a very good hit rate. Look - in time, I hope that I will grow to love the Osweiller pick. But right now, May 1, 2012, I'm wishing the Broncos had traded up in the 2nd round and taken Konz, Worthy, Still, Jeffery, Stephen Hill, etc. After the trade downs, I was certain this would happen.
 
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'BusterTBronco said:
Draftace.com (which does some of the most thorough draft reviews in the business) gave the Broncos a C+http://draftace.com/blog/2012/04/30/draft-grades-denver-broncos/I won't post the whole thing but here is the summary

Overall, this was a disappointing haul for the Broncos. They didn’t make too many extreme reaches, but they also failed to add immediate help for Manning. Even if Osweiler proves to be the heir apparent to Manning, if they won’t win during the Manning era, we’ll have to wonder if they missed an opportunity to upgrade the talent around him with that selection.
Nice going, Elway!
Don't think the 57th pick in the 2012 draft will be the reason the Broncos won't win during the Manning draft.
 
I'm not debating that Denver needed a better back-up QB. My point of contention is using a 2nd rounder on one. You want a decent back-up QB for 2012, someone that can step in and win a game if needed? Bring in Garrard (err...should have done in March). Even better - don't trade Tebow. You want a development QB - a lottery ticket? draft BJ Coleman in the 6th. No need to draft the QBotF in 2012.Further, you really can't find QBotF in late round 2. If a player is good enough to possibly be a QBotF, he will be gone in round one. There are exceptions - guys who teams took a flier on and drafted late, but QBofT's never come on the middle rounds.In no particular order, here are (arguably) the top 20 QB's in the league - you'd presumably want your QBotF to be a top 20 guy.Brees: round 2,32 overallStafford: round 1,1 overallBrady: round 6,199 overallRivers: round 1,4 overallEli Manning: round 1,1 overallFitzpatrick: round 7,250 overallRyan: round 1,3 overallFreeman: round 1,17 overallRomo: undraftedRodgers: round 1,24 overallNewton: round 1,1 overallRoethlisberger: round 1,11 overallSchaub: round 3,90 overallDalton: round 2,35 overallVick: round 1,1 overallcutler: round 1,11 overallhasselbeck: round 6,187 overallalex smith: round 1,1 overallpalmer: round 1,1 overallPeyton Manning: round 1,1 overallbroken down by round:1st 132nd 23rd 14th 05th 06th 27+ 2Matt Schaub is the only guy here who was drafted between high second and round 6. Not a very good hit rate. Look - in time, I hope that I will grow to love the Osweiller pick. But right now, May 1, 2012, I'm wishing the Broncos had traded up in the 2nd round and taken Konz, Worthy, Still, Jeffery, Stephen Hill, etc. After the trade downs, I was certain this would happen.
I like Tebow, but he wasn't the answer. When Orton went down, the offense had to be completely redesigned to suit him. That's all well and good when he's replacing Orton, but wholly impractical when he's just keeping the seat warm for Manning. Tebow has a place in the NFL, but that place is not running a Peyton Manning offense.As for your chart... there's another way to read it. 2nd and 3rd rounders make up 3/7ths of the non-1st round successes, but I guarantee they make up a lot less than 3/7ths of all non-1st round QBs. Yeah, the success rate sucks... But it sucks a lot less than the success rate of any other method (other than spending a high 1st). Finding a franchise QB is hard, but it's less hard in the 2nd than in the 6th. If EFX thought they had one, or even the potential to have one,, then they made the right call in pulling the trigger. Seriously, this all reminds me of how bitterly everyone complained after Denver traded up to draft a QB in the first when they were coming off an AFC championship game appearance. Everyone always pays lip service to going BPA, and then when a franchise actually does it, they get raked over the coals.
 
so what does hillman's drafting mean to dynasty? i'm one of those that grabbed fanin - he of the "best looking RB in camp last year until he blew his knee" - off the waiver wire towards the end of last year. ball, moreno, willis, johnson, fanin and now this kid? #cluster####

 
I'm not debating that Denver needed a better back-up QB. My point of contention is using a 2nd rounder on one. You want a decent back-up QB for 2012, someone that can step in and win a game if needed? Bring in Garrard (err...should have done in March). Even better - don't trade Tebow. You want a development QB - a lottery ticket? draft BJ Coleman in the 6th. No need to draft the QBotF in 2012.Further, you really can't find QBotF in late round 2. If a player is good enough to possibly be a QBotF, he will be gone in round one. There are exceptions - guys who teams took a flier on and drafted late, but QBofT's never come on the middle rounds.In no particular order, here are (arguably) the top 20 QB's in the league - you'd presumably want your QBotF to be a top 20 guy.Brees: round 2,32 overallStafford: round 1,1 overallBrady: round 6,199 overallRivers: round 1,4 overallEli Manning: round 1,1 overallFitzpatrick: round 7,250 overallRyan: round 1,3 overallFreeman: round 1,17 overallRomo: undraftedRodgers: round 1,24 overallNewton: round 1,1 overallRoethlisberger: round 1,11 overallSchaub: round 3,90 overallDalton: round 2,35 overallVick: round 1,1 overallcutler: round 1,11 overallhasselbeck: round 6,187 overallalex smith: round 1,1 overallpalmer: round 1,1 overallPeyton Manning: round 1,1 overallbroken down by round:1st 132nd 23rd 14th 05th 06th 27+ 2Matt Schaub is the only guy here who was drafted between high second and round 6. Not a very good hit rate. Look - in time, I hope that I will grow to love the Osweiller pick. But right now, May 1, 2012, I'm wishing the Broncos had traded up in the 2nd round and taken Konz, Worthy, Still, Jeffery, Stephen Hill, etc. After the trade downs, I was certain this would happen.
I like Tebow, but he wasn't the answer. When Orton went down, the offense had to be completely redesigned to suit him. That's all well and good when he's replacing Orton, but wholly impractical when he's just keeping the seat warm for Manning. Tebow has a place in the NFL, but that place is not running a Peyton Manning offense.As for your chart... there's another way to read it. 2nd and 3rd rounders make up 3/7ths of the non-1st round successes, but I guarantee they make up a lot less than 3/7ths of all non-1st round QBs. Yeah, the success rate sucks... But it sucks a lot less than the success rate of any other method (other than spending a high 1st). Finding a franchise QB is hard, but it's less hard in the 2nd than in the 6th. If EFX thought they had one, or even the potential to have one,, then they made the right call in pulling the trigger. Seriously, this all reminds me of how bitterly everyone complained after Denver traded up to draft a QB in the first when they were coming off an AFC championship game appearance. Everyone always pays lip service to going BPA, and then when a franchise actually does it, they get raked over the coals.
You see the Osweiller pick as BPA? I suppose if he is a legit franchise qb, sure...but that's not a given. Most teams passed on him twice, so not sure that he is universally considered a future QBotF. It's very possible he fizzles out like almpst all late 2nd round QB's.For the record, I wasn't a fan of the cutler trade-up, and that clearly wasn't BPA. I don't think trading up is consistent with drafting the Best Player Available, that's more about goimg all in for a specific targeted player, probably @ a position of need. In cutler's case, Shanahan wanted to replace Jake Plummer because he didn't feel Plummer worked hard enough.
 
so what does hillman's drafting mean to dynasty? i'm one of those that grabbed fanin - he of the "best looking RB in camp last year until he blew his knee" - off the waiver wire towards the end of last year. ball, moreno, willis, johnson, fanin and now this kid? #cluster####
Conventional wisdom is that Hillman may spell the end of Moreno. Right now my guess is McGahee @1a, Hillman @1b, the rest duke it out to spell McGhaee and/or Hillman. No idea how that plays out.
 
You see the Osweiller pick as BPA? I suppose if he is a legit franchise qb, sure...but that's not a given. Most teams passed on him twice, so not sure that he is universally considered a future QBotF. It's very possible he fizzles out like almpst all late 2nd round QB's.For the record, I wasn't a fan of the cutler trade-up, and that clearly wasn't BPA. I don't think trading up is consistent with drafting the Best Player Available, that's more about goimg all in for a specific targeted player, probably @ a position of need. In cutler's case, Shanahan wanted to replace Jake Plummer because he didn't feel Plummer worked hard enough.
I don't see Osweiler as BPA, but I'm assuming EFX did, because they drafted him. The point I'm making is that if you say you want your team to draft BPA, you lose all right to criticize them based on the position of the player they drafted. You think Osweiler's a bum with happy feet and a $.02 head, fine, but you can't say "teams should draft the best player on their board", and then turn around and say "teams shouldn't draft backup QBs in the second", because that backup QB might be the best player left on the board.*I don't get why it's relevant that most teams passed on Osweiler twice. Everyone left on the board had been passed on exactly the same number of times at that point. And Trade-Ups can certainly be consistent with BPA. If you have one guy who is rated head and shoulders above everyone else, and you go after him, then you're using your resources to get the best player available. To illustrate with a silly hypothetical- if Andrew Luck fell all the way to 24, and Denver traded a 6th rounder to move up one slot to get him, wouldn't you say that's a textbook example of BPA?As for Cutler, I believe that trade had more to do with Shanahan's love of Cutler as a prospect than with Shanahan's aversion to Plummer as a player. Either way, the armchair GMs wound up looking silly on that one in the end. Maybe they'll look silly on this one, too. Maybe not- the odds are against it even at the top of the first, even moreso at the bottom of the second. But a move can be the right move even if it doesn't work out in the end. If EFX was that high on Osweiler, and they didn't think they could slide back and still get him, then going for him was the right move, even if Manning will be around for 3-5 more years. Heck, the Osweiler pick probably makes the most sense for a team that has the luxury of giving him 3-5 years of working with Elway and Manning before throwing him to the wolves. *the "you" in this paragraph doesn't refer to you in particular, it refers to everyone who advocates BPA before the draft and then complains afterward that the team didn't draft for need.
 
You see the Osweiller pick as BPA? I suppose if he is a legit franchise qb, sure...but that's not a given. Most teams passed on him twice, so not sure that he is universally considered a future QBotF. It's very possible he fizzles out like almpst all late 2nd round QB's.

For the record, I wasn't a fan of the cutler trade-up, and that clearly wasn't BPA. I don't think trading up is consistent with drafting the Best Player Available, that's more about goimg all in for a specific targeted player, probably @ a position of need. In cutler's case, Shanahan wanted to replace Jake Plummer because he didn't feel Plummer worked hard enough.
I don't see Osweiler as BPA, but I'm assuming EFX did, because they drafted him. The point I'm making is that if you say you want your team to draft BPA, you lose all right to criticize them based on the position of the player they drafted. You think Osweiler's a bum with happy feet and a $.02 head, fine, but you can't say "teams should draft the best player on their board", and then turn around and say "teams shouldn't draft backup QBs in the second", because that backup QB might be the best player left on the board.*I don't get why it's relevant that most teams passed on Osweiler twice. Everyone left on the board had been passed on exactly the same number of times at that point. And Trade-Ups can certainly be consistent with BPA. If you have one guy who is rated head and shoulders above everyone else, and you go after him, then you're using your resources to get the best player available. To illustrate with a silly hypothetical- if Andrew Luck fell all the way to 24, and Denver traded a 6th rounder to move up one slot to get him, wouldn't you say that's a textbook example of BPA?

As for Cutler, I believe that trade had more to do with Shanahan's love of Cutler as a prospect than with Shanahan's aversion to Plummer as a player. Either way, the armchair GMs wound up looking silly on that one in the end. Maybe they'll look silly on this one, too. Maybe not- the odds are against it even at the top of the first, even moreso at the bottom of the second. But a move can be the right move even if it doesn't work out in the end. If EFX was that high on Osweiler, and they didn't think they could slide back and still get him, then going for him was the right move, even if Manning will be around for 3-5 more years. Heck, the Osweiler pick probably makes the most sense for a team that has the luxury of giving him 3-5 years of working with Elway and Manning before throwing him to the wolves.

*the "you" in this paragraph doesn't refer to you in particular, it refers to everyone who advocates BPA before the draft and then complains afterward that the team didn't draft for need.
by this logic, if you assume every team drafts BPA, you have no ability to criticize any draft choice. What fun is that?I don't think many teams go for BPA ever. When the pundits think a team is going BPA by drafting someone at a position not needed, that probably means that the pundits really didn't understand a teams needs, possibly due to disinformation that all teams spread. Its All Over Fat Man had a good story on drafting BPA and how it's rarely done:

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Understand this – every team wants to say they took the BPA on every pick. The media environment is such that instant analysis MUST happen after a Draft, despite the fact that it’s completely worthless. Look at a team like Pittsburgh, which took G David DeCastro and T Mike Adams in the first two rounds. The media says that both picks represented good “value” because each player was mocked by various media members to go higher in the Draft. They say that Pittsburgh went the BPA route, only because no consensus had formed that the Steelers would go for offensive linemen.

I say that Pittsburgh was clearly targeting offensive linemen, as part of their owner’s stated goal of getting better in the running game. Remember, the Steelers fired Bruce Arians because he likes to throw too much, and brought in Handshake Haley (who likes to throw just about as much) to replace him. The point is that a lot of the media stuff is nonsense, and teams work pretty hard to manage what is said about what they did.

Remember how Defensive Tackle wasn’t that big a need for the Broncos? Remember how they wanted to take impact players who would contribute this year? Remember how it was all about BPA all the time? These are things which teams have to say to the media, and which they hope will pave the way to a positive narrative coming out the other end.

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Again - my general position here is that the Broncos drafted luxury spots instead of addressing what I believe are critical voids - safety, MLB, interior OL (or OT, if you want to move Franklin), big back to spell McGaghee, run-stuffing DT. Out of these, the only position addressed on draft day was OL. It's entirely possible that the players available to fill these roles where the Broncos were picking weren't very good, so they passed...or they gambled that player X would be in spot Y, and missed. Specifically, D-Mac and Big Al think that Doug Martin was the primary target that they thought would slip to 36, but Tampa took him when they traded up...they think that the front office effed up on that deal.It's also likely that the Broncos see their deficiencies differently than I do. They obviously like Joe Mays more than I, and are comfortable with Mike Adams @ S and Ty Warren @ DT.

 
Elway: Hillman brings Sproles-like threat to Broncos

By Marc Sessler NFL.com

Writer

The Denver Broncos believe they've acquired a secret weapon in the form of rookie running back Ronnie Hillman.

At first blush, Hillman isn't your typical John Fox back. He doesn't project as a bruiser between the tackles, but his ability to catch the ball -- and his blazing speed -- drew an interesting comparison Tuesday.

"To be able to have a weapon like Ronnie Hillman, he's a lot like a (Darren) Sproles," John Elway told Broncos season-ticket holders. "You can get great matchups ... (a) great change-of-pace back."

After the draft, Elway, the team's vice president of football operations, called the 5-foot-9 Hillman "electric," saying: "He's got a chance to make that big play."

When Denver traded up in the third round of the draft to grab Hillman out of San Diego State, it had everything to do with Peyton Manning. There was nobody on the roster with Hillman's ability to catch the ball out of the backfield, but he'll need to prove he can block for his quarterback.

We'll pump the brakes on comparing him to Sproles -- who was outrageous paired with Drew Brees in New Orleans -- but we expect Hillman to be used heavily in Denver's offense next season. Willis McGahee remains the starter, and Lance Ball has a place here, but Knowshon Moreno could be the odd man out barring a sensational camp.
 
Peyton Manning: Throwing at Broncos OTAs 'felt good'

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

Peyton Manning has thrown plenty this offseason, including in Denver to his new Broncos teammates. But Monday's OTA session was different: The media was invited. A record 58 credentialed members showed up.

By all accounts, Manning threw the ball with his trademark zip and accuracy.

"It felt good to be out there. I haven't really been out there like this for a year and a half. It's a day I've been waiting on for a long time," Manning said.

Manning noted that he enjoyed throwing against three "great cover corners" instead of air. (One of those corners -- Tracy Porter -- had his most famous moment picking off Manning.)

We can't take away too much from Manning's first non-contact practice, but how far he's come is remarkable, considering his career appeared to be in jeopardy not so long ago.

Manning was clearly in a good mood Monday. He was asked by one reporter what it was like to look up to rookie quarterback Brock Osweiler, who measures 6-foot-7.

Manning's response: "It's something you've dealt with your whole life."

And then Manning patted the reporter on the head. Awesome.
 
Broncos QB Peyton Manning has 1st official practice; coach calls progress 'outstanding'

By Ryan Wilson | NFL Blogger

The Peyton Manning era began in earnest for the Broncos Monday. It was Day 1 of OTAs in a post-Tim Tebow world, and if first appearances are any indication of things to come, Denver will again be in the AFC West title mix next season. Manning, who missed 2011 while recovering from multiple neck surgeries, was released by the Colts in March, and promptly courted by a handful of quarterback-needy teams before choosing the Broncos.

The decision pushed Tebow out of town (and across the country) as the organization seemed to embrace the more traditional notion of what an NFL quarterback should be. In addition to Manning, the Broncos drafted near-term backup and eventual replacement Brock Osweiler in the second round of last month's draft. For now, though, this is about Manning, who appears to be returning to the form that made him one of the league's two best quarterbacks for most of this century.

"It felt good to be out there," he said after Monday's practice, according to Adrian Dater of the Denver Post. "I haven't really been out there like this for a year and a half. It's a day I've been waiting on for a long time. I've always believed you develop your timing for the passing game in the offseason. You can't just show up in September and expect to be on the same page. Offseason workouts, it's a great time to make an impression on the coaches. Coaches are always evaluating, so there are a lot of benefits from this work."

Manning admits that the Broncos' offense is a departure from what he was used to during his 14-year career with the Colts (which, it turns out, was about as simple -- and effective -- an NFL offense as you'll ever see). "Uh, yeah. There's no question it's different. You've got different terminology and different players. The more repetitions you get, the better. I do feel that on-the-field reps are the best reps. You can do your classroom work, which is important, and you have to study and take your notes, but there's nothing quite like going out on the field and executing the play, going against fast, defensive players."

Coach John Fox seems unconcerned. "[Manning's] getting better every day. His progress has been outstanding. We're excited where he is. I think he's pretty good right now, and we think he'll get better. He definitely raises all boats, that's for sure. That's not just with the young players, but with the veterans."

It's certainly a different conversation than the one Fox was having last offseason when he referred to Tebow as "a work in progress" and was trying to convince himself that Kyle Orton was his starter. (Incidentally, that lasted five weeks into the season.)

Earlier this offseason, wide receiver Demaryius Thomas said that Tebow's accuracy left something to be desired and that he was "happy we got Peyton." On Monday, veteran cornerback Champ Bailey agreed.

“One thing about (this group of wide receivers), if they get open a little bit, they're open a lot to [quarterback Peyton Manning]," he said. "That's one thing that's a big difference this year.”

Expect to hear some variation of this storyline for the rest of the summer and into the 2012 season.
 
Knowshon Moreno fighting for spot with Broncos

By Marc Sessler

Writer

Knowshon Moreno is working his way back from the torn anterior cruciate ligament he suffered in 2011, but where he'll play in 2012 is in question.

The Broncos running back is "fighting for a roster spot," according to Lindsay Jones of The Denver Post. Appearing Friday on ESPN, Jones reported that Moreno was a participant at the team's organized team activities and struggling to stand out in a crowded backfield.

We've mentioned this offseason that Moreno could be the odd man out in Denver. Willis McGahee remains the starter and Lance Ball was productive last season. Moreno’s role could be reduced to passing situations, but John Elway was thrilled about the addition of rookie Ronnie Hillman. The former San Diego State back is valued for his pass-catching ability and his blazing speed.

Meanwhile, backs rebounding from an ACL tear tend to decline. It doesn't help that Moreno was nabbed for a DUI in February.

It's not what the team was hoping for when Moreno was taken with the 12th overall pick in the 2009. Following a promising rookie campaign (947 rushing yards, nine total touchdowns), Moreno has missed 12 games in two seasons. We wouldn't be surprised if he's played his last down in Denver.
 
Huddle Up: Sorry, Willis McGahee, Peyton’s presence won’t help run game

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The near-unanimous stance around the NFL is that the Denver Broncos made themselves a much better football team by adding Peyton Manning, assuming he’s healthy for the season. What no one had brought up was the idea that Manning’s arrival could improve Denver’s run game.

At least, until Willis McGahee told The Denver Post’s Mark Kiszla exactly that:

“My goal is to do better than I did last year,” McGahee told me. “And that means I’ve got to get past 1,200 yards.”

C’mon, man. You can’t be serious.

“With Peyton coming to Denver, I don’t have to worry about nine defenders in the box,” McGahee said.

A fair point, that one — Manning’s arm and the Broncos’ resulting shift away from a read-option-based offense will spread defenses and should give McGahee more room up the gut. Kiszla backs McGahee’s claim that he’ll surpass his 1,199 yards from 2011 by pointing out that Edgerrin James topped 1,200 yards rushing five times from 1999-2005 with Manning as his QB in Indianapolis.That’s a reason for McGahee to hope that he and the Broncos will continue to thrive on the ground.

This is not: There is no chance that Denver matches its 546 rushing attempts from last season, a number that tied Houston for most in the league. The Broncos kept it on the ground for 51 percent of their plays on the season, and for a whopping 62 percent of their snaps following Tim Tebow’s ascension to the starting QB job (h/t: Rotoworld).

In those five seasons that James topped 1,200 yards as a Colt, he needed an average of 350 (!) carries to do so. At 30 years old, McGahee’s not capable of carrying that type of load anymore, and the Broncos wouldn’t ask him to with Knowshon Moreno and 2012 third-round pick Ronnie Hillman in the backfield.

A more realistic goal for McGahee and the Broncos would be aiming for what Joseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes did paired behind Manning in 2006. The duo combined for 1,762 yards rushing that season (1,081 for Addai, 641 for Rhodes) … or about 900 less than what Denver racked up in 2012 (2,632).

In Manning’s last three active seasons as Indianapolis’ QB, the Colts finished 29th, 32nd and 31st in yards rushing.

So while it’s admirable for McGahee to set a 1,200-yard goal for himself, it’s a pipe dream if he thinks the Broncos are somehow going to crank up their run game this season.

We won’t see Denver’s version of the Peyton Manning offense in action until the preseason — and probably won’t see the full version until Week 1 — but in Indianapolis, the run game was used to set up the pass. From 2007-09, Addai never had a run of more than 23 yards.

Basically, that’s the exact opposite setup of what the Tebow-led Broncos employed, when they stashed a few deep balls in their back pocket in an effort to keep defenses honest.

Where McGahee and Moreno may get a statistical boost is as receivers. They combined for just 23 catches last season; Addai averaged 35.2 receptions by himself in his five years with Manning, while James hauled in 51 passes a season during his Indianapolis days, adding to his superhuman workload.

Assuming Denver’s tweaked offense resembles Manning’s old Colts attack, McGahee and his running back partners will get their touches. But it would be extremely surprising to see them match, let alone exceed, their 2011 output on the ground.
 
Peyton Manning faces defining year with Broncos

By Dan Hanzus

Writer

Around the League will examine one key figure under pressure on each team heading into the 2012 season. Next up: The Denver Broncos.



Under Pressure: Peyton Manning

Will the Broncos get "the old" Peyton Manning or just an old Peyton Manning?

There's plenty riding on the answer to that question. John Elway's reputation as a front-office decision maker, for one. The fate of the 2012 Denver Broncos for another.

The massive scope of the Manning pursuit and acquisition hangs pressure all over Broncos headquarters. Elway put his faith in Manning over the magnetic-yet-inconsistent Tim Tebow. John Fox went from leading an underdog team to coaching a perceived Super Bowl contender. And then there's offensive coordinator Mike McCoy, who was praised for changing Denver's attack on the fly last season and must now form a bond with a legend who's accustomed to complete control.

But make no mistake: It's Manning himself who faces the most pressure here.

He's now 36 years old. He's coming of multiple neck surgeries and hasn't taken a meaningful snap since January 2011. Manning should be given time to re-adjust to this type of stage, but he won't get that. The $96 million contract he signed in March means there's no dipping his toe in the wading pool. Into the deep end he goes, and his ability to swim will determine the fate of his new team.

Can Manning stay healthy and put up the 35-touchdown, 4,000-yard season we came to expect for 13 seasons in Indianapolis? It's a mighty challenge -- and the pressure is enormous -- but don't expect No. 18 to shrink from any of it.
 
Peyton Manning, Eric Decker working on their rapport

By Brian McIntyre NFL.com

Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning and wide receiver Eric Decker spent some additional time on the field Wednesday after experiencing some lapses in communication during practice, Lindsay Jones of The Denver Post reports.

"I think it was evident, particularly offensively, that we were coming off a 4½-day hiatus," Broncos coach John Fox said. "But that's what happens. We gave them a little break, and I think they enjoyed their Memorial Day weekend. We've just got to get back to business."

Reports about particular players or units struggling during organized team activities always should be taken with a heroic dose of salt. There have been just a handful of practices to date, and players -- particularly quarterbacks and receivers -- are still getting to know one another. An example of what players are working on at this point of the offseason can be found in Joel Dreessen discussing how he's thankful to have these workouts so he can get used to Manning's cadence at the line of scrimmage.

"I'm getting more and more comfortable," Dreessen said Wednesday. "It's all very new to me, but that's what OTAs are for. If we had a lockout this year, then I'd be in a lot of trouble. But that's what this stuff is for, and it's helped me a lot."

That said, it's good to see Manning and Decker trying to develop a rapport. Decker had 20 receptions for 270 yards and four touchdowns in the first month of the 2011 season before seeing his production sharply decline after Tim Tebow replaced Kyle Orton and the offense become run-heavy in mid-October. Being where Manning expects to be will help the 6-foot-3, 215-pound Decker hold off Andre Caldwell for the starting job opposite Demaryius Thomas.
 
Peyton Manning's throw count being monitored

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

Based on most of the reports we've read regarding Peyton Manning's OTA performance, you almost wouldn't know that the guy is coming off a career-threatening injury.

The Denver Broncos are taking some precautions, though. The Denver Post noted Thursday that the team is monitoring the number of throws Manning is making in practice leading up to this defining season.

This isn't exactly breaking news for an aging quarterback. The Boston Globe pointed out that Tom Brady threw only one pass in 11-on-11 drills Thursday, while Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett took most of the snaps. (Quarterback controversy!)

Manning isn't likely to give way to Brock Osweiler and Caleb Hanie in Denver that much, but he's been helping out where he can.

"Peyton is the first one to approach them and encourage them on the field," offensive coordinator Mike McCoy said.

McCoy spoke about what an incredible resource Manning can be for the younger quarterbacks. He encourages them to ask Manning questions. It sounds like the coaching staff and Manning have been asking each other a lot of questions, too, as they re-shape the offense.

"As coaches, our job is to do what our players do best," McCoy said. "Now, with Peyton here, we're going to do what he does best."
 
Finding the Fits: Could Hillman challenge McGahee to be Broncos' top back in 2012?

By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com

Over the next several weeks, NFLDraftScout.com will be reviewing some of the more intriguing picks made during the 2012 NFL draft through a series called "Finding the Fits." The goal of the series is to identify one relatively unheralded player per team who appears to be a good schematic fit and therefore more likely to be a surprise contributor early in his pro career.

The addition of Peyton Manning (and subtraction of Tim Tebow) has understandably generated most of the headlines for the Denver Broncos during this offseason. Frankly, the quarterback turnover has unfairly distracted fans from the phenomenal job that the Broncos' running game and defense did a year ago in turning around a 1-4 start to win the AFC West division and beat the defending AFC Champion Pittsburgh Steelers in the wildcard round before succumbing to what would turn into the new AFC champion New England Patriots in the divisional round.

Considering that the Broncos finished the 2010 season dead last in the division at 4-12, that's quite a turnaround in head coach John Fox's first year with the team -- regardless of who was playing quarterback.

The switch from incumbent starter Kyle Orton to Tebow after the poor start certainly played a role in the Broncos' surprising development last season. In reality, however, the Broncos turnaround stemmed from a draft day decision made months earlier when Fox and then-general manager Brian Xanders made the then-controversial decision to draft Texas A&M pass rusher Von Miller with the second overall pick. Everyone knew that Miller was a star in the making, but at 6-3, 245 pounds, he wasn't universally regarded as a great fit in Fox's preferred 4-3 alignment. Needless to say, however, after registering 64 tackles, 11.5 sacks and forcing two fumbles on his way to making the Pro Bowl roster and winning the NFL's Defensive Rookie of the Year honors, the immediate impact he made playing opposite another terrifically talented (if undersized) pass rusher in Elvis Dumervil more than justified the Broncos' selection.

Though Denver's willingness to cater their offense around the specific strengths of their quarterback certainly played a role in Manning's decision to sign with the Broncos, don't underestimate the similarities the future Hall of Fame quarterback may have seen in the combination of Miller and Dumervil off the edge as to what he had with the Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis while with the Indianapolis Colts. If Manning is able to lead the Broncos to a strong offense in 2012, the duo could wreak havoc on opposing quarterbacks attempting to match Manning point for point -- just as Freeney and Mathis did.

Just as the Colts discovered this past season with Manning injured, with the team struggling to score points, opponents were able to control the clock and run the football right down the throats of Indianapolis' undersized defense. With each of the Broncos' starting two defensive tackles from a year ago (Brodrick Bunkley, Marcus Thomas) no longer on the roster, Denver knows that to be successful in a division as run-heavy as the AFC West, they needed reinforcements up front.

After trading out of the first round, the Broncos addressed this concern with their first pick, adding Cincinnati defensive tackle Derek Wolfe at No. 52 overall. Wolfe didn't generate nearly as much pre-draft buzz as some of the other defensive tackles in the 2012 draft but, frankly, he should have. The 6-5, 295 pound Wolfe was a three-year starter who steadily improved throughout his career, culminating with a senior season that saw him honored as the Big East's Defensive Player of the Year with 70 tackles, 21.5 tackles for loss and 9.5 sacks. Wolfe isn't as powerful as his size would indicate nor as explosive as a pass rusher as his stats would suggest. He is, however, a versatile, high effort player who could team with free agent addition Justin Bannan to give the Broncos a surprisingly effective interior.

Former Arizona State quarterback Brock Osweiler was an intriguing selection with the Broncos' other second-round selection. Like Manning, Osweiler lacks the mobility to consistently escape pressure but he has the natural arm talent of a first-round prospect. He's quite raw, however, after only starting one season with the Sun Devils but has the skill set worthy of developing behind Manning. Should Manning remain healthy, this could wind up being a very good pick for the Broncos. If Manning isn't able to remain on the field and Osweiler is pushed onto the field early, however, the pick could backfire as Osweiler lacks the anticipation, footwork and overall accuracy necessary to play well immediately.

In terms of contributing immediately, the biggest immediate impact the Broncos could see from a rookie on the offensive side of the ball will come from third round running back Ronnie Hillman.

Like Wolfe, Hillman didn't generate a great deal of pre-draft buzz in the media despite the fact that he dominated his competition. Hillman did not qualify academically out of high school and thus was lightly recruited. He immediately proved he was a step above the talent level in the Mountain West Conference once he did get onto the field, however, by breaking former San Diego State star Marshall Faulk's freshman running record with 1,532 yards in 2010. He followed that up by breaking the conference record with 1,711 yards and scoring 20 touchdowns this past season. And don't think that Hillman just feasted upon MWC opponents. Hillman faced Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 competition over his short career with the Aztecs, as well, rushing for over 100 yards in all three contests and for 200-plus yards and a combined six touchdowns against Missouri and Washington State.

At 5-9, 200 pounds, most assume Hillman will strictly be a change of pace back to complement returning starter Willis McGahee. I think he can be much more than that.

Don't get me wrong, Hillman has the agility and straight-line speed to effectively pair up with the gritty McGahee. He remains a work in progress a receiver and pass blocker, however, which means that his snaps might come more often on first and second down than strictly on third down as some have suggested.

Despite his lack of ideal size, Hillman is surprisingly effective as a between-the-tackles runner and doesn't need the open field to string together the type of moves to generate gaudy yardage totals -- though he's certainly dangerous on the outside, as well. Hillman is much more of a complete back than most are giving him credit for and, at just 20-years old, has fresh legs despite logging a ton of carries over his short collegiate career.

The Broncos are hoping to squeeze another season out of McGahee, who after seeing just an average of 104.5 carries in his last two seasons with the Baltimore Ravens, apparently found the fountain of youth somewhere in the Rockies, being called upon 249 times to carry the ball a year ago. Should McGahee's resurgence continue in 2012, Hillman could prove the effective change of pace back some suggest he could be.

Should McGahee struggle to produce following a season in which he absorbed the most pounding he's taken since 2007, Hillman appears to be in a better position than veterans Lance Ball and Knowshon Moreno to take over. If given that kind of opportunity -- with defenses focusing on stopping Manning rather than the running game -- I believe Hillman could wind up proving one of the real steals of the 2012 draft.

The rest of the Broncos' picks:

2nd Round - No. 52 overall - Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati

2nd Round - No. 57 overall - Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State

3rd Round - No. 67 overall - Ronnie Hillman, RB, San Diego State

4th Round - No. 101 overall - Omar Bolden, CB, Arizona State

4th Round - No. 108 overall - Philip Blake, C, Baylor

5th Round - No. 137 overall - Malik Jackson, DL, Tennessee

6th Round - No. 188 overall - Danny Trevathan, OLB, Kentucky
 
Peyton Manning airs it out at Broncos practice

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

Don't look now, New York Jets media. You have a competitor for OTA overanalysis.

"I've never had to comment on incompletions at practice before. This is new to me," Peyton Manning told the assembled Broncos horde Monday.

Translation: Can you guys back off a little?

The subject of Monday's breakdown was the Broncos' third OTA practice open to the media. In this one, Manning focused on deep throws. He threw a number of long passes Monday with varying degrees of success.

"It's still an ongoing process for me, it still is," Manning said. "I still have work to do in my rehab, and that's the good thing about these OTAs -- you can really see where you are on certain types of plays, and you're learning a lot. I wish we could have more of these OTAs, but the limited practice time we have together, you've got to take advantage of it. It's only going to make us better."

Broncos coach John Fox doesn't sound worried about his new quarterback.

"Physically, (Manning) looks the same to me as he’s always looked," Fox said. "I think our passing game is way further along now than it was at this time a year ago."

With all due respect to Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow and Brady Quinn, that is faint praise. Manning ultimately won't be compared with last year's Broncos attack.

He'll be compared with the previous editions of Peyton Manning.
 
Brock Osweiler will be given plenty of time to learn

By Marc Sessler

Writer

If everything goes according to plan, we won't see Brock Osweiler take a meaningful snap for years.

The Broncos rookie quarterback is receiving the Aaron Rodgers treatment in Denver. Tucked away from civilization, Osweiler is learning the pro game from two pretty decent teachers.

"I walk down the hallway and there's John Elway, a guy who's hoisted the Lombardi Trophy as a quarterback, and I go in the room and there's Peyton Manning, a guy who's hoisted the Lombardi Trophy as a quarterback," Osweiler told The Denver Post. "They've been league MVPs, they're Hall of Famers. I mean, how good is that? I just soak it all up.

"Soak it up and just try to pick the right time to ask questions and learn all I can from them."

You can probably find 30 stories on this site about Osweiler "learning from a master," and we won't hit you over the head with that hammer again. Osweiler is widely seen as a raw prospect, so it will be intriguing to see if an extensive preparation period means anything.

Cam Newton excelled from the first snap, but we're learning there's only one Cam Newton. When Blaine Gabbert was thrown into moving traffic early last season, we saw a player who could have benefited from more time watching and learning. Would Aaron Rodgers have been the same player if he was pushed onto the field from Day 1? We'll never know.

If Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady gives way to the new-age grudge match of Brock Osweiler vs. Ryan Mallett, it's another case for time and preparation with young passers -- something that's increasingly rare in today's NFL.
 
D.J. Williams tweets out Broncos' playbook

By Marc Sessler

Writer

Not exactly a banner offseason for Denver Broncos linebacker D.J. Williams.

Facing a six-game suspension for failing a performance-enhancing drug test, Williams must now answer to Jack Del Rio & Co. for tweeting out a photo of the team's defensive playbook on his iPad, according to TheBigLead.com.

After telling his 10,000 Twitter followers he's learning a "new position," Williams gave the general public a chance to learn along with him.

Thanks to this savvy veteran, any lingering mystery attached to Denver's "Pro Near I" front has been shattered completely. That particular play is clearly visible on the typically top-secret blueprint Williams made available to thousands. Same goes for "Z Motion to Far I" and "U3 to Trips Slot." The cat -- totally out of the bag.

(While we're at it: The pencil, the shiny red sharpener, the notecards -- really?)

Williams, the team's first-round pick in 2004, dropped a follow-up tweet with a message to readers: "Dear fans: My post about learning a new position and the fact that our playbooks are now iPad was all for you. I realize fans like to know what's going on with their teams and fav player."

The same goes for the Raiders.
 
Peyton Manning living in Redskins' Shanahan's home

By Brian McIntyre NFL.com

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Published: June 8, 2012 at 05:35 p.m.

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Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning has a reputation of being a coach on the field, so it only makes sense that he's living like one off it.

While Manning seeks a permanent residence in his new NFL city, The Associated Press reports Manning is temporarily shacking up at the 35,000-square foot mansion in Cherry Hills Village, Colorado that is owned by former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan, who is now the head coach of the Washington Redskins. The home reportedly boasts of a 3,603-square foot garage, a bowling alley and an elevator between the basement and main floor.

Shanahan coached in Denver for 14 seasons, with owner Pat Bowlen referring to him as the "coach for life" before firing him following the 2008 season. At the time of his firing, construction had already begun on the mansion, which sits on 3.5 acres of land purchased from Janet Elway, the former wife of Hall of Fame Broncos quarterback and current team president John Elway.

Manning and Shanahan reportedly met at the mansion on the day after the Redskins traded several draft choices to the St. Louis Rams in order to move up in the 2012 NFL Draft to select quarterback Robert Griffin III.
 
How does Manning look? Depends who you ask

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

Peyton Manning has already chided reporters about the dangers of drawing conclusions from OTA and minicamp practices. That's not going to stop folks from trying to evaluate him.

USA Today wrote on Tuesday that it was "clear" Manning's velocity wasn't all the way back. Even Manning admitted that he has a lot of work left to do in his rehab process.

How Manning looks at this stage, however, depends on who you ask.

Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com came away from Broncos minicamp impressed.

"There is very little difference between the version that won four MVPs and a Super Bowl with the Indianapolis Colts and the one who was running the Broncos offense Tuesday. . . Manning can still make all the throws, can still read the field and can still command the huddle," Prisco wrote.

This is becoming a popular sentiment from those who know Manning best.

"He's the same to me as he was six years ago," wide receiver Brandon Stokley said.

"He looks great," former Colts offensive coordinator Tom Moore told The Denver Post after watching Broncos practice Wednesday. "He looks like what I saw every day. He looks great, just great. There's nobody like him."

Perhaps Manning isn't the same player he was younger in his career, but he has successfully answered many of the injury questions he faced this offseason. He has raised expectations.

The last big step might not truly happen until Week 1: Manning must show he can still withstand taking a big hit.
 
Manning shines Wednesday

June 13, 2012 5:27 p.m. - by Andrew Mason

QB Peyton Manning had arguably his best practice in recent weeks, completing an array of short to medium passes. His deep passes looked strong, but a potential downfield strike to WR Eric Decker bounced off the receiver's hands after he'd beaten CB Champ Bailey. "You see Peyton throwing the deep ball; you see Peyton throwing the quick ball. I don't think his health is in question anymore," said CB Tracy Porter.
 
Entering 14th season, Broncos' Bailey as good -- and fast -- as he ever was

By Pete Prisco | Senior NFL Columnist

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Most of the focus relating to the Denver Broncos might be on the future Hall of Famer on the offensive side -- you know, that quarterback named Manning -- but don't forget about the Canton Corner on the other side of the ball.

Champ Bailey will turn 34 next week, but he's a true freak of nature, a cover corner who still lines up week in and week out and plays man coverage on the other team's best receiver.

That's tough to do for a young corner. Imagine one in his 14th season?

Yet Bailey remains one of the NFL's best corners, his ability to run stride-for-stride with top receivers making him one of the all-time best at his position.

When Deion Sanders passed the corner greatness baton to Bailey, he ran with it. But he's not ready to give it up just yet to the next group. There's still too much football left to play, too many passes left to knock down.

"I am still as good as I was when I was 22 or 23," Bailey said during a break between practices here during the team's minicamp. "I can't run as fast as I did then or jump as high. But I am smarter. I know how to take care of my body better. I know how to anticipate things a little better. I understand football a lot better, which keeps me on top of my game."

Bailey knows that age is becoming a factor. His body says so every week, more and more every year.

"I can tell I played for a while," Bailey said. "I don't bounce around like I used to when I was younger. I knew it would happen someday where I would start feeling older, but I can still play."

With veteran safety Brian Dawkins retiring and corner Andre Goodman released, Bailey is now the elder statesman in the Broncos secondary. The next oldest players are safety Mike Adams and backup corner Drayton Florence, both 31. After that, it's a group of players 25 and younger.

That's why Bailey decided to shave off his 2011 beard, something that made him look more like a bum on the corner than a Pro Bowl one.

"I had to do it to fit in," Bailey said of the shaving. "These guys are young. I had to do it to fit in."

Bailey admitted to me that the beard, which gained a lot of attention late last season, made him look older. He has a cleaner looking beard now, but says he has no plans to grow out that longer one again this season.

"We have young guys in the secondary," nickel corner Chris Harris said. "He told us he did it to be more like us."

At 22, Harris grew up pretending he was Bailey when he played corner in Pop Warner.

"We acted like we were Champ," Harris said. "We all wanted to be him."

Corner Tracy Porter was signed as a free agent to team with Bailey on the corner. I asked him if he's amazed at the way Bailey plays the position at his age.

"Not at all," Porter said. "He's been doing it for the last 13 years. He's still able to cover. I'm in awe of playing with him. He's Champ Bailey. He definitely a guy I'm over here learning from."

Bailey has been to seven Pro Bowls in his eight seasons with the Broncos and to 11 in his career, the most for any corner and one away from tying the record for Pro Bowl appearances held by Will Shields and Randall McDaniel. Unlike Deion Sanders, who is arguably the game's best cover player ever, Bailey is also a good tackler.

Watching him on tape is a corner clinic in coverage, a player who owns his island, even if his doesn't have a trendy name.

"Line me up with anybody in the league and I can run foot-to-foot with them," Bailey said.

He said he ran 4.3 for most of his career. Can he do it now?

"Not right now," he said after practice. "I'm tired. But if somebody told me I had to run a 40 in two weeks, I'd run a 4.3."

The move toward more passing and rules that make it tougher to cover has given legs to the idea that the shutdown cover corner no longer exists. I challenge anybody to pop in a Broncos tape and defend that idea.

Bailey's ability to take away the other team's top receiver allows Denver to do a lot of other things opposite him in terms of mixing up the coverage and rolling it to that side. That's huge in the way the wide-open game is played now.

"The shutdown corners are still there," Bailey said. "Don't get me wrong, it's rougher than it was when I first came into the league because of the rules. But you can get it done. That's only the elite. There are only two or three in the league who might be able to do it."

Denver has one of them. Bailey doesn't know how long he will continue, but said he still enjoys the game. He will take it year by year. But he knows that there were few corners who could line up and play man coverage at the age of 34, with Darrell Green being one of the few.

"It's very rare," Bailey said. "I started out doing it and I'm going to keep doing it until they tell me I can't."

Which, judging by the way he played in 2011, won't be anytime soon.
 
Peyton quickly working off the rust as Broncos kick off their minicamp

By Pete Prisco | Senior NFL Columnist

June 12, 2012 8:47 PM ET

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- It is a question the football world wants to have answered: Is Peyton Manning the same Peyton Manning?

The answer is no.

But before going nutty about that answer, ask yourself this: How can he be? Age, a year layoff, and working his way back from neck-fusion surgery that included nerve regeneration all make it impossible for him to be the same guy he was 10 or even five years ago.

So as I settled in Tuesday to watch Manning's first minicamp practice with the Denver Broncos, the first time seeing him live in any helmet without a horseshoe on it, I had to keep reminding myself that the prime of arguably the league's greatest quarterback has come and gone.

Understanding that, I will say that there is very little difference between the version that won four MVPs and a Super Bowl with the Indianapolis Colts and the one who was running the Broncos offense Tuesday.

The casual eye wouldn't notice the differences, maybe a tweak here and tweak there in the pocket, but Manning can still make all the throws, can still read the field and can still command the huddle.

He fired a 35-yard shot to Demaryius Thomas for a touchdown Tuesday on a perfectly placed pass. But he also missed a throw that bounced off a receiver's hands into the arms of corner Tracy Porter, the same Porter who took back one of his picks for a touchdown to clinch the Saints victory over Manning's Colts in Super Bowl XLIV.

"I still have work to do," Manning said. "A lot of time people ask me how I am doing. I say I am working hard and people think in two weeks you ought to be 100 percent. Progress for me is that some days there are no setbacks. It's still good, but it's not like the next week it's going to be drastically better than the week before. "

Manning isn't 100 percent, but at 36 the issue might not be the arm as much as it might be his battle with Father Time as he recovers from nerve damage that limited his arm strength. And that's the tough part for any older player coming off an injury, trying to figure it all out.

We all expect him to be the same Peyton Manning, mostly because watching him play was such a treat for all those years, his ability to carve up a defense with his quick football mind and accurate passing causing many sleepless nights for the league's defensive coordinators.

But even though he isn't making guarantees that he will be that guy, he's hopeful, that's for sure. Yet when I talked to him for a half hour after the Broncos morning workout here, I sensed that he's anxious for more.

"I want it like yesterday," Manning said of his return to form.

That's because he's a perfectionist, a player who pushes himself to the limits as well as his teammates. They're already raving about the time he spends in the building in Denver, much like they did in Indianapolis.

His attention to detail was on display during the practice I watched. At one point, he coached up fullback Austin Sylvester about the depth of his route on a check-down drill. After practice, Manning spent some extra time working on a route with receiver Eric Decker, throwing shots to him in the end zone.

"He wants to make sure everything we do is perfect," Decker said. "He makes sure all the details are right. It comes down to expectations. I think how we run routes, with him, there's no gray area. You be in the right spot. You run the route the way he wants it. And again, no gray area so he definitely tests you every day you come out."

The mental side will be there. The work will too. But the toughest part, as is the case with any rehab, is the physical side of things. That's frustrating for Manning. The entire progress has been that and more.

"I spent a lot of time with the doctors and trainers and took their opinions and followed their advice," he said. "It's been a slow recovery. I'm dealing with a nerve. If they told you to do 10 reps when I was coming back from an injury, I always did 15 to make it better faster. That's not how it works on this deal. I was sort of open-minded about it. I knew I had some nerve issues. It took me a while to accept the fact that I couldn't do extra work and make it better. I had to be patient."

He began to throw some late last year with the Colts, but it was soft throws as he regained strength in the arm. Gradually, he could throw it a little bit harder and longer. That led to his whirlwind courtship after the Colts decided they weren't going to bring him back.

The Dolphins, Cardinals, 49ers -- yes, them too despite what Jim Harbaugh might have said -- Titans and Broncos all pursued him, but in the end he chose Denver, replacing Tim Tebow, who was a fan favorite.

Tebow led the Broncos to the playoffs last year in the gimmicked-up read-option offense. It was not an NFL offense. It did not have staying power and team president John Elway knew it.

That's why Denver went so strong after Manning. Now they have to work the plays he likes into what offensive coordinator Mike McCoy wants to do. So far, Manning is impressed.

"I like what we are doing," Manning said. "I'm trying to learn some of their passing concepts and they're putting in some of the things we used to do."

Broncos receiver Brandon Stokley spent four seasons playing with Manning in Indianapolis. He is one of his friends, and spent time working out with Manning when Manning came to meet with the Broncos.

So Stokley's opinion matters. I asked him what he saw in this Manning.

"He's the same to me as he was six years ago," Stokley said. "He's always been the accurate, anticipation quarterback. That's what he is. He's still very accurate and still anticipates throws so well. I don't see any difference."

The doubters will say his passes don't have the same zip, but that's not how I saw it Tuesday. The arm looked the same. He might have to make some adjustments at times to make a deep ball throw that he might not have had to do in the past, but there's little difference to the casual eye.

"I study more film to watch my mechanics," Manning said. "I want to see if I am compensating for the arm. Am I getting a bad habit or bad mechanics because of the injury? I am comparing the prior film to this film to see."

There has been some who have charted the plays during OTAs and minicamps. That led to coach John Fox joking about it to Manning as he walked by Tuesday.

"They charted you again," Fox said laughing.

"You work on things in practice," Manning said. "I am gathering information on plays. You test things."

I asked Manning if he gave any thought to quitting because of the neck injury and the potential for more problems down the road. He winced.

"I asked those questions to the doctors and there is no concern about that," he said. "I asked every question I could possibly ask. That gets emphasized because it's neck, neck, neck. That wasn't a factor. I just have to get back to where I can perform at a high level. That's what I am shooting for now."

Manning recently put on the Broncos uniform for the first time for a DirecTV photo shoot with his brother, Eli Manning. He also put it on Tuesday for some television shots. Was it weird?

"I didn't take a moment to reflect," Manning said. "I just enjoy being back out on the field. I really haven't been too nostalgic about it. I have so much on my plate. My rehab. New plays. New receivers. We could have 45 of these [minicamp practices] and I would take them. There is so much to do."

That's the way it is when you're trying to be Peyton Manning again.
 
Has anyone heard about a Fanfest being scheduled yet? I know they have had free ones like last year and then ones where you pay for tickets.

 
Thomas hopes to pay big dividends

By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

Demaryius Thomas just doesn’t want to blow it.

He knows he has been granted the biggest gift of his football life. He must cash in on playing with Peyton Manning.

“That’s all I think about; just making sure I take advantage of this,” the immensely talented third-year Denver Broncos receiver said after a recent minicamp practice.

Thomas acknowledges that when he heard Manning had chosen to play for the Denver Broncos on March 19, he felt immense pleasure -- and pressure. Thomas knows this is his time to shine as a professional receiver. The option days of Tim Tebow have moved east.

Thomas -- whose 80-yard touchdown catch to beat Pittsburgh in a wild-card game is one of the most memorable plays in franchise history -- is relieved to be playing in a traditional NFL offense. Playing with Manning is even more thrilling. Yet, he says it isn’t always fun because of the pressure he puts on himself.

“Every time I make a mistake, I get mad at myself because I know Peyton is counting on me,” Thomas said. “I have to be good. Peyton picked the Broncos, and I have to make him know he made the right choice.”

Thomas shouldn’t be so hard on himself. The allure of playing with Thomas is one of the reasons Manning chose Denver. Manning has often referred to Thomas as having special talent and said he expected Thomas to have a big impact.

“He’s had a productive OTA session and minicamp,” Manning said of Thomas earlier this month. “I think he’s running his routes with a lot of confidence and making a lot of tough catches.”

Thomas was the No. 22 overall pick out of Georgia Tech in the 2010 draft. He showed flashes in his first two seasons, but the biggest question has been his durability. He missed an early chunk of the 2011 season because of a torn Achilles he suffered while training on his own, and then he suffered a finger injury while rehabilitating from that injury. Still, Thomas finished with 32 catches last season and he averaged 17.2 yards per catch.

The Denver coaching staff believes Thomas is primed for a big season in 2012 along with fellow third-year player and fellow starter Eric Decker.

Manning has a strong history of bringing along young receivers and expediting their learning curves. Thomas will be given the chance to fast-track his career.

Thomas does offer Manning a variation he has never worked with -- he’s a huge receiver. At 6-foot-3, 236 pounds, Thomas offers mismatch possibilities that the masterful Manning should be able to exploit.

“Peyton tells me all the time he’s never worked with someone like me,” Thomas said. “I’ve watched a lot of film from his Colts' days to get some pointers. There really weren’t any of his receivers who were like me. ... I know Peyton is looking forward to it.”

No one in the Denver organization is more equipped to talk about Manning and receivers than Brandon Stokley. He was one of Manning’s favorite targets in Indianapolis from 2003 to 2006. He thinks Thomas’ size will bring a great dimension to the offense, and he thinks Manning’s influence can make Thomas an elite receiver.

“Peyton’s really never had a receiver like Demaryius, and I think it’s good,” Stokley said. “You need a good mix of different types of receivers, and Demaryius’ size will only give Peyton more options.

“I think the sky is the limit for Demaryius. He’s big, he’s fast, he’s strong and he runs great routes for a big guy. And now he has Peyton. Really, the sky is the limit.”

Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. is high on Thomas and believes he can be a star very soon. However, Williamson said the challenge for Denver’s coaching staff will be to marry Manning’s precision throws and Thomas’ size. Also, Williamson said Thomas has to quickly adjust from playing in a college offense with Tebow to the intricate system with Manning.

Still, when the adjustments are made, Williamson thinks we will see fireworks.

“Manning and Thomas are two great players, and they certainly should be able to adjust,” Williamson said.

Thomas is determined to adjust.

“This is the greatest opportunity for me,” Thomas said. “I will make Peyton happy he’s playing with me.”
 
Demaryius Thomas will step up for Broncos -- or else

By Marc Sessler

Writer

As we count down the days to training camp, Around the League will examine one player from every team set for a breakout campaign in 2012. Up next: the Denver Broncos.

Demaryius Thomas will step up -- or else

Here's the mind-set Demaryius Thomas grapples with as September nears:

"Every time I make a mistake, I get mad at myself because I know Peyton (Manning) is counting on me," Thomas told ESPN.com last week. "I have to be good. Peyton picked the Broncos, and I have to make him know he made the right choice."

Thomas wasn't huddled in a darkened closet when he uttered these words, and he shouldn't be. The Denver Broncos third-year wideout has inspired praise from Manning himself.

"He's had a productive OTA session and minicamp," Manning said. "I think he's running his routes with a lot of confidence and making a lot of tough catches."

Thomas did what he could with his chances last season, but he was targeted about as frequently as Zane Beadles in the Tim Tebow-led read-option offense. It wasn't all bad. When we last checked in with Thomas, he was on the receiving end of Tebow's 80-yard scoring strike in overtime of Denver's wild-card victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers. But that play, and his totals that day -- four catches for 204 yards and the TD -- weren't typical of his Sundays in 2011.

Thomas wasn't heartbroken to see Tebow shipped east in March, but the addition of Manning presents a new dilemma. Along with Eric Decker and Denver's less-than-stunning cast of wideouts, Thomas must live up to Manning's expectations.

We upset some of you by listing Denver among the teams destined to miss the playoffs next season. With Manning, many ask, how can they fail? Thomas better not be the answer to that question.
 
Demaryius Thomas: I have to run whole route tree

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League editor

Demaryius Thomas has played in three very different offenses in the past three years. Two of those seasons -- his final year at Georgia Tech and last year under Denver Broncos coach John Fox -- didn't feature a lot of passing.

Thomas has the physical skill set to be Denver's biggest breakout player this year. But he has to become a more complete player. Peyton Manning requires his receivers to be precise more than anything else.

“You’re gonna have to run the whole route tree now. The comebacks, the slants, the posts, the ins. And I didn’t have to do that much when I was my first couple of years in the league," Thomas said during a recent interview with WQXI-AM in Atlanta, via SportsRadioInterviews.com.

Thomas says he's been in his playbook more as a response to Manning's arrival. These are the intangibles that Manning brings. He's making the players around him step up their game or they'll get left behind.
 
Peyton Manning's arm reportedly close to '90 percent'

By Marc Sessler

Writer

We haven't seen Peyton Manning throw a touchdown pass since January 8, 2011. That's when the New York Jets beat the Indianapolis Colts in an AFC wild-card playoff game, long before a string of neck surgeries led to Manning's year-long hiatus and a major career shift.

The big question for the Denver Broncos is whether they have a fully healthy Peyton Manning or a shadow of the five-time All-Pro.

Mike Klis of The Denver Post watched Manning through four weeks of offseason activities and judged the quarterback's arm strength to be at 85-to-90 percent of what it was before the surgeries. Klis told PFT Live on Tuesday that number was up from 65 percent when Manning started OTAs.

"He really came a long way in that four weeks," Klis said, adding that Manning "threw crossing patterns with zip -- and on the money."

Amid the good cheer, Klis dropped an ominous footnote, saying he remains skeptical Manning will reach 100 percent this season, or ever again.

That's not what the Broncos want to hear, but we doubt they're losing sleep over the early summer estimations from an outside observer. We'll find out soon enough what they have at quarterback.
 
Jacob Tamme a steal Peyton Manning's Broncos

By Brian McIntyre

Around the League writer

"Around the League" is taking a look at each team's salary-cap situation heading into training camp. Next up: The Denver Broncos.

Adjusted Cap Number: $147.236 million

Cap Room Remaining: $11.719 million

Best Bargain: Jacob Tamme. The last time Tamme caught passes from Peyton Manning was when both were with the 2010 Indianapolis Colts. After not having a pass thrown his way during the first six weeks of the season, Tamme stepped up for an injured Dallas Clark and finished the season with 67 receptions for 631 yards with four touchdowns. Tamme tied with Jacksonville's Marcedes Lewis for 10th in Football Outsiders' DYAR metric (DYAR gives the value of the performance on plays where the player caught the ball, compared to a replacement-level player in the same game situations and then translated into yardage.)

Tamme's production predictably plummeted when the law firm of Collins, Painter & Orlovsky took control of the Colts' quarterback position, leading to a three-year, $8 million contract to reunite with Manning-led Broncos. Just $2.5 million of that contract is due this season, which ranks 25th in cash compensation among NFL tight ends and is $200,000 less than what Clark is scheduled to earn from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Potential Camp Casualty: Ty Warren and Kevin Vickerson both agreed to restructured contracts this offseason. With ample cap room, no player appears to have a salary or cap number that would put his roster spot in jeopardy.

Contract Issue Looming In 2013: The biggest issue next offseason will be a March physical on Manning, which could fully guarantee an additional $40 million of his five-year, $96 million contract. No. 2 on the list is left tackle Ryan Clady, an All-Pro or Pro Bowl player his first two seasons in the NFL (2008, 2009) who suffered a knee injury in 2010. Despite leading the NFL in holding penalties, Clady returned to the Pro Bowl in 2011 and could head back now that he's blocking for a quarterback (Manning) who won't be running around to extend the play the way Tim Tebow did last season.
 
Broncos' Jacob Tamme, Joel Dreessen must produce

By Brian McIntyre

Around the League writer

After signing Joel Dreessen and Jacob Tamme to three-year contracts worth between $8 million and $8.5 million, the Denver Broncos are hoping their tight ends can produce at a level that approaches what Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez have done for the New England Patriots, Jeff Legwold of The Denver Post wrote Sunday.

The lack of production from Broncos tight ends last season was due to now-departed quarterbacks (Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow) targeting the position just 54 times overall and, as Legwold notes, only nine times in the final five games. That will not be the case in 2012, as the Broncos' two new tight ends have a history of productivity, including one who had a banner season the last time Peyton Manning graced the gridiron.

Tamme received a $3.5 million guarantee on an $8 million contract this offseason after coming off a down season when he played alongside quarterbacks Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky for the 2011 Indianapolis Colts. It was only one season earlier when Tamme replaced an injured Dallas Clark in the Colts' starting lineup for the season's final 10 games and caught 67 passes (on 93 targets) for 631 yards with four touchdowns. Tamme had six or more receptions in eight of those 10 regular season games in 2010. With tight ends about to become key players in the Broncos offense, Tamme could be in line for an 80 catch season.

Dreessen, 29, received the slightly larger contract ($8.5 million, $5.5 million guaranteed) after setting a career-high with six touchdowns for the 2011 Houston Texans. Dreessen also ranked in the top 10 among tight ends in both of Football Outsiders' advanced receiving metrics. As was the case with the Texans, for whom Dreessen played behind Owen Daniels, he likely will be the No. 2 behind Tamme, but he could be a factor in the red zone.
 
Training camp update from the official team blog:

And here we go. The Broncos’ 2012 training camp kicked off Thursday morning to a raucous — and record-setting — crowd at Dove Valley. Officially, 4,372 people gathered around the practice fields to soak in the first session of training camp — a Dove Valley record.

The sky was clear, it was hot — but not too hot, about 80 degrees — and the players were fired up. In other words, the perfect atmosphere to kick off camp.

...

During training camp, there’s no official depth chart, so the first-unit offense and defense might vary from day-to-day. But for day one of camp, here were the first-team groups.

Ryan Clady, Zane Beadles, J.D. Walton, Manny Ramirez and Orlando Franklin made up the offensive line, as Chris Kuper continues his recovery from a Week 17 injury. Manning was quarterback and Willis McGahee joined him at running back in the backfield. Occasionally the team went with two receivers — Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas — and two tight ends — Jacob Tamme and Joel Dreessen. When there was a third receiver in, it was Andre Caldwell. When there was a fullback, it was Gronkowski.

On defense, Elvis Dumervil, Ty Warren, Mitch Unrein and Robert Ayers were the linemen. Wesley Woodyard, Joe Mays and Von Miller manned the linebacker positions. Champ Bailey, Tracy Porter, Mike Adams and Rahim Moore rounded out the unit in the secondary.

PLAYMAKERS

During one-on-ones between wide receivers and defensive backs, Caldwell drew the first big cheers from the fans. The receiver beat cornerback Tony Carter deep to the end zone, hauling in a long touchdown pass much to the crowd’s delight. It was just the first of several big plays for Caldwell, as he hauled in a deep pass from Manning on the sideline later during team drills.

Later in practice, Carter had a big play of his own, reeling in an over-the-shoulder interception in the end zone.

Shortly after Caldwell’s catch, Greg Orton sprinted deep as well, making a diving, fingertip catch for a touchdown on a pass from Manning.

The third big play from that one-on-one drill came when Thomas caught a mid-range pass before turning the corner and sprinting past Porter to the end zone. Both men patted each other’s helmet after the play.

During 7-on-7s, quarterback Brock Osweiler connected on a pretty pass down the sideline to wide receiver Jason Hill, who hauled it in past a leaping Quinton Carter and made his way into the end zone.

A few other big plays included a Bailey breakup of a Manning pass intended for Decker, followed later a Decker sideline catch in front of Bailey. Defensive tackle Sealver Siliga batted down a pass at the line during the final portion of team drills.

QUICK HITS

Decker, Porter, Syd’Quan Thompson and Drayton Florence took turns fielding punts during special teams drills.

During those special teams drills, Knowshon Moreno worked on a separate field with all four quarterbacks. Manning, Caleb Hanie, Brock Osweiler and Adam Weber all worked on first avoiding pressure then placing a pass directly into Moreno’s hands.

Denver’s top pick, Derek Wolfe, saw some second-team reps on defense during Thursday’s opening practice.
 
not really mentioned above but from what I'be read on the O-mane, Manning looks really, really sharp, and Osweiller impresses. Can't believe it's starting already!

 
Peyton Manning runs 'clinic' at Broncos training camp

By Dan Hanzus

Writer

Derek Wolfe wasn't the reason that thousands of people flocked to Denver Broncos training camp Thursday, but the second-round draft pick felt that way for a moment.

"I'm going to tell you guys a funny story," the defensive tackle said, via The Associated Press. "When we came out here today, I was right in front of (Peyton) Manning and I didn't know it. They made a pretty big fuss, and I was like, `Why are they yelling so crazy for me?' Then I looked behind me and it was Manning standing there."

Yes, Manningmania has taken hold in Colorado, a new era for a Broncos franchise that has sudden Super Bowl aspirations. We heard glowing reports all day about how Manning looked, making all those foreboding offseason reports about his health seem ridiculous.

AP reporter Arnie Stapleton wrote that Manning "put on an absolute clinic during a crisp 2½-hour practice." This doesn't sound like a guy at "85 percent."

"I thought it was a good first day," Manning said. "You can tell guys have been working. It's hot out here. We had a real good tempo."

Broncos coach John Fox -- who must have deep bruises from pinching himself after a season of Tim Tebow wobblers into the dirt -- said Manning won't have any throwing restrictions. It's another sign the Broncos are fully confident they will get a close facsimile to the last Manning we saw on an NFL field in 2010.

"He didn't take the last five weeks off by any stretch," Fox said. "We're happy with where he is."

Broncos fans clearly agree.
 
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Cornerback Champ Bailey matched up against wideouts Eric Deckerand Demaryius Thomas for portions of Thursday’s practice and came away impressed with the improvements made by the pair of third-year wideouts.

“[He looks] like a different person,” Bailey said of Decker. “He’s grown so much. He wants to learn. He wants to be the best. I love that about him. The guy is making tremendous strides and I expect him to get better and better every week.”

As for Thomas, Bailey praised his route-running progress.

“(Route-running) was the biggest thing for him because he’s a bigger guy,” Bailey said. “Bigger guys struggle running routes most of the time. He’s on top of it now. He looks like one of the best now because he’s running his routes as crisp as can be and he’s catching the ball.”

Bailey, who usually squares off with the opposing team’s top receiver, knows what skills to look for in a wideout.

So how high is Thomas’ ceiling?

“As high as you want to make it,” he said. “It’s really up to him. He has the talent and the raw skills. It’s just the work. He’s got to put the work in.”
 
Manning shines in Broncos' first padded practice

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -- Peyton Manning's first full practice in pads in 18 months drew rave reviews from his coaches and teammates - and at least one suggestion that his health is no longer even an issue.

Manning put on an aerial show with Broncos wide receiver Eric Decker and others Saturday morning in the latest milestone to his comeback from a nerve injury that cost him all of last season and led to his release from the Indianapolis Colts.

Although Manning threw in full pads during his tryouts at Duke University for the Broncos and other suitors during his first foray into free agency in March and again at times while working out in Denver, this was his first real action in full pads since the Pro Bowl following the 2010 season.

Manning didn't address the media afterward, but coach John Fox said he thought Manning's performance was excellent.

"The guy comes to work every day whether it's in that building or on that field, he attacks it like no other," Fox said.

Although the defenders weren't allowed to hit the Broncos' new $96 million man, Manning seemed to have an extra pep in his step in his first practice at Dove Valley that wasn't in shells or shorts.

"It was great," wide receiver Brandon Stokley said. "It was like the first day of school. Football without pads, it's not football. So, when you put the pads on, you know you're getting close to the season."

Through three days of training camp it's become obvious that Manning's health isn't much of an issue, although it could be some time before he takes his first hit, another big signpost on his comeback from four neck procedures.

"I said this when I was working out with him five months ago - he looks great," Stokley said. "So, for us now, it's kind of a non-issue of how Peyton's feeling, how he's doing. That's kind of so three months ago. Now he's fine. There's nothing wrong with him."

Stokley, who played with Manning in Indianapolis from 2003-06, said his old friend looks as good today as he did back then.

"He looks like he's just gotten better and better," Stokley said. "He looks normal."

"He looked good when we first got him, to be honest with you," offensive coordinator Mike McCoy concurred. "I knew some things he had told us before he got here, what he thought of where he was, and he's gotten better every day. He's worked extremely hard to get to the point he's at right now."

The next mile marker in Manning's return will be when he takes his first big hit. Just when that will come is a mystery.

Manning threw precious few passes in the preseason in Indianapolis, and the Broncos haven't revealed how much he'll play in their exhibitions. They open at Chicago on Aug. 9 but Manning, whose quick release and cerebral play doesn't lead to very many hits on the quarterback anyway, might not take his first blast from a defender until the season opener against Pittsburgh on Sept. 9, or even later.

"I have no concern over that," Manning told ESPN's Tom Jackson. "I'm not begging James Harrison to blindside me by any means, but I feel I'm going to be able to handle that."

Manning missed all of last season with a nerve injury in his neck that weakened his throwing arm. He has said he'll continue his rehab work throughout the season but has quit "giving percentages" about his health.

Beginning with offseason workouts, Manning has looked sharper and he's been even sharper during the opening days of training camp. Going against a live defense Saturday, he looked even better.

One of his best plays came when Decker found the slightest separation from perennial Pro Bowler Champ Bailey and Manning fit the pass right into the tight window, drawing the biggest ovation from the crowd of 4,443, which broke the two-day-old record for the biggest non-stadium training camp practice in team history.

Manning and Decker hooked up plenty of other times.

"As of right now, we don't like those guys. I'm not on board with their show or whatever that is," deadpanned defensive end Elvis Dumervil. "But those guys are good, give them credit. They're going to make us better, so we've got to compete, and that will be good for us."

Despite watching Manning pick apart his defense, new coordinator Jack Del Rio said it was nice to see his players in pads.

"I was one of the players that benefited from being in pads throughout my career. A lot of times I was beaten out in the spring and I'd take my job back in the fall when we put the pads on," Del Rio said. "So, you can't really settle too much until you get the pads on. This sport is played in pads."

NOTES: RT Orlando Franklin missed the last 20 minutes of the morning practice with what Fox said was a crick in his neck. ... The Broncos signed S Anthony Perkins from the University of Colorado, an indication that starting S Quinton Carter (right hamstring) might be out for a while.
 
hello bronco fans!

me and the boys are coming to denver for the raider game. happy happy joy joy!! last year it was green bay(ouch) the manning signing, made this years choice a no brainer. :banned:

and if anyone has any insight on obtaining game tickets, where to sit, where to pregame etc, we'd greatly appreciate it!

thanks all and we're super excited to come into denver and experience a bronco game. should be fun :unsure:

cornhole anyone? we're staying at the convention center hyatt.

 
Here's my way too early swag at the final 53 man roster, in appropriate pecking order (i.e. starters listed higher):

QB:

[*]Peyton Manning

[*]Brock Osweiller

[*]Caleb Hanie - on the bubble

RB

[*]Willis McGahee

[*]Ronnie Hillman

[*]Lance Ball

[*]Knowshon Moreno - I think Moreno makes it due to his ability in the passing game. He's on the bubble, though.

[*]Austin Sylvester (FB)

WR

[*]Demaryius Thomas

[*]Eric Decker

[*]Bubba Caldwell

[*]Brandon Stokley - on the bubble

[*]Matthew Willis - on the bubble

TE

[*]Jacob Tamme

[*]Joel Dreessen

[*]Virgil Green (suspended, Cornelius Ingram makes the team until Green returns)

[*]Julius Thomas - on the bubble

T

[*]Ryan Clady

[*]Crlando Franklin

[*]Chris Clark

[*]Ryan Harris - on the bubble

G

[*]Chris Kuper

[*]Zane Beadles

[*]Manny Ramirez

C

[*]J.D. Walton

[*]Philip Blake - on the bubble, possible PS

DE

[*]Elvis Dumervil

[*]Robert Ayers

[*]Malik Jackson

[*]Ben Garland - on the bubble

DT

[*]Ty Warren

[*]Derek Wolfe

[*]Mitch Unrein

[*]Justin Bannan - on the bubble

OLB

[*]Von Miller

[*]DJ Williams (suspended, Mike Mohammed to replace) I personally believe DJ is on the bubble due to off the field concerns.

[*]Wesley Woodyard

[*]Danny Trevathan

MLB

[*]Joe Mays

[*]Nate Irving

CB

[*]Champ Bailey

[*]Omar Bolden

[*]Tracy Porter

[*]Drayton Florence

[*]Chris Harris

S

[*]Mike Adams

[*]Quinton Carter

[*]Raheem Moore

[*]David Brunton

[*]Duke Ihenacho

ST

[*]Britton Colquitt

[*]Matt Prater

[*]Lonnie Paxon

some other bubble players I have out that could easily find their way in:

[*]Kevin Vickerson - experienced DL, talk of camp is how much bigger he is this year

[*]syd'Quan Thompson - looked really good on ST last year

[*]Jeremy Beal - DL depth

[*]jeremiah Johnson - may beat out Moreno

[*]Chris Gronkowski - better runner/reciever than Sylvester, but not as good of a blocker

[*]Gerell robinson, Greg Orton, Mark Dell - decent WR's, all have outside shot at making team ahead of aging Stokely and Matthew Willis, who I have making the team mostly as a KR.

Overall, I think this team is deeper and more talented than the 2011 team, even outside of the QB position. IMO the only place we got weaker relative to opening day roster is WR (losing lloyd), but I think Demaryius and Decker with another year under their belt really makes up for that.

I'm still concerned about the interior offensive line, MLB, and S positions - basically between the tackles on both sides of the ball. Look for the Broncos to search out upgrades in these areas as rosters get trimmed down.

 

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