What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

***OFFICIAL*** 2012 Washington Redskins Season Thread (2 Viewers)

I've been very negative towards Kyle since he's been here but I've got to say the coaching with Griffin is outstanding so far. I loved how they worked him in with a bunch of screens yesterday. Let Griffin get comfortable and then let him go down field a bit. Big :thumbup:

 
'TxBuckeye said:
I think the best part of the game was not one single time did I think to myself "What was Griffin doing? Why'd he do that??" How many times per game would Grossman just do something so mind numingly stupid that you'd just hang your head and wonder why? Not one single time did I see Griffin panic or lose his poise. He was in control of himself the entire game. That, for me, was the number one thign I enjoyed seeing. A REAL NFL QB taking snaps for the 'skins.
Click to expand...
I felt the same way about Griffin. He looked more at ease and aware than half the starting QB's in the league, and all the starting QB's the Redskins have had the last 4 years at least.Added to that, there was only one time I thought "WTF is the coaching staff doing this for?". That was when they obviously reined in the offense for awhile late in the game. Playing against average or bad offenses that may work, but giving the ball back too many times to Brees just seemed like a bad idea. But the Skins offense (and defense) bailed them out enough that it didn't matter. Other than that I thought it was a well-coached game. And everyone here knows I'm quick to complain about the coaching staff when I think they're screwing the team up. Yesterday they really helped the team.One other thing --- where was all this tight DB coverage during the preseason? I was unprepared to see how closely they covered the Saints receivers yesterday. I sure hope that keeps up, along with the D-line pressure.
 
'fatness said:
'TxBuckeye said:
I think the best part of the game was not one single time did I think to myself "What was Griffin doing? Why'd he do that??" How many times per game would Grossman just do something so mind numingly stupid that you'd just hang your head and wonder why? Not one single time did I see Griffin panic or lose his poise. He was in control of himself the entire game. That, for me, was the number one thign I enjoyed seeing. A REAL NFL QB taking snaps for the 'skins.
Click to expand...
I felt the same way about Griffin. He looked more at ease and aware than half the starting QB's in the league, and all the starting QB's the Redskins have had the last 4 years at least.

Added to that, there was only one time I thought "WTF is the coaching staff doing this for?". That was when they obviously reined in the offense for awhile late in the game. Playing against average or bad offenses that may work, but giving the ball back too many times to Brees just seemed like a bad idea. But the Skins offense (and defense) bailed them out enough that it didn't matter. Other than that I thought it was a well-coached game. And everyone here knows I'm quick to complain about the coaching staff when I think they're screwing the team up. Yesterday they really helped the team.

One other thing --- where was all this tight DB coverage during the preseason? I was unprepared to see how closely they covered the Saints receivers yesterday. I sure hope that keeps up, along with the D-line pressure.
Click to expand...
And trying to run out the clock before the half leading to the blocked punt. They didn't try for a first down at all there.
 
It was really nice to see us play some competitive ball out there. It's been a long time that we have imposed our will on both sides of the ball. I had confidence that we could truly stop their offense on any given series, but more importantly for the first time in a loooooooong time...I had confidence that we could truly MOVE the ball down the field on a defense on any given series!

HTTR boyz!

 
I just posted the below in an Alfred Morris thread. I am all in on him.

I think Alfred Morris is a keeper (buy him if you don't have him). Shanahan usually is slow to let rookies play and start. RGIII, Kerrigan, and Trent Williams are the exceptions, where they are expected to start day one due to their talent. Shanahan was slow to give the reins to Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis in Denver, slowly working them into the line up and finally as starters. Shanahan is showing a lot of faith in Morris, starting him and giving him nearly all the carries. Even when there weren't a lot of yards in the first half, he stuck with Morris rather than seeing if Royster or Helu could be a hotter hand. Shanahan has already shown he has a lot of faith in Morris, more than he had in Davis or Portis at this point in their rookie seasons. Barring injury, I expect Morris to start all season.
Click to expand...
 
The Washington Redskins have decided to sign longsnapper Justin Snow, a person with knowledge of the situation said Tuesday. Snow would at least temporarily replace injured Nick Sundberg, who broke his arm Sunday.

Snow spent the previous 12 seasons with the Indianapolis Colts. He was among a group of longsnappers who worked out Tuesday at Redskins Park.
Click to expand...
link
 
Of Griffin’s 10 run plays, eight of them were designed. Only twice did he improvise after busted plays and take off. Griffin and his coaches had all said that they didn’t want him running a lot, but there was nothing conservative about their first-half approach. Griffin ran on roll-outs, draws and option plays. The Saints looked like a defense that didn’t exactly know how attack in the first half. Then, Griffin said in the second half, New Orleans appeared to have made some adjustments, and the Redskins continued to catch them off-guard by dialing up pass plays out of formations the Saints thought they had identified as running plays.
Click to expand...
Good playcalling.
 
Interesting note from Vegas where I happen to be on business... odds on the Skins winning the Super Bowl moved from 150:1 last week to 40:1 this week. I still had to put a 20 on it. HTTR! :football:

 
It's looking like the Rams will be down 2 starting OL, and the unit wasn't that great to begin with. I'm putting the O/U on sacks by the 'Skins D at 5.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Skins vs. Rams

2008: Rams by 2

2009: Skins by 2

2010: Rams by 14

2011: Skins by 7

These have been 2 fairly evenly-matched teams for the past 4 years at least. I think Sunday will be a difficult, close game.

 
John Keim's Studs and Duds (offense)

Studs

Griffin

Morris

Garcon

Robinson

Trent Williams

Montgomery

Sundberg

Darrel Young

Duds

"*When teams score 40 points, the Dud list takes the week off"

There's a lot of good information in the article, as usual.

Notice how the Redskins handled the crowd noise with the snaps? Griffin would lower his right arm to the ground, alerting guard Chris Chester, who then tapped center Will Montgomery. In the first half, Montgomery would snap after about two seconds. In the second half, it was closer to one second. I paid attention to it just to see if New Orleans’ linemen would eventually figure it out as well. But the Redskins changed it up later, as they should have.
Click to expand...
LT Trent Williams. He was solid more than he was great, but you can see things he does that most tackles can’t do, like how he nearly got the safety on the pass to Roy Helu around the 5-yard line. Had Helu cut inside, it’s a touchdown and we’d be talking about what a great job Williams did to run from tackle to outside the numbers and throw a block. He got to the linebackers and sealed the inside on the bubble screens. Liked how, on Griffin’s five-yard run on third and 6 in the first quarter, Williams was able to not only reach Sedrick Ellis, aligned over the guard, but also move him back. There were a couple times when Williams lost his battle and it’s not as if he was facing a great pass rusher. Will Smith is a good end, but not great. And he didn’t play the whole game. But Williams fared well (on the fourth and 1, he buried Smith inside; had Smith gotten free he would have helped stop Darrel Young for no gain. Williams also got enough of a block to help open a hole for Morris’ first touchdown (Young had a good block, too).
Click to expand...
I’ve stayed away from coaches being called Studs because this is about the players. But Kyle Shanahan and the offensive staff deserve a lot of praise. They threw the first punches and when the Saints responded, they had their own way to punch back. He’s an aggressive play caller with an aggressive quarterback. That could lead to issues in some games; it led to 40 points in the opener.
Click to expand...
 
'ChrisCooleyFan said:
Was at the game yesterday, the dome was VERY loud early on. I was very impressed with the 1st series, quick passes, make Griffin comfortable. Then we he connected with Garcon I was jumping up and down screaming we have a QB!!!!! As the game went on the texts I got from friends where kinda of like Rocky 4. They went from the Redskins suck and will get killed to man Grifin is good. Loved the RG3 chants from Redskins fans at the dome. What a great day and night. I'm about to watch it on TV now, and wish tomorrow was Sunday because I'm ready to see him play again already.

HTTR!!!
Click to expand...
yeah! was there as well. best redskin roadie ever! skin fans took over the 700 block of bourbon street for the saturday night pep rally at johnny whites.

bourbon

saint fans were loud but the skins took them out of the game and fans started leaving half-way thru the 4th.

haven't been this proud to be a skins fan on the road ever!

epic!

 
some analysis I did comparing Cam vs RG3 in their first games....

In Cam Newton's first NFL game, the Panthers scored on 3 of their 12 possessions. None of their 9 failed possessions were due to the end of a half or other fluky happenings. Cam Newton threw the ball at least once on each of their last series of downs on those 9 failed possessions.

In RG3's first NFL game, the Redskins scored on 8 of 12 possessions(I'm not counting the one play kneel down at the end of the first half as a possession). On 3 of those 4 failed drives, RG3 did not throw a pass on the last series of downs. That means that only one time all game did RG3 throw a pass on a series of downs and not get a 1st down. Here was that series in case you are interested:

1st-10, WAS23 9:37 A. Morris rushed to the right for 2 yard gain

2nd-8, WAS25 8:53 A. Morris rushed to the left for 1 yard loss

3rd-9, WAS24 8:14 R. Griffin III passed to S. Moss to the right for 6 yard gain

 
'Assani Fisher said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/09/10/re-focused-redskins-saints-week-1/
Click to expand...
Good information there, thank you.Not that it's surprising but the O-line will apparently continue to be a problem.
The Redskins’ offensive line had a great day in pass protection and kept RGIII clean in the pocket, allowing only eight pressures. However, they were largely manhandled by the Saints’ front seven in the run game. So much so, that despite all five lineman gaining positive pass blocking grades, only left tackle Trent Williams and center Will Montgomery graded positively overall. While those two spots are clear strengths for Washington, the rest of the line is much shakier. Chris Chester and Tyler Polumbus had trouble against the left side of the Saints’ line and Kory Lichtensteiger was tormented by the stout Broderick Bunkley.As will be mentioned later, the Saints have some dominating run defenders on that defensive line while lacking truly explosive pass rushers, so we may not be able to read too much into this display just yet. But it’s something to monitor as the season goes on.
Click to expand...
While New Orleans fans won’t be happy with the outcome against the Redskins, the Saints’ performance in run defense might be a small consolation. Perhaps motivated by Ryan Kerrigan’s strong day, second-year defensive end Cam Jordan followed up his strong rookie campaign with a +6.8 grade in run defense. Primarily working against Polumbus (-6.9 run block), Jordan totaled a mammoth nine stops in 41 run snaps, good for a 22% Run Stop Percentage. He generally overwhelmed Polumbus and any tight end that attempted to block him in the run game.In the middle of the defense, newcomers Brodrick Bunkley and Curtis Lofton each made sure their presence was felt. Lining up almost exclusively at DRT, Bunkley dominated Redskins left guard Lichtensteiger and made four stops while constantly standing up or pushing offensive players into the backfield. Meanwhile, Lofton showed Saints fans something they haven’t seen in a while; a linebacker who could get off blocks.
Click to expand...
 
'Sidewinder16 said:
It's looking like the Rams will be down 2 starting OL, and the unit wasn't that great to begin with. I'm putting the O/U on sacks by the 'Skins D at 5.
Click to expand...
Rams OL possibly down 3 starters now.
The injury woes on the offensive line continue to mount for the Rams. Left guard Rokevious Watkins missed Wednesday's practice with an ankle injury and his status is uncertain for Sunday's home opener against Washington. Watkins has been using crutches.

...

Nonetheless, it's highly unlikely Saffold will play Sunday, meaning the start at left tackle would go to Wayne Hunter.

Robert Turner will start at center in place of Scott Wells, who will miss about half the season with a fractured foot.
Click to expand...
 
'fatness said:
'Assani Fisher said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/09/10/re-focused-redskins-saints-week-1/
Click to expand...
Good information there, thank you.Not that it's surprising but the O-line will apparently continue to be a problem.
The Redskins’ offensive line had a great day in pass protection and kept RGIII clean in the pocket, allowing only eight pressures. However, they were largely manhandled by the Saints’ front seven in the run game. So much so, that despite all five lineman gaining positive pass blocking grades, only left tackle Trent Williams and center Will Montgomery graded positively overall. While those two spots are clear strengths for Washington, the rest of the line is much shakier. Chris Chester and Tyler Polumbus had trouble against the left side of the Saints’ line and Kory Lichtensteiger was tormented by the stout Broderick Bunkley.As will be mentioned later, the Saints have some dominating run defenders on that defensive line while lacking truly explosive pass rushers, so we may not be able to read too much into this display just yet. But it’s something to monitor as the season goes on.
Click to expand...
While New Orleans fans won’t be happy with the outcome against the Redskins, the Saints’ performance in run defense might be a small consolation. Perhaps motivated by Ryan Kerrigan’s strong day, second-year defensive end Cam Jordan followed up his strong rookie campaign with a +6.8 grade in run defense. Primarily working against Polumbus (-6.9 run block), Jordan totaled a mammoth nine stops in 41 run snaps, good for a 22% Run Stop Percentage. He generally overwhelmed Polumbus and any tight end that attempted to block him in the run game.In the middle of the defense, newcomers Brodrick Bunkley and Curtis Lofton each made sure their presence was felt. Lining up almost exclusively at DRT, Bunkley dominated Redskins left guard Lichtensteiger and made four stops while constantly standing up or pushing offensive players into the backfield. Meanwhile, Lofton showed Saints fans something they haven’t seen in a while; a linebacker who could get off blocks.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
curse the darkness if you wish, but from my perch -50 yard line section 614 high atop the super do me- the skins OL performed admirably in all aspects of the game. when you consider this is the 1st time they've played together, I was impressed.fellas, it's the scheme that makes this thing go. oh, and we got a rookie RB. yeah, this thing will get better - it will not 'continue to be a problem.'
 
Coming off a convincing win over a top-caliber opponent in week 1 with a brand new rookie QB and RB -- I'm wondering why this thread hasn't been so lively this week.

Possible reasons:

1. Uncertain how to handle good fortune.

2. Hopeful but with lurking sense of impending doom.

3. Still drunk.

All 3 are warranted. :)

 
I'm staying very cautious on the outlook for the season. I love RB3's future. I'm just holding off on convincing myself the future is now. Also, the Rams have played us a lot tougher than they should have in the last 5yrs or so. It looks like the perfect trap game. I like Bradford and Steven Jackson. I'm not sold on our D yet, Stopping the Sean Payton-less Saints has yet to be proven a difficult task.

 
From PFT

Landry also suggested that his two season-ending Achilles injuries during his time with the Redskins were not treated properly by the Redskins’ medical staff, and he said he didn’t enjoy playing for Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan.“That’s why they have great doctors and they have okay doctors, great trainers and okay trainers,” Landry said. “[The Redskins] had people who just had the job title, but not the passion for their job. . . . I don’t respect the training staff at all. I don’t respect the coaches over there. I don’t respect [shanahan]. I do respect Coach [Joe] Gibbs, who brought me there, and Coach Gregg Williams. I respect that 2007 organization. After 2007. . . . nonexistent.”
Click to expand...
So pretty much after Nittnay left everything went to ####. :popcorn:
 
'fatness said:
Coming off a convincing win over a top-caliber opponent in week 1 with a brand new rookie QB and RB -- I'm wondering why this thread hasn't been so lively this week. Possible reasons:1. Uncertain how to handle good fortune.2. Hopeful but with lurking sense of impending doom.3. Still drunk.All 3 are warranted. :)
Click to expand...
The Alfred Morris thread has been pretty active. I am pretty psyched about Morris as it appears Mike Shanahan loves him and I drafted him late in my ff league.
 
'Sebowski said:
I'm staying very cautious on the outlook for the season. I love RB3's future. I'm just holding off on convincing myself the future is now. Also, the Rams have played us a lot tougher than they should have in the last 5yrs or so. It looks like the perfect trap game. I like Bradford and Steven Jackson. I'm not sold on our D yet, Stopping the Sean Payton-less Saints has yet to be proven a difficult task.
Click to expand...
The Rams are a big time trap game. Redskins are coming off a big win and the Rams off a tough loss.
 
'Im.A.Wizard said:
now with Garcon out, how much do you guys think that influences how big a game Fred Davis has ?
Click to expand...
I think Davis will gradually get targeted more whether Garcon is on the field or not. Davis is pretty reliable at getting open. The guy to watch today is Aldrick Robinson. If he plays like last week he should have a surprisingly good game. But there's an equal chance we'll see why he's not a starter, and he'll do a Roydell Williams disappearing act. I'm hoping for the former.
 
Is Garcon out for sure? Everything I read says "will participate in pregame warmups and evaluate it", which sucks because with a 4:00 game that means I can't possibly know in time to set my lineup accordingly(since my backups play at 1:00). Any more info?

 
'Assani Fisher said:
Is Garcon out for sure? Everything I read says "will participate in pregame warmups and evaluate it", which sucks because with a 4:00 game that means I can't possibly know in time to set my lineup accordingly(since my backups play at 1:00). Any more info?
Click to expand...
I don't think it is official yet, but the vibe all week hasn't been good. I'd be surprised if he plays. Even if he does play, it sounds like it will likely bother him.
 
'Marvelous said:
'fatness said:
Coming off a convincing win over a top-caliber opponent in week 1 with a brand new rookie QB and RB -- I'm wondering why this thread hasn't been so lively this week. Possible reasons:1. Uncertain how to handle good fortune.2. Hopeful but with lurking sense of impending doom.3. Still drunk.All 3 are warranted. :)
Click to expand...
The Alfred Morris thread has been pretty active. I am pretty psyched about Morris as it appears Mike Shanahan loves him and I drafted him late in my ff league.
Click to expand...
Don't get too excited. The guy had 28 carries and still didn't break 100 yards. Most hype I've ever seen for a guy with an average 3.4 yards per carry. I love him in short yardage, but as a Skins fan first (FF 2nd) I want to see Royster between the 20s.
 
The defense is horrendous.

Edit: Second half, no adjustment. Right down the field in three or four plays. I just have to turn it off. If the skins aren't embarrassed, they can rest assured I'm embarrassed for them.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
'ChrisCooleyFan said:
:bye: Josh Morgan, Danny Smith and Jim Haslett
Click to expand...
Thank god I had turned it off before the Josh Morgan play. Just read about it in the game thread. Honestly, from what I saw, the Rams totally outplayed the skins. Without some horrendous calls early from the refs, this game isn't even that close. And seriously, how the eff can an NFL team not even get a punt off two weeks in a row? Shanny really needs to quit protecting this inner circle of dunces and get some real coaches on this coaching staff.
 
In the list of Studs and Duds, I can give a Dud to Josh Morgan for one play. Throwing the ball at the defender after the play is just downright embarrassing.

Other interesting note: at the end of the game, which were all passing downs, Evan Royster was the RB, not Roy Helu. Did something happen to Helu?

 
I'm pretty sure Haslett and Danny Smith are working to sabotage the team. Putting the Redskins in zone pass defense against the Rams, a zone defense which was completely unable to stop passing lanes or Ram receivers, and then sticking with it through the third quarter should get Haslett fired. The only reason I'm not saying "the defensive coaching lost the game" is because Danny Smith's special teams got another punt blocked.

All this time spent upgrading the defense, and they give up 32 and 31 points in their first 2 games this year? Enough excuse-making for Haslett. 5 FG's blocked last year and 2 punts blocked in 2 games this year? Enough excuse-making for Smith. Shanahan should tell them right now that they're done at the end of the year unless they do things to win their jobs back. They're performing badly, they're comfortable, they're not accountable, none of which should be tolerated.

Kyle changed and improved. Haslett and Smith haven't.

 
'fatness said:
I'm pretty sure Haslett and Danny Smith are working to sabotage the team. Putting the Redskins in zone pass defense against the Rams, a zone defense which was completely unable to stop passing lanes or Ram receivers, and then sticking with it through the third quarter should get Haslett fired. The only reason I'm not saying "the defensive coaching lost the game" is because Danny Smith's special teams got another punt blocked. All this time spent upgrading the defense, and they give up 32 and 31 points in their first 2 games this year? Enough excuse-making for Haslett. 5 FG's blocked last year and 2 punts blocked in 2 games this year? Enough excuse-making for Smith. Shanahan should tell them right now that they're done at the end of the year unless they do things to win their jobs back. They're performing badly, they're comfortable, they're not accountable, none of which should be tolerated.Kyle changed and improved. Haslett and Smith haven't.
Click to expand...
:goodposting: Haslett making the 2012 Rams look like the greatest show on turf.
 
Once again, the rookie QB was the best player on the team. Having said that, we saw him get a little flustered for the first time. There were a few drives in a row in the 4th Q where he was focusing more on the pass rush and less on the receivers downfield. The OL began giving up pressure at the worst time of the game and it affected the whole offense. Still, Griffin managed to make plays and do his part to keep his team in the game. I'm totally amazed that he's this good, this early. As frustrating as that loss was, I'm happy about where the team is headed.

 
It was odd how chippy the play got and especially with regards to RGIII. There were times when he was getting bumped after the play and I was disappointed that the team did not rally to defend or send a statement to the Rams players. Defense looked like they were playing prevent all game long...the Rams did whatever they wanted, pass the ball...just a matter of how far do you want to pass it this down? Run the ball, how many yards do you want to take it? That what it felt like, we made them look prolific!

As for Special Teams, it was ultra disappointing seeing another punt blocked...AGAIN! Good point with bringing up all the blocked kicks last year too, Danny Smith might be a good guy, but right now his track record is shaky at best.

Morgan is a BONEHEAD! Although our team should have done plenty more to not be in that situation, if he wasn't a decent paid FA we just got...he probably would be cut. I wouldn't be surprised if he got knocked down the depth chart and Shanny made him earn his way back up.

Officiating was the worst I have ever seen in the NFL. Calls were bad going both ways, as there were calls for us and against us that were so bad it wasn't even funny. The biggest part that I thought was a sign of how bad the officials were was there inability to keep the game in control. I thought for sure a MAJOR fight would break out, as there was way too much chippy play after the whistle. Never seen it get that bad...

 
'dgreen said:
As frustrating as that loss was, I'm happy about where the team is headed.
Click to expand...
I understand how you can say that strictly from an OFFENSIVE standpoint. But with the performance on D and ST, I don't know how you can say that about the team as a whole. I'm not at all happy about where this team is headed, which is last in the division again.
 
'dgreen said:
'RGIII HTTR said:
Morgan is a BONEHEAD!
Click to expand...
His ball toss is over-shadowing another mistake on that play. He turned towards the outside after the catch (maybe thinking about getting out of bounds?), when he could have turned inside and had an easy first down.
Click to expand...
I was going to mention that too, turning the wrong way and passing up the first down. They really needed a first down there, not a 4th down for a rookie QB or a long FG by a kicker who was cut for not being good on long FG's.By the way, the 62-yard FG attempt was the stupidest game call I've seen Mike Shanahan make. Why not try from 90 yards out?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

TommyKramer9
Rest Of Season Rankings
Replies
12
Views
2K
TommyKramer9
TommyKramer9
daylight
2020 RB Lotto Ticket Rankings
3 4 5
Replies
222
Views
19K
Adso
A
Pigskin Fanatic
*** 2019 NFL Free Agents - Fantasy impacts and opportunities
Replies
21
Views
2K
Tanner9919
T

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Back
Top