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***OFFICIAL*** 2012 Washington Redskins Season Thread (1 Viewer)

between the skins & nats, what a day for dc sport fans

the hour from 3-4 it was unlike anything I can recall...I missed not a play nor a pitch.

fortunately, the wizard exhibition against charlotte was not broadcast. but I remain hopeful there will be a rebroadcast

and can we bring back gano?

or curt knight?

 
between the skins & nats, what a day for dc sport fansthe hour from 3-4 it was unlike anything I can recall...I missed not a play nor a pitch. fortunately, the wizard exhibition against charlotte was not broadcast. but I remain hopeful there will be a rebroadcastand can we bring back gano?or curt knight?
If the Nats make the NLCS, next Sunday will be interesting. The Redskins host Minnesota at 4:25 and Game 1 of the NLCS is at 8:00. If RG3 is out Sunday, I could see a lot of no-shows for the Redskins game, or at least people leaving early to catch the Nats game.
 
Unfortunately for this defense, today was considered a good performance. In other words, this was about as good as we can expect. They appeared to go with a bend-don't-break defense today. They kept guys deep and didn't let too many receivers get deep on them. In a way, it did work. But, it's not good enough to win games against good teams. The major downfall of this type of defense is the total lack of pressure on the QB. They didn't bring many blitzes (probably out of fear that they'd get beat deep). There were a lot of 3-man and 4-man rushes, which seemed to be very easy to stop when they doubled Kerrigan.

I think much of their success today was as much about Atlanta's failures as it was Washington's successes.

 
If Griffin is out next week, I'd go with Grossman. Yeah, that's right, I said it.
I would prefer Grossman too. Cousins was put in a very tough spot yesterday with mixed results. It is not all bad for Cousins.Given that Grossman has be inactive every week, Cousins will certainly get the start if Griffin is out. But I was surprised that Cousins is the 2nd stringer over Grossman right from the start of the season.
 
Id prefer cousins. Its as good of a time as any for him to get some game experience. we aren't competing for a superbowl this season.

 
Id prefer cousins. Its as good of a time as any for him to get some game experience. we aren't competing for a superbowl this season.
Well someone needs to tell this to the majority of Skins fans because there seems to be an outrage that the NFL would not allow RG3 play against the Vikings because of a "mild concussion" which is embarrassing calling it mild to begin with. I don't understand why is it that DC fans for the most part had no problem with Strasburg having a limited innings count for the future of the team but with RG3 it is NOW NOW NOW. Even if the Skins go 3-3 next week which is possible it isn't like they are super bowl contenders. Just because the Giants did it doesn't mean every team can
 
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Id prefer cousins. Its as good of a time as any for him to get some game experience. we aren't competing for a superbowl this season.
Well someone needs to tell this to the majority of Skins fans because there seems to be an outrage that the NFL would not allow RG3 play against the Vikings because of a "mild concussion" which is embarrassing calling it mild to begin with. I don't understand why is it that DC fans for the most part had no problem with Strasburg having a limited innings count for the future of the team but with RG3 it is NOW NOW NOW. Even if the Skins go 3-3 next week which is possible it isn't like they are super bowl contenders. Just because the Giants did it doesn't mean every team can
You're dead-on correct with this one, and the mentality is damn frustrating....by the way, in case some of you don't remember, or weren't around to enjoy the Gibbs I era, the character of a proud and respectable Franchise mandates that they MARCH into the Playoffs, and take them by STORM. Backing in, or getting in by a mathematical combination of other Teams' wins or losses, culminating in a likely one-and-done scenario is, well, for losers, and if that's how it's going to be, I'd rather not be part of that flimflammery.
 
If Griffin is out next week, I'd go with Grossman. Yeah, that's right, I said it.
I would prefer Grossman too. Cousins was put in a very tough spot yesterday with mixed results. It is not all bad for Cousins.Given that Grossman has be inactive every week, Cousins will certainly get the start if Griffin is out. But I was surprised that Cousins is the 2nd stringer over Grossman right from the start of the season.
Almost missed you. Surprised or not, rest assured this is the RIGHT thing do to. Having Grossman anywhere near live action would be an indicator that the 'Powers That Be' are not taking the direction of our Team seriously, and are reverting to their old, irresponsible ways. I'm willing to believe that on some level, Grossman can contribute to the development of our young signal-callers...perhaps in the film room, or on the practice field, or in the weekly game planning and play selection, because if he's not contributing there, there's absolutely no reason for him to even be on the Roster, but having him actually HANDLE A FOOTBALL during a live game situation is absolute folly, no matter the record or the circumstances.Desist with the Rex talk, people! Please. It accomplishes nothing!

There is no, I repeat, NO, positive outcome scenario involved with Rex taking live snaps in an actual game! None!

 
'nittanylion said:
'Marvelous said:
'dgreen said:
If Griffin is out next week, I'd go with Grossman. Yeah, that's right, I said it.
I would prefer Grossman too. Cousins was put in a very tough spot yesterday with mixed results. It is not all bad for Cousins.Given that Grossman has be inactive every week, Cousins will certainly get the start if Griffin is out. But I was surprised that Cousins is the 2nd stringer over Grossman right from the start of the season.
Almost missed you. Surprised or not, rest assured this is the RIGHT thing do to. Having Grossman anywhere near live action would be an indicator that the 'Powers That Be' are not taking the direction of our Team seriously, and are reverting to their old, irresponsible ways. I'm willing to believe that on some level, Grossman can contribute to the development of our young signal-callers...perhaps in the film room, or on the practice field, or in the weekly game planning and play selection, because if he's not contributing there, there's absolutely no reason for him to even be on the Roster, but having him actually HANDLE A FOOTBALL during a live game situation is absolute folly, no matter the record or the circumstances.Desist with the Rex talk, people! Please. It accomplishes nothing!

There is no, I repeat, NO, positive outcome scenario involved with Rex taking live snaps in an actual game! None!
If Cousins is ready and just needs some game experience, then playing him is fine. I can see the value of the long term development. If Cousins is Beck-ready, then play Grossman until Cousins is more seasoned. Grossman can move the team and they can win some games with him.

 
'hammerva said:
... because of a "mild concussion" which is embarrassing calling it mild to begin with.
How so?
'hammerva said:
I don't understand why is it that DC fans for the most part had no problem with Strasburg having a limited innings count for the future of the team but with RG3 it is NOW NOW NOW.
I'm not in the DC metro media coverage area, but I seem to recall seeing/hearing/reading a lot of debate regarding "shutting Strasburg down". I thought most of the "let him play" side was from the fan base base, but maybe I'm mis-remembering.
 
I thought most of the "let him play" side was from the fan base base, but maybe I'm mis-remembering.
I would say most of it came from sports yaks who found it to be an effective pot to stir, as it pertains to ratings and getting attention. Lots of discussion among fans and friends, but the majority I know (myself included) had already come to terms with it long before the media staring going bonkers with it. It's not as if they announced the move in the middle of the season.As for RG3, rest him next week. And somebody talk the kid into one of the specialized helmets designed to help protect against concussions. As far as who plays, I agree with everything nittanylion said about Rex.
 
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I thought most of the "let him play" side was from the fan base base, but maybe I'm mis-remembering.
I would say most of it came from sports yaks who found it to be an effective pot to stir, as it pertains to ratings and getting attention. Lots of discussion among fans and friends, but the majority I know (myself included) had already come to terms with it long before the media staring going bonkers with it. It's not as if they announced the move in the middle of the season.
OK. I thought I remembered a lot of coverage, re: the debate, through the area media***. I guess it had sounded to me like a number of media members were trying to calm down the "let him play" fan base, but maybe they were trying to calm down other media members. :) ***ETA: I think that debate got a good bit of national (read: ESPN) play as well.
 
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'nittanylion said:
'Marvelous said:
'dgreen said:
If Griffin is out next week, I'd go with Grossman. Yeah, that's right, I said it.
I would prefer Grossman too. Cousins was put in a very tough spot yesterday with mixed results. It is not all bad for Cousins.Given that Grossman has be inactive every week, Cousins will certainly get the start if Griffin is out. But I was surprised that Cousins is the 2nd stringer over Grossman right from the start of the season.
Almost missed you. Surprised or not, rest assured this is the RIGHT thing do to. Having Grossman anywhere near live action would be an indicator that the 'Powers That Be' are not taking the direction of our Team seriously, and are reverting to their old, irresponsible ways. I'm willing to believe that on some level, Grossman can contribute to the development of our young signal-callers...perhaps in the film room, or on the practice field, or in the weekly game planning and play selection, because if he's not contributing there, there's absolutely no reason for him to even be on the Roster, but having him actually HANDLE A FOOTBALL during a live game situation is absolute folly, no matter the record or the circumstances.Desist with the Rex talk, people! Please. It accomplishes nothing!

There is no, I repeat, NO, positive outcome scenario involved with Rex taking live snaps in an actual game! None!
If Cousins is ready and just needs some game experience, then playing him is fine. I can see the value of the long term development. If Cousins is Beck-ready, then play Grossman until Cousins is more seasoned. Grossman can move the team and they can win some games with him.
Exactly. Cousins performance was Beck-esque yesterday. If he's better than that, then play him. But, if he's not ready, then it should be Grossman. Just because the team isn't Super Bowl ready, doesn't mean they should play lesser players.
 
'hammerva said:
... because of a "mild concussion" which is embarrassing calling it mild to begin with.
How so?
I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as a "mild concussion". Damage to the brain is damage none the less. Especially when I believe this is RG3 2nd concussion mild or not in the last year. Plus to tell the media during the game that he was "shaken up and questionable" when most people already knew about him not knowing the score or the quarter of the game at the time is a terrible idea.
 
'hammerva said:
... because of a "mild concussion" which is embarrassing calling it mild to begin with.
How so?
I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as a "mild concussion". Damage to the brain is damage none the less. Especially when I believe this is RG3 2nd concussion mild or not in the last year. Plus to tell the media during the game that he was "shaken up and questionable" when most people already knew about him not knowing the score or the quarter of the game at the time is a terrible idea.
Fair enough. I'll admit I don't really know enough about concussions to fully agree or disagree with you. Jene Bramel also says his concussion should not be considered "mild".
Robert Griffin III left yesterday’s game with a concussion. The team first said that he was “shaken up” then called the injury a “mild” concussion. While I’d prefer that teams report these injuries as head injuries and not qualify the severity of concussion to eliminate any misunderstanding and concern that they may not be taking the condition seriously, this situation is not as frustrating as the Eagles reporting that Michael Vick had dirt in his eye while clearly being evaluated for a head injury last season.

Read more about concussion grades and the league’s return-to-play algorithm in this blog post.

Still, it’s important to note that Griffin’s concussion should not be considered low grade or “mild.” Though Griffin was not knocked out on the field, the amnesia he had when questioned (did not know the score or quarter) is considered a significant neurologic symptoms – even if it quickly clears. While I’ll stop short of saying that Griffin will not be cleared for contact in time to play in Week 6, his progression through the league’s return to play algorithm will have to be very smooth if he hopes to return this week.
The previous blog post on concsussions that he refers to is here.
 
Ouch.

This is the first Skins game blacked out in my area this year (opposite a Ravens game) and Griffin gets hurt.

Looking at the stats it seems like the Skins should have been blown out by 21 at least but it was a close game. I'll let some of you folks describe it for me.

And for the record, I'd start Cousins next week unless Griffin's totally OK. Grossman will be active if Griffin's not. Cousins can get the first team reps in practice this week, and starting a game will mean he won't be forcing passes due to feeling like he's running out of time to win it. Let the young guys play.

 
From a JLC tweet:
Redskins working out at least 3 Ks on Tues (Olindo Mare, Josh Brown and Kai Forbath) and looking at LS as well.
I expect to see a tweet like this soon.
Redskins working out at least 3,000,000 Ks on Tues (every adult male human being within 100 miles of DC who can walk, except Graham Gano of course, which would mean the coaching staff admitting they might have made a mistake).
 
'fatness said:
Cousins can get the first team reps in practice this week, and starting a game will mean he won't be forcing passes due to feeling like he's running out of time to win it.
I wouldn't say he was forcing the ball. He was just bad. He stared down his primary receiver on every pass and got lucky that Atlanta blew a coverage and let Moss go straight down the middle of the field.If that was just nerves and can be fixed in practice, then so be it. But, if he's going to do that again in a game, then I have no interest in seeing him on the field.
 
'hammerva said:
Well someone needs to tell this to the majority of Skins fans because there seems to be an outrage that the NFL would not allow RG3 play against the Vikings because of a "mild concussion" which is embarrassing calling it mild to begin with.
I have heard absolutely no outrage. Not one person.
I don't understand why is it that DC fans for the most part had no problem with Strasburg having a limited innings count for the future of the team but with RG3 it is NOW NOW NOW. Even if the Skins go 3-3 next week which is possible it isn't like they are super bowl contenders. Just because the Giants did it doesn't mean every team can
Fans accepted the shutdown because 1) it was a plan we knew about early and didn't come up out of nowhere just before he was actually shutdown, 2) it was a plan that matches the one we saw work with Jordan Zimmermann, and 3) it was a plan that, most importantly, was largely put into place by doctors. I have no doubt that if doctors say RG3 should not play this week, fans will gladly see him take a week (or 2 or 3 or 4) off.Also, Strasburg is one of 5 starting pitchers. RG3 is one of one starting QBs. Griffin is much more important to the Redskins than Strasburg is to the Nats. It's not that fans are accepting losing right now with the Nats, it's more about us realizing that we can still win NOW NOW NOW without him.And none of that even gets to the fact that baseball and football are different. In baseball, we realize that the long-term health of Strasburg is important because it's much more likely to have a large window of opportunity in baseball. Players have longer careers in baseball. In football, you just never know what's going to happen next year. Sure, go ahead and be extra cautious with Griffin, but the entire roster can still be completely different in two years. Football, IMO, is always much more about NOW NOW NOW than baseball.Oh, and lastly, as much progress as the Nats have made in the community, DC fans are still much more passionate about the Redskins. Our emotions run much higher.
 
'nittanylion said:
...by the way, in case some of you don't remember, or weren't around to enjoy the Gibbs I era, the character of a proud and respectable Franchise mandates that they MARCH into the Playoffs, and take them by STORM. Backing in, or getting in by a mathematical combination of other Teams' wins or losses, culminating in a likely one-and-done scenario is, well, for losers, and if that's how it's going to be, I'd rather not be part of that flimflammery.
I'd rather back in to the playoffs and get Griffin some playoff experience rather than miss them by several games and get Cousins some regular season experience.I'm not big on getting the young guys experience until you are completely out of the race. And I'm really against the team having the mentality that they are out of the race when it's only week 5. That's the mentality I think the front office would have to have if they make a decision to play a lesser player over a better players just to get them experience or to "see what they have".Having said that, I'm confident in whoever Shanahan picks to play. I'm confident he will try to field the best team Sunday in an effort to win. If that's Cousins, I'm fine with that. If it's Grossman, I'm fine with that.
 
'fatness said:
Cousins can get the first team reps in practice this week, and starting a game will mean he won't be forcing passes due to feeling like he's running out of time to win it.
I wouldn't say he was forcing the ball. He was just bad. He stared down his primary receiver on every pass and got lucky that Atlanta blew a coverage and let Moss go straight down the middle of the field.If that was just nerves and can be fixed in practice, then so be it. But, if he's going to do that again in a game, then I have no interest in seeing him on the field.
:goodposting:
 
From a JLC tweet:
Redskins working out at least 3 Ks on Tues (Olindo Mare, Josh Brown and Kai Forbath) and looking at LS as well.
Sounds like it's Forbath.Now for my dilemma: Do I tell my 5 year old son who has been starting Cundiff every week or just let him get 0s from his K because fantasy football is serious business?
tell him, then when he resists bathing - like every 5 yo boy - tell him his new kicker is a "for bath" kinda guy, as he should be
 
For those of you wonder ing who Kai Forbath is, she had bit parts in Bones and NCIS Duluth, and did some Calgon commercials.

 
Pick Analysis: Forbath, the 2009 Lou Groza winner for the nation's best kicker, had his least efficient season as a senior, but he has a strong accurate leg and should develop into a quality place kicker at the next level. Although he does not excel on kickoffs, he has the leg strength to hit field goals of over 50 yards. His greatest strength is his accuracy, as he is nearly automatic from under 40 yards and connects on a high percentage of longer field goal attempts. Forbath will likely be a mid-to-late round pick and he has a chance to win a job as a rookie.
Why was this guy not given a shot earlier? Or was he? Nearly automatic under 40. Can kick them over 50. Sounds better than anything the skins have had in recent years.
 
Pick Analysis: Forbath, the 2009 Lou Groza winner for the nation's best kicker, had his least efficient season as a senior, but he has a strong accurate leg and should develop into a quality place kicker at the next level. Although he does not excel on kickoffs, he has the leg strength to hit field goals of over 50 yards. His greatest strength is his accuracy, as he is nearly automatic from under 40 yards and connects on a high percentage of longer field goal attempts. Forbath will likely be a mid-to-late round pick and he has a chance to win a job as a rookie.
Why was this guy not given a shot earlier? Or was he? Nearly automatic under 40. Can kick them over 50. Sounds better than anything the skins have had in recent years.
Not sure why not, he's a really solid kicker and definitely has a really strong leg.
 
The Redskins should run RG3 less so he doesn't get hurt...and so the Redskins don't win.
I still hold my breath every time he leaves the pocket. But if the D wants to let him turn the corner and go for 76 yards, well :excited:
outside of a couple short one that he had to have, he hardly got hit.why? as u guys saw, he did a great job of getting down and OB today.dude continues to impress.
 
For those of you wonder ing who Kai Forbath is, she had bit parts in Bones and NCIS Duluth, and did some Calgon commercials.
And kicks field goals.By the way I think today's game is the first time Forbath has kicked off (from what I heard or read earlier this week).Oh, and we have a real QB.Glad to see that when Griffin runs it's no longer on that stupid run/pitch option where he was getting obliterated every time whether he kept it or pitched it. And when he does run he usually gets down before getting hit.
 
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Minnesota's run defense looked pretty good (except for Griffin's runs of course). Ponder looks decent but he's better at sticking to a play than making something out of nothing. Fred Davis looked decent again today but man, too many penalties on him. Brandon Banks continues to add next-to-nothing to the team. The Skins secondary really doesn't tackle very well. Percy Harvin is extremely underrated. London Fletcher made some nice tackles today. Trent Williams did pretty good against Jared Allen. Did you see Allen's face after Griffin's run?

 
Brandon Banks continues to add next-to-nothing to the team.
Disagree. I think that's overly harsh. Maybe it won't last forever, but having Banks in the backfield on the triple option has opened up the field for Morris and Griffin. Banks has been pulling defenders out of the middle because teams, to this point, have respected his speed. That alone makes him worthwhile to have on the field at times.
 
Good blocks on Griffin's 76-yard run:

Evan Royster

Trent Williams

Josh Morgan

Lorenzo Alexander played quite a good game yesterday, also.

 
Well, the Pre-Season is officially over, except for what I certainly hope to be a 'road homecoming' 12/16 @ Cleveland. Came out of this stretch 3-3. Could be 5-1, could be 1-5...but I think this is somewhat of a benchmark victory, that's going to germinate a lot of positive vibes within the ranks. Really positive about seeing the 'skins NOT snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yesterday like we've seen so many times before, and end that embarrassing string of EIGHT STRAIGHT home losses...if that isn't a :bag: , I don't know what is. I'm going to call this a big, BIG win. Maybe the monkey isn't off the back yet, but it's not sitting firm in the saddle any longer. I think this is going to embolden our upstart team somewhat. This Team has a lot of heart, I'll certainly give them that, and I'm struggling to remember a time when I didn't feel the team could put up points on any possession. Griffin is flat out special, and it really seems like he's getting NFL smarter every week.

Next up, the Big Boys (with all due respect to the Falcons)...@ Giants, @ Steelers, Panthers, Eagles, @ Cowboys, Giants, Ravens, (@ Browns), @ Eagles, Cowboys...

Sure wish we'd won a few more in the early going, and the defense (and Garcon) wasn't racked with injuries, because besides Cleveland and pessimistically going 2-4 in Divisional Play, which would put us at 6-7, @ Steelers, Panthers and Ravens are going to determine our record, and right now it's tough for me to see our boys winning more than 1 of those...

...but I've seen enough of Griff at this point to willingly admit that with him under center, there's not a game remaining on the schedule that we don't have a chance to compete in, and maybe steal a few...and coming from me, that's saying something!

:football: HTTR!!!

 
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Brandon Banks continues to add next-to-nothing to the team.
Disagree. I think that's overly harsh. Maybe it won't last forever, but having Banks in the backfield on the triple option has opened up the field for Morris and Griffin. Banks has been pulling defenders out of the middle because teams, to this point, have respected his speed. That alone makes him worthwhile to have on the field at times.
agree with this.you can see LB's (#54 on MN on several occasions) vacate the middle allowing big ol' 46 to get into the secondary
 
Brandon Banks continues to add next-to-nothing to the team.
Disagree. I think that's overly harsh. Maybe it won't last forever, but having Banks in the backfield on the triple option has opened up the field for Morris and Griffin. Banks has been pulling defenders out of the middle because teams, to this point, have respected his speed. That alone makes him worthwhile to have on the field at times.
agree with this.you can see LB's (#54 on MN on several occasions) vacate the middle allowing big ol' 46 to get into the secondary
The same result would happen with someone other than Banks playing there. Someone who's not so loose with the ball.John Keim thinks so.

Duds

WR Brandon Banks. His presence helps in the triple option as defenses must honor his ability to potentially get the ball. It opens up lanes. However, that would be true if they put, say, Santana Moss or Aldrick Robinson back there too. Banks touched the ball four times from scrimmage and gained one yard. He also fumbled a bubble screen out of bounds late in the game. I like how the Redskins want to use Banks and that they wanted to stay aggressive. But nobody fumbles more than Banks; not sure I’d want to put the ball in his hands at that time (they were up 11 with 8:02 left, but see the next writeup to see what could have happened on that play). Banks returned one punt for one yard. In fairness to Banks, he didn’t always have a lot of room to maneuver when he had the ball and he’s easy for defenders to bring down. So it wasn’t always his fault, but the production wasn’t there.
 

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