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Sounds like game 5
RnR
Footballguy
Congrats you guys. Your team did a great job of completely flipping the series over the last three games.
Question that has been bugging me for the entirety of the series: You have a great home crowd, but why has Beltran been booed out of the building at every plate appearance? He was a deadline rental on a team that collapsed last season, I get that, but the man hit .323 and 7 HR in his 44 games in a Giants uniform. Am I missing something here? Mad that he didn't re-sign? Did the Giants make a legit effort to bring him back? It's not like the Cards broke the bank for him.
Question that has been bugging me for the entirety of the series: You have a great home crowd, but why has Beltran been booed out of the building at every plate appearance? He was a deadline rental on a team that collapsed last season, I get that, but the man hit .323 and 7 HR in his 44 games in a Giants uniform. Am I missing something here? Mad that he didn't re-sign? Did the Giants make a legit effort to bring him back? It's not like the Cards broke the bank for him.
Dickies
Footballguy
IIRC he spent the bulk of his time in SF injured, but played pretty well when he was in the lineup. I think the Giants made an effort to re-sign him, but don't know the details. Frankly, I don't understand booing him, it's probably just a bit of jealousy.
Eephus
Footballguy
I didn't understand the booing. Beltran didn't antagonize anybody during his brief stay or when he left town. He got hurt but he's Carlos Beltran.I told Mrs. Eephus after the Holliday slide that the fans would have someone else to boo. That they did but they kept on Beltran.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
You got to love that the one starting player outside of a pitcher between the 2010 and 2012 World Series teams is Buster Posey.
In 2 years how a team can have that much turnover and repeat is a tribute to the guy. I honestly believe he will achieve the
status of Mays and Bonds (minus steroids) by the end of his career.
In 2 years how a team can have that much turnover and repeat is a tribute to the guy. I honestly believe he will achieve the
status of Mays and Bonds (minus steroids) by the end of his career.
Eephus
Footballguy
I've been critical of Sabean but his reworking of the lineup is pretty impressive.Farm system: Belt, Crawford, Sandoval, H. Sanchez
Trades for prospects: Scutaro, Pence
Trades for Major Leaguers: Pagan, Cabrera
Low cost FAs: Blanco, Arias, Theriot
He's done it without taking on any new long term contract commitments (I'm counting Cain as a holdover) and should have a lot of flexibility going forward when Huff, F. Sanchez, Zito and Lincecum come off the books. I'd love to have Zack Wheeler in the wings but that was a defensible move that just didn't work out.
I believe the ballpark debt service has about six more years to run so the end of that is in sight too.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
Interesting, Do you think Timmy's as good as gone when his contract expires?'Eephus said:
Eephus
Footballguy
I'd personally like to see him have a great 2013 season to get back to the point where he gets a big, long-term deal from some other team.I don't want to see SF paying $40M for two pitchers in their 30s.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Eephus
Footballguy
I'm giving him another one year pass
Eephus
Footballguy
The Giants were a very good club that played great when on the big stage. They out-executed their opponents throughout the playoffs. I don't think there's a single recipe for success in baseball; teams can win with dominant pitching or hitting. The Giants had neither. If you believe in plus numbers, their offense was better than their pitching. Their OPS+ of 107 led the NL but as any McCarver fan could tell you, they finished last in HRs. Their ERA+ was below league average. But the combination of offense, team defense, starting pitching and bullpen made them a tough matchup in a short series.
I don't know how important that "we played for each other" stuff in the grand scheme of things. If you don't have the players, you won't make it to the post-season. But they turned out to be more than the sum of their parts. They proved to be extremely resilient from the opening week of the season when they lost Brian Wilson. They dealt with an unsettled infield, an uncharacteristically shaky Lincecum, a bullpen by committee and the suspension of their second best position player. And there they are, champs again with a lineup that's almost entirely churned from 2010. They got playoff contributions from almost their entire 25 man roster including the unlikely rehabilitation of Barry William Zito. After accounting for a total of 3.8 WAR over his six seasons in SF, he pitched great in two of the biggest wins in the playoff run. He's always been a guy who's hard to boo. Anybody would have taken the same deal if offered. He's suffered stoically in his gilded cage; he's a solid citizen and good teammate by all accounts. I'm still counting the days until his contract expires but he's earned a special place in the hearts of Giants fans.
I don't know how important that "we played for each other" stuff in the grand scheme of things. If you don't have the players, you won't make it to the post-season. But they turned out to be more than the sum of their parts. They proved to be extremely resilient from the opening week of the season when they lost Brian Wilson. They dealt with an unsettled infield, an uncharacteristically shaky Lincecum, a bullpen by committee and the suspension of their second best position player. And there they are, champs again with a lineup that's almost entirely churned from 2010. They got playoff contributions from almost their entire 25 man roster including the unlikely rehabilitation of Barry William Zito. After accounting for a total of 3.8 WAR over his six seasons in SF, he pitched great in two of the biggest wins in the playoff run. He's always been a guy who's hard to boo. Anybody would have taken the same deal if offered. He's suffered stoically in his gilded cage; he's a solid citizen and good teammate by all accounts. I'm still counting the days until his contract expires but he's earned a special place in the hearts of Giants fans.
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah, Sabean is always year to year. This was Bochy's work. Larry Baer is awesome too. Sabean is still Sabean.
drummer
Footballguy
To have Zito go from not being on the 2010 WS roster, to having Timmy go as middle relief, to have Romo wear the beard in place of Wilson, who cried when he signed a 1.7 million contract because it was the most $$ he had ever seen in his life...Vogelsong...There are so many stories about this team that we can talk about. But Bochy is the glue. This team is far removed from the Bonds/Kent rivalry in the dugout, less the steroids too. This 2012 club is one for the Giants ages.
Tough crowd.
oso diablo
Footballguy
Congratulations to the Giants!
Now, speaking as a Rangers fan, is there any chance that you don't re-sign Angel Pagan? Would love to see him replace Josh Hamilton in CF here.
Now, speaking as a Rangers fan, is there any chance that you don't re-sign Angel Pagan? Would love to see him replace Josh Hamilton in CF here.
Eephus
Footballguy
Sabean and the organization have some tough decisions:
Pence: arbitration eligible with one year to go before free agency. He made $10.4M this season. I doubt they'll let him walk.
Pagan: Free agent. 31 years old and coming off a career year. Has been a ~5 WAR player two out of the past three years. I think he's gone if somebody offers him a big, multi-year deal. Gary Brown is probably a year away but is the CF heir apparent.
Scutaro: Free agent. Made $6M this year. Turns 37 tomorrow and there's always the chance his production falls off a cliff. If they can bring him back for two years, that should bridge the gap to Joe Panik.
Melky:
Wilson: arbitration eligible. Made $8.5M. Possibly a non-tender candidate.
Affeldt: 33 year old free agent. Made $5M after the team executed their option. A LHP who can get righties out is a valuable commodity. He'll generate some interest but there's only so much you can pay for a reliever.
They're probably going to be in the $140M payroll range next year given their contract commitments. Zito, Cain and Lincecum will make over $63M alone. There's always a tendency toward sentimentality in the wake of a championship but the team has to avoid bad deals like the Huff extension after the 2010 title.
Pence: arbitration eligible with one year to go before free agency. He made $10.4M this season. I doubt they'll let him walk.
Pagan: Free agent. 31 years old and coming off a career year. Has been a ~5 WAR player two out of the past three years. I think he's gone if somebody offers him a big, multi-year deal. Gary Brown is probably a year away but is the CF heir apparent.
Scutaro: Free agent. Made $6M this year. Turns 37 tomorrow and there's always the chance his production falls off a cliff. If they can bring him back for two years, that should bridge the gap to Joe Panik.
Melky:
Wilson: arbitration eligible. Made $8.5M. Possibly a non-tender candidate.
Affeldt: 33 year old free agent. Made $5M after the team executed their option. A LHP who can get righties out is a valuable commodity. He'll generate some interest but there's only so much you can pay for a reliever.
They're probably going to be in the $140M payroll range next year given their contract commitments. Zito, Cain and Lincecum will make over $63M alone. There's always a tendency toward sentimentality in the wake of a championship but the team has to avoid bad deals like the Huff extension after the 2010 title.
Pence is no doubt coming back. Agree on Pagan. Scutaro seems to be in line for an overpay but that's OK given the lack of other options. Can't see Melky coming back. Would like to see Wilson and Affeldt back on affordable deals. I'd hope that Wilson wouldn't be expensive; not sure how the arbitration process treats guys who missed a year with injury. He seems like the type that might come back to SF for less than he might get somewhere else.Sabean and the organization have some tough decisionsence: arbitration eligible with one year to go before free agency. He made $10.4M this season. I doubt they'll let him walk.Pagan: Free agent. 31 years old and coming off a career year. Has been a ~5 WAR player two out of the past three years. I think he's gone if somebody offers him a big, multi-year deal. Gary Brown is probably a year away but is the CF heir apparent.Scutaro: Free agent. Made $6M this year. Turns 37 tomorrow and there's always the chance his production falls off a cliff. If they can bring him back for two years, that should bridge the gap to Joe Panik. Melky:
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Congrats to the Giants and their fans. I well played season
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Does this mean the Sabean honeymoon is back on?
Congratulations, Giants fans.
Congratulations, Giants fans.
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Eephus
Footballguy
I'm publicly kissing his ### Wednesday at noon on Market & 1st.
oso diablo
Footballguy
people are still fighting that old war? pretty much a mythical war these days.
Eephus
Footballguy
Protestants & Catholics
Eephus
Footballguy
Casilla, Lopez & Mota
14 different guys. That's crazy and impressive.
Eephus
Footballguy
That's baseball in the 21st century. I counted only ten holdovers from the Rangers' 2010 WS club to their 2012 playoff roster:HollandLoweOgandoAndrusKinslerMorelandYoungCruzHamiltonMurphy
True, but they haven't won anything.
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mr fancypants
Footballguy
Eephus
When is Buster due for his big payday and do you think he will reset the pay scale bar?
I'm still amazed Lincecum didn't bankroll more than he did when he first became eligible
for a pay increase. He had 2 Cy Young's at that point.
When is Buster due for his big payday and do you think he will reset the pay scale bar?
I'm still amazed Lincecum didn't bankroll more than he did when he first became eligible
for a pay increase. He had 2 Cy Young's at that point.
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Eephus
Footballguy
Lincecum was a Super Two and started getting paid in his first year of arbitration eligibility 2010. He's signed two separate two-year deals to cover his four arbitration years. The Giants have done a good job in avoiding arbitration hearings with their players.Posey is arbitration eligible for the first time this off-season. The team had tried to delay his Super Two status by delaying his call-up in 2010, which almost cost them the division that year. He's under team control through his age 29 season (2017). Hopefully, the Giants will be able to put together a long-term deal that buys out at least one of his free agent years.
5Rings
Lurker
Sabean and the organization have some tough decisions:
Pence: arbitration eligible with one year to go before free agency. He made $10.4M this season. I doubt they'll let him walk. Invested too much to let them go
Pagan: Free agent. 31 years old and coming off a career year. Has been a ~5 WAR player two out of the past three years. I think he's gone if somebody offers him a big, multi-year deal. Gary Brown is probably a year away but is the CF heir apparent. 2 year contract at $5m per seems right
Scutaro: Free agent. Made $6M this year. Turns 37 tomorrow and there's always the chance his production falls off a cliff. If they can bring him back for two years, that should bridge the gap to Joe Panik. Another 2 year at $5-6m guy
Melky:
Wilson: arbitration eligible. Made $8.5M. Possibly a non-tender candidate. Agreed
Affeldt: 33 year old free agent. Made $5M after the team executed their option. A LHP who can get righties out is a valuable commodity. He'll generate some interest but there's only so much you can pay for a reliever. 2 yr $8m per
They're probably going to be in the $140M payroll range next year given their contract commitments. Zito, Cain and Lincecum will make over $63M alone. There's always a tendency toward sentimentality in the wake of a championship but the team has to avoid bad deals like the Huff extension after the 2010 title.
Eephus
Footballguy
Agree on Pence and ScutaroI think you're way low on Pagan's value. There's a reasonable chance the Giants make him the $13M qualifying offer in order to get the compensation pick. If he accepts, it's a mild overpay which is partially offset by not having a long term commitment (and his hot Puerto Rican wife).Sabean and the organization have some tough decisions:
Pence: arbitration eligible with one year to go before free agency. He made $10.4M this season. I doubt they'll let him walk. Invested too much to let them go
Pagan: Free agent. 31 years old and coming off a career year. Has been a ~5 WAR player two out of the past three years. I think he's gone if somebody offers him a big, multi-year deal. Gary Brown is probably a year away but is the CF heir apparent. 2 year contract at $5m per seems right
Scutaro: Free agent. Made $6M this year. Turns 37 tomorrow and there's always the chance his production falls off a cliff. If they can bring him back for two years, that should bridge the gap to Joe Panik. Another 2 year at $5-6m guy
Melky:
Wilson: arbitration eligible. Made $8.5M. Possibly a non-tender candidate. Agreed
Affeldt: 33 year old free agent. Made $5M after the team executed their option. A LHP who can get righties out is a valuable commodity. He'll generate some interest but there's only so much you can pay for a reliever. 2 yr $8m per
They're probably going to be in the $140M payroll range next year given their contract commitments. Zito, Cain and Lincecum will make over $63M alone. There's always a tendency toward sentimentality in the wake of a championship but the team has to avoid bad deals like the Huff extension after the 2010 title.
Affeldt is at the stage of his career where he's going to want three years. If some other team gives it to him, the Giants should take their chances with Lopez, Mijares and Josh Osich.
Nothing would surprise me with Wilson and Melky
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
They did not make the qualifying offer to Pagan. I would be pretty surprised if he doesn't get something like 4 years/48 million somewhere - Rowand got 5 years/60 million as a comparison. I'm not sure I'd want him back at that rate, but hey, it's not my money.Agree on Pence and ScutaroI think you're way low on Pagan's value. There's a reasonable chance the Giants make him the $13M qualifying offer in order to get the compensation pick. If he accepts, it's a mild overpay which is partially offset by not having a long term commitment (and his hot Puerto Rican wife).Sabean and the organization have some tough decisions:
Pence: arbitration eligible with one year to go before free agency. He made $10.4M this season. I doubt they'll let him walk. Invested too much to let them go
Pagan: Free agent. 31 years old and coming off a career year. Has been a ~5 WAR player two out of the past three years. I think he's gone if somebody offers him a big, multi-year deal. Gary Brown is probably a year away but is the CF heir apparent. 2 year contract at $5m per seems right
Scutaro: Free agent. Made $6M this year. Turns 37 tomorrow and there's always the chance his production falls off a cliff. If they can bring him back for two years, that should bridge the gap to Joe Panik. Another 2 year at $5-6m guy
Melky:
Wilson: arbitration eligible. Made $8.5M. Possibly a non-tender candidate. Agreed
Affeldt: 33 year old free agent. Made $5M after the team executed their option. A LHP who can get righties out is a valuable commodity. He'll generate some interest but there's only so much you can pay for a reliever. 2 yr $8m per
They're probably going to be in the $140M payroll range next year given their contract commitments. Zito, Cain and Lincecum will make over $63M alone. There's always a tendency toward sentimentality in the wake of a championship but the team has to avoid bad deals like the Huff extension after the 2010 title.
Affeldt is at the stage of his career where he's going to want three years. If some other team gives it to him, the Giants should take their chances with Lopez, Mijares and Josh Osich.
Nothing would surprise me with Wilson and Melky
Eephus
Footballguy
I'm no genius but I don't understand the Pagan decision. If the Giants made the qualifying offer, there were two possible outcomes: (A) 1 year of Pagan at near market value or (B) an extra sandwich pick and ~$1.5M in extra draft slot budget. (B) seems like the more likely scenario.They did not make the qualifying offer to Pagan. I would be pretty surprised if he doesn't get something like 4 years/48 million somewhere - Rowand got 5 years/60 million as a comparison. I'm not sure I'd want him back at that rate, but hey, it's not my money.Agree on Pence and ScutaroI think you're way low on Pagan's value. There's a reasonable chance the Giants make him the $13M qualifying offer in order to get the compensation pick. If he accepts, it's a mild overpay which is partially offset by not having a long term commitment (and his hot Puerto Rican wife).Sabean and the organization have some tough decisions:
Pence: arbitration eligible with one year to go before free agency. He made $10.4M this season. I doubt they'll let him walk. Invested too much to let them go
Pagan: Free agent. 31 years old and coming off a career year. Has been a ~5 WAR player two out of the past three years. I think he's gone if somebody offers him a big, multi-year deal. Gary Brown is probably a year away but is the CF heir apparent. 2 year contract at $5m per seems right
Scutaro: Free agent. Made $6M this year. Turns 37 tomorrow and there's always the chance his production falls off a cliff. If they can bring him back for two years, that should bridge the gap to Joe Panik. Another 2 year at $5-6m guy
Melky:
Wilson: arbitration eligible. Made $8.5M. Possibly a non-tender candidate. Agreed
Affeldt: 33 year old free agent. Made $5M after the team executed their option. A LHP who can get righties out is a valuable commodity. He'll generate some interest but there's only so much you can pay for a reliever. 2 yr $8m per
They're probably going to be in the $140M payroll range next year given their contract commitments. Zito, Cain and Lincecum will make over $63M alone. There's always a tendency toward sentimentality in the wake of a championship but the team has to avoid bad deals like the Huff extension after the 2010 title.
Affeldt is at the stage of his career where he's going to want three years. If some other team gives it to him, the Giants should take their chances with Lopez, Mijares and Josh Osich.
Nothing would surprise me with Wilson and Melky
RnR
Footballguy
There the old man goes again. Not even 48 hours removed from the parade and already questioning Sabean.'Eephus said:I'm no genius but I don't understand the Pagan decision. If the Giants made the qualifying offer, there were two possible outcomes: (A) 1 year of Pagan at near market value or (B) an extra sandwich pick and ~$1.5M in extra draft slot budget. (B) seems like the more likely scenario.'commisholio said:They did not make the qualifying offer to Pagan. I would be pretty surprised if he doesn't get something like 4 years/48 million somewhere - Rowand got 5 years/60 million as a comparison. I'm not sure I'd want him back at that rate, but hey, it's not my money.'Eephus said:Agree on Pence and ScutaroI think you're way low on Pagan's value. There's a reasonable chance the Giants make him the $13M qualifying offer in order to get the compensation pick. If he accepts, it's a mild overpay which is partially offset by not having a long term commitment (and his hot Puerto Rican wife).'5Rings said:Sabean and the organization have some tough decisions:
Pence: arbitration eligible with one year to go before free agency. He made $10.4M this season. I doubt they'll let him walk. Invested too much to let them go
Pagan: Free agent. 31 years old and coming off a career year. Has been a ~5 WAR player two out of the past three years. I think he's gone if somebody offers him a big, multi-year deal. Gary Brown is probably a year away but is the CF heir apparent. 2 year contract at $5m per seems right
Scutaro: Free agent. Made $6M this year. Turns 37 tomorrow and there's always the chance his production falls off a cliff. If they can bring him back for two years, that should bridge the gap to Joe Panik. Another 2 year at $5-6m guy
Melky:
Wilson: arbitration eligible. Made $8.5M. Possibly a non-tender candidate. Agreed
Affeldt: 33 year old free agent. Made $5M after the team executed their option. A LHP who can get righties out is a valuable commodity. He'll generate some interest but there's only so much you can pay for a reliever. 2 yr $8m per
They're probably going to be in the $140M payroll range next year given their contract commitments. Zito, Cain and Lincecum will make over $63M alone. There's always a tendency toward sentimentality in the wake of a championship but the team has to avoid bad deals like the Huff extension after the 2010 title.
Affeldt is at the stage of his career where he's going to want three years. If some other team gives it to him, the Giants should take their chances with Lopez, Mijares and Josh Osich.
Nothing would surprise me with Wilson and Melky
Maybe SF wants to try to sign Pagan long term. If Pagan rejects the qualifying offer there's a smaller chance he does sign long term... possibly (hurt feelings and all that)? But I don't know... A one year qualifying offer sounds like a pretty good bridge to Gary Brown in 2014.'Eephus said:I'm no genius but I don't understand the Pagan decision. If the Giants made the qualifying offer, there were two possible outcomes: (A) 1 year of Pagan at near market value or (B) an extra sandwich pick and ~$1.5M in extra draft slot budget. (B) seems like the more likely scenario.'commisholio said:They did not make the qualifying offer to Pagan. I would be pretty surprised if he doesn't get something like 4 years/48 million somewhere - Rowand got 5 years/60 million as a comparison. I'm not sure I'd want him back at that rate, but hey, it's not my money.'Eephus said:Agree on Pence and ScutaroI think you're way low on Pagan's value. There's a reasonable chance the Giants make him the $13M qualifying offer in order to get the compensation pick. If he accepts, it's a mild overpay which is partially offset by not having a long term commitment (and his hot Puerto Rican wife).'5Rings said:Sabean and the organization have some tough decisions:
Pence: arbitration eligible with one year to go before free agency. He made $10.4M this season. I doubt they'll let him walk. Invested too much to let them go
Pagan: Free agent. 31 years old and coming off a career year. Has been a ~5 WAR player two out of the past three years. I think he's gone if somebody offers him a big, multi-year deal. Gary Brown is probably a year away but is the CF heir apparent. 2 year contract at $5m per seems right
Scutaro: Free agent. Made $6M this year. Turns 37 tomorrow and there's always the chance his production falls off a cliff. If they can bring him back for two years, that should bridge the gap to Joe Panik. Another 2 year at $5-6m guy
Melky:
Wilson: arbitration eligible. Made $8.5M. Possibly a non-tender candidate. Agreed
Affeldt: 33 year old free agent. Made $5M after the team executed their option. A LHP who can get righties out is a valuable commodity. He'll generate some interest but there's only so much you can pay for a reliever. 2 yr $8m per
They're probably going to be in the $140M payroll range next year given their contract commitments. Zito, Cain and Lincecum will make over $63M alone. There's always a tendency toward sentimentality in the wake of a championship but the team has to avoid bad deals like the Huff extension after the 2010 title.
Affeldt is at the stage of his career where he's going to want three years. If some other team gives it to him, the Giants should take their chances with Lopez, Mijares and Josh Osich.
Nothing would surprise me with Wilson and Melky
Eephus
Footballguy
You'd think Sabean would keep Pagan around for the free tacosThere the old man goes again. Not even 48 hours removed from the parade and already questioning Sabean.
Seems like we should be concerned about the fact that Gary brown isn't any good.Maybe SF wants to try to sign Pagan long term. If Pagan rejects the qualifying offer there's a smaller chance he does sign long term... possibly (hurt feelings and all that)? But I don't know... A one year qualifying offer sounds like a pretty good bridge to Gary Brown in 2014.'Eephus said:I'm no genius but I don't understand the Pagan decision. If the Giants made the qualifying offer, there were two possible outcomes: (A) 1 year of Pagan at near market value or (B) an extra sandwich pick and ~$1.5M in extra draft slot budget. (B) seems like the more likely scenario.'commisholio said:They did not make the qualifying offer to Pagan. I would be pretty surprised if he doesn't get something like 4 years/48 million somewhere - Rowand got 5 years/60 million as a comparison. I'm not sure I'd want him back at that rate, but hey, it's not my money.'Eephus said:Agree on Pence and ScutaroI think you're way low on Pagan's value. There's a reasonable chance the Giants make him the $13M qualifying offer in order to get the compensation pick. If he accepts, it's a mild overpay which is partially offset by not having a long term commitment (and his hot Puerto Rican wife).'5Rings said:Sabean and the organization have some tough decisions:
Pence: arbitration eligible with one year to go before free agency. He made $10.4M this season. I doubt they'll let him walk. Invested too much to let them go
Pagan: Free agent. 31 years old and coming off a career year. Has been a ~5 WAR player two out of the past three years. I think he's gone if somebody offers him a big, multi-year deal. Gary Brown is probably a year away but is the CF heir apparent. 2 year contract at $5m per seems right
Scutaro: Free agent. Made $6M this year. Turns 37 tomorrow and there's always the chance his production falls off a cliff. If they can bring him back for two years, that should bridge the gap to Joe Panik. Another 2 year at $5-6m guy
Melky:
Wilson: arbitration eligible. Made $8.5M. Possibly a non-tender candidate. Agreed
Affeldt: 33 year old free agent. Made $5M after the team executed their option. A LHP who can get righties out is a valuable commodity. He'll generate some interest but there's only so much you can pay for a reliever. 2 yr $8m per
They're probably going to be in the $140M payroll range next year given their contract commitments. Zito, Cain and Lincecum will make over $63M alone. There's always a tendency toward sentimentality in the wake of a championship but the team has to avoid bad deals like the Huff extension after the 2010 title.
Affeldt is at the stage of his career where he's going to want three years. If some other team gives it to him, the Giants should take their chances with Lopez, Mijares and Josh Osich.
Nothing would surprise me with Wilson and Melky
Eephus
Footballguy
Brown doesn't project as a star but his age 23 season isn't unlike Angel Pagan's. Other than Brown's inexplicably bad base stealing percentages, I don't see any reason (yet) why he can't develop into a similar type of major leaguer.
If he's their best option, so be it, but I don't think "the future Angel Pagan" is worth getting too excited about.
