***OFFICIAL*** 2012 Washington Redskins Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

John Keim today:

Trent Williams limped into the facility

After doing what? Driving to Redskins Park? Practicing?

When he got to the park. He was injured last game.

Left tackle Trent Williams did not participate in the Washington Redskins’ practice Wednesday. Williams suffered a bone bruise on his right knee during last Sunday’s loss to the Cincinnati Bengals. The Redskins have listed his status as day to day. It’s not clear if Williams will be able to play Sunday in Tampa against the Buccaneers.

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[RGIII HTTR]

Steve Spurrier....Jim Zorn....I'll take "a pretty unsatisfactory answer" from Shanny any day over satisfactory answers from those two BOZO's! Don't forget where we have been and take it for granted boyz!

Well I'd prefer an answer from Madonna over Spurrier and Zorn too, but she'd do some ####ty coaching. That was a ####ty coaching decision by Shanahan, just like the 287-yard field goal the week before. So far Shanahan's record is worse than Zorn's.And who's deciding to use the Pearl Harbor pass defenses they've been using?

Uhhh, it wasn't about that actual decision is was about his answer. I'm not and will never be at a point where whatever someone says is golden and they can do no wrong, but Shanny at least explains his choice on the regular. Yes, he can be vague, but he doesn't hem n haw and come across like he has NO F'n IDEA what he's doing. That was my point...although you may not like his answer of a decision he made, his decision has intent.We can nit-pick about his decisions all day and all night, but he and Allen have changed the culture of the team...at least we see some fight in them and not a bunch of prima-dona's running around with fat pockets.It's so easy to criticize, a it's understandable to a point by 'Skins fans as we've been through 1-2 decades of being a glutton for punishment with our team. My point, regardless of any particular decision...this team is being run like a team and I'll take any "pretty unsatisfactory answer" from this coach over BS we've had...

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Steve Spurrier....Jim Zorn....I'll take "a pretty unsatisfactory answer" from Shanny any day over satisfactory answers from those two BOZO's! Don't forget where we have been and take it for granted boyz!

Well I'd prefer an answer from Madonna over Spurrier and Zorn too, but she'd do some ####ty coaching. That was a ####ty coaching decision by Shanahan, just like the 287-yard field goal the week before. So far Shanahan's record is worse than Zorn's.And who's deciding to use the Pearl Harbor pass defenses they've been using?

Exactly.You can't defend a moronic decision by saying that the guy isn't always as moronic as two other guys who had the job. Stupid is stupid. And punting on 4th and 1 at the opponent's 44 with the score tied in the fourth quarter is honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen from an NFL coach. Possibly dumber than the "swinging gate" play.

Yes, I can...because I'll take a few stupid decisions over an everyday stupid! So the guy is not perfect...who F is? It's not ideal, but we are off way better than before and that was my point!

 

[fatness]

Steve Spurrier....Jim Zorn....I'll take "a pretty unsatisfactory answer" from Shanny any day over satisfactory answers from those two BOZO's! Don't forget where we have been and take it for granted boyz!

Well I'd prefer an answer from Madonna over Spurrier and Zorn too, but she'd do some ####ty coaching. That was a ####ty coaching decision by Shanahan, just like the 287-yard field goal the week before. So far Shanahan's record is worse than Zorn's.And who's deciding to use the Pearl Harbor pass defenses they've been using?

Exactly.You can't defend a moronic decision by saying that the guy isn't always as moronic as two other guys who had the job. Stupid is stupid. And punting on 4th and 1 at the opponent's 44 with the score tied in the fourth quarter is honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen from an NFL coach. Possibly dumber than the "swinging gate" play.

Yes, I can...because I'll take a few stupid decisions over an everyday stupid! So the guy is not perfect...who F is? It's not ideal, but we are off way better than before and that was my point!

Since you're not going to let it drop: the record doesn't show that.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Steve Spurrier....Jim Zorn....I'll take "a pretty unsatisfactory answer" from Shanny any day over satisfactory answers from those two BOZO's! Don't forget where we have been and take it for granted boyz!

Well I'd prefer an answer from Madonna over Spurrier and Zorn too, but she'd do some ####ty coaching. That was a ####ty coaching decision by Shanahan, just like the 287-yard field goal the week before. So far Shanahan's record is worse than Zorn's.And who's deciding to use the Pearl Harbor pass defenses they've been using?

Exactly.You can't defend a moronic decision by saying that the guy isn't always as moronic as two other guys who had the job. Stupid is stupid. And punting on 4th and 1 at the opponent's 44 with the score tied in the fourth quarter is honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen from an NFL coach. Possibly dumber than the "swinging gate" play.

Yes, I can...because I'll take a few stupid decisions over an everyday stupid! So the guy is not perfect...who F is? It's not ideal, but we are off way better than before and that was my point!

Since you're not going to let it drop: the record doesn't show that.

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record? LP, EP or a 45's...WTF, someone tracking stupid decisions?Steve is that you???? Jim???? Sell crazy elsewhere, we're all stocked here bud...

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record?

I would guess he means 12-22 (Zorn was 12-20) EDIT (Spurrier was also 12-20).

 

[RGIII HTTR]

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record?

I would guess he means 12-22 (Zorn was 12-20) EDIT (Spurrier was also 12-20).

Thanks for that, I appreciate you trying to help out...I guess that might be as idiotic as Spurrier or Zorn itself...if that is what the measure stupidity is...wins and losses. LMAO!!!

I'll say it again for the knuckleheads that can't seem to read english...my point, regardless of any particular decision...this team is being run like a team (a NFL team) and I'll take any "pretty unsatisfactory answer" from this coach over BS we've had before. My first comment was directed to the it was an unsatisfactory answer crap because it seems several people around here forgot the stupid ### pony show that was being run at Redskins Park for so long. Then again, maybe we just have some whining babies that only want to ##### and complain about everything because NOTHING will ever appease them.

 

[thayman]

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record?

I would guess he means 12-22 (Zorn was 12-20) EDIT (Spurrier was also 12-20).

Thanks for that, I appreciate you trying to help out...I guess that might be as idiotic as Spurrier or Zorn itself...if that is what the measure stupidity is...wins and losses. LMAO!!!

I'll say it again for the knuckleheads that can't seem to read english...my point, regardless of any particular decision...this team is being run like a team (a NFL team) and I'll take any "pretty unsatisfactory answer" from this coach over BS we've had before. My first comment was directed to the it was an unsatisfactory answer crap because it seems several people around here forgot the stupid ### pony show that was being run at Redskins Park for so long. Then again, maybe we just have some whining babies that only want to ##### and complain about everything because NOTHING will ever appease them.

I find Shannahan to be a very good coach and easily the best since Gibbs, that however should not put him above any criticism. There have been a few questionable decisions made that any NFL headcoach should expect to have an answer for.

 

[nittanylion]

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record?

I would guess he means 12-22 (Zorn was 12-20) EDIT (Spurrier was also 12-20).

Thanks for that, I appreciate you trying to help out...I guess that might be as idiotic as Spurrier or Zorn itself...if that is what the measure stupidity is...wins and losses. LMAO!!!

I'll say it again for the knuckleheads that can't seem to read english...my point, regardless of any particular decision...this team is being run like a team (a NFL team) and I'll take any "pretty unsatisfactory answer" from this coach over BS we've had before. My first comment was directed to the it was an unsatisfactory answer crap because it seems several people around here forgot the stupid ### pony show that was being run at Redskins Park for so long. Then again, maybe we just have some whining babies that only want to ##### and complain about everything because NOTHING will ever appease them.

For the inquiring minds that want to know: Fellas, this is NOT me operating under an alias......but I DO like the cut of your jib, RGIII HTTR.

 

[Warrior]

This is where the game was lost, and the media and fans need to call out Shanahan on it.

I think he was asked about it in the postgame presser and he gave a pretty unsatisfactory answer. He said he was lining up to go for it because he thought the Bengals' defenders were tired. Once Cincy took the timeout, Shanahan changed his mind because they now had some rest. So, it appears his initial decision to go for it really had nothing to do with the game scenario (tied score, field position, distance to go, 4th quarter, etc.). It was all about them being tired...if you can trust his answer.It's baffling that he trusted his D to hold Cincy more than he trusted his O to pick up less than a yard. Even if he did trust his D, he has to then think that they'd return the punt further than the 44 in order for them to gain a field of position advantage out of all of that. I believe last week's decision to punt led to St. Louis getting off a 60+ yard punt with no return by Banks and a huge field position change. Oh, and btw, Racca is having a pretty bad year. He's been pretty good at dropping some inside the 10, but his punts in the middle of the field have to have a pretty low average.

Yeah, I'd say.I'm gonna do my part to make this an issue for Redskins fans. Because it should be. It's one thing to complain about the state of the O-Line and the secondary. There are real limitations that the team faces in trying to improve those, with the salary cap and the need to use draft picks elsewhere and the lack of available talent and so on. But there is no excuse for willfully choosing to reduce your team's chances to win a game by making "conservative" decisions, presumably just so you don't look bad if the right decision backfires. It's not OK. I've been pro-Shanahan and I really want them to give this regime time to take root, but as a fan there's nothing that pisses me off more than this kind of stuff.

Give me a break. The guy punted on 4th down. If they would have won the game, you'd be saying it was the correct decision.Armchair coaches are so annoying.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record?

I would guess he means 12-22 (Zorn was 12-20) EDIT (Spurrier was also 12-20).

Thanks for that, I appreciate you trying to help out...I guess that might be as idiotic as Spurrier or Zorn itself...if that is what the measure stupidity is...wins and losses. LMAO!!!

I'll say it again for the knuckleheads that can't seem to read english...my point, regardless of any particular decision...this team is being run like a team (a NFL team) and I'll take any "pretty unsatisfactory answer" from this coach over BS we've had before. My first comment was directed to the it was an unsatisfactory answer crap because it seems several people around here forgot the stupid ### pony show that was being run at Redskins Park for so long. Then again, maybe we just have some whining babies that only want to ##### and complain about everything because NOTHING will ever appease them.

Well, I think you should be prepared for some people to push back against the notion that the team is better managed. I generally support Shanahan. I would have likely gone for it on 4th, but I'm not exoricised about it like Tobias (if only because I'm not going to torture myself as sub-optimal coaching calls in a game when my defense can't cover anybody). But it seems to be a fair criticism to say that while Shanahan inherited a team with problems, he took a team with a defense that ranged from good to very good and instituted a system and a coordinator who has achieved results that have ranged from awful to about average to awful again. He "staked" his reputation on John Beck. And I think wins and losses are probably the best measure of the quality of managment's decisions 32 games isn't a trivial sample size. And the metric takes into account lots of decisions, not just the ones we all remember on television.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Give me a break. The guy punted on 4th down. If they would have won the game, you'd be saying it was the correct decision.Armchair coaches are so annoying.

I doubt it. Tobias strikes me as a pretty sabermetric literate guy. I think he'd probably criticize the process even if the result was positive. My guess is that Shanahan is trying to protect his rookie QB from criticism more than he's protecting himself, but in either case I think that's probably ill advised. It would have been nice to have a team around Robert that could take the pressure off of him, but that's not going to happen. Might as well throw as much at him as you can and see what he's got.

 

[Sebowski]

I think you guys are over-reacting to the punt. It wasn't that bad of a decision compared to many others. And every coach will have some questionable decisions.

Game momentum shifted at that moment from the Skins to the Bengals. The Bengals didn't seize the momentum. The Redskins coach gave it away.

I suspect 30% of the NFL head coaches would have punted there. If so, that his not a automatic decision.On the other side is the 62 yard field goal attempt by Cundiff. Almost no coach would have tried the field goal there.The point is: the decision to punt is not that unreasonable. I'm not saying it was a good decision, but I don't think it was surprising or unreasonable.

The issue no one is talking about with that 62 yard attempt is that Gano would have nailed it

 

[fatness]

Steve Spurrier....Jim Zorn....I'll take "a pretty unsatisfactory answer" from Shanny any day over satisfactory answers from those two BOZO's! Don't forget where we have been and take it for granted boyz!

Well I'd prefer an answer from Madonna over Spurrier and Zorn too, but she'd do some ####ty coaching. That was a ####ty coaching decision by Shanahan, just like the 287-yard field goal the week before. So far Shanahan's record is worse than Zorn's.And who's deciding to use the Pearl Harbor pass defenses they've been using?

Exactly.You can't defend a moronic decision by saying that the guy isn't always as moronic as two other guys who had the job. Stupid is stupid. And punting on 4th and 1 at the opponent's 44 with the score tied in the fourth quarter is honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen from an NFL coach. Possibly dumber than the "swinging gate" play.

Yes, I can...because I'll take a few stupid decisions over an everyday stupid! So the guy is not perfect...who F is? It's not ideal, but we are off way better than before and that was my point!

Since you're not going to let it drop: the record doesn't show that.

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record? LP, EP or a 45's...WTF, someone tracking stupid decisions?Steve is that you???? Jim???? Sell crazy elsewhere, we're all stocked here bud...

Now there's some everyday stupid for ya. If you want blind homerism there's plenty of it at extremeskins. "Changing the culture" was supposed to be one of the building blocks to winning. I think we're pretty much all agreed they've changed the culture. "Having a front office run by football professionals" was supposed to be one of the building blocks to winning. That's another one I think we all agree they've done. "Restocking the roster due to no depth" was supposed to be one of the building blocks to winning. They've certainly restocked the roster and improved depth at backup positions, I think we'll all agree on that. What they have not done is have adequate starters at each position, have an even-adequate defense, and made smart coaching decisions. And this is the third year in. They had no 2-minute offense for over a season. Time management has been consistently bad. Bad coaching calls are still getting made. The 700-yard FG and the punt on 4th and 1 were epically bad decisions. The first took away any chance they had of winning, and the second completely gave momentum back to another team the Skins had tried mightily to catch up to (and succeeded). Both of them remind me of Gibbs calling 2 consecutive time outs. Just bad coaching.With all the basics in place, where's the winning in Shanahan's third year in? Why do they have the worst defense in the league? Why did they trade all those 1st round draft picks for an extremely talented QB (good move in my opinion) and then send him out there to run options where he gets smashed on every play (horrible decision)? You can keep blaming players, keep blaming fans who aren't homers, keep blaming sports announcers who aren't here, but you're not saying why the coaching is bad when it's bad.

I guess that might be as idiotic as Spurrier or Zorn itself...if that is what the measure stupidity is...wins and losses. LMAO!!!

Yeah, that's the measure.

 

[fatness]

The issue no one is talking about with that 62 yard attempt is that Gano would have nailed it

That was the first thing I thought when Shanahan decided to try it --- that they had gotten rid of a guy who was more accurate at longer range than Cundiff, and sent in the guy they got who's better at short range but got cut because he was bad from long range. It didn't make sense.

 

[fatness]

John Keim, saying that Jordan Black looked better than Tyler Polumbus last game:

i go by what i see not what others see. in watching every snap 10-15 times, polumbus was def worse. black had long stretch where OK

Rich Campbell about Griffin getting hit:

By my count, RG3 went to ground with contact 28 times vs. Cincy. 14 times while passing; 11 on designed runs; twice scrambling; 1 fumble rec

RG3 went to ground with contact 26 times total in the first games. He's now at 54 times for the season. That's a lot of punishment

 

[fatness]

Washington Redskins fans aren’t the only ones who show concern when Robert Griffin III takes a hit and stays on the ground. Sunday after a play in which the rookie quarterback dived toward the end zone, trainers were worried enough to see if Griffin suffered a concussion.

“I was just a little dizzy. When I dove, I got the ball inside the pylon, I thought it was a touchdown. I got up to celebrate and everything on the left was on the right and everything on the right was on the left,” Griffin said Wednesday. “So I just fell back down and took a second, stood up and I was fine. They tried to check me and see if I had a concussion, but I didn’t have a concussion. I was just a little bit dizzy. Nothing to worry about.”

Campbell

 

[fatness]

More from Campbell, on the defense:

After re-watching the game, I don’t feel the way I expected to, that Washington’s defense was overwhelmed. The Redskins gave up 38 points, 478 total yards and 6.8 yards per play, but Cincinnati did not dominate the line of scrimmage or sustain drives. The Bengals averaged only 3.2 yards per carry on 23 rushes, and Washington won the turnover battle, 2-1. The difference, at least when the Bengals had the ball, was big plays through the air and quick, accurate throws that gained bits of yardage and negated the Redskins’ pass rush.

In the last two games, St. Louis and Cincinnati have established at least part of a blueprint for beating the Redskins: quick throws that exploit the secondary and set up big-plays with double moves. The Redskins were very good against the run against New Orleans and Cincinnati, so teams are going to pass against them until they prove they can stop it. And those quick throws often are just an extension of the running game.

So the question is: do the Redskins have a talent problem in the secondary or is it something that can be solved schematically? The former would mean the Redskins are in trouble. SS Brandon Meriweather (sprained left knee) is expected to return soon, possibly this week, so we’ll see what impact he has.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

The thing that was nice to see was that Hall actually performed very, very well against Green. Green is just that good.

 

[fatness]

Redskins are making a change to lessen the number of hits on Griffin.

The part that often confused defenders is also what landed Robert Griffin III in trouble. Not to mention on the ground. And it's something the Redskins say needs to change. That is, if Griffin wants to last the season.

The Redskins know Griffin is taking too many hits. In Sunday's 38-31 loss to Cincinnati, he unofficially was hit 28 times. He wasn't hit hard every time, but he did get hit five times after he either pitched the ball or handed off. The worst one: Linebacker Manny Lawson drilled him just after he pitched to Brandon Banks around the left side for 8 yards.

But the coaches have told Griffin he needs to stop selling the fakes so hard. Make the decision, then either run or pitch -- and then make it clear you don't have the ball. If the defense hits him at that point, they could be flagged for 15 yards. "There are probably seven or eight hits in that game he didn't have to take at all," Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said.

 

[fatness]

Studs n Duds (defense)

Studs

Rob Jackson

Bowen

Kerrigan

Riley

Duds

Hall

Gomes

Wilson

Crawford

Fletcher

Want a contrast with what Robert Griffin III endured, thanks to play calls and his running? Griffin was pounded much of the game. Andy Dalton was not. Dalton dropped back to pass 29 times and was only hit five times, including two sacks. Even on his scramble he dove forward and wasn’t really hit. Another time he was hit at his ankles. Dalton avoided hits with quick decisions in the pocket. One of the sacks, by Perry Riley in second and goal, took 3.1 seconds – longer than desired but not as long as some quarterbacks hold the ball.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Hall was not a dud. Green is just that good. He was on him like flies on #### most of the game. Impressive, actually, other than that one broken play at the beginning with Sanu's TD pass. And Haslett took responsibility on that one for messing up the assignments.

 

[fatness]

Studs n Duds (offense)

Studs

Griffin

Fred Davis

Banks

Lichtensteiger

Montgomery

Duds

Polumbus

Jordan Black

LT Trent Williams deserves praise for how he played with a bone bruise in his right knee. He played — and then —. The second play of the game showed his ability. The end on that side was aligned a yard outside of Williams. With the Redskins running a stretch zone to the left, Williams’ job was to seal the end. Within two steps he was even with the end and after another step he had him sealed inside. An impressive play. You could also see his inability to move well to his right in trying to reach Atkins on the first series of the third quarter. Williams couldn’t get to Atkins, who stopped a stretch zone to the right for no gain. Atkins is quick but Williams had no chance with an ailing right knee.

…I really like how Leonard Hankerson has played the past two weeks, especially as a blocker.

I'm hoping that each week we watch Jordan Black we say "man, you can see him improving from week to week" since he was out of the league so long. I think Polumbus is a lost cause.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Steve Spurrier....Jim Zorn....I'll take "a pretty unsatisfactory answer" from Shanny any day over satisfactory answers from those two BOZO's! Don't forget where we have been and take it for granted boyz!

Well I'd prefer an answer from Madonna over Spurrier and Zorn too, but she'd do some ####ty coaching. That was a ####ty coaching decision by Shanahan, just like the 287-yard field goal the week before. So far Shanahan's record is worse than Zorn's.And who's deciding to use the Pearl Harbor pass defenses they've been using?

Exactly.You can't defend a moronic decision by saying that the guy isn't always as moronic as two other guys who had the job. Stupid is stupid. And punting on 4th and 1 at the opponent's 44 with the score tied in the fourth quarter is honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen from an NFL coach. Possibly dumber than the "swinging gate" play.

Yes, I can...because I'll take a few stupid decisions over an everyday stupid! So the guy is not perfect...who F is? It's not ideal, but we are off way better than before and that was my point!

Since you're not going to let it drop: the record doesn't show that.

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record? LP, EP or a 45's...WTF, someone tracking stupid decisions?Steve is that you???? Jim???? Sell crazy elsewhere, we're all stocked here bud...

Now there's some everyday stupid for ya. If you want blind homerism there's plenty of it at extremeskins. "Changing the culture" was supposed to be one of the building blocks to winning. I think we're pretty much all agreed they've changed the culture. "Having a front office run by football professionals" was supposed to be one of the building blocks to winning. That's another one I think we all agree they've done. "Restocking the roster due to no depth" was supposed to be one of the building blocks to winning. They've certainly restocked the roster and improved depth at backup positions, I think we'll all agree on that. What they have not done is have adequate starters at each position, have an even-adequate defense, and made smart coaching decisions. And this is the third year in. They had no 2-minute offense for over a season. Time management has been consistently bad. Bad coaching calls are still getting made. The 700-yard FG and the punt on 4th and 1 were epically bad decisions. The first took away any chance they had of winning, and the second completely gave momentum back to another team the Skins had tried mightily to catch up to (and succeeded). Both of them remind me of Gibbs calling 2 consecutive time outs. Just bad coaching.With all the basics in place, where's the winning in Shanahan's third year in? Why do they have the worst defense in the league? Why did they trade all those 1st round draft picks for an extremely talented QB (good move in my opinion) and then send him out there to run options where he gets smashed on every play (horrible decision)? You can keep blaming players, keep blaming fans who aren't homers, keep blaming sports announcers who aren't here, but you're not saying why the coaching is bad when it's bad.

I guess that might be as idiotic as Spurrier or Zorn itself...if that is what the measure stupidity is...wins and losses. LMAO!!!

Yeah, that's the measure.

That is so laughable, it's not funny. By your measure:Joe Gibbs is stupid, 30-33 when he came back.BIll Walsh was 24-33 first four years he took over.Chuck Noll was 23-33 first four years he took over.Yep, those a just a few "STUID" hall of fame coaches. I want a real coach, I want a real coach, you get one and all you can do is nit pick and complain. AS I said before, he is not perfect and newsbreaker here...HE NEVER WILL BE PERFECT. I'm not a blind homer, but the constant #####ing is tiresome. Be glad we have what we have, because I for one can remember when it was worse and the team had absolutely no direction. It appears you and several others have forgotten or you just like to nit pick and ##### about everything.Like I said, go sell crazy elsewhere...we're all stocked up here!

 

[RGIII HTTR]

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record?

I would guess he means 12-22 (Zorn was 12-20) EDIT (Spurrier was also 12-20).

Thanks for that, I appreciate you trying to help out...I guess that might be as idiotic as Spurrier or Zorn itself...if that is what the measure stupidity is...wins and losses. LMAO!!!

I'll say it again for the knuckleheads that can't seem to read english...my point, regardless of any particular decision...this team is being run like a team (a NFL team) and I'll take any "pretty unsatisfactory answer" from this coach over BS we've had before. My first comment was directed to the it was an unsatisfactory answer crap because it seems several people around here forgot the stupid ### pony show that was being run at Redskins Park for so long. Then again, maybe we just have some whining babies that only want to ##### and complain about everything because NOTHING will ever appease them.

For the inquiring minds that want to know: Fellas, this is NOT me operating under an alias......but I DO like the cut of your jib, RGIII HTTR.

Glad I'm not the only one rowing the boat.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record?

I would guess he means 12-22 (Zorn was 12-20) EDIT (Spurrier was also 12-20).

Thanks for that, I appreciate you trying to help out...I guess that might be as idiotic as Spurrier or Zorn itself...if that is what the measure stupidity is...wins and losses. LMAO!!!

I'll say it again for the knuckleheads that can't seem to read english...my point, regardless of any particular decision...this team is being run like a team (a NFL team) and I'll take any "pretty unsatisfactory answer" from this coach over BS we've had before. My first comment was directed to the it was an unsatisfactory answer crap because it seems several people around here forgot the stupid ### pony show that was being run at Redskins Park for so long. Then again, maybe we just have some whining babies that only want to ##### and complain about everything because NOTHING will ever appease them.

Well, I think you should be prepared for some people to push back against the notion that the team is better managed. I generally support Shanahan. I would have likely gone for it on 4th, but I'm not exoricised about it like Tobias (if only because I'm not going to torture myself as sub-optimal coaching calls in a game when my defense can't cover anybody). But it seems to be a fair criticism to say that while Shanahan inherited a team with problems, he took a team with a defense that ranged from good to very good and instituted a system and a coordinator who has achieved results that have ranged from awful to about average to awful again. He "staked" his reputation on John Beck. And I think wins and losses are probably the best measure of the quality of managment's decisions 32 games isn't a trivial sample size. And the metric takes into account lots of decisions, not just the ones we all remember on television.

To change the culture, you have to cut the some of the talent that is there too. It doesn't help that NFL took away most of the cap for us either, especially for a team that through the stupid previous tenure traded away all opportunity to provide youth and depth. Yes, I too am not happy with our defense and their performance and have questions about Haslett's ability (never changing scheme vs Rams)...it is very frustrating, but for anyone to argue that we were off better with Spurrier or Zorn (other than Steve or Jim) than Shanny is pure idiotic in itself!

 

[Brunell4MVP]

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record?

I would guess he means 12-22 (Zorn was 12-20) EDIT (Spurrier was also 12-20).

Thanks for that, I appreciate you trying to help out...I guess that might be as idiotic as Spurrier or Zorn itself...if that is what the measure stupidity is...wins and losses. LMAO!!!

I'll say it again for the knuckleheads that can't seem to read english...my point, regardless of any particular decision...this team is being run like a team (a NFL team) and I'll take any "pretty unsatisfactory answer" from this coach over BS we've had before. My first comment was directed to the it was an unsatisfactory answer crap because it seems several people around here forgot the stupid ### pony show that was being run at Redskins Park for so long. Then again, maybe we just have some whining babies that only want to ##### and complain about everything because NOTHING will ever appease them.

I find Shannahan to be a very good coach and easily the best since Gibbs, that however should not put him above any criticism. There have been a few questionable decisions made that any NFL headcoach should expect to have an answer for.

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shanny aint perfect,. but hes the first real coach weve had since gibbs. zorn and spurrier had no business coaching nfl teams. that doesnt mean hes doing a good job though. but id let him ride out his contract. 5 years is plenty of time to fix things and at least there is some semblance of organiztion and management.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

LOL, since I'm not going to let it drop. What record?

I would guess he means 12-22 (Zorn was 12-20) EDIT (Spurrier was also 12-20).

Thanks for that, I appreciate you trying to help out...I guess that might be as idiotic as Spurrier or Zorn itself...if that is what the measure stupidity is...wins and losses. LMAO!!!

I'll say it again for the knuckleheads that can't seem to read english...my point, regardless of any particular decision...this team is being run like a team (a NFL team) and I'll take any "pretty unsatisfactory answer" from this coach over BS we've had before. My first comment was directed to the it was an unsatisfactory answer crap because it seems several people around here forgot the stupid ### pony show that was being run at Redskins Park for so long. Then again, maybe we just have some whining babies that only want to ##### and complain about everything because NOTHING will ever appease them.

I find Shannahan to be a very good coach and easily the best since Gibbs, that however should not put him above any criticism. There have been a few questionable decisions made that any NFL headcoach should expect to have an answer for.

this

shanny aint perfect,. but hes the first real coach weve had since gibbs. zorn and spurrier had no business coaching nfl teams. that doesnt mean hes doing a good job though. but id let him ride out his contract. 5 years is plenty of time to fix things and at least there is some semblance of organiztion and management.

Overall, I like this too... For me, I'd change the underlined to GREAT. I think he is doing a good job, the steady wins unfortunately haven't come yet. It's been a long time since the team has been competitive on a week to week basis and we have that, just have to pull it all together on the regular to make it paying real dividends.

 

[fatness]

Like I said, go sell crazy elsewhere...we're all stocked up here!

When did you get so thin skinned anyway?

 

[RGIII HTTR]

John Keim today:

Trent Williams limped into the facility

After doing what? Driving to Redskins Park? Practicing?

Lost in all the other talk...I actually found these questions to be quite funny!!!

 

[fatness]

shanny aint perfect,. but hes the first real coach weve had since gibbs. zorn and spurrier had no business coaching nfl teams. that doesnt mean hes doing a good job though.

I agree, it doesn't mean he's doing a good job, just that he's not clownish.I'd say part of what he's done so far (which I listed above) is good, but he's done things that are not so good either. Signing McNabb then running him out of town. Signing injured Jamaal Brown. No 2- minute offense for the entire first year here. Starting a season with a Rex Grossman/John Beck QB combo as a viable plan. Inheriting a bad offensive line and 3 years later having a bad offensive line, still. Changing a good defense into a bad one by scheme change, player cuts, and player additions. We've talked about those things in the time since he's been here, it's not like they're startling news. Some good, some bad, not a clown, and it remains to be seen if his "plan" is working or not for the Redskins.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Like I said, go sell crazy elsewhere...we're all stocked up here!

When did you get so thin skinned anyway?

One of those, hit a dude at the wrong time/day thing...

 

[fatness]

Yes, I too am not happy with our defense and their performance and have questions about Haslett's ability (never changing scheme vs Rams)...it is very frustrating, but for anyone to argue that we were off better with Spurrier or Zorn (other than Steve or Jim) than Shanny is pure idiotic in itself!

No one has argued that. You just bring it up when Shanahan is criticized.

 

[fatness]

One of those, hit a dude at the wrong time/day thing...

Well we'll both be here all year so have a beer or 6 and relax. It's a long season. Back to the Skins, Tampa is supposed to have a good rush defense and an awful pass defense. The main question I have is whether the Redskins will be able to protect Griffin enough to take advantage of the weak pass defense. If they can, given his good pocket presence and decision making, he could have his best day passing yet.I have no clue what to expect from the defense. They could shut down Tampa totally or make them look like world beaters. I'm hoping for the former.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

One of those, hit a dude at the wrong time/day thing...

Well we'll both be here all year so have a beer or 6 and relax. It's a long season. Back to the Skins, Tampa is supposed to have a good rush defense and an awful pass defense. The main question I have is whether the Redskins will be able to protect Griffin enough to take advantage of the weak pass defense. If they can, given his good pocket presence and decision making, he could have his best day passing yet.I have no clue what to expect from the defense. They could shut down Tampa totally or make them look like world beaters. I'm hoping for the former.

This team has totally flipped from what we were the past decade or so...we are now better on offense than defense, which was never the case before. Best part is TB's O is horrible, but we will find a way to make them look good. What I'd like to see is good performance by our O and solid performance by the D...NOT GIVING UP 30+ points!!!! Our D doesn't have to be world beaters, but somewhere between that and what we are right now would be nice.

 

[fatness]

This team has totally flipped from what we were the past decade or so...we are now better on offense than defense, which was never the case before. Best part is TB's O is horrible, but we will find a way to make them look good. What I'd like to see is good performance by our O and solid performance by the D...NOT GIVING UP 30+ points!!!! Our D doesn't have to be world beaters, but somewhere between that and what we are right now would be nice.

Yeah, even holding other teams to an average of 20-24 points a game would make for a lot of potential wins this year assuming Griffin doesn't get hurt (man, I hope he doesn't, the guy is so good).

 

[TobiasFunke]

Didn't realize what had happeend in this thread in my absence.

Anyway, yeah- just because you don't suck as bad as other people have sucked in the past doesn't make you worthy of praise. Am I forbidden from criticizing "Call Me Maybe" just because that "Friday" song was even worse?

Not that I hate Shanahan. I'm marginally happy with him in fact. But the 4th down decisions this season have been inexcusable.

Rich Tandler is picking up the story. Thank God. He missed one of the worst ones- the punt on 4th and 7 from the 39 with 7 minutes left and the team trailing St. Louis by 3 (a FG attempt or going for it both would have been demonstrably better). But I'm glad it's not all about the porous defense and the bad calls.

 

[fatness]

I don't know if all the stuff from John Keim's weekly email appears in print or not, so I'll post some of the latest one here. They come out on Fridays.

1. One thing to remember is that coaches always say it takes time for players to fully learn a system. The same is true of coaches. Jim Haslett had some experience in a 3-4 before arriving in Washington (three seasons with Pittsburgh), but thereafter used a 4-3. The 3-4 defense the Steelers run now is more influenced by **** LeBeau. When the Redskins hired Lou Spanos as linebackers coach in 2009, they did so to help teach that system. You can install a 3-4 playbook, but it can take time to grasp all the rules and nuances of that scheme. Spanos was the lone coach with a heavy background in the 3-4 as developed by LeBeau. I’ve written it before, but this could also explain why some players last year complained that the parts of the defense would sometimes change week to week and sometimes day to day.

“Guys never develop a foundation of what it is they’re supposed to be doing,” one NFL source said.

2. Secondary coach Raheem Morris’ background is not only in a 4-3, but in the Buccaneers’ system where they used a Tampa-2 (two-deep with the middle linebacker dropping) as well as a cover-3. That was most of what they used. The Redskins use a lot more man and man-zone combination coverages than Morris had used in the past – if at all. One NFL source said the result is that it can be difficult to make adjustments on the fly during a game when offenses start using combination routes. It can be tough to make adjustments with technique on the sidelines.

“If there’s only a handful of calls you can make then you’ll be at the mercy of the offense,” the source said. “When you don’t have the experience of making a lot of those calls and you’re getting beat on those things, there’s nothing you can relate it to switch to. From looking at it, that’s the biggest problem they’re having.

“Raheem always played Tampa 2 and zone and let guys play with their eyes. I don’t think they have a philosophy of how they want to play. I do think Raheem will get it.” But it takes time before he can get it down to where it’s second nature.

4. The former player also noticed that the Redskins’ secondary sometimes spends too much time looking at the quarterback and loses sight of receivers while in zone. It’s akin to, in basketball, seeing both the man and the ball at the same time. Corner DeAngelo Hall likes to spend as much time as possible looking at the quarterback (which you can’t do in man). That’s tough to do in the slot and especially against a team that runs option routes.

“When I watch them it looks like that’s how they’re coached,” he said.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Didn't realize what had happeend in this thread in my absence.

Anyway, yeah- just because you don't suck as bad as other people have sucked in the past doesn't make you worthy of praise. Am I forbidden from criticizing "Call Me Maybe" just because that "Friday" song was even worse?

Not that I hate Shanahan. I'm marginally happy with him in fact. But the 4th down decisions this season have been inexcusable.

Rich Tandler is picking up the story. Thank God. He missed one of the worst ones- the punt on 4th and 7 from the 39 with 7 minutes left and the team trailing St. Louis by 3 (a FG attempt or going for it both would have been demonstrably better). But I'm glad it's not all about the porous defense and the bad calls.

Welcome to the party, everyone had a great time and has now left. Good news is, better late than never...you can help clean up! Nobody said you can never criticize, I just pointed out that I'd still take Shanny of the other clowns. That is where the now infamous debate took off...

 

[fatness]

Nobody said you can never criticize, I just pointed out that I'd still take Shanny of the other clowns. That is where the now infamous debate took off...

Well Zorn and Spurrier really have nothing to do with what several of us think was a bad coaching decision to punt on 4th and 1.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Look who is leading the league in scoring.

Granted, it's only week 2, but I didn't think I'd be seeing that for a long time.

Still #1.

 

[dgreen]

Look who is leading the league in scoring.

Granted, it's only week 2, but I didn't think I'd be seeing that for a long time.

Still #1.

Wow, Cowboys and Eagles are 31 and 32.

 

[fatness]

Rich Campbell on Saturday evening.

WR Pierre Garcon (right foot) will try to play tomorrow, a source says. Last 2 weeks, decision to hold him out was made Saturday.

I hope Garcon is OK to play from here on out. Their passing game seems a bit constipated without him.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Rich Campbell on Saturday evening.

WR Pierre Garcon (right foot) will try to play tomorrow, a source says. Last 2 weeks, decision to hold him out was made Saturday.

I hope Garcon is OK to play from here on out. Their passing game seems a bit constipated without him.

i would rather he stay out one more week and get healthy. Give our young guys some more playing time and experience. But i am looking forward to getting him back. Man, that chemistry with him and rg3 looked amazing. and he probably isnt going to have the drops these young guys have had.

 

[fatness]

Rich Tandler

Reports like this one from Adam Schefter have been filtering out all night:

Though no decision will be made until pre-game, WR @PierreGarcon is more likely to play than not. If he plays, will be on a pitch count.

That means he’ll suit up and play but probably for only a few dozen snaps, if that many. I’m not one to dish out fantasy advice but I would be hesitant to have Garçon in the lineup if I had a decent alternative. It’s hard to see him turning in a big fantasy day.

If the Redskins’ defense can’t hold the Bucs under 30 points you have to wonder if they can hold anybody down. This from Bucs’ beat reporter Rick Stroud via Twitter.

USA Today reminds Bucs are last in the NFL for total offense (243.7 yards per game), third-down conversions (25.6%) and yards-per-play (4.3)

 

[fatness]

I was reading another topic and found one that didn't work out so well. Holliday may be starting in place of Dockett for the Cardinals today, and Hightower's gone (along with a draft pick). I wouldn't have guessed that when they made the trade.

Wasn't Holliday the players union rep for the Skins?

 

[fatness]

If Garcon and Hankerson both start, they're both pretty good blockers for WR's I believe. That may make running a bit easier for Morris if he goes wide today.

 

[nittanylion]

Cripes, just when we're about to get Meriweather back, he and Aldrick Robinson have a helmet to knee collision during pre-game warmups.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Curse of Snyder won't be going anywhere, anytime soon, and will keep rearing it's ugly head until he abdicates.

Needs to happen, and that right soon.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Cripes, just when we're about to get Meriweather back, he and Aldrick Robinson have a helmet to knee collision during pre-game warmups.I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Curse of Snyder won't be going anywhere, anytime soon, and will keep rearing it's ugly head until he abdicates.Needs to happen, and that right soon.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Doughty starting ahead of Gomes today.

ETA: And Hankerson starting over Morgan.